The lyin’ and the Lam

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Read our article here how the secular news reported the recent CHC case:

Chew Eng Han on Lam’s “Stew”……

Look how CHC’s propaganda agency reports the case. Do you notice what’s missing?

John Lam: Crossover Was CHC’s Call To Fulfill The Great Commission.

‎Former City Harvest Church board member John Lam took the stand this morning as the CHC trial resumed. Explaining how the Crossover Project was part of the church’s purpose to fulfill the Great Commission, Lam told the court that in 1995, CHC launched a movement called Church Without Walls, which sent members outside the four walls of the church to reach non-believers. Church Without Walls led to the start of City Harvest Community Services Association, the church’s non-religious social arm that helps the underprivileged and meets community needs.

Church Without Walls is based on the Great Commission, which is, as stated in Matthew 28:18-20 of the Bible, to “go therefore and make disciples of all the nation’s, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you.”

Lam explained that in the early 2000s, CHC’s senior pastor, Kong Hee, also caught a vision to reach youth in Asia with the Gospel, particularly in cities like Taiwan and Hong Kong, where youth and young adults found pop culture and entertainment more relevant than the church.

The condition set in the Great Commission is to go preach the Gospel to the ends of the earth, but Lam pointed out, these young people had not heard the Good News. In order to reach these youth, the church had to be relevant; hence the birth of Crossover Project. Sun Ho was sent out to become a commercial success in the entertainment industry, ‎and in the process, influence the young and fulfill the Great Commission.

Lam took the court through the different bodies that managed Ho, beginning with City Harvest Pte Ltd, which was set up to keep the Crossover Project separate from the church. The name “City Harvest” became an issue and so management came under Attributes Pte Ltd, and after that, Xtron.

Lam explained why Xtron was not mentioned in the Jun 30, 2003 board meeting minutes as Ho’s new artiste management. Lam told the court this took place just after the “Roland Poon incident” and that he, among others in the board and the church, had been “traumatized” by it. In January 2003, CHC church member Roland Poon went to the press to accuse the church of financially supporting Ho’s music career. Lam told the court it had never occurred to him that the public and other Christians would object to such a project to reach the secular world through pop music.

The City Harvest Church trial resumed this morning with Senior Counsel Kenneth Tan presenting key points of his argument to support his client Lam’s case.

Lam is a chartered financial analyst and also a fellow certified public accountant. He was the treasurer in the CHC board and was involved in the financial and audit committee—all positions he held were as volunteer. He is a pioneer member of the church and is also a cell group leader.

Court resumed at 2.15pm.

Source: The CityNews Team, John Lam: Crossover Was CHC’s Call To Fulfill The Great Commission., CityNews, http://www.citynews.sg/2014/07/john-lam-crossover-was-chcs-call-to-fulfill-the-great-commission/, Updated on July 14, 2014 at 3:07 pm. (Accessed 17/07/2014.)

Chew Eng Han on Lam’s “Stew”……

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Singapore Law Watch have published an article on the recent developments in the CHC Case:

Ex-board member: I gave inaccurate evidence – City Harvest trial

SINGAPORE] In what was perhaps one of the more highly anticipated moments of this long-running trial, former City Harvest Church (CHC) member Chew Eng Han – representing himself for the first time since the resumption of the hearing – grilled his former fellow church-goer and board member John Lam, who was on the stand.

Among other things, Chew – who has no legal training – had Lam admit that he had given inaccurate evidence at an earlier stage of the trial.

The pair are among the six accused of having “dishonestly misappropriated” some $24 million of CHC’s Building Fund to finance Sun Ho’s music career and then “round-tripping” another $26.6 million to cover the alleged misappropriation. The others on trial are Ms Ho’s husband, senior pastor and co-founder Kong Hee, deputy senior pastor Tan Ye Peng, finance manager Sharon Tan and former finance manager and board member Serina Wee.

Chew, in a clear break from the others, quit the church in June last year; he also discharged his lawyer, Senior Counsel Michael Khoo, and is now defending himself.

When his turn came to cross-examine Lam, he challenged the latter’s assertion that it was Chew who came to Lam with the idea of setting up Xtron Productions to manage CHC’s evangelical effort, the Crossover Project. Through his line of questioning, Chew accused Lam of submitting false evidence:

“Mr Lam, I’m putting it to you right now: I didn’t approach you, I didn’t have this grand vision of a media events company. I had a full-time job – State Street Bank at the time. I was not into entertainment, nor into concerts; I wouldn’t even have had the time to think about it.

“So I put it to you that the evidence you have given to the court – that it was my idea – is false.”

Lam maintained that he had testified that Chew was the originator of the idea because it was Chew who approached him in May 2003 about having Xtron act as the artiste manager for Ms Ho. Chew argued that, since this hearing began, Lam has had sight of e-mails that showed that Chew was not the originator of the idea; the correspondence showed that others – included Kong and Tan Ye Peng – were discussing the idea before Chew came into the picture.

Chew said to Lam: “These two e-mails (exhibits), E-653, E-281, weren’t they already in your hands since the trial started? So, you would have read them before you gave your statement.”

Lam replied: “My statement was that, at the time, in May 2003, I had no knowledge that someone else was asking (Chew) Eng Han to tell me to set up Xtron . . . because it was Eng Han who approached me about being a director in Xtron.”

To which, Chew said: “Mr Lam, I’m not asking for your recollection of May 2003. I’m asking for your recollection since the trial started – you would have access to these two e-mails, and you would have gone through them. And (I’m) asking – (having) read through those e-mails, how could you come up with the statement that it was Chew Eng Han who started Xtron?”

At which point, Chief District Judge See Kee Oon stepped in: “Mr Chew, you are basically saying that Mr Lam has given evidence which is at least inaccurate. So, do you agree with this, Mr Lam?”

At this point, Lam conceded, replying: “Your Honour, yes, I agree.”

Senior Counsel N Sreenivasan, who is representing Sharon Tan, pointed out Chew’s lack of legal credentials, but this has been a shortfall to which Chew has not been adverse to admitting.

When he opened his cross-examination of Lam, he had quipped: “I would just like to make a bit of a request: when the counsel in front, when you hand out new exhibits, don’t forget there’s a little junior counsel here. I need some of the documents too.”

At another point, following an argument between the prosecution and defence counsel over a point of law, Chew said: “I don’t understand what all these counsel are saying.”

The Straits Times also reports,

Former friends clash in bid to discredit testimony

Chew grills Lam on claim that Chew had discretion to make investment plans

IT WAS a showdown yesterday between two men who used to be friends and comrades-in-arms on the City Harvest Church board.

Chew Eng Han, who oversaw its investments, mounted a feisty examination of former board member John Lam, who took the stand for a third day. Both men are among six accused on trial.

Chew, 54, was asking the questions himself as he had discharged his lawyer in May, citing a “deep personal conviction” of the need to defend himself.

He had also abruptly quit the church in June last year over deep-seated differences.

Yesterday, he was dogged in trying to discredit Lam’s testimony that Chew, the church’s former fund manager under Amac Capital Partners, had “complete and unfettered discretion” to make investment plans. These included the alleged sham transactions that are central to the present trial.

Lam has maintained that he only had a piecemeal idea of what was going on.

The six persons, including church founder Kong Hee, are accused of funnelling about $50 million of the church’s building fund monies into alleged bogus deals with events firm Xtron Productions and glass manufacturer Firna, to bankroll the secular pop music career of Kong’s wife Ho Yeow Sun.

In the one hour that Chew had before the hearing adjourned, he got Lam to admit he was wrong in his earlier testimony that it was Chew’s idea in 2003 to start Xtron to manage Ms Ho’s career.

Chew cited two e-mails, previously tendered in court as evidence, that showed the idea might have come instead from deputy senior pastor Tan Ye Peng. He said: “I didn’t approach you, I didn’t have this grand vision of a media events company. I had a full-time job, State Street Bank, at the time.”

He asked why Lam pointed the finger at him, despite having full access to the e-mails. Lam countered that he was citing his “state of mind at the contemporaneous time” in his previous answer, but later conceded that his evidence was inaccurate.

Chew also sought to justify the investments by arguing that the church had always had an appetite for risk since it began investing its surplus funds in 1998 or 1999. To prove that his financial acumen was sound, Chew recounted how he had at the time pumped $2.2 million of church funds into one single stock – Superbowl Holdings.

While Lam said there were “some concerns” from the board, Chew said he “wasn’t afraid” even when the stock plunged. The church eventually made $550,000 when it sold its stock years later.

Asked separately if it was a “dishonest act” to buy junk bonds or unrated bonds, Lam conceded it was not. Chew then cited a recent Reuters article reporting a “newly aggressive approach” by Singapore sovereign wealth fund GIC, investing in unrated Chinese bonds it would likely hold to maturity.

He said: “That’s what we intended for Xtron and Firna bonds, to hold (them) to maturity.”

Earlier, Lam stood by what he told investigators about Kong, when questioned by Kong’s lawyer Jason Chan of his opinions. He had called Kong “a person of great integrity, one who only thinks of the church and not for personal gain”.

Mr Chan later withdrew the question, after prosecutors pointed out that if evidence of Kong’s good character was taken in court, the Evidence Act allowed them to call witnesses to prove otherwise.

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Notable exchanges in court

FALSE EVIDENCE?

“I didn’t approach you, I didn’t have this grand vision of a media events company. I had a full-time job, State Street Bank, at the time. I was not into entertainment nor into concerts. I wouldn’t even have the time to think about it. So I put it to you that the evidence you have given to the court, that it was my idea, is false.”

- Chew Eng Han to John Lam, who had earlier testified that it was the former who came up with the idea to set up Xtron Productions to manage the secular pop music career of church founder Kong Hee’s wife Ho Yeow Sun as part of the Crossover Project

NOVICE COUNSEL

“To (counsel) in front, when you hand out new exhibits, don’t forget there’s a little junior counsel here.”

- Chew appealing to other defence lawyers, in a light-hearted moment yesterday, to remember that he was representing himself

IN SERVICE OF CHURCH

“Since 1987, all the demands of my life have been placed on three things: my family, my job and the church. Since I joined City Harvest, I’ve nothing but served, given my time, my demands, sometimes to the detriment of my career and my family. I’ve given my money, I’ve not taken any money from the church. If there’s any gain, I would say those are spiritual gains, they were gains of friendship. My core beliefs have always been to serve.”

- Lam’s passionate reply when asked if he would do anything intentionally that harms the church. Lam met Kong Hee, who was his cell group leader then, in 1987. Lam was a founding member when Kong founded City Harvest two years later

Source: Walter Sim, Former friends clash in bid to discredit testimony, Straits Times, http://www.straitstimes.com/premium/singapore/story/former-friends-clash-bid-discredit-testimony-20140717, Updated 17/07/2014. (Accessed 17/07/2014.)

Phil Pringle hasn’t got an empathetic bone in his body?

To C3 members who read our site, have you ever wondered why Phil Pringle never treated you as a pastor should? Ever thought why he never cared about you the way other pastors do? Well, here is Phil Pringle explaining to you why he is not fit to be a pastor.

And what if you do get sick?  Who will pay the church mortgage? Who will pay for the regular junkets overseas? Who will pay for the “vision” and the Vision dinners? Please, stay in good health - it’s your job to serve and keep him in the manner he’s become quite accustomed to.

Don’t expect Phil Pringle to serve you within the guidelines of a pastor in 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus. He’s said so himself.

Phil Pringle the “scam” artist?

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You can see Phil Pringle produce a painting in his Presence Conference 2014 promo:

Here is Jake Betlam encouraging bidders to buy (in faith) Phil Pringle’s “anointed” artwork :

Not only is Phil Pringle an artist, he likes to parade himself as a prophet to his church and to Christians in Singapore’s City Harvest Church,

“Prophet for Profit” Phil Pringle Enticing the CHC “Foolish Virgins”?

Apparently it’s important that you see Phil Pringle’s art as “anointed” if you buy it. Pringle had his henchmen say this about his art:

You Too Can BUY Phil Pringle’s ‘Godly’ Anointing!

This was the result of the auction. Who would have seen that coming?

So whoever the Singaporean person was, whoever bought the “anointed” painting from “Prophet” Phil Pringle in “faith”, well done!

You indeed bought Kong Hee his victory. Kong Hee is indeed innocent and the Singaporean government are those evil people that tried to bring him down. Well done for thwarting Satan’s plans by your obedience to buying Phil Pringle’s “anointed’ painting! What an amazing testimony! To God be the glory! The innocent Kong Hee has walked free.

Pfff! Who are we kidding?

Can this Singaporean get a refund for being scammed into buying “trash-heap” artwork? Clearly, Pringle and Betlam’s cheap gimmick gained them a $50,000 reputation, offering tainted money to needy people in the Sydney community. How well do Phil Pringle and Jake Betlam sleep at night?

A worship song summarising the “integrity” level of C3 worship?

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There has been some discussion in one of our recent articles about the emasculation of men in churches. Another important aspect that helps “feminize” men in the church culture is the contemporary mystical, mushy, romance with Jesus style of worship music sung by young man and women on the stage.

We thought this song summarised the worship music created by C3 Church.

 

What are your thoughts?

“Prophet for Profit” Phil Pringle Enticing the CHC “Foolish Virgins”?

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The scriptures teach us Jesus giving this parable (emphasis ours):

“Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’

Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the wise answered, saying, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.’ And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’ But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.

The point of Jesus’ parable of the Kingdom is very simple: Be ready! Keep the faith. “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.” Phil Pringle thinks likewise. This article will be examining how CHC fails to discern Phil Pringle’s dubious teaching. The title of the below article ‘Give us oil in our lamps’ is fortunately named, capturing the absolute foolishness of the reporter and CHC members that were duped by Phil Pringle’s teaching.

CityNews boldly reported that CHC knows Phil Pringle, “for wearing many hats, and wearing them well”, being “a talented artist and painter”, “inspiring preacher and teacher“, “a powerful prophet“, “a good friend to CHC” and for “being a conduit of God’s anointing“.

A true prophet cannot teach false doctrine. A true preacher and teacher cannot teach false teaching, especially if they are claiming they are a “conduit of God’s anointing”. That would be dangerous.

CityNews states that Phil Pringle shared a “revelatory offering message about how God requires from each giver a specific offering, and nothing else will atone for it” and then got “to the main purpose of his visit to CHC that weekend, to impart a fresh touch of God, the fresh oil of the anointing of the Holy Spirit”. CityNews further reports Phil Pringle saying, “I have been burdened for these meetings over the past week [...] The fact is, God wants to empower every one of us. I am believing God, that He will touch you, empower you, fill you with the fresh oil of the Holy Spirit!”

No, Phil. We have already been given the oil of the anointing and the faith once and for all delivered to the saints. What are you selling CHC?

“Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge. I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that he made to us—eternal life.

I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him.” 1 John 2:18-27

“Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.” Jude 1:3

John stresses that “it is the last hour”. Therefore, because we have been anointed by the Holy One “from the beginning”, we must abide in the faith that God has once for all delivered to the saints. As Jesus explained in his endtime parables that included the virgin parable,

Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

CityNews reports, “The five foolish virgins did not prepare enough oil in their lamps in case the bridegroom was delayed, and when he was delayed, they had no oil to light their lamps.” So why is Pringle encouraging people to come to him to get the oil for their lives? The parable said that the wise already had enough oil. It was the foolish that asked and then were told to go to the “dealers” to get more oil. They had to buy the oil. 

Who is the dealer in this parable? It appears that Phil Pringle is the one trying to “make merchandise” out of the foolish virgins in the name of God. It was the foolish virgins that went on the journey back and forth from the dealer. Phil Pringle even said the fresh oil he gave, “is something to take back with you, to nurture for the journey ahead”. Is he the one John and Jude were warning the wise virgins (his disciples) against? What does anyone gain from buying oil from a false anointing “conduit” to find that the doors are closed?

CityNews published this article back in November 2010 and informed their readers that Phil Pringle, “in his second weekend with CHC” operated from his new role “as advisory pastor”. Any Christian should be able to stand faithful and ready on God’s Word so when Christ returns, they will be allowed entry. So why did CHC parade their new Advisory Pastor Phil Pringle and his message? At best Phil Pringle distracted CHC members from standing steadfast on the faith once and for all delivered to the saints.

Give Us Oil In Our Lamps

The first anointing service by advisory pastor Phil Pringle ushers in a refreshing touch from God.

Give Us Oil In Our LampsCity Harvest Church’s advisory pastor, Phil Pringle, is known in CHC for wearing many hats, and wearing them well. Many know him as a talented artist and painter, a consummate and entertaining storyteller, an inspiring preacher and teacher, a powerful prophet, and a good friend to CHC. But during the services over the weekend of Nov. 6 to 7, he revealed another aspect of his ministry: being a conduit of God’s anointing.

EMPOWERED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT

Well aware that the services that weekend was going to be different from what the church was used to from Pringle, the congregation was abuzz with anticipation and expectation right from the first service of the weekend at the Jurong West Street 91 premises. Pringle opened his time at the first service with an exuberant proclamation. “You are excited! God is excited, the Holy Spirit is excited, and Jesus is excited! The only person I know who is not excited today is the devil!” Pringle declared amidst a thunderous clap offering to God, setting the stage for the things to come.

In his second weekend with CHC in his new capacity as advisory pastor, Pringle said, “This service is going to be slightly different.” After sharing a revelatory offering message about how God requires from each giver a specific offering, and nothing else will atone for it, and how the church must learn to chase away the “vultures” that gather around the offerings out of Genesis 15, Pringle wasted no time in getting to the main purpose of his visit to CHC that weekend, to impart a fresh touch of God, the fresh oil of the anointing of the Holy Spirit.

“I have been burdened for these meetings over the past week,” Pringle shared with the Sunday morning crowd. “The fact is, God wants to empower every one of us. I am believing God, that He will touch you, empower you, fill you with the fresh oil of the Holy Spirit!”

Speaking out of Matthew 25, Pringle shared a sobering message about the parable of the 10 virgins. The five foolish virgins failed in their duty to the bridegroom, in honoring him and lighting up his way, and were closed off from his house. “The Bible says that out of the 10 virgins, five were foolish, and five were wise. The five foolish virgins did not prepare enough oil in their lamps in case the bridegroom was delayed, and when he was delayed, they had no oil to light their lamps.”

Pringle declared, “The Christian life is not hard—it is impossible! We cannot do the things that Jesus has asked us to do, unless we have the oil of the Holy Spirit!” He taught that, too often, we tend to substitute information for impartation, and miss out on the wave of God’s revival. Just like how a phone works, things such as contacts and applications in the phone are worthless unless there is power, and it is plugged into a source of power. Similarly, “the things in the kingdom of God need replenishing and recharging,” Pringle declared.

Pringle then exhorted the church, in this time of trial and testing, to face the future with the power of the Holy Spirit. Just as in the Word of God to Zerubbabel spoken through Zechariah, it is not by might or by power, but by the power of the Holy Spirit, Pringle shared, that “we can speak to the mountains in our lives.”

It was time, then, for the church to receive the new oil of the Holy Spirit, to make it through difficulties in life. Drawing a parallel with the 10 virgins’ lamps and the lives of the believers, Pringle said, “We need to have enough oil to go the distance. When the oil dries up, we start burning our wicks, which is relying on our own strength. That is why people get ‘burned out’.”

He then used King David in the Bible as an example, of how with greater responsibility came the need for the constant refilling of the oil of the Holy Spirit. David had three immense steps to take before reaching a different level in his life­—going before Saul who wanted to kill him, becoming the king of Judah, then finally becoming the king of Israel. “He had to be equipped and equal to each level of challenge to overcome it, through the anointing of God.”Give Us Oil In Our Lamps

As a reminder to the church, Pringle said, “People tend to not notice, that waiting takes up as much oil as working. The five foolish virgins ran out of oil while they were waiting for the bridegroom, and did not have enough left to do their jobs.” Pointing out how the door was shut to the five foolish virgins, Pringle noted, “The oil of God in our lives keeps us ready for the opportunities that God has for us.”

PREPARING FOR GREATER OPPORTUNITIES

Finally, he shared why the other five virgins did not share the oil with their peers. “There are some things that you can’t get from someone else; you have to get it from God yourself, by reaching out and seeking God.” On that note, Pringle moved into a powerful time of ministry, which saw words of prophecy being spoken over various people, and the laying of hands on the congregation. People cleared out of their seats, and streamed to the altar area. A mighty move of God swept through the services as wave after wave of people were ministered to.

Toward the end of the service, Pringle emphasized, “This is not just an experience in the front, but this is something to take back with you, to nurture for the journey ahead.” With such an evident working and presence of God, Pringle issued a salvation and re-dedication altar call which saw people streaming to the front of the stage, giving their lives to Jesus, giving a fitting end to an awesome time of being in the presence of God.

“When Pastor Phil prayed for us, I felt a very strong presence of God, reminiscent of an Asia Conference session!” Alexander Liu, 29, a property executive, shared enthusiastically. Josiah Ang, 19, who had just returned from his National Service stint in Australia, said, “I feel that it is a fresh touch from God for me, especially after being away for over a month. We should continue to seek the filling of the Holy Spirit to keep us burning.”

Vera Li Zeng Ying, a 16-year-old student from Chong Boon Secondary School echoed Ang’s sentiments. “This is my first time experiencing an anointing service, but it was more than just a mere experience. I felt that this is a new start in my life. The moment Pastor Phil prayed for me, I felt God release all my fears and struggles. It is His Spirit that makes me believe I can overcome every obstacle!”

Source: By Jeremy Chua, CityNews, Give Us Oil In Our Lamps, http://www.citynews.sg/2010/11/give-us-oil-in-our-lamps/, 27/06/2014. (Accessed 27/06/2014.)

Phil Pringle’s Kong Job At Presence 2014 (Part 4): Kong’s “selfie” sermon.

This article will be focusing on Kong Hee’s session on Thursday night at Presence Conference 2014. Before doing that, it is important to see how Phil Pringle used his own conference to mislead and manipulate people to attend this session.

KONG JOB 1
Before Kong Hee’s scheduled session on Thursday night, Phil Pringle had Kong Hee up on stage the previous day to present misleading information over Kong Hee’s case back in Singapore. Was this a plug to encourage Christians to invite friends for Kong Hee’s free night session at his Presence 2014 Conference?

Phil Pringle’s Kong Job At Presence 2014 (Part 1)

In the above article, consider this statement as you read/listen what Phil Pringle says in his introduction to Kong Hee.

“Pastor Kong and I are friends and we go back a long way and uh- he has recently in the last three and a half years faced one of the most serious- uh- trials and tribulations that I’ve known of any minister to travel through and I know he’ll be referring to that somewhat tomorrow night.”

Phil Pringle has made it clear that he knows what Kong Hee is going to be talking about – and it’s not going to be about Jesus. It was going to be about Kong Hee’s “trials and tribulations”. And Phil Pringle was right. Kong Hee preached all about himself and his tribulations.

KONG JOB 2
On Wednesday afternoon, Phil Pringle establishing a scenario that disallowed questions. If anyone noticed what Phil Pringle was doing at Presence 2014 Conference, they would be right in questioning Pringle’s motives. With Brian Houston in attendance as a keynote speaker, was Phil Pringle using Houston’s “spiritual leadership” (and his own) to shut down any critical thought over Kong Hee’s case and his attendance at Presence Conference 2014?

Phil Pringle’s Kong Job At Presence 2014 (Part 2) Hillsong “Stands” with C3 & CHC?

KONG JOB 2
On Thursday night, Phil Pringle not only introduced Kong Hee, he did a fine job manipulating everyone to not question Kong Hee’s situation.

Pringle’s Kong Job At Presence 2014 (Part 3) All faith – no substance

With all this in mind, do you think Kong Hee is actually going to teach people about the Holy Spirit? Or do you think he is going to preach about himself and how remarkable he is?

Below are snippets of Kong Hee’s session. If there is any other information we missed that hasn’t been transcribed, please transcribe it yourself and we will post it up.

Did you know that the Holy Spirit is Kong Hee’s lawyer? Notice how Kong Hee is using identification to manipulate his audience?

Here is Kong Hee’s session.

“… but really, it’s a cool thing to be here and um, it’s a tremendous privilege and your friendship means so much to me, especially in this season of life and ministry I’m in. These days I introduce myself the way Paul would have introduced himself. I say I’m Kong Hee, a prisoner of Christ. The last four years has been filled with tremendous pressure and stress. Many ask me, say “Kong, how do you manage to cope with the-the-the pressure? How do you keep on smiling and preaching and serving and keep on going?” So I want to share with you a little secret, how I keep my sanity, how I keep my peace of mind, not have a nervous breakdown (laughs) and keep my walk with Jesus Christ intact. I have a secret helper. I have a secret agent who gives me intel, a few steps ahead of the competition, and he helps me all the time, and he is the Holy Spirit. You know the first time Jesus openly talk about the Holy Spirit was in John chapter fourteen, when the disciples were really troubled. Jesus talked about his impending arrest and his crucifixion, his burial. So the disciples say “whoa Jesus, you’re not going to leave us are you?” He encouraged them by saying in John 14 verse sixteen and he say, “don’t worry, I pray to the Father and he will give you another helper, that he may abide with you forever.” Jesus says the Holy Spirit is our Helper, he’s our Comforter.

Recently I saw the NIV, the never incorrect version, (laughs), and it says He is your advocate. Now that brings a lot of excitement to me, He’s your advocate. He’s your lawyer. And I did my research and I realized that the word ‘paracletos’ in the Greek it means ‘paracletos’, one called alongside to help you. It actually has its context in a court trial. You’re going through a court trial, your – the prosecution, the prosecutor is standing up, accusing you and you’re at a loss of words. You don’t know how to respond. So you look out among the crowd for a familiar face, for somebody with the skill, the influence to fight the case for you and you see somebody familiar. You wave your hands, you call out to that friend “please come alongside”, paracletos. The person break through the crowd, stood by you with tremendous ability and power and fight your case to win. I tell you the Holy Spirit, paracletos, He’s our helper, our comforter. I don’t what is the of the case you are going through, maybe a sickness in your body, maybe a bondage a addiction, maybe you’re stressed by a situation in your finances, in your marriage, in your ministry? But we have a friend. He is the Holy Spirit and he is coming alongside you to help you win your case no matter what it is. C’mon somebody give the Lord a big clap, hallelujah, amen.”
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The Holy Spirit apparently speaks to Kong in Matthew 22 that Kong Hee is just like an Old Testament prophet:

“By the end of 1995, I was so discouraged. I thought “that’s it”. You know I mean, man I, I uh gave up being missionary to the Philippines, come to pastor this small tiny church we are going nowhere. I was really discouraged.

The next year of February of 96 I was invited to go and Hawaii and Pastor Art[??] was kind enough to invite me to be one of the workshop speakers. I was young I have a small church I was not the main speak-preacher. On the Tuesday night I was not scheduled to preach. So I gave an excuse. I was discouraged. I’m not a service junkie. So I thought you know tonight, I’m just going to stay home in the hotel. So I went to Art[??], I said “Pastor Art[??], excuse, my excuse I’m jet-lagged, can I just rest in tonight? My wife and I just want to stay home in the hotel.  I just got nearly married, just for a few years”. So… (laughs) seven o’clock we finish our dinner, we went back to the hotel room. My wife open up the bible sat on the bed, she did her nightly quiet time, her nightly devotion as she would normally do.”

And I walked out to the balcony, that was overlooking the beautiful Waikiki beach. It was a bright, moonlit night. The moonlight was shimmering on the Pacific Ocean. But deep in my heart, there was a desperation. And I cry out, I say, “Oh God, what must I do to see revival? You promised me revival, I tried everything I knew how but I’m not having a breakthrough.”

Now we would read about the glory cloud of God, in some of those Pentecostal books and I kid you not for the next hour there was a cloud in, in the night, that came and saturated my balcony. I turned back, my wife was prostrating on the floor, crying and weeping, crying out to God and I knew that I knew I was in a God moment. The Holy Spirit spoke to me, remembering me, bringing to my remembrance something I read. So he say turn to Matthew 22, and I turned to it. It says I’m to love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my might. He say read again. I read it two times, five times, ten times, twenty times, fifty times. You gotta love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind. And I got exasperated, I said Spirit of God you are trying to tell me something. I’m not getting. He say “In one sentence Kong, what is that?” It’s so simple, it means loving God wholeheartedly – loving God with all your heart, all your soul , all your mind, with everything you got. He said read the next line. It says “love your neighbor as yourself”.

He says read again, so I read the ten times, twenty times “you shall love your neighbor as yourself”. I read it a hundred times I say in one sentence what is there and I heard myself saying “oh, that means loving people fervently”. And then I look at the next scripture. It say “On these two hang all the law and the prophets”.

He say “Kong what is the law for”? I say “the law is everything we gotta do”.

“Who are the prophets?” I say “they are the ones that give the prophetic vision”.

Right then and there a light bulb lit on the inside, and I understood one thing: everything City Harvest Church must do, every vision I must have must be built on two things, on loving God and loving souls.

The Lord began to speak to me and say, “Kong, if you go back to your city and build me a church that is without walls,” (now this is way back in the mid-nineties), He say, “If you take the anointing within the four walls of your church and go to the highways and byways and build me a church without walls, by the end of this year I will take your church to 3000 people.”

Now I tell you, for six years we hardly had any growth and now God is saying I’m going to take your church to three thousand. We’re not even a thousand. But the Holy Spirit is amazing. When He gives us a vision, he adds to it a corresponding gift of faith. I came back to my city, and I told my church the encounter, and the spiritual eruption happened in the congregation.

We have a simple mantra, we say, “We’re going to find a hurt and heal it, we’re going to find a need and meet it” and much like what brother Louie was saying, my – we’re meeting in a small cinema in a bad part of Singapore. On one side was a gang infested area, on the other side was a Muslim area. On the other end of the crossroad, was the beginning of one of the biggest red-light districts in the whole of Asia. But we had this one idea: to find a hurt and heal it, to find a need and meet it. And we went everywhere and shared the love of God and just begin to meet the needs of the people and-and share the gospel.

God kept his word. The Holy Spirit kept his word. In ten months, (and now that was February), in March all the way to December we grew from several hundred to three thousand two hundred, hallelujah. Hallelujah, amen.

But that’s not the miracle. The miracle is the next year we grew to five thousand, and then it was seven thousand, and nine thousand, and eleven thousand, thirteen thousand, fifteen thousand, twenty thousand, twenty-five thousand. By twenty-ten we had thirty-two thousand in the church for the glory of God! C’mon somebody, give the Lord a hand! Hallelujah!

Now, what was the key to the breakthrough? The Holy Spirit! I wasn’t so smart. I was jet-lagged!
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(Talking about the building of the church)

And now we have Kong Hee saying he is as innocent as the Apostle Paul. Christians know that Paul faced unfair persecution by the pagan government. This is why C3 members believe that the Singaporean government is unfairly persecuting Kong Hee. This is the third year Kong Hee has insinuated that the Singaporean government has been unfairly persecuting him as the righteous and innocent man that he is. This is simply disgraceful on Kong’s part who has deliberately kept the facts of the investigation and the court proceedings out of his presentation. Why is he getting away with this?

We’ve also noted that Kong Hee was associating his church to the under-gound Chinese church movement. Is this just another pictorial smear against the Singaporean government, insinuating an unfair government overshadowing Kong’s City Harvest Church? Let’s just see what the Singaporean government really had to say:

The Singaporean Government officially stated,

“[...] that the charges filed by CAD are against 5 individuals from the City Harvest Church (CHC) regarding the use of Church funds. They are not filed against CHC itself.  The CHC is free to continue its church services and activities.

[...] As the matter is now before the courts, we should let the law take its course and avoid speculation or making pre-judgements that may unnecessarily stir up emotions.” [Source]

We couldn’t help notice Kong once again exposing his own false theology. It’s ironic that he claimed in this session, “Don’t you worry, my father is rich” when he knows he is about to receive more cash after his sermon to pay for his own legal defense. Secondly, by stating, “I was confessing “one more month, I’m gonna be free, I’m gonna be free, hallelujah, I’m gonna be free”, he exposed that he had no prophetic faith to have this come to pass. By accidentally slipping this in to his testimony, his false theology exposed him again of being a false teacher.

“… and do you know if we dig a big hole, and-and-and it’s going to escalate the costs many times. I said I don’t care whether how hard it is, you just go and check with the law books, are we allowed to build this underground and could I build from fence to fence. He came back one week later, he said “Pastor, let me tell you there’s no law against this so I guess we can do it but it will escalate the cost three times”.

I said, “Don’t you worry, my father is rich!” (laughs, crowd cheers) Hallelujah. He thought I was talking about earthly father, my earthly dad was just a civil servant, I’m talking about heavenly father. How many of you know God in heaven in richer than anyone possible. Oh. C’mon, give the Lord a big clap! Hallelujah!

So we built underground.  So if you want to go underground your church you don’t have to go to China anymore, just go to Singapore. Four hundred feet underground. When it’s full, two thousand three hundred seats. And it served its purpose for many years, our Durong West Campus, Pastor Phil been there many times.

Go with me in Acts twenty and verse twenty-two, and see “Now I go bound in the Spirit to Jerusalem, not knowing the things that will happen to me there, except that the Holy Spirit testifies in every city, saying that chains and tribulations await me”.

In April 2012, two years back, I was feeling a sense of excitement, because the investigation, that started 2010 is coming to the end of two years. Somebody, one of the lawyers have said to me that there is a two year statute of limitation. In other words, after two years investigation, or within the two year period, if you have committed a crime they will indict you or charge you, but within the twenty-four months if they couldn’t find anything you are free to go. So that was April, it was the twenty-fourth month. I was really excited, one more month I’m gonna be free. I was confessing “one more month, I’m gonna be free, I’m gonna be free, hallelujah, I’m gonna be free”. On April the twentieth I was taking a morning flight back on Singapore Airlines back to Taiwan. I, I go there a lot. So early in the morning, I went down and I sat on my chair, and I sat on the wrong seat. In came a nice looking gentleman and he said “Excuse me sir, this not your seat, this my seat”. I look I say “oh, I’m sorry, I-I-I sat in the wrong place.”

I look at him and lo and behold! It’s an old friend of mine that I have not met in twenty years. And he’s a known prophet of God. I don’t have too many prophet friends but he’s a known prophet of God. So, I-I shifted over, I was tired, I was – it was an early morning flight, I was about to sleep. He turned to me and he said “Hey brother, the Holy Spirit just spoke to me. I have a prophetic word for you.”

So just when the plane was about to take off, he said to me, he said “You think the case is coming to an end. It is not coming to an end. In fact it will get darker. It will go on for more than a year.”

I was so upset. In my mind I’m thinking “get in behind me, you devil” (laughs). And he kept saying, he went on and he said, “you know God wants to do something great with your church. This trial is not to break you, but to make you. This trial’s to make your church purer and stronger,” and he says, “you‘ve to raise up a whole church of intercessors and pray and your deliverance will come but it will drag on.”

[Take note of what Kong Hee is revealing here at this point. Kong is telling his audience that God wants him "to raise up a whole church of intercessors and pray" so Kong can receive "deliverance". This is God Himself claiming Kong is innocent. But to get free, Kong must do what God says. No wonder Kong Hee did not mention this 'prophets' name.]

I was really upset with him, I was trying to be nice but in my mind “get thee behind me, I rebuke that, I bind that in the name of Jesus” (smiles and laughs). But it stuck in my mind. In June 2012, ah-on the twenty-fifth month, at six am in the morning I was taken away from my home, brought to court and indicted. But as it happened, in my mind, in my heart, I knew that the Holy Spirit has forewarned me. So as I walk in there’s an assurance. He is in control. God is in control and how many of you know that when he’s in control you don’t have to fear. God is in control.

The Holy Spirit is the greatest encourager.  Just one more verse – one more verse, okay? Romans fifteen and verse thirteen.  It says “Now may the God of hope fill you with all the joy and peace in believing, that you may abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.” Abound in hope by the power of the Spirit. Shortly after we were charged in court, my wife got suspended. Now that’s tough because we are both founders of the church. So if I’m out of action and she’s out of action, it will become like a leaderless church (smiles). By 2013 of March we had to make certain decisions. What we gonna do with this suspension. We had so many lawyers, every lawyer has a different opinion so we are very uncertain so I pray “Holy Spirit, please give me wisdom, please tell me what to do”. The Holy Spirit led me to make a series of decisions. A series of decisions. It can be quite scary. And gave me a word “something is gonna happen in May”. Now that was March. “Something is going to happen in May”.

On May the thirteenth I was at my lawyer’s office, on the thirtieth floor and we’re having a very intense conversation, and my phone began to buzz, my phone was buzzing. I look at the number, it was from Korea. One of my intercessors was calling me.  I tried to ignore it but the phone was buzzing. So I turned to my lawyer, I said “excuse me I gotta take this call”. I walkl outside to the lobby, I pick up the phone, I said “hey what happened?”. He say, “pastor we’ve all been praying for you and the Hoy Spirit gives us a word, and the word is this, listen carefully: the word is, “‘as of tonight, all the burden upon Sun is gonna get lifted up, all the yoke on your wife is gonna be broken and it will never affect her ever again”.” Now that was four-thirty in the afternoon. He say, “you gotta tell you wife that”.

So I call up my wife Sun, I say “this is what the intercessors are say”. And you know what Sun says?

“Okay it’s nice to hear, it’s good to know, praise God, go back to your meeting.” Put down the phone. Five-thirty, one hour later one of my lawyers came excited into the room. He say “Pastor you won’t believe it, the authorities just released your wife, she’s totally exonerated and vindicated. She’s free from all suspension”. Oh, c’mon, give the Lord a big clap! Isn’t that encouraging?

One last story. I promise I will end after this. The first eight months of my ordeal in 2010 was horrible. Horrible.

I became the attention, and mockery of the entire world. So I became severely, severely depressed. I felt publically humiliated, I felt publicly shamed. I couldn’t get out anywhere. For eight months I spe-practically locked in my own house. Technically I was under arrest. I guess like Paul, under house arrest, or some sort. I couldn’t leave the jurisdiction.

So, one day I was in a prayer meeting, and the Holy Spirit led one prophetess, who I’ve never met before, and this was in Korea. Never met her before. And she came to me and said, “Brother are you – are you serving God full time? I say, “Yes, I’m a pastor”. And she looked at me and she said, “The Holy Spirit just say this to me: You’re facing a trial. Oh-no! It is a legal trial. I see judges, authorities, making decisions about what to do with you. Oh dear! The investigation has started. OH! They’re going to throw you in jail.”

So she’s like reading my mail. So that piqued my interest.

[So Kong calls her a genuine prophetess after she successfully 'read his mail'? In her prophecy, she prophesied, "They're going to throw you in jail". Uh-oh. We have a liar. Is Kong Hee lying about this woman? Is the woman lying about Kong? Or is Phil Pringle lying about what God said to Kong Hee that "Not one night will [Kong Hee's] fair head spend behind bars”? [Source]]

She said, “Pastor. The Holy Spirit says, “Why sunglasses?” And I was thinking, “What a Word! Sunglasses!” Everybody around me in the room like- they were all public- SUNGLASSES! Nobody understood, except my wife, assistant and me.

[Lastly observe this move by Kong Hee. How do you get people to give money for your cause? Kong Hee will show you:]

Because for eight months when I was so severely depressed, that twice, I was suicidal. One time I was standing at the edge of apartment and I thought, “If I just jump all my problems will be over”. And you know we are human. Human – humans think human thoughts.”
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 That was one climactic manipulative “sermon”.  And it worked! Preying on people’s gullibility to give him their cash to pay for his legal fees? Well done, Kong Hee.

On Conversations With Dean Sweetman.

People have left C3 Church rightfully disillusioned by the false teachings they receive from Phil Pringle. We often hear these stories from hurting people in their emails to us. Sometimes we meet hurting victims and hear their stories. It is not uncommon when they start to receive good Christian doctrine that they start asking questions such as, “Is Phil Pringle really a Christian?”

Up until now we have avoided responding to this question. However, since publishing Prophet Pringle’s God-Given 2020 Vision Lie (Part 3), something really hit us hard.

OUR INFORMATIVE TIME WITH DEAN SWEETMAN

Althought it’s been hard to get clarification on definitions and doctrines from Dean Sweetman, he has helped us establish some crucial elements on C3 Church Watch. We asked him the following in an older thread:

“One foundational doctrine of Christianity is the doctrine of Total Depravity. (AKA the doctrine of original sin.) Do you believe and hold to this doctrine?” [Source: September 28, 2013 at 4:56 am]

His reponse was confusing. But he concluded with this:

“… I am an ArminiCalvinist. God provides the grace we provide the faith.” [Source: September 29, 2013 at 7:02 pm]

We asked for further information:

“What do you mean when you say, “we provide the faith”? Where does that faith come from?
What do you mean when you say, “I am a Rom 3:23 guy” if you do not adhere “to Total Depravity as Augustine/Calvin do and TULIP Calvinists do”? [Source: September 30, 2013 at 8:01 am]

He clarified,

“Further, the faith everyone must act upon to enter into relationship with God is innate in Humans because we are made in His image.” [Source: September 30, 2013 at 5:16 pm]

We offer this in rebuttal:

Jesus declares “no one can come to Me unless it is granted him by the Father.” (John 6:65) In the same passage Jesus declares: ” all that the Father gives to Me will come to Me.” (John 6:37) In both verses the phrase “come to Me” simply means “believe in Me” and so taken together Jesus is stating that no one can believe in Him unless God grants it, and all to whom God grants it will believe”. According to this passage, then, God grants faith, a faith that will infallibly arise in the heart of those He has given His Son…

 Faith is not the product of an unregenerated human nature. If a person becomes humble enough to submit to God it is because the Holy Spirit has given that person a new, humble nature … not because some men are more humble than others. It was not by chance that one person believed the gospel and not the other, nor was it because one had some innate virtue that the other lacked. It is grace and grace ALONE that makes men to differ, not the exertion of men’s wills. While God requires faith of all men He promises to give unto all those that are ordained unto eternal life his Holy Spirit (John 6:63-65), which quickens and disarms hostility so they are willing, and able to believe. (Also see 2 Chronicles 30:11-12; Phil 1:29, 2 Tim 2:25, Acts 13:48, Rom 9:15-18; John 1:13; 1 John 5:1)

 

This is important to grasp. We might assume that Dean is semi-Pelagian rather than full-blown Pelagian but “Pelagians say that faith is a human faculty”. If Dean Sweetman’s theology is in line with Phil Pringle’s theology – then it’s even more dangerous then the Pelagian heresy. If God’s faith is innate in humans, one can continually look within themselves to find god in a similar way eastern religions look within onself to find nirvana, god or oneness with god.

Since you can’t find a theology like this in the bible, we need to look at how C3 deconstructs and reconstructs the Christian faith to suit their own idolotrous notions. What is this god they worship?

THE JIGSAW MYSTICS

When dealing with false teachers, it is hard to pin them down on definitions. They often hide behind words and conveniently change their definitions to suit their agendas and purposes to mystify and manipulate their audiences. (A good example of some words they redefine to suit their selfish purposes are ‘tithe’, ‘faith’, ‘love’ or ‘grace’.)

As a result of this, it is hard to pin down a false teacher on anything substantive. While the Word of God has been made plain to man, a false teacher turns it into a jigsaw puzzle, throws the pieces into the air and grabs convenient pieces to construct something completely new and different. An innovative approach if you would.

The final puzzle they construct looks odd and much smaller. If you weren’t familiar with the bible, you would think you are getting the whole picture. But since you can see that puzzle pieces are missing you start to wonder how the false teacher managed to construct such a believable ‘theology’.

Therefore it’s been hard for us to determine how C3 has constructed their own small jigsaw-piece theology. They would have to somehow make wrong pieces fit to make it look right. We now think we are starting to understand Pringle’s theology and why the C3 Church Movement is growing so fast. Dean Sweetman’s comments have helped us connect other pieces of C3′s mystical jigsaw theology. And we think we can start to see why Dean sees himself as “a Rom 3:23 guy”.

IN THE BEGINNING…

Let’s say that Phil Pringle follows Deans theology or vice versa: all humans beings have fallen short of the glory of God. It seems all Christians would agree that this is biblical so far. Yet Dean seems to believe that within every single sinner is a God-placed faith, a fusion between God’s divine attributes and man’s sinful nature: “the faith everyone must act upon to enter into relationship with God is innate in Humans because we are made in His image”. Already there is scriptural error present. But this comment helped explain why Phil Pringle would quote and source non-Christians in his books as examples how to live this life in faith, success and influence: these sinners have all tapped into their ‘god-potential’ without God. When you read his books it becomes evident that Pringle uses ungodly men to draw on ‘godly’ principles.

According to Phil Pringle, these pagan men seem to have vision and understand the secrets and hidden principles of the universe which God made to fulfil their purposes in life. (Otherwise why hold them up as leadership examples for the Christian?) The only thing these people seem to lack is Jesus. The obvious question is, if these people have everything they want already why would they want Jesus? (They’ve apparently got the ‘god-given faith’ to live without him to achieve their purpose in life.) So what could possibly entice these men into a C3 Church?

The answer is simple: A Jesus that gets them their DESIRED results and DREAMS faster, and one that seems to guarantee them a place in the afterlife without compomising their lifestyle). This truly is offering people ‘their best life now’. Who could resist a Jesus that bends the knee to your desires and dreams? Who could resist the idea of a God that wants to unlock your dreams, purpose and potential in this life now?

Evangelism suddenly becomes very easy when you offer a god that satisfies the world’s desires. No repentance is needed to be preached. If you want this Jesus to bend the knee to your lordship, all you need to do is respond to a C3 altar call.

And sure enough, when you hear an altar call given by Pringle, repentance is absent, sin is hardly addressed and the cross becomes meaningless since the cross and the gospel is not explained. You’ve prayed the prayer now read Pringle’s books on how to get rich or die trying.

This is the point, in the C3 movement you can completely bypass the cross and simply focus on the teachings that unlock your potential “in Christ” to be seen as a Christian. The end justifies the means. You want to get rich, have a beautiful wife and a big house? Believe in Jesus and he will make this dream a reality.

Rather then look outside themselves to the work of Christ finished on Calvary, sinners in C3 are taught to look within and to tap into their faith. The divine principles, special revelations and sacred secrets that God whispers into Pringle’s ears will lead the unregenerate to unlock their dreams and desires within, to step out into their full potential. This is none other the teaching of self-actualisation. It was Eastern religions and philosophies that espoused self-actualisation. They called it nirvana or enlightenment. C3 calls it reaching your God-given purpose or God-given destiny. We liken it to  Buddhism, Zen, Taoism, Meditation.

C3 theology? It’s about reaching the highest pinnacle of being. It’s about fulfillment and one-ness with God.

You don’t need the Jesus of the scripture or his cross to tap into this life C3 offers the world. They can do it with the innate god-given faith that is already within. But once they’ve got the C3 Jesus, this Jesus will birth something in you that will continue to feed your selfish (sinful) appetites.

THE PRAYER OF FAITH

You might be thinking at this point, “Come on! Are you saying C3 worships a genie god?” It’s a good question worth exploring right now. This leads us to an older article we wrote. This articles Ronda Byrnes ‘The Secret’ with Phil Pringle’s doctrine on faith in his book ‘Faith’. When reading it, ask yourself this question, “Is this the Christian faith that has been taught for 2000 years?”

‘The Secret’ to Phil Pringle’s Doctrine of ‘Faith’

This leads us to one of our latest articles here:

Prophet Pringle’s God-Given 2020 Vision Lie (Part 3)

If you were reading through his quotes, you would have stumbled across this one:

“Visions from the prophets are given to motivate their hearers to action.

One of the most sensational things on earth is a vision from God. Vision ignites fire in our spirit. It births the ‘prayer of faith’. It is imperative we see in the Spirit so we understand the will of God.” – Phil Pringle, Moving In The Spirit, pg 59.

So it is clear that Phil Pringle sees himself as a PROPHET over his people. But apparently when God gives a vision Phil Pringle says “It births the ‘prayer of faith’”. We decided to investigate what Pringle means by ‘prayer of faith’. We found that he defines and explains what the ‘prayer of faith’ as:

“Here we are talking about the prayer of faith. This is when we know what we want, have decided that we are going to have it, then asking God for it. We ask Him to enable us in obtaining it.” – Phil Pringle, Faith, 2001, pg 46.

Phil Pringle actually explains in detail how to perform that “prayer of faith” in his book ‘Faith’. In fact, this seems to be what his book was mainly about:

“There are seven clear steps to answered prayer. Step one – desire… Step two – decide… Step three – ask… Step four – receive… Step five – speak it… Step six – see it dreams and visions… Step seven – act it.” – Phil Pringle, Faith, 2001, pg 36-106.

This means if God gave Phil Pringle the vision before 1980 to start a church in Sydney, he would have started with some idea about this “prayer of faith”. It looks like his former New Age hippy practices crept back into his life disguising itself as biblical teaching.

 But lets go back to the jigsaw analogy. Let us see what it looks like so far: 

This means C3 needs to clarify what they understand Romans 3:23 to mean. They also need to define what they mean by the word ‘sinner’. Otherwise, to understand C3′s bizarre theology, we need to start at the beginning, the very beginning, with “Did God really say that”?

C3 Asheville Scandal – Dear Barn… (Part 9)

Due to the nature of emerging scandals and the CHC court case, it has been hard to keep up to date with information from the C3 Asheville scandal. We hope to keep alerting readers to the fascinating insights to this disturbing C3 scandal, analysing its history and future direction.

Last year we had Barn Sweetman (son of C3 Church Americas Overseer Dean Sweetman) comment on our blog. He naturally defended his dad Dean Sweetman over the way he handled the C3 Asheville scandal. What we were not expecting was a C3 leader informing Barn what actually happened inside the C3 Asheville mess. The C3 leader’s response is worth reading again. Before reading their response, we thought it was important looking at what Barn Sweetman wrote first.

Barn Sweetman wrote to the “lynch mob” C3 Church Watch:

Hi everyone,

My name is Barn Sweetman. Dean and Jill Sweetman are my parents. There’s probably 3,000 things I could say to argue against some of the ridiculous things that have been said on this blog, but it honestly makes me feel nauseous just thinking about it. Seriously, I challenge you to think about this for a second. Imagine your parents, hopefully some of the greatest heroes that were in your life, being verbally abused like this. Picture it in your mind for a few seconds.

Now imagine being 8 years old, living with your family that had next to nothing and then being sent to move from Sydney, all the way to Atlanta to plant a church. Now imagine over the next 18 years watching your parents, move heaven and earth, to try and build healthy, amazing, and powerful churches that actually change lives. Let me reiterate that… that actually CHANGE lives.

Then all of a sudden, they start getting verbally attacked by a lynch mob who literally have nothing better to do than to destroy everything that your parents put blood, sweat, and tears into.

It’s just shocking. The lack of compassion and grace that gets tossed around this blog is just sickening. You’ve literally created a breeding ground of doubt, fear, and hatred with the soul purpose of tearing down the church. You are literally contributing to the destruction of the image of Christianity. Congratulations.

And the best part about it? From what I’ve seen, most of you are Christians. Most of you flippin’ believe in the power of the cross and that it actually changes lives. Yet you choose to criticize the ones that actually carry the burden and spread the gospel. If you actually understood the amount of pressure and faith it takes to build just 1 church, I guarantee you, you would be disgusted with yourself right now. Disgusted.

I’ll finish my rant on this note. I’m sure you all had some reason to point fingers at your church or C3 for something that hurt you. Grow up, forgive the people that have wronged you and move on. The church will ALWAYS be built by imperfect people and if you can’t accept that, go read John 8:7. The goal is to spread the Gospel… not destroy it.

Think about it.

Source: Barn Sweetman, C3 Asheville Scandal – The Wolf & The Ostrich (Part 8), C3 Church Watch, http://c3churchwatch.com/2013/11/29/c3-asheville-scandal-the-wolf-the-ostrich-part-8/#comment-11718, February 16, 2014 at 4:22 am.

Dave wrote,

Hello Barn Sweetman,

First off let me commend you for honoring your parents. I also want to say although I’m sure I don’t completely understand how it must feel, I’m sure it hurts to see what you feel as your parents being attacked occurring on this blog.

That being said I want to present a bit of the other side to you. I think a lot of people are venting at your Dad Dean because they are in fact hurt. Hurt by Nick Dimitris and hurt by his handling of this situation. He is in fact in a position where he is supposed to provide help and “oversight” in situations like these. I’m going to present to you a few facts about his handling of the Asheville church and you can decide for yourself if you can see why some people might be hurt at his handling of this situation.

But before I do let me tell you how I know this and why I am qualified to speak to the situation: I went to C3 Asheville, I was a leader in fact I even lead certain aspects of the church. I have been apart of a few church plants now so I do understand how hard planting a church can be. I’ve also been involved in the “Spirit Filled” church most of my life and I was apart of the C3 movement for many years. I had high hopes as did many others for a good local church in Asheville, I served and gave to try to help in seeing a community of believers established in Asheville. I like many others eventually wised up to Nick Dimitris and went to your Dad and practically begged for help and I was turned away and told if I couldn’t support leadership I needed to leave. So that is what I did….

Now for a few facts on your Dad’s handling of the situation in Asheville:

1. From the time that the scandal of Nick Dimitris’s court case broke in the news Dean never set his feet on the ground in Asheville. NOT ONCE. He sent others(more on this shortly) but never came once to observe things for himself, to ask questions, to seek out the truth, heck possibly even to make sure all the members were okay and being cared for, maybe even pray with some folks…. I would certainly think that a matter this big would require quite a bit more attention and emphasis than he gave it. We are talking about people’s lives afterall and if what turned out to be true(according to United States Justice system)was true then the implications would be devastating to a church.

2. He did however send Steve Hickson who recommended Nick be immediately placed on Hiatus from a leadership role in the church.-This was ignored as were all of Steve’s requests on how the matter be handled.

He later sent Phil Beuchler who said and I paraphrase-”Nick is not fit by the definition the Bible provides us to be a leader”-This was also ignored as well.

3. Dean was approached by several members of staff and pastors at C3 Asheville asking for Nick to be sat and for help in this situation- They were ignored and I can’t remember the exact tally but at least 7 staff left because of this. A worship leader, a young adults pastor and a youth pastor all were gone within months. There are NO original staff left.

4. Dean also saw 2 sets of boards/elders resign because after their pleading for Nick to be sat his response was to stick with Nick.

5. The church went from over 200 people to less than 40 without 1 visit from Dean.

6. He allowed a man who had plead guilty in a bank fraud investigation serve and lead a church for over 2 years as the paper wrote article after article. How was the church supposed to grow when people think the pastor is a crook?

7. He never removed Nick(a convicted felon-that’s what you are when you plead guilty) until after he was sentenced to a year in jail. Even then I think he just said okay you’re not a part of C3 anymore but left the church still running..still no visit…Where is the care for the people involved in his actions???

8. He has never to my knowledge called and asked for forgiveness to any of the people who were involved in and hurt by C3 Asheville.

Barn, when I look at your Dad’s actions in this situation I can’t see any care for the people involved. I can’t see any humility(not listening to staff and pastors some he had known for years, not listening to seasoned elders in the body, not listening to peers-Steve Hickson, Phil Beauchler, not listening to boards he helped appoint, not listening to members and founding members). I can’t see that he cared at all about this situation truthfully and that’s what hurts. These people involved are sons and fathers and mothers and daughters themselves after all and they are a part of the body of Christ. You think it’s hard to plant a church….Try giving your all into a church plant and watching it fall to pieces and the body scattered because “oversight” is sticking Nick, not just once but time and time again, fallout after fallout. That’s what about 200 people just experienced and there is a lot of pain. Some have left the faith. Do you realize that? SOME PEOPLE HAVE LEFT THE FAITH because of this situation. Still many others are completely disillusioned and don’t know what to do. This situation has been DEVASTATING. I spoke with your Dad on the phone and I expressed these concerns and I couldn’t hear that he cared at all and that hurt. I don’t say these things to hurt you or your Dad but you need to know the other side to the story and he needs to be reminded of this until he turns to God in repentance.

Source: David, C3 Asheville Scandal – The Wolf & The Ostrich (Part 8), C3 Church Watch, http://c3churchwatch.com/2013/11/29/c3-asheville-scandal-the-wolf-the-ostrich-part-8/#comment-11819, Submitted on 2014/02/19 at 5:44 am.

What was Barn Sweetman’s response?

I’m sympathetic to you @David and what you experienced. I honestly think Dad could have handled this way better. But supporting a blog that purely desires to knock out a church movement isn’t the answer. You basically took your experience and assumed that every C3 Church is handled this way by doing that. You have to understand that Nick Dimitris deceived everyone… including Dad. Bringing out your pitchfork and going after blood isn’t the answer. If the church had been healthy enough to get through it and be supportive, despite who’s in leadership for the remaining time, there would be a healthy church standing today.

David don’t think that I don’t have a clue on what’s going on. I actually went up 3 times and helped with worship during the whole situation because they were running out of worship leaders. Each time I went up and watched has the congregation dwindled. It’s a very sad situation. But imagine the strength that could have come out of that church after the trial was over (guilty or not guilty) b/c people stood by in unity.

Responding to Berean’s comment “@ David – I hope Barn is able to absorb what you had to say, and come to a place of maturity accepting that sometimes fathers are not perfect and unfortunately not qualified to pastor.If anyone should step down, or stood down, at this time it should be Dean Sweetman. He has demonstrated by his behaviour that he is not qualified biblically.” http://c3churchwatch.com/2013/11/29/c3-asheville-scandal-the-wolf-the-ostrich-part-8/#comment-11824

Barn continues:

Really @Berean? I’m not naive. I know that the whole situation could have been handled differently. But you’re saying that he should step down because you think he didn’t handle a crisis in 1 church out of the 30ish he looks after? Really??? Your lust for vengeance and justice far out ways your thirst for grace. You’ve thrown the first stone without even looking at yourself. Have a little grace. Dad is by far not perfect, but if we build churches based on your standards, there wouldn’t be many standing. Once again, building churches is really hard b/c you’re dealing with people that are imperfect and have problems. Even the pastors. See some flippin’ reason before making ridiculous claims like that.

Source: Barn Sweetman, C3 Asheville Scandal – The Wolf & The Ostrich (Part 8), C3 Church Watch, http://c3churchwatch.com/2013/11/29/c3-asheville-scandal-the-wolf-the-ostrich-part-8/#comment-11843, February 19, 2014 at 2:45 pm.

In other words it is important for Dean Sweetman and C3 to keep convicted Nick Dimitris as a C3 Pastor “(guilty or not guilty)” because it is more important Christians need to stand in unity. Is this appropriate pastoral oversight by the “C3 Church Americas Overseer” Dean Sweetman?

Name it and “frame” it…

Edit 15/06/2014: It appears that the C3 Churches in America have no problem advertising Phil Pringle on Instagram as a “Doctor”:

We are honored to have Dr Phil Pringle as one of our voices during #c3vegas2014. Dr Phil is the Founder & President of C3 Church International and the Senior Minister of C3 Church in Sydney Australia. Phil and his wife, Christine, started C3 Church in 1980 and it is now one of the fastest growing, exciting and powerful churches in Australia. An entire global movement of vibrant churches has been birthed as a result of Phil’s leadership and vision as he maintains an uncompromised passion to see cities changed by a contemporary, relevant and anointed church. Phil’s dynamic and relevant preaching has made him a much sought after speaker in both Christian and secular contexts, particularly in the areas of faith, leadership, ministry of the Holy Spirit, church building and kingdom principles of finance and giving. Don’t miss#c3vegas2014…register today!!

Source: C3americas, Instagram, http://instagram.com/p/mk5KHKjqoy/. (Accessed 15/06/2014.)

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We have been following the dodgy history of Phil Pringle’s false credentials and those he endorses that also have false credentials.

Is Doctor Phil Pringle Really a Doctor?
Congo Line Of Unqualified Ministers Endorsed By Phil Pringle
How Can Kong Hee Say “I Do Maintain My Integrity”? (Part 1)
Kevin Dysons Degree Doozie
RealMen With False Doctorates (Who Is Dale Bronner?)

If Phil Pringle is not honest with his academic credentials before the general public, in what other ways is he being fast and loose with the facts or economical with the truth?

IF HE DUCKS LIKE A QUACK…

When articles surfaced on the internet a few years ago questioning the credibility of ‘Dr’ Phil Pringle’s credentials, people started reporting that Phil Pringle was ducking questions thrown at him about the validity of his doctorate. Recently, a churchwatcher made the following comment (PP is Phil Pringle, GM is C3 Pastor Gordon Moore and KH is Kong Hee).

“In other news, I know the contention about PP’s Doctorate (I have read the C3CW article re PP, GM and KH)….I also note some people’s observations he is not using “Dr” much anymore.”

“Can anyone who goes to C3OF or is close to the action advise?”

Source: Squidaloopa, Phil Pringle’s Kong Job At Presence 2014 (Part 3) All faith – no substance, C3 Church Watch, http://c3churchwatch.com/2014/06/04/phil-pringles-kong-job-at-presence-2014-part-3-all-faith-no-substance/#comment-18340, June 8, 2014 at 4:06 am. (Accessed 09/06/2014.)

This was an insiders reply,

“Can anyone who goes to C3OF or is close to the action advise?”

“Sources inside C3OF have confirmed that Phil Pringle is no longer referred to as “Dr”, but there is nothing to report beyond that. I personally suspect that Phil has been so embarrassed by this affair that he has let it quietly drop, perhaps to the extent of avoiding discussions even with those in C3′s inner sanctum (an iron-fisted ruler cannot afford to look like a dolt, it just doesn’t do). It’s a safe bet that anyone who is on the teat at C3OF and who values their job would not dare to ever broach the subject with “Apostle” Pringle.”

“At any rate, we can reasonably infer that Phil has come to the conclusion that touting his “PhD” was damaging his credibility (which, naturally enough, reinforces the view that it was not the genuine article). If Phil’s PhD *were* real, he could, of course, get in touch with anyone who has made assertions to the contrary and ask them to withdraw those assertions, but it doesn’t appear that he has ever done so (perhaps he is just trusting in God to strike the naysayers dead – a fate which he has suggested has befallen his opponents in the past).”

“In truth, even amongst die-hard C3 fans, there probably wouldn’t be many who would entertain the thought that Phil is an intellectual by any stretch of the imagination, or that he is cut from the sort of cloth that would allow him to succeed in academic pursuits. And of course, Phil has, in the past, affected to despise those individuals who show themselves as genuinely intelligent; this would appear, in the light of his subsequent desire to be a “Doctor”, to have been nothing less than a nasty case of sour grapes. (It’s always rather sad to see a grown man who is not comfortable in his own skin). Another point worth noting is that Kong “I Maintain My Integrity” Hee provided oversight for Phil when he undertook his study – which is strange, because if I were doing a PhD myself, I wouldn’t want my efforts to be associated with someone who had been caught out plagiarizing.”

Source: Inside Scoop, Phil Pringle’s Kong Job At Presence 2014 (Part 3) All faith – no substance, C3 Church Watch, http://c3churchwatch.com/2014/06/04/phil-pringles-kong-job-at-presence-2014-part-3-all-faith-no-substance/#comment-18373, June 8, 2014 at 1:44 pm. (Accessed 09/06/2014.)

The following reaction occurred after the above comment,

“Sources inside C3OF have confirmed that Phil Pringle is no longer referred to as “Dr”, but there is nothing to report beyond that.”

“Grrrrrrrrrr!! I attended c3 college a looong time ago and we head [sic] the staff tell us that we needed to call Phil Pringle “Dr Phil Pringle” so church members and visitors could see him in a better light and so I did.”

“Now I hear this and dig this info up,http://signposts02.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/c3pringle_credentials.pdf, and find out that I was mislead at college!!!! That college worshiped Pringle as a prophet by brainwashing us to believe he predicted 911!!!! HELLO!?! Using deaths in 911 to elevate prophetic office!?! Yuck!!!! And then they shovved [sic] down our throats Pringle getting an OAM from the Prime Minster John Howard!!!!”

“So does that mean Pringle mislead the Prime Minister of Australia with his false credentials??? And his college runs leadership classes?”

Source: GrumpyxC3CollegeStudent, Phil Pringle’s Kong Job At Presence 2014 (Part 3) All faith – no substance, C3 Church Watch, http://c3churchwatch.com/2014/06/04/phil-pringles-kong-job-at-presence-2014-part-3-all-faith-no-substance/#comment-18375, June 8, 2014 at 2:28 pm. (Accessed 09/06/2014.)

 What are your thoughts on this?

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