Rosebrough exposes the Pringles as whacky false prophets

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Chris Rosebrough from Fighting for the Faith has done the hard work in examining the false prophecies of Phil Pringle against the scriptures and tests to see if these prophecies have come to pass. Some of this audio was of Kong Hee speaking how Phil Pringle prophesied over him owning SunTec Convention Center.

He also reviews Chris Pringle’s sermon ‘Winter is Over’ and exposes her as a false teacher and prophet. He points out how she lies by omission, giving the audience the impression that she and her husband were struggling financially. However, as we have previously covered on C3 Church Watch, Chris Pringle fails to leave out key details how much they bought their property for.

Patricia King Claims She Averted WWIII

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Program segments:

• Patricia King Claims She Averted WWIII • Mike Bickle’s False Prophetic Claims • Phil Pringle’s False Prophetic Claims • Sermon Review: Winter is Over by Chris Pringle of C3

Source: Chris Rosebrough, Patricia King Claims She Averted WWIII, Fighting for the Faith, http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2015/03/patricia-king-claims-she-averted-wwiii.html, Published 12/03/2015. (Accessed 28/07/2015.)

C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 7) Letter exposing Pringle covering up paedophilia & refusing to help victim

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C3 SCANDALS OVERVIEW

Phil Pringle and his cohorts continue to refuse to deal with issues that occured in the C3 Parramatta scandal 25 years ago. We are talking about two men that covered up pedophilia in the C3 Church movement.

C3 Global Scandals

The two pastors put into C3 leadership that showed lack of pastoral care, wisdom and responsibility in the C3 Penrith scandal are STILL in leadership positions today.

These pastors are Gary Dench and Ian Treacy.

C3- Gary Dench Ian Treacy

Before reading on, we encourage viewers to read what we have covered on the C3 Penrith scandal so far. In this article we wish to publish an open letter that alleges that Pringle was informed of this sexual misconduct and did nothing about it. Nor did he deal with the C3 pastors in relation to the trials.

C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 1)
C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 2) – The cover-up scandal that Pringle refused to deal with…
C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 3) Sex, Money, Power
C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 4) Pringle regards pastors “gambling” worse than pastors defending a pedophile?
C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 5) Phil Pringle’s leadership – an unresolved mess
C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 6) C3 prophetically manipulating the abused into silence

The C3 god abandoning the C3 pastors victims

Part 6 of this series of articles is an important read. It is important to understand the spiritual binding nature of C3 through their prophetic manipulation. It appeared that God wanted Mrs Ferguson to not “over analyse” her situations and just “let loose” so God could bless her.

Just like most loving and undiscerning Christians at C3, she would have done so willingly. However, when you see pastors at C3 preaching that Jesus died to make you rich and watch them live extravagant lifestyles, their is a false hope kindled in it’s members that they can rise above their difficult circumstances.

So when Kerri Ferguson was prophesied over in 1985, you can imagine what she was feeling when she lost her family, lost her home and lost her church through the collateral damage of the cowardly behaviour of C3 “pastors” Gary Dench, Ian Treacy and C3 Founder, Phil Pringle. Just like other victims caught in the C3 Prosperity and Word of Faith cult, Kerri Ferguson would have felt God had completely deserted her. However, unlike other victims, she decided to deal with the issues head on.

Background to the letter

The sexual abuse of Mrs Ferguson’s son had been disclosed one night after a church service to both C3 “Pastors” Gary Dench and Ian Treacy.  These two pastors were then primary witnesses to the crime. Not only did the Pastors fail to report the crime to the police but when they were later approached by the Police to give evidence in the case, “Pastor” Gary Dench refused to co-operate and stated that he would not give evidence on behalf of the Prosecution.  Dismayed when the Police informed her that Dench refused to cooperate with the investigation, Mrs Kerri Ferguson then decided to approach the leader of the entire church operation, the Head Pastor and founder of C3 (then operating as Christian City Church) in an attempt to have him direct his Pastors to cooperate in the police investigation.

What you are about to read in this below letter was how they first tried to ignore her and then attempt to discredit her. Their pompous and sanctimonious meanderings would have hurt her deeply. Sadly, this is the typical repeated behaviour we continually see at C3 church when members get abused either financially, sexually or emotionally or spiritually by their church leaders.

This letter from Kerri Ferguson was written to Phil Pringle in 1992. You can tell that this woman was writing in such a way to try and convict Pringle’s conscience to get involved in dealing with this unresolved issue. And just like when Pringle was mailed all the evidence exposing Tom Papania as a fraud (a fraud who Pringle allowed to speak at C3 Church anyway), Pringle did not respond to Mrs Ferguson.

You can read the original letter at the bottom of this article.

THE LETTER

Dear Mr. Pringle,

As I discussed with you and Simon McIntyre in 1988, it was then and is still, my fervent belief that the “deacons” of the Church should deal with misbehavior on the part of any of the ministers or other leaders in their number. At that time (after an incredible amount of effort to get to talk to you – I am sure Christ himself was more accessible, despite his schedule) I notified you that you were being given an option – “Either deal with the matter yourself or I would have to go outside the Church to have the matter dealt with “. The latter became necessary.

I refer to the matter of [son’s name] a subject subsequently dealt with by “60 Minutes” and showing Gary Dench and C.C.C. in a most unfavourable light. I hasten to assure you that that opinion was passed in thousands of letters received after the show. Those letters were written in the main, by “Christians” and many from Christian church people of all denominations, including several from your own church applauded our stand.

As you did not have the courtesy to get back to me or to [sons’ name] after talking with Gary Dench in 1988 and since it was necessary for me, once again, to “chase” you to get the result of your investigation into the matter, I was not altogether surprised at your ineptitude in dealing with the matter. You told me that you were powerless to control Gary Dench and that he was a “law unto himself”. It would appear Mr. Pringle, that following the “60 Minutes” story that you had a change of heart about just what power you did or did not have! It’s a sorry day when God has to use the secular media to do what his own people are too lacking in courage and principle to take care of.

It may interest you to know that [son’s name] left your office with the comment “he’ll turn out to be just like all the others” to which I urged him “to give you a chance”. [His] cynicism at so called Christian leaders was vindicated. Despite the “college-boy” smiles and the practiced looks of “concern”, the boy never heard from you again. Under the circumstances, don’t you think some show of Christ’s love would have been appropriate?

Despite admissions by Ian Treacy that he and Gary had indeed behaved as we claimed and despite Dench’s subsequent behaviour (which should have been of concern to the country’s psychiatrists, if not to you) to this day neither [son’s name] nor I have EVER received a request by you to forgive any damage caused or any attempt to reconcile what happened.

By the way, whilst Stephen Dent sat in the “accused”s box whilst on trial. Dench sat at the back of the Court reading TRAVEL BROCHURES!!! The praying was left to others!

AS the months went by in 1988 to now I carefully diarised EVERY incident. In my search for more information for a subsequent project I received some startling information. During a phone call from yourself to Gary Dench (after my visit to your office) I was referred to as “A NUTTER”. Well, Mr. Pringle that is not the opinion of doctors, journalists, counselors or MINISTERS of religion with whom I have worked on my project over the last few years.

What a gallant and courteous way for men of the church to speak about “the widows and orphans”!! May I respectfully suggest to you, Mr. Pringle, that Christ himself would have hardly been pleased at such a label being used to one of his children under the circumstances (or, indeed, any circumstances!)

Other revelations have been passed on to me regarding Mr. Dench’s activities which I, and I’m sure even you must find disturbing. To go on, however, expecting any decent stand from you at this point would, as experience has shown, be a lost cause.

I did do the correct thing in going to you first, Mr. Pringle. You left me no choice but to have the media expose that very dangerous man. Sometimes it requires a great deal of courage to stand by the underdog – “THE NUTTER”! You did not show that courage.

Mr McKeon (another of your colleagues) was first approached by me prior to 1988 with my concerns over Dench. I contacted him again much later in my attempt to have you “heroic” men put the pressure on Gary to support [my son] in court. He accused me of being on a “witch hunt” (a most unusual term, I feel for a Christian pastor!) and refused to criticize “God’s ordained”! (Good grief!!)

He was later to say some most ungentlemanly things to me on the phone and hand up (loudly) in my ear. Mind you, when my husband (a committed Christian) phoned him back to ask him to explain such behaviour he was given a hearing. Yet another example, I assume, of the esteem in which your fine C.C.C. Pastors hold women!!

It seems peculiar to me that in my conversations with several C.C.C. pastors they have claimed to have had God speak to them about issues such as real estate purchases, money ventures, parking spots etc. but none seems to have conversed with God about an issue as important as the peace of mind and trust of His children. It has caused me to wonder, Mr. Pringle, whose voice it is they have heard when God “called” them. You would have a difficult time convincing me that the Christ of the Gospels “chats” to his pastors all day about their real estate, other financial undertakings etc and becomes suddenly silent when one of their number steps out of line. No, Mr. Pringle, not the Jesus in my Bible – in fact He publicly castigated his disciples for putting anything in the way of his “little children coming to Him”.

Thankfully, I was most careful about all my dealings with you and your fellow Churchmen, not trusting any conversation (which may be referred to in the future) to their memory. I now feel vindicated in taking the particular steps I did.

It was shameful that a woman and child showed more courage than you and your colleagues. Perhaps, the weakness of some males in leadership positions in Christendom is the cause of many of the Church’s ills.

I am disappointed (yes, and angry) that my approach to you to seek your assistance was treated with such contempt.

Since you have not asked for forgiveness, I assume you do not need mine. May I most humbly suggest, that in the final judgment you and I will have to give account.

Yours faithfully

Kerri Ferguson

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C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 6) C3 prophetically manipulating the abused into silence

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C3 SCANDALS OVERVIEW

Phil Pringle and his cohorts continue to refuse to deal with issues that occured in the C3 Parramatta scandal 25 years ago. We are talking about two men that covered up pedophilia in the C3 Church movement.

C3 Global Scandals

The two pastors put into C3 leadership that showed lack of pastoral care, wisdom and responsibility in the C3 Penrith scandal are STILL in leadership positions today.

These pastors are Gary Dench and Ian Treacy.

C3- Gary Dench Ian Treacy

Before reading on, we encourage viewers to read what we have covered on the C3 Penrith scandal so far. In this article we wish to publish an open letter that alleges that Pringle was informed of this sexual misconduct and did nothing about it. Nor did he deal with the C3 pastors in relation to the trials.

C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 1)
C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 2) – The cover-up scandal that Pringle refused to deal with…
C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 3) Sex, Money, Power
C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 4) Pringle regards pastors “gambling” worse than pastors defending a pedophile?
C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 5) Phil Pringle’s leadership – an unresolved mess

BACKGROUND LEADING UP TO THE FALSE PROPHECY

It happened in 1985, during a time when abusive husband (Steve Dent ) was abusing Kerri Ferguson and her children. C3 Pastors Gary Dench and Ian Treacy were sanctioning Dent’s behaviour by telling Ferguson that she must be a “rebellious wife” or her husband would have no need to bash her.

Now keep in mind, this was the time that C3 Ps Dench and C3 Ps Treacy also had knowledge of Steve’s physical abuse.

Kerri Ferguson was exhausted looking after 5 children, working two full-time jobs, and being constantly beaten by her husband. Her husband had left her temporarily as he did for days at a time, or even weeks, while he sulked.

One morning in C3 Church, C3 Pastor Gary Dench anounced that there was to be a church Camp coming up. He subsequently approached Kerri and told her that she was to attend.  Kerri tried to plead her way out of it. However, Dench was furious and COMMANDED that she attend.  She insisted her way over the matter and finally told him that she couldn’t possibly afford it. Dench told Mrs Ferguson that the church would foot the bill for my family.

On the Saturday night the congregation gathered for a session in the camp hall.  Dench had kept telling Ferguson that she must attend, so she did.

The guest speaker was PASTOR FERGUS MCINTYRE (Christian City Church, Maroubra branch). She did not know about this guest speaker until the night Dench announced it and “Fergie” appeared on stage.

Fergus McIntyre

McIntyre began by giving a sort of “testimony” regarding the fact that he had always had trouble stringing two words together. But since he was “saved” and called by God to become a Pastor, he experienced a miracle whereby when he spoke now  and gave messages as a public speaker, he was able to speak coherently and fluently. He put it all down to God. He began to preach his message. After a few minutes he stopped in his tracks and pointed to Mrs Ferguson.

“I see this lady here!”

He identified her as he pointed out the things she was wearing so that everyone would look at her.

And claiming to get a direct revelation from God, Fergus McIntyre “prophesied” over Mrs Ferguson. We have managed to obtain audio of the prophecy and have transcribed it accordingly. Fergusson tape

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“I see this lady here!

I see – yah, with- uh- I see God coming along and-and blowing on a lot of things that you’ve been thinking. And- and uh, you’ve- I can see- the type of person- uh- and Gods honours you and God blesses you and God- God loves you.

Uh, but God’s saying to you, “I want you to hold loosely to some of the things that you’ve held tightly to, and you’re gonna see the- some of the promises of God that you’ve asked God for.  They’re going to come to pass, not according to how your mind would see it come to pass.  I see you’re a person that, uh, would analytically work things out and-and have a hold, uhhhhh, you’d just weigh things up and you’d hold things in your mind in how it might happen.

God’s saying, “I’m gonna do some things for you, but a- don’t be surprised if it comes- if he comes in the back door to do them- comes in another way. He’s like- it’s like you like to have- it’s like in your mind you’ve always been used to things happening to how your mind would think.

But God’s saying, “I’m working on a lot of the areas of your life, a lot of these things that, uh, that you’ve been concerned about”and He’s been concerned about and God’s saying, “I’m not going to come and do it the way that you want- that you would think me do it, I’m gonna come in another doorway and do it. I’ll come and- because I can’t be held by any fixed concept- I can’t be held by-” God’s bigger than all that, you see.

But God’s coming to say- to say that He’s- He’s- He’s doing things now. And He’s setting in order and He’s arranging things and He’s- and He’s healing and He’s wanting you to- and I can see Him doing a tremendous deep healing work in your own spirit.  But He wants you to let go of all the things that have hurt you, all the things, all the people that have hurt you- all the situations that have been built up against you.

God’s saying, “Let it all go and I’ll come in and I’ll start and I’ll-” He already is!

But He’ll go a lot faster because He’s having to work on you and work on the situation at the same time. But if you just let everything go and hold loosely to the issues, the Spirit of God’s saying, “I can fix all those things up – Bam! Yes. [CROWD APPLAUDS] Yes. Hold loosely! Hold loosely! Hold loosely! Hold loosely to things.” The Spirit of God would say, “Hold loosely! Don’t, don’t hang on to things too tight. Don’t hold on to things too tight. Let it go. The Spirit of God’s gonna do those things.  Hallelujah… yes…yes… hallelujah!”

Source: Fergus McIntyre.

REVIEW OF THE PROPHECY

“Let loose” of reason?

Our personal opinion on the matter was that the entire show that involved Mrs Kerri Ferguson was to prophetically manipulate her into silence, a technique we have seen at C3 Church Oxford Falls used numerous times and a technique that Singaporeans have observed Phil Pringle use on it’s members at Kong Hee’s City Harvest Church.

This continual type of false prophetic manipulation runs rampant in C3. Prophecy that tells people to not use their brains when dealing with difficult circumstances. And this is a form of mind control and behavioural control used on C3 members.

Notice how Fergus McIntyre made observed Mrs Ferguson’s ability to “analytically work things”, “weigh things up” and “hold things in [her] mind in how it might happen”. McIntyre said that both he and God wants her to “hold loosely to some of the things that you’ve held tightly to.”

Is this scriptural?

When God speaks through his prophets, he doesn’t tell his people to abandon their minds to God but to REASON with God:

Learn to do good; Seek justice, Reprove the ruthless, Defend the orphan, Plead for the widow. Come now, let us reason together, says the LORD: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.” Isaiah 1:18

Don’t forget that God also teaches that the most important command is to “love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.”

Knowing right from wrong is practice discernment, which is what God teaches Christians to do. So why would God in this prophecy tell Mrs Ferguson that she needs to “let loose” of her gift of discernment? God even said to Israel that he would send false prophets among them to point out those who were his and held to his commandments. Paul said something similar in the New Testament.

Does this sound like God or Satan?

Fergie said,

“… God’s saying, “I’m not going to come and do it the way that you want- that you would think me do it, I’m gonna come in another doorway and do it. I’ll come and- because I can’t be held by any fixed concept- I can’t be held by-” God’s bigger than all that, you see.”

God does not do things in secret. He gives his people plenty of warning and time before he accomplishes the things he wants done. In fact, in the New Testament, Jesus instituted biblical repentance and church institutional response to certain sins. (See Matthew 18:15-20.) However, the scriptures teach us that Satan’s nature is subtle (Genesis 3:1) who operates illegally outside of the legal boundaries established by God. Consider how Jesus portrays the false leaders in his day in John 10:

“”Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.” John 10:1-2 (NIV)

If men of authority did “not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but [climbed] in by some other way,” and Jesus condemned them for it, is not Fergus McIntyre turning God into a hypocrite by claiming God said, “God’s saying, “I’m gonna do some things for you, but… don’t be surprised … if he comes in the back door to do them- comes in another way?”

God is a God of order and justice. He has made his church and those in it to live orderly and just lives that glorify Him. So why is McIntyre saying that God is “not going to come and do it the way that you want” to Kerri Ferguson?

All this woman wanted was justice. Why would God suggest otherwise?

A false spirit speaking through a false prophet

Another thing that proves that this is a false prophecy is when Fergus claimed God said, “… I can’t be held by any fixed concept- I can’t be held by-“. The Hindu deity is limitless. However, Christianity and Judaeism have always known that God is limited and bound. For instance, scriptures teach us that “God cannot lie” (Titus 1:2).

God is not held by our fixed concepts. This is because he has GIVEN us His Word. He tells us who He is and how He does things when we read His Word. No wonder McIntyre trailed off speaking on behalf of God and ended with “God’s bigger than all that you see”.

This is mysticism. He is shrowding his victim in doubt through mystical means to throw her off the biblical compass. When one becomes a Christian, they will often sing they were “once blind but now I see”. McIntyre is suggesting to Ferguson that she cannot see even though she in Christ. He is causing her to not believe in God by saying this and is hoodwinking her into believing his false words.

Prophetic incostinstency…

Furthermore, McItntyre says,

“But He wants you to let go of all the things that have hurt you, all the things, all the people that have hurt you- all the situations that have been built up against you.

God’s saying, “Let it all go and I’ll come in and I’ll start and I’ll-” He already is!”

This god is idle. It cannot do anything UNLESS you do something first. When you compare this to the God of scripture, Christ acted first before we ever did. This god of McIntyre was calling Ferguson to do something first before it could do something. It was asking her to do the impossible. It would have left her in despair unless she moves first.

This ‘god’ is not loving nor gracious. If you followed it, it would keep you bound and despairing in your hurt and pain.

This god is also a liar (or otherwise McIntyre is).

Fergus said,

“But God’s coming to say- to say that He’s- He’s- He’s doing things now. And He’s setting in order and He’s arranging things and He’s- and He’s healing and He’s wanting you to- and I can see Him doing a tremendous deep healing work in your own spirit.”

So God is “doing things now” even though it couldn’t because Kerri Ferguson had to take the first step?

But wait!

McIntyre said he saw God doing a “tremendous deep healing work in [her] own spirit”. How? Aren’t God hands tied until Kerri did something?

Whenever the word “but” is used in or after a sentence, it is usually said to counter that which was said before. Go read the prophecy and observe how many times this ‘god’ cannot figure itself out. It’s somewhat amusing! Not to mention that this “God” is unable to make Fergus McIntyre speak properly says it all really.

Was this prophecy to Mrs Ferguson a set up?

The clue in the transcript that indicates to us that Fergus received knowledge from C3 Pastor Gary Dench about Mrs Ferguson’s affairs is in his ‘uhs’. Whenever he says something that articulates Mrs Ferguson well, he seems to say ‘uh’.

A prophet of God wouldn’t hesitate would he? To us that indicates he doesn’t know how to deal with this conflict of interest within himself. McIntyre appeared nervous and hesitant in his prophecy, thus all the “uh” commentary.

This statement also needs to be examined:

“But He wants you to let go of all the things that have hurt you, all the things, all the people that have hurt you- all the situations that have been built up against you.”

This could have been a vague stab in the dark but McIntyre did summarise in this one sentence on behalf of ‘God’, Fersuson’s circumstances. This is proof to us that Dench informed McIntyre of Mrs Ferguson’s circumstance. It really sounds as though it came out at this point of the “prophecy”. Of course Dench and Fergie would want God to say to Kerri “let it all go”!

What he articulated for Mrs Ferguson to let go of at this instance is the very thing that should undermine this prophecy. Did Jesus say “let it all go” when a ‘brother’ sinned against us? NO! We “let it all go” when they repent. If not, take witnesses. If that doesn’t work, take it before the church. If Jesus didn’t teach us to “let it go”, why should we believe this prophecy? Especially when it was a C3 pastor that abused his pastoral office?

So to summarise what the ‘Spirit of God’ was saying to Mrs Ferguson, “Hold loosely to things”, is that biblical? It sounds like the C3 Church “prophecy” would want her to “hold loosely to” the bible so that she doesn’t question C3 church, her pastor, Fergus McIntyre and anyone else entangled in their web of lies.

Does Kong Hee’s behaviour over his property jeopardise Pringle’s integrity?

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Recently, Kong Hee hit headlines for putting his $10 million Sentosa Cove on the market. This has raised some questions over Pringle’s words about Kong Hee’s “poverty” while going through trial.

Mrs Light n Friends reports,

Kong has $ to invest in Sentosa, no $ to invest in Sun?

Kong invested in property 295 Ocean Drive #11-19, Singapore 098534.

Excerpt from Straitstimes, “The 5,242 sq ft duplex which comes with a huge rooftop infinity pool and overlooks the upmarket One Degree 15 Marina Club, was bought for $9.33 million in 2007”. Source: http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/this-is-only-our-temporary-home-kong-hee-on-his-sentosa-cove-property

295 Ocean DriveWho bought the property in 2007 at $9.33m?

The split share of 50/50 only registered on June 15, 2011, which is after the investigation started in May 31, 2010.

50% share to Kong Hee with the home address at Leonie Hill and 50% share to Wahju Hanafi at River Valley.

You can purchase information from trusted source Singapore Land Authority (SLA) athttps://www.inlis.gov.sg.  Just provide your name and email address to SLA and pay $5.25. You will have a report.

Some points to ponder

1. Who is the first owner?

First owner bought this unit for $5,760,270 in 2006. Who?
2nd owner bought this unit for $9,330,000 in 2007.
First owner must be very happy profit of almost $3.5m.

2. Kong Hee has the money to invest in Sentosa Cove, no money to invest in his wife music career?

Kong Hee was looking for investors to invest in Sun’s Album around 2006 and 2007. The church approached Eng Han who was the fund manager at that time. Many other individuals were approached to invest and some were approached to give direct to Xtron.

3. What did Kong’s spiritual mentor, Phil Pringle say?

For those who follow C3 church watch. Remember what Phil Pringle said during C3 Presence Conference, 2011?
Source http://c3churchwatch.com/2013/04/02/prophet-pringle-plundering-the-pockets-of-people-for-kong-hees-cause/

Phil Pringle says

To actually even be here, because their passports were confiscated, they had to pay bail to get those passports back. The bail was set at one million dollars. Each. Uh- oh, for Kong Hee I’m sorry.

Then, I think it was even more for him. I can’t remember the figures. But I know that for- they had to raise seven million dollars for members of staff and others to travel. That’s just that area. If you’ve ever been to Singapore, you know how expensive this place is. To fight the case he has had to employ a legal firm. And I know what the bills are. They are nearly a million dollars each time they come. Between half a million and a million dollars each time those bills come. His church is not allowed to pay one cent of his personal cost that he is incurring in this battle. He has to find it himself

[Mrs Light comment: I don’t know how Phil Pringle came out with the $7m bail figure. Xtron directors pay their own bail, Eng Han and John Lam pay his own bail. Not sure about the rest of them. It cannot be $7million.

The church is not allowed to pay for his personal cost. This statement is true, but Phil didn’t tell the congregation there are other sources of income from the individuals!]

He’s sold his house. He has scratched together everything he can. One of the things that I’m doing is going there. I’ve made a commitment to be there once every two weeks. Normally it ends up being once every three weeks because of a variety of commitments that I’ve already got and doing things. But when I’m gone, he’s able to travel. And when I’m their, he’s able to travel and preach and find support amongst Asia and other churches.

[Mrs Light comment: Kong sold one of his temporary houses?]

Uh- I know that he was finding it hard to put some money together to get a cup of Starbucks at one stage. And uh- it’s a challenge. There’s been new legislation passed on the use of commercial spaces in Singapore since this case has come. So the religion- the restriction on his church is severe, ah, in that area [inaudible] after their purchase, go into co-ownership with ah, SunTec. And we’re in there. I will be speaking there in a couple days time. I will be on Friday to speak there happily.

[Mrs Light comment: Was Phil Pringle joking? Kong needed to put some money together to get a cup of Starbucks? See what Straitstime reported, “The wardrobe area also features two watch display cabinets filled with fine timepieces from Cartier and Bvlgari.”

Source http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/city-harvest-church-founder-kong-hee-puts-sentosa-cove-home-for-sale-for-10m

So in 2011 Kong couldn’t afford a Starbucks, but from 2013 trial onwards, he is seen with a Starbucks everyday in court.  Did he get richer?

I thought of this MediaCorp song and I would like to sing too
un… un… un… un…Unbelievable!]

Source: Kong has $ to invest in Sentosa, no $ to invest in Sun?, Mrs Light N Friends, http://mrslightnfriends.com/kong-invest-in-sentosa-cove, Published 

C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 5) Phil Pringle’s leadership – an unresolved mess

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C3 SCANDALS OVERVIEW

Phil Pringle and his cohorts continue to refuse to deal with issues that occured in the C3 Parramatta scandal 25 years ago. We are talking about two men that covered up pedophilia in the C3 Church movement.

C3 Global Scandals

The two pastors put into C3 leadership that showed lack of pastoral care, wisdom and responsibility in the C3 Penrith scandal are STILL in leadership positions today

These pastors are Gary Dench and Ian Treacy.

C3- Gary Dench Ian Treacy

Before reading on, we encourage viewers to read what we have covered on the C3 Penrith scandal so far. In this article we wish to publish an open letter that alleges that Pringle was informed of this sexual misconduct and did nothing about it. Nor did he deal with the C3 pastors in relation to the trials.

C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 1)
C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 2) – The cover-up scandal that Pringle refused to deal with…
C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 3) Sex, Money, Power
C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 4) Pringle regards pastors “gambling” worse than pastors defending a pedophile?

So our question is this: where are these men pastoring today?

More information has surfaced that Pringle knew of this situation and chose not to resolve it. From what has been disclosed to Pringle personally, Pringle did not drop C3 “Pastor” Gary Dench because of his handling of the paedophile scandal in C3 Parramatta. Nor did he drop “Pastor” Ian Treacy pastor involved in this issue.

Kerri Ferguson C3 Hillsong Brian Houston Phil Pringle

The below letter was a response to Phil Pringle slamming critics and mocking those that would go to the newspaper over Phil Pringle’s leadership. As you can see, this letter highlights Phil Pringle’s negligence over this situation.

AN OPEN LETTER TO MR. PHIL PRINGLE

I am one of those people who found it necessary to go to the media with a complaint about you when you failed to answer my concerns yourself. I am dumbfounded that you are not humbled and ashamed that any one in your congregation would feel it neccessary to seek assistance from outside the church as a result of YOUR failure to listen and assist them.

When it was discovered that TWO Pastors in one of your churches failed to attend to a plea for help by a child because he was being systematically raped by his father, (also a member of one of your churches) telling the child instead that “he must have led his father on” and “he should pray for forgiveness”, I requested that you intervene immediately on behalf of this child.

You, with all the care and concern you could muster only agreed to see me and the child AFTER we threatened to go to the media.

You refused to speak to us without your “legal adviser” being present. I didn’t see Christ setting that example in the Bible……………but then our Jesus had strength of character and faced up to hurting people without needing a “legal adviser”.

You didn’t even offer to PRAY for the child or his family, instead, packing us off out of your office as quickly as you could.

You offered NO counseling, NO assistance and NO prayer.

You refused to take action against these two Pastors telling me that you had no power to do anything. You even refused to instruct them to go to court and give evidence on behalf of the child when they refused a police request to do so. You said they “were a law unto themselves”!

However, some time later when you discovered that one of these Pastors had benefited from a lottery win by his wife, you took immediate action to stand him down. It seems, Mr. Pringle that someone winning a lottery is of greater concern to you than the rape of a child!

The other Pastor still oversees one of your church branches Mr. Pringle but then he never committed the dreadful sin of sharing a lottery win did he?

You never contacted the victim or the victim’s family after your meeting with them – not even to inquire about the child’s well-being.

Which of these actions, Mr. Pringle, mirrors what Christ would have done under the circumstances?

If the measure of the contempt in which you hold people is how many people they have on a Twitter account, you must have deep contempt for me Mr. Pringle, because I don’t even have a Twitter account.

You see, I am STILL too busy cleaning up the mess left by you and your Pastors to be bothered with such a thing.

That people can discover your deeds (they are well documented) and learn of your behaviour during these events and yet still sit in your church each week and follow your teachings is an indictment on every single one of them and their obedience to God when we are told to “test all things and hang on to that which is GOOD!”

Perhaps the desire to test all things and follow GOD’S INSTRUCTIONS might move some or any of your followers to require you to stand in church before me and answer for your behaviour in this matter, Mr. Pringle.

Or are the people in your churches just sycophantic sheep, more afraid of displeasing you than they are of pleasing our precious Lord and Saviour?

Of course Mr. Pringle, you tactic is to make fun of, or ridicule, the complainant in these matters. That has always been your way. Your Pastors referring to people as “nutters” whom they wish to discredit in order to deflect proper examination of events, is shameful and abhorrent.

But when will your “followers” begin to ask, “Is this how Christ would behave”?

I wonder if Jesus will say to me on the last Day, “Sorry, you can’t come in – you didn’t have a Twitter account!” I doubt it!

And I wonder, Mr. Pringle if Jesus will ask me why I had to go to the media about a problem in your church? I certainly hope so. I will be only too happy to tell Him!”


One thing we would like to highlight in this letter is the following:

“The other Pastor still oversees one of your church branches Mr. Pringle…”

This would be referring to Ian Treacy.

So where are Gary Dench and Ian Treacy today?

WHERE IS GARY DENCH NOW?

Gary Dench is STILL a pastor but is no longer part of the C3 movement.

On Parramatta Life Church Parramatta website, his bio reads:

Gary DenchGary Dench

Role: Pastor

Web:

Gary and Joyce are the senior leaders of Life Church International in Australia. They head the Parramatta congregation, a multi-ethnic church representing more than 30 nationalities, and believe God has a definite and specific plan for Parramatta. Gary and Joyce began their ministry in New Zealand in 1975. After 8 years of pastoring in New Zealand, they moved to Australia and pioneered Parramatta New Life Church (now called Life Church Parramatta). Gary’s dynamic, animated and biblically focused preaching inspires and empowers the congregation to live a life committed to God and challenges them to demonstrate his loving character through their own words and actions. Their dream is for the church to be a blessing to the local community; a hub where people can gather in unity and love; a haven of acceptance and forgiveness and a school to train, equip and release mission-minded people to share God’s message of hope and healing to the world.

Source: LifeChurch Parramatte, http://lifechurchparra.org.au/index.php?option=com_preachit&id=3&view=teacher&Itemid=0, (Accessed 21/12/2013-18/06/2015.)

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The issue is this: Why didn’t C3 Leadership either encourage Gary Dench to step down or resolve his past wrongs as best he can with his victims? Gary Dench says that his dream for their church is to “be a blessing to the local community; a hub where people can gather in unity and love; a haven of acceptance and forgiveness and a school to train, equip and release mission-minded people to share God’s message of hope and healing to the world”. Is this a lie?

And what did Gary Dench do between “8 years of pastoring in New Zealand” and pioneering in Australia “Parramatta New Life Church (now called Life Church Parramatta)”? As you can see in the above bio, Dench did not mention his involvement with C3 Church.

WHERE IS IAN TREACY NOW?

Believe it or not, Ian Treacy is still a C3 Pastor and “pastors” C3 Church Prospect.

The C3 Church Global website confirms that Ian Treacy is STILL a C3 pastor:

“Ian & Arlene Treacy

Church Details

Venue: Cnr Great Western Hwy & Blacktown Rd PROSPECT NSW 2148 Australia Service Times: 9.30am, 6.30pm”

Source: Prospect, http://www.c3churchglobal.com/church-detail/59, Accessed 02/03/2012.

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DomainTools tells us that Ian Treacy purchased the domain for his C3 Church Prospect on,

“Aug 4, 2012”

Source: DomainTools, c3Prospect.org.au Domain Report, http://domainreport.domaintools.com/c3prospect.org.au, (Accessed 21/12/2013.)

More information that Treacy oversees the C3 Prospect Church can be found here:

Domain Name:                c3prospect.org.au

Last Modified:                 11-Mar-2013 02:25:57 UTC

Registrar ID:                   TPP Wholesale

Registrar Name:              TPP Wholesale Pty Ltd

Status:                            ok

Registrant:                      Christian City Church Prospect

Registrant ID:                 ABN 61003881543

Eligibility Type:                Charity

Eligibility Name:              Christian City Church Prospect

Eligibility ID:                    ABN 61003881543

Registrant Contact ID:             DIT-640488

Registrant Contact Name:        Ian Treacy

Registrant Contact Email:        Visit whois.ausregistry.com.au for Web based WhoIs

Tech Contact ID:                 DIT-640490

Tech Contact Name:               Ian Treacy

Tech Contact Email:              Visit whois.ausregistry.com.au for Web based WhoIs

Name Server:                     ns1.mediatemple.net

Name Server:                     ns2.mediatemple.net

Source: DomainTools, c3Prospect.org.au Whois Record, http://whois.domaintools.com/c3prospect.org.au, (Accessed 21/12/2013.)

C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 4) Pringle regards pastors “gambling” worse than pastors defending a pedophile?

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Although this scandal is old, this issue is important to analyse due to current events and behaviours we see in C3, Hillsong and the way they are governed.

This has been an ongoing series that has covered how a paedophilia scandal continued to snowball across the two biggest churches in Sydney.

C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 1)
C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 2) – The cover-up scandal that Pringle refused to deal with…
C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 3) Sex, Money, Power

When reading the below news article, some people might think, “Well, what is CW on about? Pringle did sack Dench over the paedophilia issue didn’t he?”

No. Pringle did not.

This below news article’s first sentence was not accurate.

What makes this scandal so disgusting on Phil Pringle’s behalf was that he did not discipline Gary Dench for defending in court the pedophile and wife-beater Stephen Dent, Dench’s discipline came into play because… wait for it… Dench’s wife won the lottery.

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BACKGROUND

Phil Pringle did NOT take any action over the covering up of the paedophilia. Pringle blatantly REFUSED to take any action or censure pastors Gary Dench and Ian Treacy or instruct them to cooperate with the police.

Pringle’s response to the abused mother was that he couldn’t do anything about it stating, “Gary is a law unto himself.” Pringle never contacted the mother of the abused again.

The alleged suspension of Dench occurred over two years and three months later only when the matter of the lottery win became known in the church and co-incidentally after the affairs of this particular family became public when aired on the 60 Minutes news program.

The church did NOT take any action over this family’s matter and it was, (in our view), a cynical and manipulative exercise (even, it could be said, a lie) for Pringle and CCC to claim that Dench’s suspension was related directly to the sexual case.

Who’s best life?

That matter had all been raised with Pringle over two years previously.  The only way in which Dench’s suspension related to the sexual abuse was that it had been made public and Dench’s behaviour on national TV had brought embarrassment to the church. (See above – Parramatta Scandal (Part 2).)

According to Phil Pringle, why was gambling a greater sin than dealing with a pastor defending a pedophile and wife beater?

C3 Parramatta Scandal - Article 21-10-1990

Pastor Suspended

A SYDNEY clergyman has been suspended from church duties following a controversial court case when he admitted not telling police nor a parishioner that her son was being sexually abused by the boy’s stepfather.

The minister has also been asked to advise church officials what he intends to do with his wife’s share of an office lottery win – an even that has aroused controversy within the church and promoted a formal church policy on gambling.

A statement from Christian City Church International (CCCI) on Friday, said Pastor Gary Dench stepped down for three months to give him and his wife some time and space to clarify what actually took place and to resolve what will take place.

“Gary and Joyce Dench have stepped down from a position of responsibility within the church for a period of time so that the CCCI executive, the Westside Board and Gary and Joyce are all able together to clarify and resolve the situation.

“Their future ministry direction is also still yet to be finally resolved”.

The $50,000-a-year Castle Hill clergyman left on extended leave early this month, just after he and his wife returned from a two-week holiday overseas.

Discussed

A spokesman confirmed that Pastor Dench’s decision to step down followed discussions with church superiors and fellow directors.

He said t related to the sexual abuse case and “Gary’s position with the board and with the church”

“Not just Gary, but people in the congregation were hurt, by that,” he said, referring to the media reports of pastor Dench’s court evidence.

“The case raised questions, and there needs to be time for those to be clarified”.

Last month Pastor Dench testified in support of a former parishioner, ex-policeman  Stephen Dent, who had pleaded guilty to sexually abusing his (Dent’s) stepson. Pastor Dench admitted he had sent the boy home with his stepfather after he had run away, and that he had not told the boy’s mother, also a parishioner, of the alleged abuse.

He responded heatedly to cross-examination by Pat Barrett, and refused to reveal what Dent told him, claiming it as a secret of the confessional.

The spokesman said that the lottery issue was separate, but that it had sparked a detailed new policy.

“We’ve asked him to tell us where the money will be direct.”

A local church spokesman said that the lottery issue was part of the reason for the suspension for Pastor Dench’s duties.

Church members reported that the prize was thought to be $1 million, but the Sunday Telegraph has been unable to confirm the amount.

While the Denchs were overseas the CCI executive met and formalised a written policy opposing all forms of gambling by church officers.

The Denchs say Mrs Dench had not bought a Lotto ticket, but was given a staff payout from her office manager, who bought the ticket.

Source: Warren Owens, Pastor Suspended, Sunday Telegraph, Published 21/10/1990.

Thus sayeth the windbag

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Here is Phil Pringle supposedly prophesying on behalf of God at Presence Conference 2015. We know he reads our site. So we assume he is aware that we have exposed his false prophecies in the past.

We wonder if this is why his prophecy is so vague and absurd:

That wasn’t staged at all, was it? And that didn’t sound like an advert for Empowered 21 did it, with their focus also being on a second Pentecost, right?

This from the Empowered 21 website:

The Jerusalem 2015 Global Congress is a call to all believers from around the world to celebrate Pentecost in the land of Pentecost. The event will attract Spirit-empowered Christians from every continent to Jerusalem during the week of Pentecost to unite in faith for a fresh outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

Spirit-empowered speakers include: Heath Adamson, national youth director for the Assemblies of God; Edwin Alvarez, founder and head pastor of Comunidad Apostolica Hosanna; Sol Arledge, Chief Operating Officer for the Assemblies of God; Dennis Balcombe, reverend of Revival Chinese Ministries International; Doug Beacham, presiding bishop of the International Pentecostal Holiness Church; Reinhard Bonnke, founder of Christ for All Nations; Jürgen Bühler, executive director of the International Christian Embassy Jerusalem; Omar Cabrera, Jr., senior pastor and president of Vision de Futuro; Christine Caine, co-founder of the A21 Campaign; Morris Cerullo, founder Morris Cerullo World Evangelism; Ishmael Charles, bishop of the International Worship Center; Frank Chikane, president of Apostolic Faith Mission International; Anna Christiansen, co-founder of New Generation; Martin Clarke, founder of The Martin Clarke Group; Dave Donaldson, co-founder and director of global partnerships for Convoy of Hope; Cris Doornbos, CEO of David C Cook; Craig Dunnagan, senior vice president of music publishing and resource development for Integrity Media; Ingolf Ellssel, honorary chairman of the Pentecostal European Movement; Mark Entzminger, senior director for the Assemblies of God Children’s Ministries; Jeff Farmer, chair of the Pentecostal/ Charismatic Churches of North America; David Ferguson, author and developer of the Intimacy Therapy Model at Intimate Life Ministries; Becky Fischer, founder and director of Kids in Ministry International; John Francis, founder and pastor of Ruach City Church; Jentezen Franklin, senior pastor of Free Chapel; Claudio Freidzon, pastor of Rey de Reyes Church; Alton Garrison, assistant general superintendent for the Assemblies of God; Faytene Grasseschi, director of TheCRY Movement; Mart Green, founder of Mardel Christian and Education; Prince Guneratnam, chairman of Pentecostal World Fellowship; Tom Hess, pastor and president of Jerusalem House of Prayer for All Nations; Marilyn Hickey, founder of Marilyn Hickey Ministries; Wayne Hilsden, senior pastor of King of Kings Community Jerusalem; Al Hollingsworth, co-founder of BOSS Global Inc.; Larry Huch, founder and senior pastor of New Beginnings Church; Cindy Jacobs, co-founder of Generals International; Lawrence Khong, senior pastor of Faith Community Baptist Church; Daniel Kolenda, president and CEO of Christ for All Nations; Dennis Lindsay, president and CEO of Christ for the Nations; Ron Luce, founder of Teen Mania Ministries; Cash Luna, founder and senior pastor of Casa de Dios; Avi Mizrachi, executive director of Dugit Messianic Outreach Center; Chadwick Mohan, lead pastor of New Life Assembles of God; Tom Newman, founder and president of Impact Productions; Igor Nikitin, director of TBN Russia and TBN Shalom; Niko Njotorahardjo, senior pastor of Gereja Bethel Indonesia; Jerome Ocampo, co-founder of Jesus Revolution Now!; Opoku Onyinah, president of the Ghana Pentecostal and Charismatic Council; Phil Pringle, founder and president of C3 Church International; Ray Ramirez, creative director of the International Christian Embassy Jerusalem; Marcel Rebiai, director of The Community of Reconciliation; Gordon Robertson, CEO of the Christian Broadcasting Network; Samuel Rodríguez, Jr., president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference; Tim Ross, executive pastor of Gateway Church; Jack Sara, president of Bethlehem Bible College; Tim Smith, chief development officer of The Museum of the Bible; Gail Stathis, vice president and co-founder of EME Ministries; Robert Stearns, founder and executive director of Eagles¹ Wings; Steve Strang, CEO of Charisma Media; Greg Surratt, founding pastor of Seacoast Church; David Swarr, president and CEO of Davar Partners International; Vinson Synan, dean emeritus of the School of Divinity at Regent University; Tommy Tenney, founder of the God Chasers Network; David Wells, general superintendent of the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada; Mark Williams, general overseer of the Church of God; Billy Wilson, president and global co-chair of Empowered21 as well as president of Oral Roberts University; Scott Wilson, senior pastor of Oaks Fellowship; George O. Wood, global co-chair of Empowered21, general superintendent for the Assemblies of God and chairman of the World Assemblies of God Fellowship; Amos Yong, professor of theology and missions at Fuller Theological Seminary.

Source: EMPOWERED21 ANNOUNCES MORE THAN 100 SPIRIT-EMPOWERED LEADERS TO SPEAK AT JERUSALEM 2015 GLOBAL CONGRESS, Empowerd 21, http://empowered21.com/2015/02/empowered21-announces-more-than-100-spirit-empowered-leaders-to-speak-at-jerusalem-2015-global-congress/, Accessed 11/06/2015.

Ponzi Pastor Playing Pea-and-Thimble with Building Fund Proceeds?

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Supporters of Kong Hee, (who is on trial with five of his colleagues on various charges pertaining to the alleged siphoning off of funds from CHC in Singapore), have long been maintaining that CHC suffered no financial loss, since bonds purchased from the company “Xtron” were fully redeemed.

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This naturally raises the question:

“From where, exactly, did Xtron obtain the funds to repay CHC, since Sun Ho’s foray into the music industry was a complete flop and her album was never released?”

The answer to this conundrum has been revealed in a post on the CHC confessions Facebook page, wherein a recent post had this to say:

“One of the mysteries of the trial is the accused insistence that CHC did not suffer any loss through all the sham bonds. Now the mystery is finally solved in City News’s own report:

http://www.citynews.sg/2015/04/city-harvest-trial-arla-and-sof-investments-not-sham-maintains-tan/

“Although Xtron had used part of the ARLA to buy up the bonds, Tan explained that it was still obligated to provide the corresponding value for which CHC had paid, which in this case was the use of venue for a pre-agreed length of time. Xtron, on its part, would service this obligation with the expected revenue that was to come from the US album sales.

In essence, AMAC and Xtron were legally bound to compensate CHC for what it had paid.”

But since there is [sic] no US album sales, Xtron won’t have the revenue to service the obligation and [at] some point in time CHC will either have to forgive the obligation or force Xtron into bankruptcy – [in] either case the money is gone.

The same with the SOF with AMAC. The money is gone. CHC can sue AMAC but it is not likely that it will ever recover the money.

So it is not true that CHC has not suffered any loss – it is just that they are kicking the can down the road and sooner or later will have to pay the piper.”

Source: CHC Confessions, CHC Confessions, Facebook, https://www.facebook.com/CHCConfessions/posts/1003161419703235, 07/05/2015. (Accessed 15/05/2015.)

So what has apparently transpired is that since Xtron was unable to repay CHC, those whose scheme had been discovered – and who were desperate to clear the bonds off the books – resorted to an accounting thimblerig.

They simply shoveled more of CHC’s money into Xtron, a portion of which funds Xtron promptly returned to CHC as a repayment of the bonds, including both capital and interest due. Thus the accused have allegedly paid themselves (that is, Xtron) money with which they have subsequently reimbursed themselves (that is, CHC) to falsely convey the impression that Xtron is a profitable business being run at arms-length from CHC, rather than a shell company whose sole purpose is to facilitate the defrauding of CHC members via sham transactions. This practice is known as “round-tripping”, and it is illegal. It is over this matter, among others, that some of the accused parties are now being quizzed in the Singaporean courts. Naturally enough, attempts were made to disguise the ruse: funds that were allegedly round-tripped were referred to by the acronym “ARLA”, which stands for “Advance Rental Licence Agreement” (CW’s take on that is that “A Really Lame Artifice” would have been far more apropos).

Of course, even a novice who knows nothing at all about such things as business or accounting would be able to understand that if a business spends buckets and buckets of money but fails to earn a profit, then a loss has been incurred and there will inevitably be financial pain as a result.

The salient question for C3 adherents is “Does Phil Pringle understand that?”

This is because if he does, one could be forgiven for wondering why he has continued to mindlessly repeat the “No money was lost” mantra when it has long been clear that although Sun Ho spent CHC’s money like water to live the high life in the U.S., she never showed a return to justify the so-called “investment”.

Maybe Phil really is unquestioningly gullible, and he actually believes that no money was lost. Perhaps he would prefer to refrain from inquiring too closely or pondering too deeply, given how uncomfortable the truth would be for him – after all, he is both mentor and friend to Kong Hee, and his own credibility and reputation are very much on the line here.

But supposing we all give Phil the benefit of the doubt, what about the fact that he is supposedly a man of God who has a hot-line to the Most High? Why wouldn’t God have given Phil a “word” regarding the facts surrounding this tawdry affair? How is it that God is allowing his golden-haired apostle to back himself into the tiniest of corners without giving him a heads-up, without even dropping so much as the smallest of hints? Has Phil Pringle become like King Saul? Has he really become estranged from the One whom he purports to represent, and on whose behalf he presumes to speak?

TO PHILIP A. PRINGLE

We know that you read the articles on this site, Phil, even though you have strictly forbidden your followers from doing so.

We also know from our reliable sources inside C3 that you have recently discussed a certain unrelated issue with your “leadership”, and that you explicitly told those same “leaders” that you were unable to broach the subject with the wider membership of your organisation – that the information you gave was for the “leaders’” edification only, and was not for general consumption.

Given that precedent, we would like to know this, Phil Pringle: how much do you really know about Kong Hee’s case?

Have the “leaders” in your movement been apprised of facts to which the tithing drones in the pews have not been made privy? Surely you wouldn’t behave in a deceptive manner, would you? After all, you have been referred to as “Australia’s Pope”; indeed, you yourself have invited people to see you as an angel, and you have even, in all humility, have told people to liken you to the Old Testament prophet Elijah.

It’s all very heady stuff, and quite compelling – there’s no way a man of your caliber, an exulted personage of unimpeachable integrity, would deliberately withhold pertinent information from your followers…. is there? (Particularly since some of those followers have been been inveigled into giving money to support Kong Hee’s legal battle).

If we’ve got the wrong end of the stick, please feel free to comment here and set us straight, Phil; we await your anointed explanation with great anticipation.

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C3 Presence Conference 2015 HeresyReel: Day 1 Session 4 – Phil Pringle

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This is one of a series of articles covering the absurdity preached at Presence Conference 2015. We are broadcasting these HeresyReels to discourage you from accepting the messages from the clearly false teachers invited to speak at these C3 Presence Conferences  –  remember, just because they are “popular” does not mean they are legitimate.

In each snippet reel, we have blacked out sections to represent a new section. If you do not want to watch the whole thing, please read the sections we summarise below. This means you may want to progress to that section in the video to save time.

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At Presence Conference 2015, Stephen Furtick preached first on opening night. Watch him here:

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DISCLAIMER: These are notes. Feel free to discuss or correct any errors you may see in the sections below. Furthermore, it is up to C3 to publish these sessions if people are insisting that we are taking “teachers” out of context. We were shut down by these types of “churches” on YouTube for putting up entire sermons so that people could see what was said in context. However, if you browse the content in these Presence Conference sessions it should be evident that there is lot of bible twisting. So please see the overall picture before accusing us of taking one snippet out of context.

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SECTION 1: Comments about how cool churches lack religious images. Plugs his daughters “PK (Pastors Kids) Session”). Plugs C3 merchandise and is showcasing his own painted cross. (2:10) Mocks critics after gaslighting people into buying his merchandise. (However, it appears he may be mocking his own C3 Constitution which states “You shall not use or allow the pulpit to be used to: a) promote commercial ventures; b) promote political beliefs; c) do anything of a lewd, corrupt or heretical nature; d) to vent personal needs, injustices, angers or business ventures.“)

SECTION 2: *PRINGLE’S SHEEPSKIN 1* Pringle says that just like Paul he wants to know nothing more than Christ and Him crucified (CAHC). If he does not focus on CAHC, Pringle rightly says that other knowledge fogs and clouds the message. Let’s use this statement agains the rest of his message. Is this true? Does his message reflect the idea that Phil Pringle only wants to know Christ and Him crucified? How much does he reveal how much he knows about CAHC? is that his focus?

“And I found that churches and Christians so easily get distracted from the one thing that really, really matters. Because it is an insult to your intelligence to be that simple. To think that it could be just about one man in the history of the world… And I am hear tonight to point you to none other than the Lord Jesus Christ as being the answer.”

And in the same breath shuts the kingdom of God in people’s faces by not preaching Christ crucified.

SECTION 3: *PRINGLE’S SHEEPSKIN 2*

“I gotta tell you, the Holy Spirit would be offended if we put Him at the center. He has come for one reason and that is to testify and to glorify and to magnify Jesus Christ. “

SECTION 4: Narcigetes the historical account of Elizabeth meeting Mary.

“Something leaps inside of you when you meet a person who is divinely destined to assist you in your assignment. Thirty years later, John and Jesus are doing something that will change the world.”

(Pringle is defaulting to preaching not Christ but YOU when in fact that scripture is about John the Baptist pointing his first witness (his mother) to Jesus. And no – Jesus and John were not attempting to change the world but to save the world.)

[Continued] “And if that relationship had been destroyed or damaged on the way through who knows what could have happened.

And that is blasphemy.

SECTION 5: Pringle reveals that his authority is in man not God:

“I am the person that I am today, not because of me but because of thousands of people. All these volunteers here. The heroes of this conference are the volunteers.”

This is not only revealing, it is also a lie. Those “thousands of people” are mainly C3 college students who are forced to serve the Presence Conference because their courses make Presence Conference compulsary to serve in. And we know first hand that Pringle is ropable if he does not get the professional standard he wants from certain students at his Presence Conference.

“They are the people who are in the carpark. They are out there doing there things and they’ve got something that leapt on the inside of them and say, “I want to be part of a divine purpose”.

This is a lie again. Some students are passing to complete their ministry training hours assessment. It’s also a blasphemous suggestion to convince people that your conference is part of God’s “divine purpose”. This is a type of teaching cults teach.

Then Pringle is preaching about you and your dreams and how to keep your dreams alive. (He is not preaching Christ and Him crucified.)

Notice: The ‘river’ is now people “flowing in our lives”. It is no longer the Spirit of God.

SECTION 6:

“Miracles are about to flow like a river in here in ten minutes. I would maybe have a hundred miracles on the inside of me tonight that are ready to be released. I literally feel them on the inside of me like – jumping around kinda saying, “Get to it! Get to it!”

“And if you are looking for a mira- I know this! There are couples here tonight who cannot have children. We’re going to pray for you and within twelve months, you’ll have children. You’ll have babies.”

Pringle deliberately drops pinkles:

“I’m not good at a lot of things but I’m good at that. I don’t know how to say that but I’ve got babies all over the world.”

SECTION 7: Describes unbiblical characteristics of Adam and Eve: “… human beings of God. Magnificently standing. Glorious. Clothed with light. Intelligence beyond any thought we could have. Living in sheer glory and presence of God.

SECTION 8: *PRINGLE’S SHEEPSKIN 3* Performs his recital gimmick to amp people up to get ready to receive from God. Musicians are rehearsed to psych crowds up to Pringle’s gimmick.

SECTION 9: Gets up women to pray for them to have babies. (Accidentally knocks cross off the platform.) 

SECTION 10: Randomly calls out to a middle aged woman (someone invisible person out there in the audience) to get her “very bad right hip” healed.

SECTION 11: Pringle encourages people to, “Come with me on a journey into the miraculous”.

“You’ll never find a God that performs ‘convenient miracles’ or even dignified ones.”

SECTION 12: Prophesies on a man saying “You will make a lot of money”. But God fails to communicate logically in this prophecy (see below).

Prophecy: “I see you in a room of politicians. You’re talking to them about passing laws… And in the name of Jesus, you’ll declare what he is showing you. And you will not be afraid to mention the name of Jesus. That name opens every door. That name is the door!”

“Babies. I pray for four babies in Jesus name.”

SECTION 13: Pringle parallels the woman on stage coming to himself to the women having an issue with blood coming to Jesus. It is interesting watching how Pringle wiggles out of the comparison he just made. (Would the Holy Spirit who is supposedly in Phil Pringle honestly say something so grossly out of line? Isn’t the Spirit meant to point people to Jesus – not Phil Pringle? Why is this the Phil Pringle show?)

SECTION 14: Pringle tries to rev crowd through irrational logic.

SECTION 15: Pringle says he wants people to raise their spiritual stamina and says that he wants people to see him as their own “personal spiritual trainer here”.

“There is a river in this room right here. If we just open up right here.”

What is this foggy teaching? Is he pointing people to Jesus or this people/dreamy/miracle-centered river? Or is he pointing people to the river of Phil Pringle where you can receive hundreds of miracles from his river?

SECTION 16: A woman he blows on gets overwhelmed, upset and can’t communicate why she’s crying out of control. Pringle tries to guess what on earth is wrong with her, says flimsy words and moves on.

SECTION 17: Prays over women, raises hands over her and talks about an operation she is going to receive on Monday and then declares “maybe not”. Declares healing over her. Casts out sickness and demons: “I rebuke every spirit out of this woman’s life. Get out! Loose her!”

SECTION 18: Asks young people to come up for healing if they have “problem with both [their] ankles ankles” (“more on the right one then the left one”). He says this person may have difficulty walking or running. Pringle tells them to quickly get up on the stage or he’ll move. Could the Holy Spirit be any more insensitive?

SECTION 19: Pringle gives us insight how he knows people are incredibly desperate to receive healings from incurable healings in his meetings.

“And some people have a problem with the supernatural and miracles. I don’t know why. Because it’s probably because you haven’t been sick yet with an incurable disease. It’s probably because you’re still pretty healthy. But if you’re sick, it really matters. These people have got a problem here.”

However, the people behind him have sore ankles. Harshly pushed people down with bad ankles and they seem to fall painfully fast. One girl who stays standing Pringle says to bash her ankles together to get healed and says, “You got about a twenty per cent miracle”.

So much for Pringle’s god performing “convenient miracles”.

Presence Conference 2015 HeresyReel: Opening Session – Stephen Furtick

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This is one of a series of articles covering the absurdity preached at Presence Conference 2015. We are broadcasting these HeresyReels to discourage people from accepting the messages from the clearly false teachers invited to speak at these C3 Presence Conferences – remember just because they are “popular” does not mean they are legitimate.

In each snippet real, we have blacked out sections to represent a new section. If you do not want to watch the whole thing, please read the section notes below. This means you may want to progress to that section in the video to save you time.

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At Presence Conference 2015, Stephen Furtick preached first on opening night. Watch him here:

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DISCLAIMER: These are notes. Feel free to discuss or correct any errors you may see in the below sections. Furthermore, it is up to C3 to publish these sessions if people are insisting that we are taking “teachers” out of context. We were shut down by these types of “churches” on YouTube for putting up entire sermons so that people could see what was said in context. However, if you browse the content in these Presence Conference sessions it should be evident that there is lot of bible twisting. So please see the overall picture before accusing us of taking one snippet out of context.

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SECTION 1: Phil Pringle launches session into advertising Darlene Zschech’s latest album. Pringle alerts crowd to Darlene’s presence and says she will speak the next day on her fight with cancer. Phil plugs Chris Pringle session on Friday and says that his church helped with the recording of Darlene Zschech’s latest album.

SECTION 2: Pringle’s slip of the tongue. Says he wants Israel Houghton to sing a “party song for us” and then corrects himself. Note: A worship song is very different to a party song. Worship leaders are to lead us into worship and are not meant to sing for us. Says a lot about how Pringle sees worship in his services these days. Pringle flatterpuffs Houghton and hugs him awkwardly. “We could be bro’s.”

SECTION 3: Introduces Steven Furtick and lays out his classy accomplishments.

SECTION 4: Furtick rev’s crowd to shout how much they love Phil and Chris Pringle.

SECTION 5: Furtick gets everyone to say “We made it to the river” and hypes them up through repeating nonsensical mantras and concepts. (Notice he is capitalizing on the marketing ploy of the Holy Spirit in the Presence Conference “There is a river”.) Flatterpuffs band.

SECTION 6: Furtick flatterpuffs Pringle. Makes anacronym from PRINGLE:

  • Prophetic,
  • Revelatory,
  • Inspirations,
  • Nice,
  • Genius,
  • Life-giving,
  • Empower

“He is the man! He is the man which started 3 churches while you were having breakfast this morning.”

SECTION 7: Furtick flatterpuffs C3 Church Global and says he wants to “give honor to global network of [C3] churches.”

SECTION 8: *Important to note!* Furtick says his new favorite bible character is Jacob.(See Section 13.)

SECTION 9: Makes a questionable comment about Jacob being old and God being slack to an old man.

SECTION 10: Makes the Genesis account about you listening to Furtick.

SECTION 11: Narcigetes Isaac’s wife music. (Chewbacca baby) prayer.

SECTION 12: Narcigetes Esau to mean life will name you what you like but God doesn’t name you the way the world does.

SECTION 13: Furtick’s Diotrephes complex emerges. Creepiest moment in sermon. Furtick’s personal testimony is rather creepy. Audience laugh at one point thinking that Furtick is joking – but hush when Furtick discloses his creepy relationship with children and how they only want to hug him first to beat the other one. Reveals he thinks God wants him to have the most followers on Instagram? He says God asked him to ask everyone at Presence Conference: “What are you reaching for?”

SECTION 14: Narcigetes the bowl of soup to mean you have got to be careful what you get around with when you’re hungry.

SECTION 15: Butchers his Narcigesis: teaches that Jacob did not receive the blessing from Isaac but got it at the Jabbok “God can’t bless Jacob dressed like Esau!” But he got blessed by God through the means of Isaac’s blessing.

SECTION 16: Furtick narcigetes God wrestling Jacob and Jacob’s life again.

SECTION 17: “Touch somebody and say get grabbed.” Has some truth that God won’t let go of Jacob.

SECTION 18: Furtick narcigetes Jacob’s gifts to Esau.

SECTION 19: Furtick narcigetes Jacob’s expectations. Instead of meeting his brother he meets God to people at Presence. “Did you know you can meet God but never meet you?”

SECTION 20:. Narcigetes Gen 32:26 (NIV) about your dreams and visions. Isaac: “What’s your name?” God: “What’s your name?” I am Jacob. (Furtick’s confession: “I have multiple versions of me.”)

SECTION 21: “God loves frustrated Furtick. Jacked up. Messed up. He loves the real me. Yes he does.”

SECTION 22: “God likes me like this.” (Attempts to rev crowds again.) God gave Jacob a new name- “Aren’t you glad he’s given you a new one?”

SECTION 23: Israel means, “Triumphant with God?” Furtick attempts to narcigete the name Israel in his error.

SECTION 24: Furtick lies about what God says in this passage. God says nothing to Jacob about his potential. Furtick then attempts to narcigete his own mythology. God “came to not show who He he was but who Jacob was”.

SECTION 25: Jabbok supposedly means “emptying.” Narcigetes badly translated river name and tries to tie it into the theme of the Presence Conference, “There is a river”. Furtick proceeds to mangle Jesus’ words in John 4 and then narcigetes it to mean that people at Presence Conference need to “empty themselves” to be that river or to get in something bigger.

SECTION 26: Springboards into what God said to Moses to what God said to Furtick to go tell “Presence Conference. Thus becoming a prophet and saying absolutely nothing but hype.

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