Phil Pringle & The Arian Heresy

Phil Pringle of Christian City Church (C3 Church), Oxford Falls preached a sermon titled, ‘Prophecy’. Not only did Phil Pringle espouse pure Word of Faith heresy, he also preached the damnable Arian heresy.

Arianism, in Christianity, is a Christological concept that asserts that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who was created by God The Father at a point of time, is distinct from the Father and is therefore subordinate to the Father. Arian teachings were first attributed o Arius (c.AD 250-336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria, Egypt. The teachings of Arius and his supporters were opposed to the prevailing theological views held by proto-orthodox Christians, regarding the nature of the Trinity and the nature of Christ. The Arian concept of Christ is that the Son of God did not always exist but was created by God the Father. [Source]

It was Chris Rosebrough from Fighting for the Faith that exposed Phil Pringle’s heresies in this sermon. Before tuning in to hear the review (or reading the transcript below), we want you to consider the words of Phil Johnson from The Gracelife Pulpit:

“It’s important for Christians to have a grasp of heresies that the church has battled over the centuries, because they often return with new clothing, and the unprepared Christian is likely to fall into these old pits. Phil does an excellent job of looking at some of the major heresies that are revisiting the church today: Socinianism, Arianism, Pelagianism, Gnosticism, and Judaizing. This is an excellent 6 part series that will shore up some weak points in the church today.” [Source]


From Fighting for the Faith,

What Are You Using Your Faith For?

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PROGRAM SEGMENTS:

00:06:56 Havilah Cunnington Believing God For…
00:34:42 Billye Brim Anointed to Preach?
00:47:13 Kenneth Hagin You WERE Healed
01:08:48 Sermon Review: Prophecy by Phil Pringle

Source: Chris Rosebrough, What Are You Using Your Faith For?, Pirate Christian Radio, http://www.piratechristian.com/fightingforthefaith/2016/10/what-are-you-using-your-faith-for, Published 06/10/2016. (Accessed 13/10/2016.)


TRANSCRIPT – Sermon Review: ‘Prophecy’ – Phil Pringle: Vision casting leader, pioneer apostle, Phil Pringle presiding.
Chris Rosebrough: We’re going to hear a word of faith heresy sermon entitled “Prophecy”, this is from “Your Best Life Now” television program with Phil Pringle.
“In this quest for looking for something that could begin the year I thought like Chris and I were talking one morning and she was getting engrossed in the scriptures herself and even this morning read it out of the Message to me when we were getting ready
Chris: Read it out of the message? Yes the Message is a “herephrase”, yes “herephrase”yes heretical paraphrase. One of our new words here at Fighting for the Faith.
Pringle: In John 1 verse 1, it says in the beginning was the word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God, all things were made through him and without him nothing was made that was made.
So the first point that we need to understand here is that in the beginning of anything is a word. And not just a word but the Word.
 
Chris: Woah! Yes John 1:1 is about Jesus. It is not about the beginning of anything there’s a word. That is total straight up word of faith heresy. Yes John 1:1 is pointing us to Christ, not some principal about how our words create the beginnings of things…. in the beginning (Hebrew translation) in the beginning was the word, the word was with God The Word was God. He was in the beginning with God and all things were made through him. Without him was not anything made that was made. In him was life, the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness and the darkness does not overcome it. No this is not teaching some principal that your words create the beginning of things. He has totally taken a passage that points us to Jesus and twisted it into some kind of passage that supposedly teaches us that our words create the beginnings of something. No it does not!
 
Pringle: And that Word is not just a word – it’s actually a he. It says he was in the beginning with God. So the word is a person and every time you cast your eyes on scripture you’re looking at a person. And the person is Jesus himself. Now I don’t know about you but I find I’ve got to work to keep on keeping certain fires alive on the inside of my heart. You can get your fire put out by a wide range of things.
Chris: Yes and we just heard Kenneth Hagin talking about that, same doctrine, weird how much he has in common with Kenneth Hagin.
Pringle: And it’s important, very important whenever I come to church I think “oh Lord never never let us become a church holding services where people think that by attending a service that’s it, the fulfilment of their religious duties for like the week and whatever and that and we are just going through a liturgy and we are all dead
Chris: Yes I wouldn’t want to go through a liurgy, that would kill you yes your faith would just wither up and die, not!!
Pringle: God I do, I pray with all my heart that never actually happen. That we would not just become religious people by any sense of the imagination but that we would be here because of a passion, here because of a fire, something that God lit on the inside of me. 40 years ago and it’s not gone out. There are times when it seems to burn low in some areas and if I was to ask you right now to write down what you are on fire about, would there be anything on the piece of paper?
Would you say yes I’m on fire course I ask myself that. What am I on fire about?
 
Chris: Are you on fire enough? Is there enough fire? Notice he is turning this into law. You’re looking on the inside going “Well am I fired up enough, do I have enough fire that I could please God with? Yes this is bad law because it’s not biblical law
 
Pringle: What should I be on fire about that I’m not on fire about? That I need to stir the fire. You know, and you need reminders like like every morning I eat porridge. I don’t know, once years ago I read how that oats, the superfood, low g.i., low calorie, high energy, slow burning, keep you going until lunchtime so that you are not going to feel hungry about anything else. You know, even help you in your workout and protein – that’s why I got the body. I know you wondered why, it’s the porridge in the morning! So you say that’s definitely why I’m not going to eat it
But you know you go on holidays and you kind of drift a little, the fire for porridge burns low, it’s not easy. I mean it’s not hard to lose the fire for porridge honestly. It’s the most boring thing on the earth. And I don’t mean your spicing it up with treacle brown sugar and cream, you don’t do that but you ask for it in the hotel it’s too boring on its own. That’s how you got to eat it it’s boring. Salt maybe a bit of yoghurt?
That’s it. So, so and, and you think this is doing me good this is doing me good and you feel better because of it and you do.
Then you go on holiday and you just sneak a bit of toast because you, because you’re from New Zealand you have butter like, I have a slab of butter on my toast, my children have always asked me “are you having toast with that butter?” It’s like I have butter and I put the honey all over – it’s hot and you eat one and you’ve got the coffee and I think “oh God I’ve died and gone to heaven.”
And, and, and, and, and you just get completely seduced and you’re backslidden. I’m, I want you to get back to the word amen! I’d like you to get the fire back for the Bible.
Chris: Yes, if anyone gets a fire for the Bible, the first place they have got to leave is C3 Church in Sydney Australia.
Pringle: So if you’re feeding yourself with stuff that’s going to burn and burn on the inside of you, cleanse you, feed you, and get you going – in the beginning was the word , not just a word, but the word, the word of God. And this word was Jesus himself
Pringle: God spoke Christ into creation before anything else.
Chris: Ah, what??? God spoke Christ into creation? That’s the Arian heresy! No joke, that’s the Arian heresy. Wow that’s amazingly bad.
 
Pringle: So that all things were made through him, for him, by him and to him.
Christ is that the centre of all creation and he is the word that sustains all things. That is why all creation is so beautiful. So wonderful, so magnificent. Because when you look at it, the universal language, everybody stands in awe. At mountains that rising to the sky, oceans that roar and rivers that gurgle and animals, creatures and beasts everywhere – they are a manifestation of the beauty and glory of God. Of Jesus himself. He got into creation right at the beginning. And you will find at the beginning of every miracle, at the beginning of every great event in your life, there is a word.
Chris: No! Wrong! That’s not what this is teaching.
Pringle: Words that come from God into our hearts. If I was to say what’s the word of God for you this year, that’s my second question this morning. First one was what are you on fire about? The second one what’s your word for the year.
Have you heard it? Because God has a word for you, He has something to speak into your world.
Chris: Ah no, that’s not what John 1 is teaching at all! Nowhere in scripture does it teach this doctrine especially John 1.
 
Pringle: It may not be like an audible voice, very rarely is it going to be. 99% of us don’t hear it like that. We just feel a drawing, we have a hankering,we have a knowing.
We have, it’s not like it’s crystal clear, words just popping into our head. And a longing, a desire or dream starts to form in our heart.
 
Chris: Says no biblical text anywhere.
 
Pringle: You give it time and pray on it and it becomes more clear and gold starts to fall. If you had a word from God what would it be about this coming year? Because he will speak into your life. In Acts 20:32 it says “so now brethren I commend you to God and to the word of his grace which is able to build you up give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified”
So as long as we remain among all those who are sanctified, the church, and we are feeding on this word, you find that it will release into you, the ability to take what is yours, your inheritance.
Chris: Wrong!!! Wrong!! You are totally mangling the apostle Paul’s words in Acts 20. He is not saying that as long as you stay in the word, that it will empower you or enable you to take what is yours! That is not what this text is saying, this is straight up word of faith heresy. In fact it engages in eisigesis.
Pringle: God has an inheritance for you in this life. You don’t want to get to heaven and find there is a whole warehouse full of provisions that were meant for you. A whole warehouse…
Chris: Oh no!! A whole warehouse!! Of provisions that were meant for me! They’re just sitting there languishing in heaven! No biblical text teaches this either!
Pringle: – A whole house full of things and events and opportunities that were meant for you. But because we got distracted, and you will find there are 1000 things that will try and contest your attention on the Bible and prayer.
Chris: Yes and on top of the list right now, Phil Pringle is one of those demonic devilish things designed to distract us from God’s Word.
Pringle: …. and going to church. 1 Corinthians 14:31, check this out, I don’t know if you’ve ever read this verse before, “You can all prophecy” – everybody say that, “you can all prophesy”. I know we think that…..
Chris: – yes, let’s do a little cross reference work here. Does God’s Word teach that all can prophesy? No it does not, let’s take a look at the clear passage first. 1 Corinthians chapter 12 verse 29 “Are all apostles? No. Are all prophets? No. Are all teachers? No. Do all work miracles? No. Do all possess gifts of healing? No. Do all speak with tongues? No. Do all interpret? No.”
Now you might be thinking, “well my Bible doesn’t have the word ‘no’ in it. Yes, well it’s there in the Greek, by the way. Untranslated particle “me” means the question being asked to be understood as being answered in the negative. “Me pontus apostolo” – are all apostles? No! Are all prophets? No. In fact the whole point of 1 Corinthians 12 is that God, the Holy Spirit, gives all kinds of gifts. Differing gifts and that we together are the body of Christ and there are different gifts given for different people to serve different functions within the body of Christ. Straight up! And this is one of the false teachings of the charismatic and Pentecostal movements, that all receive the gift, of the Holy Spirit, that all can prophecy. Scripture does not teach that at all. You know, it does not make it so that everybody receives the same gifts. In fact the whole point of 1 Corinthians 12 is that everybody receives different gifts, that’s why not all are apostles, not all prophesy.
Now let’s take a look at what’s going on in 1 Corinthians 14, here Phil Pringle makes it sound like ALL can prophesy. No that’s not what it says. Ok, here’s what it says when we do this in context, verse 29, 1 Corinthians 14:29 “Let two or three prophets speak, let the others weigh what is said. For revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent, for you can all prophecy one by one so that all may learn and be encouraged”. Aha! It doesn’t say all can prophesy, it says two or at the most three. Alright? That’s what it’s saying, and you can all prophecy one by one, that’s his point.
He just twisted God’s Word, wow, again! This is egregious!
Pringle: – ….reserved for prophets and and people who are the super saints in Christendom but here Paul is saying to the Corinthian church that you can all prophesy
Chris: – No he’s not! When you put it back in context he says two or three. You can all prophesy one at a time, is his point.
Pringle: – …every single one of us. Jesus said “say to this mountain, be removed”. He says pray….
Chris: – No he did not! No he didn’t! He said “IF you say to this mountain”!
Pringle: – …and say the two go together, it’s not just about praying, it’s about prophesying and speaking it into your world.
Chris: – Ok, you just took Jesus out of context and made him teach something he didn’t teach. Wow!! This is blow your mind, crazy bad, Word of faith heresy stuff going on here.
Pringle: – in 14 verse 3, 1 Corinthians 14:3 it says “he who prophecies speaks edification or building up the house, exhortation or encouragement and comfort to men. He who speaks in a tongue edifices himself but he who prophecies edifices the church”. You and I should put our tongue on the altar this year, separated to the purpose of building the house of God. What are you going to speak this year? In the beginning was the word. The beginning of a bad thing is a bad word, the beginning of a good thing is a good word. And if you are a preacher, a prophesier of good news, that is what you’re going to bring into your life….
Chris: – A preacher or prophesier of good news – the good news is the good news that Christ died for our sins. Notice now he is saying a prophesier or preacher of good news is one who uses good words to create good things in the reality of his life. This is straight up Word of Faith heresy, this is unbelievable.
Pringle: – The life of our church all around us. Let’s be those who are prophesying to build up the house of God.
Alright, Colossians 1:17 the Holman Bible says, “he is before all things and by him all things hold together”.
Chris: – Notice every passage out of context, this is the ‘rip it out of context’, string it together like pearls on a string, way of proof texting. He’s not exegetical ant text.
Pringle: – We spoke about Jesus being before all things and this is the word. It’s talking about him being the word. By him all things consist and hold together. When your life starts falling apart, it’s because the word is not holding you together.
Chris: – What!!!! That’s taking an analogy or metaphor literally. Oh man, wow!!
Pringle: – The word is what holds your life together. People often, and I meet them, are emotionally falling apart. Mentally falling apart. Relationally falling apart. Financially falling apart.
 
Chris: – well you’re theologically and doctrinally falling apart right here.
 
Pringle: – When your world starts falling apart you’ve got to think, the word that created the world, also keeps together it together. The same word that brought everything into existence, is holding it in existence. Once God withdraws that word it all falls apart, it collapses. What we have spoken into our world is what we have got and if we keep speaking it….
 
Chris: – What we have spoken into our world is what we’ve got? Again, Word of Faith heresy.
Pringle: – It’ll hold it together and if you have been speaking negativity, sickness…
Chris: – Yes. This assumes you’re God by the way, or that you’re a little deity.
Pringle: – …and tiredness into your body, the way you’re going to keep being like that is to keep speaking that!
Chris: – Right, yes, if you’re sick it’s because you spoke negativity into your body right?
Pringle: – You could change things today you could change your way of speaking and say, you know what….?
Chris: – Yes, wrong!!!!! Nowhere in scripture does it say if you change your way of speaking, you’ll get different results. This is magic! This is not Christian doctrine.
Pringle: – I’m not going to acknowledge how are I feel any more, in Christ I’m strong, I’m powerful, I have health, I have blessing on my life, in Jesus’ name. You will find that you will actually start to hold together under the worst of circumstances under the most high-pressure times. Luke 8:11 says, now the parable is this, “The seed is the word of God”. All of us in our prayer life have a finished result….
Chris: – Another verse out of context. He’s not exegeting, he’s proof texting.
Pringle: – That’s what I want, I want that tree, I want that finished looking thing. The fact is God doesn’t give you the tree, he gives you the seed and the seed is the word of God.
Chris: – Yes, that’s not the purpose of the parable of the sowers and the soils. No!
Pringle: – How do you want your marriage, how do you want your family, how do you want your finances, how do you want your business. Don’t be just reflecting what’s happening back in your words start reflecting on what the word is saying into your circumstances. And as you start to prophesy and speak in a different way about your world, you will find that it starts to change things. Things will come to pass.
Chris: – apparently all of us can prophesy and that means that, and he had to rip a verse, totally mangle it to say this, and now you can prophesy and create a better tomorrow for yourself with your words. This is not what scripture teaches!
Pringle: – You plant a seed into your own heart and into the circumstances around you. Hebrews 10:23 says we must continue to hold firmly to our declaration of faith.
Chris: – Yes and the author of Hebrews is not saying that we ‘decree and declare’ by faith things that are future prophetically. Again out of context – you are utterly twisting God’s word here here and showing you are a full blown heretic.
Pringle: – The one who made the promise is faithful God didn’t give you dreams to tease you, he gave you dreams to see them come to pass.
Commercial break….
Chris: – I am absolutely flabbergasted at the absolute audacity of this man to twist the word of God in this egregious way. I can’t believe that a man like Louis Giglio and others went to his Presence Conference when this is the straight up heresy this man is preaching and teaching – that you somehow create your future with your positive prophetic words. Unbelievable! We continue:
Pringle: – So I would like you to change your thinking, change your way of speaking. And when we prophesy with our mouth we actually reprogram our head.
Chris: – Says no biblical text anywhere!
 
Pringle: – we can ask if there’re any programmers here. Computer programmers, they used to be known as geeks. Now they are known as billionaires and you know like you know like you might be there looking at your screen programmimg, programming and you know that what you’re programming into your computer is what it’s going to bring back to you. What you program into this, is what what it’s going to bring back to you. This doesn’t know what is true.
Chris: – He’s pointing to your brain.
Pringle: – Your brain only believes what it’s told – what you are being told is extremely important. Jesus said be careful what you hear because you need to have truth coming in to your thinking.
Chris: – There’s no truth coming into the thinking there at C3 Church. This is all flat out twisting of God’s Word – no truth being taught there.
Pringle: – just anybody’s thoughts about how the world is meant to run, but truth and that’s why it’s imperative to be in the word of God so you reprogram your thinking by your tongue. Proverbs 30:32 says “If you’ve thought evil in your mind put your hand on your mouth.” Don’t say it, don’t give voice to negatives in your thinking, just…
Chris: – let’s read Proverbs 30:32 in context, in a good translation. Here’s what it says: “If you have been foolish exalting yourself or if you have been devising evil, put your hand on your mouth; for pressing milk produces curds, pressing the nose produces blood, pressing anger produces strife”. Yes, when you go back and you put all these verses in context they don’t teach the theology that he’s teaching. He’s teaching a theology and forcing God’s Word to support his doctrines. He’s not teaching what the Bible teaches.
Pringle: – ….it’s having an impact on your world and the Holy Spirit falls on all those things that are the word of God. You will find that when you speak the word, God is watching it to fulfill it. He says I watch over my word to fulfill it.
Chris: – Yes apparently your words are His words? Yes, that’s what I took from that, and that’s not what the Bible teaches either.
Pringle: – He’s not watching over our words, He’s watching over his word in our mouth so that He can fulfil it. That little tongue – don’t think it’s insignificant because of its size. Do you know the most dangerous creature on earth? Not the lion, not a hippopotamus, not an alligator. No! A mosquito! It kills more people every year than any other creature on earth – such a tiny thing, how could a little thing like that be so dangerous? Don’t think your tongue is insignificant. James says in 3 verse 4 look at the ships although they are so large and are driven by fierce winds they are still turned a very small rudder wherever the pilot desires. Even so the tongue, your tongue can point your boat, your entire huge life..
Chris: – Notice again James out of context, and every verse is out of context. And when you go back and look at them in context they are not teaching this theology.
Pringle: – ..in any direction you want it to go even though they are driven about by fierce winds, you might find the fiercest of winds a blowing against you today. Winds from every direction you might have emotional winds, mental winds, relational winds..
Chris: – Yes these are the winds of heresy and false doctrine.
Pringle: – …blowing in your life and if your tongue stays on course so will your whole life. You’ll make it through the storm you’ll get to the other side.
Chris: – Yes apparently it’s your tongue that is your saviour not Jesus
Pringle: – you’ll feel the rugged moments, you’ll feel the waves, you’ll feel the storm but I’m telling you keep that tongue under control, and you’ll get…
Chris: – You’re telling them not God
 
Pringle: – …to the other side. Prophesy to the storm prophesy to your life and you’ll find your way through the worst of storms and the darkest of nights in Jesus’ name amen? Come on, help me here!
Chris: – No, you’re hijacking Jesus’ name. You’re actually breaking the commandment that you’ll not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
Pringle: – Now listen, Ezekiel is one of the craziest prophets in the Old Testament. He was either filled with the spirit….
Chris: – Here we go, out of context.
Pringle: – ….or on drugs. But I think the things he saw, my God, wheels within wheels.
I’ll opt for the fact that he was filled with the Spirit but in verse 10 of Ezekiel 37 he said so I prophesied as he commanded me and the breath entered them and they came to life..
Chris: – Yes Ezekiel 37 in the valley of the dry bones is a prophecy regarding the resurrection God himself gives us the interpretation – it is not teaching the word of faith heresy.
Pringle: – they stood on their feet, there were enough of them to form a very large army. I spoke, I prophesied as he commanded me. That’s why I asked you what would the word be for your life this year. If He has spoken a word into your life it’s not just so you can have it. It’s so that you can speak it. And when you speak it something will happen. He says “I prophesied as he commanded means as soon…
Chris: – Yes Ezekiel 37 is not teaching what he is saying. What he just said is is absolutely patently false. Ezekiel 37 has nothing whatsoever to do with this.
Pringle: – …he did something started to happen. As soon as you start to speak about this coming year with a different kind of language and than the way you have spoken about other things in your life – when you say I’m going to get my mouth “born again” today. I’m going to…
Chris: – Yes, this is utter nonsense, no biblical text teaches this. Especially Ezekiel 37.
Pringle: – …get this tongue converted. That slippery little beast in there is going to come under control and Jesus’ name I’m going to speak into my year ahead. And you can all prophecy. Understand….
Chris: – No you cannot all prophesy because scripture says not all are prophets.
Pringle: – Prophesying isn’t just the expounding of wishful thinking it is an effectual powerful way of transforming yourself and your circumstances. Every…
Chris: – Says no biblical text anywhere.
Pringle: – You speak you put a seed into your future
Chris: – No text says that either.
Pringle: – Grow a tree and you are going to grow some of the greatest things in this coming year. You might be saying what’s God got for me? He’s got for you what is in the word, not in the circumstances. If you leave it to chance, anything could happen but why don’t you today pick up the sword of the spirit which is the word of God and start to speak into your future, speak into your world and start to rule in life by Christ Jesus and everybody said amen. Woah, everybody needs a new day.
I thought I would study the life of a prophet, and so I’m looking at the life of Elijah. Now Elijah, the Bible says he’s a guy like you and I. He is subject to self pity, he gets depressed he gets anxious. There’s moments when he’s full of fear. Fearless in front of an entire nation, and in front of 400 prophets on the top of a mountain, in front of everybody, he’s fearless. But then the next day one woman says I’m going to get to you. So Jezebel is after Elijah he runs into the wilderness. Now this is a very long passage of scripture so I’m not going to read it all. 1 Kings 19 but it says in verse 4, it says he went a day’s journey into the wilderness, he sat down under a tree, prayed that he might die – enough! Now I’ll take my life I’m no better than…..
Chris: – Notice what he said. “It’s a long passage I don’t have time to read the whole thing”. You would have had plenty of time to read it if you had started with that and exegeted the whole thing correctly. You’re not interested in that though. You’re teaching a theology that you made up.
Pringle: – He lay and he slept. That’s a good first step in recovery. Just to get some sleep. And then an angel said arise and eat. Touched him and he looked by his head and God had provided him with some food. He ate and went back to sleep! Then the angel came back a second time and touched him arise and eat because the journey is too great for you. I worry for people who do not read the Bible who do not spend time in prayer.
Chris: – yes you didn’t teach them the Bible – you totally sliced it, diced it and mangled it.
Pringle: – The journey before us is too great without that power.
Chris: – Narcissistic eisigesis here.
Pringle: – …in our lives. If we are trying to achieve a destiny at that level in our word level, our spiritual life is at this level….
Chris: – Yes, your destiny level is way higher than your word level. You better get your word count up so that you can prophesy to make the destiny thingy happen. Yes right no biblical text teaches this either!
Pringle: – We need to lift that level of the word of God dominating our thinking and dominating our heart so that we are equal to the responsibilities. So when the anxieties…
Chris: – No text teaches this either.
 
Pringle: – …come we’ve got push back. When the pressure comes we’ve got reinforces and we’re not overwhelmed and collapsed by the things because we have a deposit of the word of God on the inside of us. Paul says to the Colossians “let the word of God dwell in you richly”…
Chris: – Yes he does that but you have taken it out of context and Paul did not teach your theology either
Pringle: – …in all wisdom let His word get inside of you and not with their? vacant souls with just hopeful thoughts and a few prayers inside of us. But we have solid word on the inside of us.
Chris: – yes but there’s nothing solid about the word you gave. It was about as solid as a slice of Swiss cheese.
Pringle: – He comes out to the mouth of the cave, not because of something dramatic and the dramatic came. There was the wind that broke rocks, there was an earthquake that moved the mountain. There was a fire that burned everything and we are so addicted to the big and the dramatic. We’ve watched all the movies and I think all these people, they live their entire life like that it would be about three years long because nobody could take that life we just have that ordinary pedestrian and do the same thing day after day after day after day after day that’s how ..life isn’t always huge dramatic. The thing that got Elijah to the mouth of the cave was not the dramatic it was the still small voice and it was something very quiet something so subtle so easily missed on the inside. But he heard this voice and the voice said what are you doing here, what are you doing here. He wasn’t talking about the cave, your fears have misplaced you. Your depression has mispositioned you. You’re meant to be out there.
Chris: – Yes you do know that God had mercy on Elijah and told him to get his affairs together, brought him home to heaven.
Pringle: – Say Lord this year I’m going to put myself on that altar of prayer, the bible…
Chris: – Yes you go right ahead, just put yourself on that altar. It isn’t going to help anything because this is not what scripture actually teachers regarding that.
Pringle: – …the house of God. You are going to find fresh fire falls on your life…
Chris: – No, this is strange fire but not fresh fire..
Pringle: – Meaningfulness and purpose as God gives you a job to do. Sends you on a mission. The bible is so important to have in your life. You know the fact is, there’s been so many attempts on the Word of God to destroy it. Voltaire, he claimed he would destroy every bible from the world.
Chris: – Cue sappy music, this is an emotional manipulation technique designed to create the false impression that God is now descending on the audience to get them to make decisions. Apparently the decision God you to make you use your words to make you prophesy your future into existence which doesn’t make any sense because the Holy Spirit doesn’t teach this theology in His written word at all.
Pringle: – a room where he made that statement in, became the printing press for the Geneva Bible Publishing Society He he he. Voltaire s gone, the bible hasn’t. It’s here for you and I to get in our lives and to start speaking. God will watch over His word to bring it to pass.
 
Chris: – Done, that was Phil Pringle’s sermon “Prophesy” and what a mess that was. Yes and that’s teaching magic and that’s just the doctrines of demons.Read your bible, you’ll find when you read it cover to cover, no biblical text actually teaches this theology and there’s a reason for that, because this is a man made doctrine and Phil Pringle is a false prophet, false apostle, false teacher and somebody who twists and mangles Gods Word and nobody who is truly a Christian should ever be listening to him.

JD Hall on Modern Day Montanism – A Critique of the Charismatic Movement

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Whether you hold to cessationism or continuationism, sound theology matters. In this lecture you will hear a clear presentation exposing an ancient heresy invading Christianity today.

“JD Hall recently spoke at the NorCal Fire conference in California. The following is audio from his sermon, Modern Day Montanism. This is a critique of the charismatic movement, and defends the doctrine of Cessationism, particularly in regards to new prophecy.”

 Source: Pulpit & Pen; contributed by Jeff Maples; http://pulpitandpen.org/2016/09/17/jd-hall-on-modern-day-montanism-a-critique-of-the-charismatic-movement/
 
Accessed: 17/09/2016 Published: 19/09/2016

What Discernment Is and Isn’t

Another excellent article from Pulpit & Pen:

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Within the Charismatic Movement, discernment is often viewed as this supernatural ability to see if the spirit which influenced something is a good spirit or a demon. That is not what true discernment is in the modern context. Others within the same movement say that discernment is a supernatural feeling you get that tells you if someone or something is sound or unsound. They treat it as if you can simply feel when something is wrong, similar to how Yoda could feel a “disturbance in the force” in the Star Wars movies. No such feeling is ever described in the Bible.

Some people, including one popular blogger, David J. Stewart, sit at their computers and write about how wrong people are on certain issues that aren’t essential while at the same time believing many heresies (or false doctrines) themselves. This isn’t true discernment, this is just hypocrisy. Further, it is an insult to those who do practice true discernment as well as the Holy Spirit, who grants the gift of discernment.

A lot of so-called evangelicals think discernment is simply about decision making. While having a sharper discernment should certainly affect your decision making, that’s not exactly what discernment is either. True discernment, as succinctly stated by Charles Spurgeon, is the ability to distinguish between right and almost right–truth from error, and orthodoxy from heresy.

False Prophets have plagued God’s People since Eden. Satan could be considered the very first heretic and the very first false teacher, intentionally leading Adam and Eve astray for shameful gain. Throughout the times leading up to Christ, many false teachers and false prophets arose, such as Balaam, Korah, and Honi ha-M’agel. This continued throughout history with people such as Arius, Pelagius, Sabellius, Macedonius, Johannes Agricola, and Joel Osteen. For every one of these, there has been an Athanasius, an Augustine, a Tertullian, a Jerome, a Melancthon, and a MacArthur–all raised up by God. The defense of the Church against heresies like Arianism and Antinomianism and the Prosperity Gospel is a practical example of discernment. Discernment’s main goal is to defend the Church from heresies, false teachers, and cults who seek to deceive members of the Church. The perfect standard for sound theology is the Bible, therefore, that is what each teacher must be judged by. Discernment should be practiced against every teacher, every doctrine, every book, and every group. The discerner determines if they are sound, and warns the Church about those who aren’t. With this discernment info, we know who to evangelize and which teachers to avoid listening to.

The Bible has a lot to say about discernment. In fact, nearly every book in the New Testament has something about discernment inside of it. The books of 2 Peter and Jude were written mainly to encourage discernment. 3 John is a book written by the Apostle John warning Gaius about a false teacher named Diotrephes. Similarly, the Apostle Paul wrote warnings against Hymenaeus, Alexander the Coppersmith, and Philetus in his two epistles to Timothy. Chapter 5 of Ephesians encourages people to practice discernment and to maintain separation from those who are not theologically sound. In Acts 17, the Church in Berea was commended for being discerning while in Revelation 2 the Church in Thyatira was rebuked for being undiscerning. Paul tells the Church in Ephesians 5:6-11 (ESV),

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not become partners with them; for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.

Source: Pulpit & Pen; contributed by Brandon Hines; http://pulpitandpen.org/2016/09/15/what-discernment-is-and-isnt/

Published: 15/09/2016 Accessed: 19/09/2016

‘I thought Sun Ho was a megastar’: Chew Eng Han says of church’s Crossover Project

 

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A former member of  Kong Hee’s City Harvest Church Singapore said in a Facebook post today:

“Truth be told, I was also brainwashed in the past… many of us grew up in a church whereby the culture was one of submission and not question – for that would lead to “discipleship” because you “cannot flow” with the vision. We were taught to “look up to” and punished if we instead “looked into”.

Truth be told, when I saw the xtron financial statements, that was my first brush with the fact that perhaps all the success that was so hyped in church, including the first Asian Conference in 2008 (which should be more aptly renamed as a Sun Conference) was made up. Numbers don’t lie – they tell a story. Their actions following the questions confirmed it. The pieces began to add up.

Truth be told, I am stumbled that until this very day, I refuse to trust anyone who claims to be a shepherd – because i cannot eradicate the suspicion that behind that mask lies a different being – a reptilian or a wolf with a different agenda. A rancher teaching us on stage to give thousands but who set an example of giving from his MPA into his MPA.

Truth be told, I am sick of organised religion. As a “cell group leader” in the cell group ministry for over 10 years up to the time I left in 2011, and over the last 5 years wandering around, I found that a ministry need not be rooted in the church. The church is everywhere and we can touch lives everywhere with our message and mission, leading people to Christ in our own unique ways through the Holy Spirit. In fact, the last 5 years had been even more fruitful and prosperous than the entire 10 over years add together.

Truth be told, I have also seen enough of positions and words of praise people can give you. Because that’s also superficial – for they will suddenly call you an ingrate, a traitor, an unforgiving person and whatever their figment of imagination can make up or whatever their leaders told them – only because you stopped standing on their side.

Truth be told, the Crossover is a sham, mutated by cover up over cover ups, rebranding after rebranding after the CAD raid, emotionally manipulated in straw polls and shrill-planted executive meetings. Don’t forget the earlier pioneers who already left and gave, believing in “unequal amounts but equal sacrifice” had left you this building so that you can now say, “they have never been a part of us to comment about the case”.

Truth be told, I have already forgiven. But I had not forgotten. And truth be told, I do not think I can forget the scars of betrayal by the very people I used to look up to. Truth be told, 8 years is too short a restitution for the lives ho hee ho affected. 8 years x 3 is fair but 8 years x 7 x 7 soothes. Divide it by 21 people that makes it just right – by grace. Although my carnal soul secretly wish that the jail term be just half a day, only for the key to go missing and never found. They won’t even sincerely apologise for taking away our sacrifice, but instead took more. Some staff were thrown away like used tissue papers.

Truth be told, the silence and lack of leadership of the council of churches and some Christian groups are another disappointing act. Some of them I heard don’t want to stir s**t within the Christian community, but they chose not to let the LGBT live their peace. Is it more appropriate to take a moral stand against the LGBT and take a liberal stand towards the rancher and the geisha-the-next-whitney-houston. Star struck? I’m sure that’s not what the bible said, unless we’re reading from the NKHV. What’s the point of having a council in the first place? Rub each other’s back?

Well, truth be told, its really no thanks to the jackals. That’s my honest opinion of this saga. The lawyer says there’s no victims nor personal gains – he’s right because everyone is a culprit following the instruction of ONE mastermind squandering it all on a drunk “whitley houston” singing “You Stupid”.”

His remarks came with the following article from NewsAsia attached:

‘I thought Sun Ho was a megastar’: Chew Eng Han says of church’s Crossover Project

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C3’s very own MystiChick Vicky Simpson gives God some space.

 

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Chris Rosebrough, on a recent Fighting For The Faith program, reviewed C3 ‘prophetess’ Vicki Simpson, as she preached at C3 San Diego. In his review Chris makes it quite clear that when Vicki Simpson gets up to speak:

“None of it is even remotely true. Every word from her mouth was totally empty. God hasn’t even spoken in this sermon as she has muzzled Him, claimed to be speaking for Him and everything she said, none of it was even biblical.”

He continues: “That was miserable, and the reason why it was miserable is because number one, she should never have been preaching, God’s Word forbids her doing what she did, she is not a pastor, the office of pastor is created by Christ and in His Church, He has made it very clear in His written word of God that only men can fill that office – yes pastor is not a title. You should understand that, it’s not at title you can just slap on to somebody, you know. This guy’s the pastor of finance? Wrong!  A pastor is an office, read your bible and you’ll see. And of course if you look at the archives of Fighting For The Faith, type in “pastor in office” I’ve done episodes of Fighting For the faith where we’ve dug deep into the biblical teaching on this, I’d recommend that.”

“So Vicki is not a pastor, she should not be preaching, she then gets up and preaches as if she hears directly from God and preaches her so-called direct revelations as if they’re bible truth and then brings out-of-context passages into bear, you know, to support the doctrine that she’s teaching from her direct revelation. Talk about a mess – this is about as “train-wrecky” as you can possibly get and who gets shoved to the side?  Christ does. And does God get to speak? Not at all. His word is absolutely made void and twisted and He is silenced while these people are chattering on – what a mess.

 

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PROGRAM SEGMENTS:

00:08:55 Vonda Brewer Time for Her to Dump Her “Ministry” and Repent
00:16:11 Steven Furtick Code Orange Revival Night 1 Recap
01:21:30 Sermon Review: Give God Some Space by Vicki Simpson

1 Timothy 6:12 ““Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called and about which you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.”

Source: Chris Rosebrough, Fighting For The Faith, http://www.piratechristian.com/fightingforthefaith/2016/9/the-rhythm-of-heresy

Accessed: 12/09/2016 Published: 15/09/2106

The Mysti-Chicks Uprising: Why the MCU is a threat to Christianity

WHAT IS THE MYSTI-CHICKS UPRISING?

Although Chris Rosebrough identified a few key women as the Mysti-Chicks, we consider what he was addressing was more of an uprising within the modern day Church. Here is Chris Rosebrough to explain the Mysti-Chicks:

This is why we have specifically labeled this feminist movement as the Mysti-Chicks Uprising. It is rallying women to rise up and embrace their unbiblical forms of church governance and non-Christian practices.

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These are just SOME women who were and are responsible for usurping this biblical authority and causing divisions in churches around the world.

Jan Crouch
Gloria Copeland
Joyce Meyer
Wendy Alec
Beth Moore
Bobbie Houston
Lisa Bevere
Priscilla Shirer
Cindy Jacobs
Paula White
Victoria Osteen
Staci Eldridgez
Ann Voskamp
Caroline Leaf
Christine Caine
Jen Johnson
Heidi Baker
Melissa Fischer
Patricia King
Sarah Young
Kat Kerr
Vonda Brewer
LaWanda Peters
Chris Pringle
Sun Ho
Stacey Campbell
Katherine Ruonala
Amanda Wells
Lana Vowser

HOW IS THE MCU DESTROYING CHURCHES?

For 2000 years Christianity has stood on the scriptures to contend earnestly for the faith, once and for all delivered to the saints (Jude 1). When the church forgot about the authority of the scriptures, the church increasingly took on pagan practices and created alternative man-made authorities and structures.

Hence the Great Reformation.

Through Martin Luther and many that followed after him, what was restored to the church were these five essential tenants to the Christian faith.

  1. Sola Fide – by faith alone
  2. Sola Scriptura – by Scripture alone.
  3. Solus Christus – through Christ alone.
  4. Sola Gratia – grace alone.
  5. Soli Deo Gloria – glory to God alone.

Sadly, through the rise of the Charismatic/New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) cult in the twentieth century, self-appointed Apostles and Prophets also promoted the idea that women can be Apostles. One way they mainstreamed this idea was by challenging the definition of ‘ministry’. They allowed men and women to have intercessory ministries, workplace ministries, prophetic ministries, prayer ministries and children’s ministry, etc.

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Women became Apostles in the NAR based on their success. False Apostles and Prophets then were able to claim women were called by God into apostolic and prophetic ministry because they had the numbers and success to prove this (see Wendy Alec of GODTV). If it wasn’t done through this manner, it was done through the NARismatic TV ministries such as TBN, GODTV and DayStar ministries where woman were given the platform to ‘minister’ to men and women on TV from their homes. Essentially they challenged the notion of God’s Word on the issues of men teaching and preaching to edify and equip the church and usurped their authority.

So what were the NAR attacking with the rise of these Apostolic/Prophetic women?

Sola Scriptura

Essentially – these women hate the word of God.
They make it very plain they do not submit to that scriptural authority and promote churches to rebel against it.

These are scriptures they reject:


[In accordance to the fall] “To the woman [God] said, “I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you.“” Genesis 3:16 (Emphasis added)


“As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.

Or was it from you that the word of God came? Or are you the only ones it has reached? If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord. If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.1 Corinthians 14:33-38 (Emphasis added)


“Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.” 1 Timothy 2:11-14 (Emphasis added)


“In this way they can train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, managers of their households, kind, and subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be discredited.” Titus 2:4-5


Just like any cult, the MCU have crafted plausible sounding arguments using certain scriptures to justify their rebellion, which have been refuted. Other MCU leaders like Katherine Ruonala simply claim they are teachers and prophets because God the Holy Spirit spoke to them directly and called them into such offices.

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The reason why women are called to submit like this within the church gathering is that men also must submit to their wives and be willing to give up their lives for them, the way Christ gave His life up for the church (Ephesians 5). This doctrine of submission between man and woman, husband and wife is known as complementarianism – a doctrine the church has held to for nearly two thousand years. The complementarian position is seen to uphold what has been the most traditional teaching on gender roles in the church. (You can even read on some of the early church father’s views on this topic here.)

AN EXAMPLE OF THE MYSTI-CHICKS UPRISING

One popular Mysti-Chicks Uprising prophet, Lisa Bevere, recently spoke on the Charisma Podcast Network. She talked about how she fell asleep at her laptop and when she awoke, God the Holy Spirit spoke to her about God’s love. She claimed that through the Holy Spirit she wrote her latest book ‘Without Rival’. With her prophetic office established (because the Holy Spirit spoke to her), the presenter proceeded to ask Lisa Bevere about her thoughts on women in the church.
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Lisa stated,

“When the church tells the daughters that they can find their value anywhere and everywhere except for in the house of God, then there is a problem. Somehow, I don’t know how this translates, but somehow men have really almost embraced a- it’s hard to say this- we’re kept almost like a Muslim Christianity where women have value everywhere except the house of God. They’re like kind of redeemed but not fully redeemed. Adam is fully redeemed. Eve is partially redeemed. And so what you see is a gender competition going on. You hear comments from major, MAJOR, church planting leaders say things like, ‘Women are gullible, they’re unfit, they’re easily deceived, they take the words of Paul and distort their application.’”

Source: Lisa Bevere, Without Rival with Lisa Bevere (56), Charismatic Podcast Network, https://charismapodcastnetwork.com/shows/charismaconnection/ae0bc20c82092bd92388aeab1fc3e2c3, Published 14/08/2016. (Accessed 11/09/2016.) (Emphasis ours.)

By Lisa’s admission she is a false prophet. This is because she acknowledged that Christian leaders do claim that women who want to find Lisa’s unbiblical feminist values “take the words of Paul and distort their application”. This is because Lisa is ignoring Paul’s clear instruction about her role in the church. While Lisa Bevere takes on the office of ‘Prophet’ in the above CPN broadcast, she is refusing to “acknowledge that the things [Paul is] writing to [her] are a command of the Lord”. Notice the strong rebuke the Apostle Paul makes against false prophets like Lisa Bevere:

“Or was it from you that the word of God came? Or are you the only ones it has reached? If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord. If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.

In other words, Lisa Bevere is to be rejected by the church for her blatant disregard of God’s Word as a self-appointed prophet. This kind of hatred towards God, his teaching and His Church are very common within the MCU.

THE FRUIT OF THE MCU: REBELLION AND WITCHCRAFT

One of the MCU leaders is Beth Moore. She wrote an article titled ‘It’s Hunting Season for Heretics‘, where she took offense to a young woman who called her a “false teacher”. However, in her article, Moore accused Christians of going on “a witch hunt. Only, instead of witches, it’s heretics and false teachers.”

The concept that women like Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer or Bobbie Houston are witches is laughable. However, now that Beth Moore put that concept out there, we started researching what the bible teaches on witchcraft. We were shocked to discover the fruit of the Mysti-Chicks Uprising is exactly that: witchcraft.

Heed the words of the prophet Samuel to the rebellious King Saul:

“For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.” 1 Samuel 15:23 (Emphasis ours)

Likewise, the Mysti-Chicks Uprising have “rejected the word of the LORD” and usurped (just like the Pharisees), the rightful authorities within the church. Just as King Saul’s rebellion led him to seek out the Witch/Medium of Endor, requesting that she summon the dead to counsel him (1 Samuel 28), so too are women like Beth Moore embracing witch-craft in the name of Jesus to usurp biblical authority for their own selfish gains. Here is God describing these occult practices:

“There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to theLORD. And because of these abominations the LORD your God is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the LORD your God, for these nations, which you are about to dispossess, listen to fortune-tellers and to diviners. But as for you, the LORD your God has not allowed you to do this.”Deuteronomy 18:10-14

Take note that false prophets in Israel used the ‘miraculous’ to mislead Israel to embrace the practices of paganism:

“If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the LORD your God is testing you, to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the LORD your God…”Deuteronomy 13:1-5

Likewise, women such as Beth Moore, Priscilla Shirer, Bobbie Houston and Joyce Meyer within the MCU, are “prophesying and dreaming dreams” to mislead women AWAY from Christianity and embracing the worldly notions of humanistic philosophies and feminist notions. God is using these women – “to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.” However, the above scripture links again rebellion with the pursuit of other pagan deities and practices.

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The MCU’s idea of empowering and equipping women is actually:

  1. promoting elitism,
  2. dividing churches,
  3. rejecting the Word of God,
  4. encouraging women to “to play the harlot after” secular idealisms (humanism, feminism) and thus
  5. promoting rebellion and witchcraft.

Yes, the Mysti-Chicks Uprising encourages witchcraft. This is because the bible states witchcraft includes fortune-telling and divining. Fortune-telling is also known as clairvoyance. And ‘divining’ requires someone who has supernatural or magical insight into future events. Bible translations often translate the word ‘witch’ with ‘medium’, suggesting that the two are synonymous (1 Samuel 28). Interestingly enough, people in the secular today identify as:

  1. psychic mediums
  2. spiritual mediums and
  3. intuitive mediums

A medium tunes into their psychic/spiritual/intuitive faculty to see into the lives of their hearers, (whether it be past, present or future). Probably the most popular form of mediation in the MCU is spiritual mediation. Spiritual mediation engages in ‘channeling’ the spirit, demon or primitive force through the person to communicate a message to their hearers. Channeling is a form of communication with various spiritual or energetic entities or forces in a spiritual world. Yet we see many of the leaders in the MCU rely on such occultic practices to convince their gullible audiences that they are hearing from God the Holy Spirit. Even Beth Moore confessed to tapping into this method from hearing God in an email:

“I have at times been so heavily impressed by Him on my heart that I had a very strong sense of what He was intending to get across to me. In sharing it, I used regular language – words – as people often do, to express those strong impressions that came with the pressing of the Holy Spirit.” [Source]

In other words, Beth Moore was acting as an intuitive medium, although she relied on intuitive senses to channel a message supposedly from the “Holy Spirit”. Amanda Wells is more of a psychic medium, relying on cold readings to give the impression she is hearing from God. Kat Kerr, Heidi Baker, Stacey Campbell to name a few are more of spiritual mediums, presenting themselves as channeling the Holy Spirit.

WARNING: The following videos may disturb some viewers.

[Start at 00:32 seconds in for Kat Kerr video.]

If you are still not convinced that this form of rebellion is linked to witchcraft, here is Patricia King promoting the pagan worship that taps into trance-like experiences known as Ekstasis Worship:

Copying the world: calling pagan worship Christian worship (Part 1)

Notice what they have in common. They are making Christianity all about you – not Jesus. However Jesus states,

You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.” John 5:39-40

This proves that they are false prophets, attracting people who hear what they want to hear. These prophets don’t care about the true Holy Spirit behind prophecy:

“Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelations 19:10

Note, all these MCU leaders have no problem claiming they hear from God the Holy Spirit. However, if they were hearing from the Holy Spirit, why isn’t the Holy Spirit doing His job of convicting these women of their sins and calling them to repentance? This is what Christ says the Holy Spirit came to do:

Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer;concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.” John 16:7-9 (Emphasis added)

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CONCLUSION

If there is anything that we hope you begin to realize about the dangers of the MCU, it’s that they are rebelling against God, they are dividing churches and as a result, they are promoting a form of witchcraft in the name of Jesus Christ. Finally a good example of this rebellion and the damage it’s causing in churches, is this segment from Jordan Hall’s Polemics Report.

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Jordan Hall read out an email he received from a pastor who was terrified of the women in his church who promote Beth Moore. Jordan Hall addressed the following:

“Here’s why I’m reading the email. Here’s why I am reading this. He says this- he says:

‘By the way, please don’t get thrown off by the Beth Moore simulcast website banner on our website. (JD Hall laughs) Ah! Alright! It’s painful to see. We elders have been wrestling with our own powerful women’s ministries for some time. When we challenge that leadership, they cry foul and start manipulating us. It’s been tough but it’s coming to a head. We do not believe Beth Moore is a bible teacher.’

Well she is a bible teacher. She’s just a really, really bad bible teacher. Ahh- and claims direct divine revelation. And here’s the thing, the PASTOR has a Beth Moore link on the church website – – – and he can’t do anything about it right this minute because they’ve been wrestling with, the quote, (he put it in quotes), ‘POWERFUL’ (notice the quotation marks), ‘POWERFUL women’s ministry’. Anybody else seeing a problem, or is it just me?

Well, the scripture says the student becomes like the teacher. Usurping authority in her rebellious authoritative teaching positions, teaching men and women authoritatively as though she were preaching (because that’s what it is).

Huh! And her followers won’t submit to the leadership and the pastor of the church. First of all, this is very common. This is not out of the ordinary. Most post pastors I know who are discerning are terrified of the women in their church when it comes to Beth Moore.”

Source: Jordan Hall, Andy Stanley’s Tired of the Bible, Polemics Report,http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=8311621700, 25:52,Published 26/05/2016. (Accessed 08/09/2016.)

 

New Apostolic Reformation 101

“Excellent interview!!! It was as if I had been reading every note I had written down in the last 5 years on the subject….yep, 20 years in that movement and I didn’t even know that I was in it…yikes!!!” – Fighting for the Faith listener [Source]

The above comment from Facebook summarised why Chris Rosebrough’s recent interview Holly Pivec (from Spirit of Error), is a must listen to. They both discussed the New Apostolic Reformation, how to identify it, why it is so dangerous and why it has nothing to do with Christianity.

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The New Apostolic Reformation cult preach a false Jesus, false gospel and New Age metaphysical teachings and strategies in an attempt to bring heaven to earth.

We will be addressing details in this interview in other articles.

New Apostolic Reformation 101

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PROGRAM SEGMENTS:

Interview with Holly Pivec on the New Apostolic Reformation

Source: Chris Rosebrough, New Apostolic Reformation 101, Fighting for the Faith, http://www.piratechristian.com/fightingforthefaith/2016/9/new-apostolic-reformation-101, 09/09/2016. (Accessed 10/09/2016.)

‘Gag-rag’ Christian Post shamelessly promote a liar and convicted criminal.

As you may have noted, we have been monitoring the scandalous case of Kong Hee and Sun Ho for the last few years. Not only has  Kong Hee been found guilty of his crimes of embezzling church funds to finance his wife’s music career, he was internationally exposed as a liar. And his lies were debunked by Chew Eng Han with evidence presented by him at his hearing.

But Kong Hee is an apostle with a mission from God apparently. And according to the Christian Post, who cares if Kong Hee has been proven to be a compulsive liar and a convicted criminal. Who cares if he deceived his church into thinking he was tithing to God but was in fact tithing to himself? Who cares if he was using the tithes of the sick and dying in his church so his wife can shamelessly shake her semi-naked body in her raunchy video-clip ‘China Wine’ (all in the name of Jesus)?

 

 

Once again, CP didn’t do their job as discerning journalists and once again lack any form of Christian ethic or moral standards. Instead they rely on claims found on Kong Hee and Sun Ho’s facebook pages. And that is why Christian Post continually proves itself to to be a gag-rag.

A gagrag is a so-called “Christian” rag that show no regard for journalistic ethics or biblical standards but serve the needs, and are governed by, the standards of the Evangelical Industrial Complex. [Read more here]

The Christian Post write,

Kong Hee Revival Draws 1,000 Pastors in Southeast Asia Amid Persecution of Believers

Megachurch pastor Kong Hee of City Harvest Church in Singapore revealed that he recently held a mass revival event for over 1,100 pastors from Southeast Asia, including China, where Christians face heavy government persecution.

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Phil Pringle once again endorses a damnable ‘gospel’ on his own blog.

A few years, ago we made our readers aware that Phil Pringle held to the damnable$Health and Wealth$ gospel. In his book ‘Dead for Nothing’, Pringle distorted the gospel of salvation by making the following claim:

“Jesus became poor regarding the wealth of this world on the cross, that those who receive Him may become rich with the wealth of this world.”

You can read an expose of Phil Pringle’s false gospel here:

Pringle Believes It’s Gods Will That Jesus Died To Make Believers Rich

This is a false gospel that will send people to hell, as outlined in Galatians 1:

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.” Galatians 1:6-10

This is in stark contrast to the gospel that was proclaimed in 1 Corinthians 15, (“that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures…”).

Prosperity heretics preach Christ teach Jesus Christ is rich, Christ died to make you rich, that you must tithe and demands that you are to "bless to be a blessing".

Prosperity heretics preach and teach Jesus Christ was rich, Christ died to make you rich, that you must tithe and demands that you are to “blessed to be a blessing”.

We cannot stress enough the danger people put themselves in, when men like Phil Pringle get away with peddling such a false gospel. Even though he wrote this damnable heresy nearly fifteen years ago, Pringle continues to give this heresy his stamp of approval by republishing this material as recently as September 2015 on his own WordPress blog here.


Phil Pringle writes,

2 Cor 8:9  For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich.

Paul is here referring to the fact that Jesus Christ died without one possession to his name, without one stitch of clothing on His body without any money at all so that he could take poverty to the cross and secure its defeat for those who embrace the Saviour.

This Scripture is couched right in the middle of two Chapters written to the Corinthians dealing almost exclusively with the subject of money.  Many commentators have great difficulty admitting that this passage is actually dealing with money.  In fact I don’t think I’ve yet found one who agrees that Paul is speaking specifically regarding finances.  The most common comment is that it is a reference to spiritual riches.  The Thompson Chain Reference Bible is a wonderful resource and study bible, but at this point he too in the margin describes what Paul is referring to as ‘spiritual riches’; Jamieson, Fausset and Brown comes the closest saying, ‘…in the heavenly glory which constitutes His riches, and all other things, so far as is really good for us’,  Matthew Henry interprets it as, ‘rich in the love of God, rich in the blessings of the new covenant, rich in the hopes of eternal life’.  The Word Biblical Commentary, claiming a team of respected International scholars who were ‘a showcase of the best in evangelical critical scholarship for a new generation’, states regarding this verse; ‘Here, surely wealth and poverty are ciphers, not for material prosperity and penury but for spiritual exchange as the Incarnate Christ became what we are, so we could become what He is’. For that to be consistent, the scripture would have to read, ‘Christ…became (spiritually) poor, that you might become (spiritually) rich’.  This then becomes an absurd, almost blasphemous proposition.  To say or even intimate that Jesus Christ was a spiritually poor person is ludicrous. Here is a person who raised the dead, healed the sick, displayed complete prowess over demons and the devil, revealed truths regarding God, man and the entire purpose of God that have withstood every kind of test and scrutiny.  This person was not a spiritually poor person. Rather it was because of His spiritual wealth that he was able to go to the cross and bear away the curses that afflict mankind.  Even if we limit His poverty to the time He was on the cross, claiming it was our poverty that He took, are we to conclude that the ‘hope’ he entered into was a spiritually poor position!?  To maintain any kind of hope, and faith through His ordeal demonstrates an extraordinary spiritual richness.  In our effort to read more into the statement than is actually there we make fools of ourselves and prevent God fulfilling His great promises in our lives. Jesus became poor regarding the wealth of this world on the cross, that those who receive Him may become rich with the wealth of this world.

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Source: Phil Pringle, Riches, PhilPringle, PHIL PRINGLE | BIBLE STUDY, https://philpringle.wordpress.com/2015/09/02/riches/, Published 02/09/2015. (Accessed 13/08/2016.)

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Phil Pringle: spiritually abusing and fleecing attendees at Presence 2016

Earlier this year, Chris Rosebrough from Fighting For The Faith reviewed segments from Phil Pringle’s Presence Conference 2016 in Sydney, Australia. Chris’ review includes:

  1. The lunacy of a totalitarian New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) “Apostle” Samuel Rodriguez promoting classic NAR ‘devilstomp’ (this is not a Christian doctrine).
  2. A disgusting display of Phil Pringle rebuking the sick at his conference for not using their faith to get God to heal them.
  3. Thieves fraudulently getting money through guilt trips and lies.

How organisations can get away with abusing and exploiting the sick and dying in our communities like this under the guise of “Christianity” should make anyone concerned.

I HAVE A MANTLE & I’M NOT AFRAID OF IT?

About sixteen minutes in, Chris reviewed NARpostle Samuel Rodriguez. NARpostles are part of the New Apostolic Reformation cult, a cult that emerged from the New Order of the Latter Rain revival/movement in 1948. Many heretical doctrines emerged from this movement including an heretical concept that God is restoring Apostles and Prophets to govern the end-times church. C3 Church is part of the NAR. So it’s no surprise they invited NARpostle Samuel Rodriguez. In this segment, Chris ‘accidentally’ exposed Rodriguez peddling a NARpostolic form of ‘Strategic Level of Spiritual Warfare’ (SLSW) which is akin to the NAR devilstomp.

The spiritual ravings of this man has all the markings of the NAR’s fanatical SLSW doctrines.

PRINGLE SPIRITUALLY ABUSING THE SICK

At the Presence Conference, Phil Pringle likes to look like a Benny Hinn wannabe. He promotes the idea that he can heal people by putting on a healing ‘signs and wonders’ crusade at his Presence Conferences. When he doesn’t get the numbers up on stage that he wants, he usually displays an attitude that often results in him speaking irreverently and turning people away from true Christianity.

Pringle claims Christ’s death was in vain?

In the video below, you can already see terminally ill and desperate people lined up for Pringle to pray for them during a “miracle” session. Imagine how all the sick and dying would feel having to stomach what Pringle is saying in this clip, (remember – these people are manipulated to give money at these events to get these miracles):

 Chris Rosebrough stopped and reflected on what Pringle was conveying God saying:

“Let see if I got this straight… I just received a report that I have terminal cancer. Okay. So I got terminal cancer so I call out to God.
‘God! I’m perishing!!!’
And God’s response is, ‘I gave you the bible, I sent Jesus and the Holy Spirit…
Yeah! You’re move!
It’s up to you.’

The fact that Pringle has no problem spiritually and emotionally abusing people suffering  sickness and terminal illness, only confirms that all he cares about is himself and his ‘healing’ facade. His sycophantic and unregenerate nature before God and man is on full display. Here is the transcript from the clip:

“Don’t you care [to the audience]?  When we refuse to raise our faith we’ll accuse God of being uncaring about our circumstance. They said, ‘You don’t care we are perishing’. You don’t think God loves you because you’re perishing. Your marriage is wobbly. Your sickness has come. But He’s asleep!

You say, ‘Wake up! Wake up! Do something for me!’

‘MOVE GOD! MOVE GOD! MOVE GOD!’

Sometimes He’s saying like, ‘I sent my Son, I sent the Holy Spirit, I sent the Word of God; you’re move. You’re to- You’re to take a hold of it. What makes you think I’ve got anything left up here?’

You can do stuff people! Christian’s hovering around the cross too long. I love the cross. Got saved there. But we’ve gotta move from a Savior to a Lord. 

But He’s ruling in our lives and we’re ruling in life. We’re living the life that he’s purchased for us, to make us full human beings. Not some living, chopped down experience of life. Rise up. Lay hold to the promise. Pick up the sword of the spirit. Fight the good fight of faith. It’s a great fight cos you’ll always win. All you gotta do is put up a bit of a fight. Just whatever fight you’ve got. Just- it might just be a tiny bit. And I’m preaching to you guys here. I hope you’re hearing me.”

FINANCIAL FRAUD HIDING IN PLAIN SITE

The last segment of Chris Rosebrough’s review of the 2016 Presence Conference was a collection of sound bites exposing C3 for bringing guest speakers in to fraudulently strip people of their money. J John’s was particularly bad. Chris Rosebrough’s expose on this segment was particularly good.

Listen to the entire review here:

I Have a Mantle and I’m Not Afraid to Use It

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PROGRAM SEGMENTS:
00:05:49 Todd Bentley Back to the Future Mantle Dream
00:16:47 Samuel Rodriguez I Have a Mantle and I’m Not Afraid to Use It
00:18:54 Phil Pringle God Has Done His Part
00:23:07 Presence Fleecings by Samuel Rodriguez, J. John and Louie Giglio
01:07:34 Craig Groeschel Preaches at Osteen’s Building
01:27:28 Sermon Review: I Am A Sheep by Robert Morris

Source: Chris Rosebrough, I Have a Mantle and I’m Not Afraid to Use It, Fighting For The Faith, http://www.piratechristian.com/fightingforthefaith/2016/5/i-have-a-mantle-and-im-not-afraid-to-use-it?rq=pringle, 28/04/2016. (Accessed 02/09/2016.)