2011 VISION BUILDERS BROCHURE
Go to www.myc3church.net.
On the above banner, roll your mouse over COMMUNITY, scroll down to ‘Vision Builders’ and click the link. View thumbnail if you are not sure how to do this.
You will be taken to this page: http://www2.myc3church.net/visionbuilders. Scroll past the videos until you reach the bottom.
You will see a link that says, ‘Vision Builders E-Brochure’. Click on it and you should be taken to this link: http://issuu.com/c3churchsydney/docs/vision-builders-2011?AID=10829131&PID=4166869&SID=5mxehuev2ic3.
Click the ‘Click To Read’ button over the brochure image. You should be taken to a full screen mode to browse the brochure. Flick through until you reach a double page spread that has the title: ‘Essential Info.’. (On the left hand side the page number is pg. 14). Read page 15.
The question is:
“Q / I am in significant debt, should I pay off my debts or give to Vision Builders?” – Vision Builders 2011, http://issuu.com/c3churchsydney/docs/vision-builders-2011?AID=10829131&PID=4166869&SID=5mxehuev2ic3, pg. 15.
What is C3’s response?
“A / If you are in ‘out of control debt’, after your tithe the debt should be your next priority. Reducing the debt to a manageable amount (or even clearing it completely) should be attempted as you also make a manageable gift to Vision Builders. Remember no amount is insignifcant.” – Vision Builders 2011, http://issuu.com/c3churchsydney/docs/vision-builders-2011?AID=10829131&PID=4166869&SID=5mxehuev2ic3, pg. 15.
C3 seems to believe if someone is ‘in out of control debt’ they must tithe, no matter what. Surely this is a typo. Surely they made a mistake. Surely they would fix this?
Even more shocking is that C3 expects the ‘out of control debt’ member after their tithe, to not only start trying to reduce their debt, but SHOULD be attempting to ‘make a managebale gift to Vision Builders. Remember no amount is insignificant’.
Clearly C3 stuffed up. Surely they did not mean this. This sounds cruel. How can a church demand someone tithe if they are in out of control debt AND expect a manageable gift to Vision Builders?
We will now look at the 2010 Vision Builder Brochure.
2010 VISION BUILDERS BROCHURE
C3 Church has another online name at ISSUU. So lets go back to the main page. (This is the link in case you lost it: http://issuu.com/c3churchsydney/docs/vision-builders-2011?AID=10829131&PID=4166869&SID=5mxehuev2ic3.) Go up to the search bar (that has the button it’s right saying ‘Search issuu’) and type in C3 Church’s other online name ‘C3ChurchOnline’. Click the ‘Search issuu’ and this page should load: http://issuu.com/search?q=C3ChurchOnline.
Click on the link ‘C3 Church Vision Builders’. You will be taken to this page: http://issuu.com/c3churchonline/docs/visionbuilders_web. (Observe the date this was uploaded: ‘June 17, 2010’.)
“I AM IN SIGNIFICANT DEBT, SHOULD I PAY OFF MY DEBTS OR GIVE TO VISION BUILDERS?
If you are in ‘out of control debt’, after your tithe the debt should be your next priority. Reducing the debt to a manageable amount (or even clearing it completely) should be done before signicant commitments are made to Vision Builder.” – Vision Builders 2010, http://issuu.com/c3churchonline/docs/visionbuilders_web, pg. 10.
FROM WORSE TO WORST
In 2010, C3 said that you must pay your tithe before getting out of significant debt. In 2011, C3 added MORE requirements for their members in ‘out of control debt’. Members in ‘out of control debt’ not only had to tithe, they were expected to ‘make a managable gift to Vision Builders. Remember no amount is insignificant’.
IS C3 INCOMPETENT IN OFFERING GOOD FINANCIAL ADVICE?
Equally disturbing is C3 Church’s approach to finances in these pages.
What we have done below is compiled a condensed version of all the advice they are providing on correct financial giving.
Confused? Is this intentional? These C3 brochures contradict themselves completely in their financial advice. How can C3 say, “the Bible instructs people to tithe the first 10% of income to the church” but then say “there is no pressure for anyone, new or old to give”?
Is this approach to giving biblical?
No. C3 above are mishandling the scriptures Malachi 3:10 and Matthew 23:23. These scriptures will be addressed in latter C3ChurchWatch articles to come. This is because C3 often uses these specific scriptures to justify their false tithe doctrine.
It then begs the question: How can someone use common sense, God’s Word, wisdom, facts, ‘faith’ and realistic decision-making skills, to determine what they give when it is expected that ‘out of control debt’ C3 members are to give 10% of what they don’t have- AND then go above and beyond the tithe by giving something like everyone else?
Isn’t this manipulation? Is this purposely confusing?
If you go examine the first thumbnail image in this post, it is worth noting that the link to ‘Vision Builders’ is under the heading ‘COMMUNITY’. On C3’s website Phil Pringle is campaigning C3’s ‘Family Matters’ seminar, ‘RELATE Relationships Month’ and is still promoting his series ‘I LIKE PEOPLE’. Observing how Pringle treats the financially desperate in his congregation leading up to his Vision Builders campaign, is this insight as to why he is target marketing families with ‘love’?
Would you trust a church and the pastor that financially exploits the poorest people in their congregation like this?
Note: All screen grabs were taken on the 04/10/2011.
EDIT (08/06/2012): SOME BETTER QUALITY SCREEN GRABS WERE RETAKEN ON THE 08/06/2012.