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Scriptures say,
“… we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming.” Ephesians 4:14
Pringle says in his below advert to his church.
“Above all I feel that it’s really important to feed his sheep. And the food for God’s flock is the Word of God. It’s not my thoughts or anything else. It’s the scriptures being brought to life. And that feeds God’s people and builds the church. I think most of the discipling processes, most of the growing processes, most of God speaking to people, etc. even supernatural ministry, can take place through the preaching of God’s Word.” – Phil Pringle, SUNDAY NIGHT CHURCH // DOORS OPEN 5.30pm , Youtube,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZILrlQNqMw,
Uploaded by CCCOF on Dec 6, 2011.
It is clear that he is either double-minded on this issue or lying.
Pringle says this truth:
“… if we find ourselves trying to find Scriptures to validate pet theories we are attracted to, we may compromise the power of the Gospel… This approach to Scripture is dangerous. It is a bag of mixed seed.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 213.
However, Pringle promotes that he and others should preach a bag of mixed seed.
“What we preach is what we get. We are farmers sowing seed. If we are unhappy with the harvest we’re reaping, we should sow different seed. If we want different results, we preach different messages.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 215.
Pringle has made it obvious that he comes with a mindset, an agenda to get what he wants from his congregation. From knowing he has an agenda, it is right to conclude that sometimes Pringle, “feeds God’s people” to get what he wants from them. This is manipulation. And Pringle will tell you,
“I don’t approach Sundays with an attitude of, “What message shall I preach?” but rather, “What do we want to achieve in our church at this time?” That desired end result determines what and how I preach. Then, within the particular message, I ask myself, “What am I trying to achieve here? What one thing am I attempting to say? What do I want these people to have or do at the end of this time?’
Then I follow the plan.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, pg. 234.
In other words, he doesn’t trust the bible. He doesn’t trust the Word of God enough to open it and just let the text speak for itself. Pringle says,
“Words and deeds are seeds we sow. As a leader I soften the soil (the hearts) of the people I lead. I remove weeds and pests from the young plant. I arrange the weather, warm, sunny, watery encouragement. Then I harvest the crop fully grown.” – Phil Pringle, The Leadership Files Vol 2, File 38. Seeds, 2002.
In the above quotes, Pringle says it is HIMSELF that preaches. It is him who gives what he wants to get people to do what he wants. How can he say in the video, “And the food for God’s flock is the Word of God. It’s not my thoughts or anything else. It’s the scriptures being brought to life”?
It get’s worse, as Pringle says,
“Often I haven’t even got any idea at all what I’m going to talk about cos I spend most my week gearing up for Sunday morning… So I leave myself kind of free for whatever the Lord wants to lay on my heart for Sunday night.” – Phil Pringle, Your Best Life: 11:05-12:10, 31/01/2009.
With that in mind, the entire video comes across like a facade than an actual portrayal of how Pringle prepares many of his sermons. This is hypocrisy. Jesus said,
“So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.” – Matthew 6:2
In calling the religious leaders hypokritēs, (ὑποκριτής), Jesus is calling them the “actor, stage player, a dissembler, pretender”. This is exactly how Pringle is behaving in this instance in the above video. He is acting. He is pretending. This isn’t humility. This isn’t honesty. He has the stage. He has got his show.
It should be clear that Pringle:
1. Does not feed his sheep.
2. Preaches messages that are based on his own vain philosophies.
3. Does not rely on the Word of God to disciple Christians and grow Christians.
4. Does not rely on the Word of God to speak to Christians.
Sadly, he has continually demonstrated his ability to mangle and pervert the teachings of God for his own gain. Pringle has a track record of being biblically incompetent. The article below is continually being updated on C3’s bad handling of the bible:
If you feel led to pray for Phil Pringle and the C3 Movement, please do so.
“What am I trying to achieve here? What one thing am I attempting to say? What do I want these people to have or do at the end of this time?’”
Could it regularly, be :-
Trying to extract money from the sheeple.
Attempting to tell them to part with money eg for a new jet.
I want them to put their hands in their pockets at the end of the service.
This is a type of pyschology and brain washing.
Note he doesn’t say “what is God saying to the people”.
Dib and Jeremy there are people who read Jake’s blog and we think he is doing a great work exposing pulpit pimps. As for me, you can read my testimony, which jake has on his site. You will see that I was at AOG , Sydneham, when the Pringles were saved. As for you guys,…There is nothing so dumb as a stubborn sheeple whose eyes are blocked to truth.
point by point
> Scriptures say,
>
> “… we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried
> about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful
> scheming.” Ephesians 4:14
>
> Pringle says in his below advert to his church.
>
> “Above all I feel that it’s really important to feed his sheep. And the food for God’s
> flock is the Word of God. It’s not my thoughts or anything else. It’s the scriptures
> being brought to life. And that feeds God’s people and builds the church. I think
> most of the discipling processes, most of the growing processes, most of God
> speaking to people, etc. even supernatural ministry, can take place through the
> preaching of God’s Word.” – Phil Pringle, SUNDAY NIGHT CHURCH // DOORS
> OPEN 5.30pm , Youtube,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZILrlQNqMw,
> Uploaded by CCCOF on Dec 6, 2011.
>
> It is clear that he is either double-minded on this issue or lying.
you say: we should not be distracted by poor doctrine
he says: preaching the word of God, feeds the church
you then say he is double minded or lying.
Once again, you’ve failed to explain how you got from point A to point B.
Phil thinks the discipling process happens through the preaching of the word.
I happen to disagree with his ‘focus’ and prefer a more holistic approach to discipling… but its never clear how you think he is being double minded…
so then. clearly slander on your behalf
> “So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the
> hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by
> men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.” – Matthew 6:2
>
> In calling the religious leaders hypokritēs, (ὑποκριτής), Jesus is calling them the
> “actor, stage player, a dissembler, pretender”. This is exactly how Pringle is
> behaving in this instance in the above video. He is acting. He is pretending. This
> isn’t humility. This isn’t honesty.
nice one. way to take a scripture about ‘public pride in giving’ and use it to condemn another.
Whether you mean to or not, using that scripture suggests that you are referring to Phil as one who shouts about his giving, to the world. At least you could have the decency to say that- rather than shrewdly implying it (shrewdly? or naively?)
> This is exactly how Pringle is behaving in this instance in the above video.
Really? that may be your opinion… but at least say that its your opinion. Don’t hide behind calling it a ‘fact’. This is the sort of sensationalist journalism i expect from sydney morning herald…
above all, acting; in the words of many prominent thespians, is actually all about portraying truth.
I see the honesty in the quote youve mentioned where Phil says “ive got a rubber head most my life, i don’t even know what i’m saying half the time”
I find this sometimes when i’m praying for people, or prophesying-
you still see yourself as an investigative journalist uncovering conspiracy and hypocrisy….
remember the words of Gamaliel in Acts…
If its of God. you cannot fight it.
If its not, you cannot hold it up.
Neither of these things require action. Our action is to love and to discern with those in front of us.
I am firmly convinced that ‘Discernment Ministries’ are of the Devil.
and now i’m going to use the ‘the accuser appears as an angel of light’ biblical reference to back myself up- in the style you are accustomed to.
Nowhere does Christ set up a discernment ministry, or create a newspaper of half a dozen journals with no direction or goals, (other than the tearing down of a church- pretty sure tearing down churches is not our job)
Jeremy says “I am firmly convinced that ‘Discerment Ministries’ are of the Devil.”
Paul’s commendation of the Bereans? Sounds like he was praising their discernment.
Let’s look at some history of “discernment ministries” starting with the bible.The apostles themselves were involved in challenging the claims and doctrines of various “teachers”.
Galatians, a whole epistle dedicated to refuting the Galatian heresies of a Jewish sect.
1John 2:19, John countering early proto-gnosticism.
We can skip over many centuries, though there were many men fighting the good fight of “discernment” as great apologists – Irenaeus, Tertullian, Hippolytus, John Wesley, Jonathon Edwards.
B.B. Warfield, Walter Martin etc etc etc
.
Proper theology is the bedrock of discernment. Biblical theology teaches, whether anyone likes it or not, that men are to be pastors and elders and that they are to be examples of righteousness and strength. Likewise, God nowhere promises us health and wealth. If anything, he tells us that we will be persecuted for righteousness sake (Matt. 5:10-12).
“Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good,” (1 Thess. 5:21).”
Jeremy says “Nowhere does Christ set up a discernment ministry…..”
With respect, I’ll take it you understand Jesus is the Word made flesh.
Deut 32:27-29 ESV “Had I not feared provocation by the enemy, lest their adversaries should misunderstand, lest they should say, ‘Our hand is triumphant, it was not the Lord who did all this’.For they are a nation void of counsel, and there is no understanding in them. If they were wise, they would understand this; THEY WOULD DISCERN THEIR LATTER END”.
1 John 4:1 ESV “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but TEST THE SPIRITS to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world”
Hebrews 5:14 ESV “But solid food is for the mature, FOR THOSE WHO HAVE THEIR POWERS OF DISCERNMENT trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil”
There are at least 28+ more examples of Jesus’ “discernment ministry” given to us in His Word. We would do well to heed them……..
Jeremy says ……..
“remember the words of Gamaliel in Acts…”
“If its of God. you cannot fight it.
If its not, you cannot hold it up.”
“Neither of these things require action. Our action is to love and to discern with those in front of us.”
Yes, let’s look at Acts 5:21-42 because context is important. (As we read about Gamaliel, we see in commentaries that he was the most noted rabbi of his time, leading the liberal faction of the Pharisees – Saul/Paul being his most famous student).
Jeremy, you quote a verse but how important is it, when set back in its context? Including your quoted verse, let’s add the next few, and ask “is this love, is this inaction”?
Acts 5 “39 ……but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them. You might even be found opposing God!” So they took his advice, 40 and when they had called in the apostles, they beat them and charged them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go. 41 Then they left the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for the name. 42 And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they did not cease teaching and preaching that the Christ is Jesus.” ESV
We see Gamaliel being heeded by the Sanhedrin but, based on his knowledge of Scripture, Gamaliel should have been more decisive and less “pragmatic” about accepting Jesus as the risen Messiah.
Was Gamaliel practicing that “love” you speak of, when the context of the whole text is presented……
This is why it is so important not to “cherry-pick” scriptures to make a point.
I will even point to myself and say my “discernment” scripture references at 10:58 pm need to be put in their context. However I have no doubt their meaning is valid even when read within their context.🙂