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If you want a preview how manipulative the Presence Conference is, listen to Phil Pringle giving his Miracle Offering sermon below (2011).
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Bring your checkbooks and credit cards. Go into debt to prosper Phil. He receives the miracle of the dumb sheeple being so dumb to believe his pulpit pimping!
you guys are morons, who authorizes your ministry? Don’t say God, Even Jesus submitted to John the Baptist for public validation of His ministry. What fruit are you producing in lives changed and lives saved? repent of your wickedness, you have allowed a bitter root to ‘infect’ your vision.
You sound offended????? If c3 are not open to questioning they’re teachings…..then I question they’re truth & stability?
The fruit that is rotten in c3 & abusing vulnerable people WILL COME out in the light xxin Jesus precious name we pray
“you guys are morons, who authorizes your ministry?”
The Bible says: ‘Jesus entered the temple courts, and, while he was teaching, the chief priests and the elders of the people came to him. “By what authority are you doing these things?” they asked. “And who gave you this authority?”‘
The opponents of Jesus were full of their own importance, were under the influence of religious spirits, and they acted out of pride and self-righteousness in the absolute certainty that they were correct.
It seems like you’re in good company, Bazza.
@ bazza – Thanks for your input.
Having given your comment due consideration, applied the biblical mandate of testing all things, (1 John 4:1 “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world”) and being like the Bereans who checked even the Apostle Paul against the scriptures (Acts 17:11 “….examining the scriptures daily to see if these things were so), I consider myself authorized, having been (2 Timothy 2;15)”diligent to present myself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth”
@ bazza – there are many people who claim to speak for God, presenting a false gospel that has no power to save. This kind of errant teaching leaves people with a false hope of salvation and, sadly, inoculating them from the true message of the sovereign grace of God.
People who are deceived into thinking everything is fine will be more resistant to the truth. The bible alone is the standard (on this blog especially) by which all truth should be judged.
If you wish to present scripture, in context, to prove otherwise, we welcome your comments.
@ bazza – some teaching on spiritual maturity……
http://www.letterofmarque.us/2012/05/spiritual-maturity-defined-by-scripture.html
I could not listen to any more of this video collection.I’m only interested in the righteousness that comes from god and is by faith in JESUS CHRIST.So i too have put my faith in CHRIST JESUS that i may be justified by faith in CHRIST and not by observing the law because by observing the law no one will be justified.Law justifying messages only bring about vanity.
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I press to watch the short film & it comes up ‘this video is private’ INTERESTING
That was an error on our behalf. They are now set to unlisted. You can now view the videos. This ons is particularly bad. We have fully critiqued this miracle offering sermon.
You will notice that Phil Pringle encourages desperate people to empty their bank account.
I was one of the people who received my miracle and am thankful for the support and teaching that C3, Ps Phil and Chris and my local church have provided over the years. I feel very sad that you seem to have been so hurt in the past and have not let go of it that you feel the need to tear down and hold so much bitterness towards those trying to make a difference in this broken world.
The bible speaks of love, forgiveness, patience and grace for others, do you not believe these things? Are you perfect?
I pray a softness over your heart instead of whats there.
Did God give you the miracle for free or did Pringle put a price on it?
The miracle was Gods gift and blessing, not a fee to be paid. My offering was a step of faith and obedience to God that was facilitated by C3 at Presence.
Why are you so set out to pull others down?
Can you please explain what you mean by “step of faith”?
How do you know what you did was obedient?
Who/What told you what you did was obedient?
How did C3 Presence Conference facilitate you in gaining this miracle?
We hope you answer your question as we intend to answer yours.
“Why are you so set out to pull others down?”
2 Corinthians 10:5-6
We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ, being ready to punish every disobedience, when your obedience is complete.
Just as Paul was dealing with the frauds and the Super Apostles in the church of Corinth, so too are we commanded to imitate him and deal with the frauds like Phil Pringle, Brian Houston, Louie Giglio, J John in todays church.
I’d love you to answer some of my earlier questions if you wouldn’t mind….
‘The bible speaks of love, forgiveness, patience and grace for others, do you not believe these things? Are you perfect?’
Regardless of which church or denomination we are apart of none are perfect or will have it 100% right as we all have our own world views and perspectives that alter how we see and interpret things. Jesus was perfect and even he didn’t cast the first stone, so why do you feel you have the right?
It’s up to each of us to pray, read the bible and make decisions on what we do and don’t do and we are each responsible for the choices we make. Why do you feel it’s up to you to sway what people think and decide to do?
It does not seem like you are merely offering an opinion or trying to give people optional advice but have a intense grief against C3…..so what caused you to respond in such a way?
There are so many other genuine errors going on in the world like human trafficking, why not use your energies in to making a change there?
“The bible speaks of love, forgiveness, patience and grace for others, do you not believe these things?”
We operate within the biblical definitions of love, forgiveness, patience and grace and believe these things. However, many people raised in the C3 and Hillsong cults have had these popular words redefined so that they do not judge or critically discern the differences between the biblical definitions and worldly definitions. So what ‘Christians’ see on this site comes across as foreign behaviour.
Can we encourage you to do your own bible study on these words? Recently, Brian Houston spoke on faith at Presence Conference. He referenced Walt Disney’s “faith” to see his cartoon empire come to pass. Is this the Christian definition of “faith”? Is the object of our faith the desires of our heart?
Thanks for your response.
I regularly do my own study and come to my own conclusions. My question still stands why you feel it is your responsibility to label such great churches as cults and pull down it’s people? What happened to make you so intent on such a path?
Have you studied theology at length and have a more holistic understanding that promotes your opinions above other? Before I can take on board anything you are saying I’m keen to understand the intent.
I’m confident with the intent of my Pastor and Ps Phil and Chris. Please elaborate on yours.
“What happened to make you so intent on such a path?”
We have seen immoral and unethical behaviour behind the scenes of the C3 church movement that involve the C3 church leadership. We are surprised the scandals within the C3 and Hillsong movements that have been made public have not alerted Christians to question what these institutions are built on.
Therefore, if Christ and his Apostles would not tolerate such disgraceful and wicked behaviour in these ‘churches’, what makes you think we wish to rebel against their written instruction?
It is impossible to love Christ and his church if Christian men and women remain silent on these cults. Therefore, we dare not cheapen God’s grace, love and truth by ignoring such blasphemous behaviour in these places. We are trying to make sure that the wider church sees just how irresponsible and unloving these cults really are.
“My question still stands why you feel it is your responsibility to label such great churches as cults and pull down it’s people?”
It is even your Christian responsibility to search for the truth, defend the truth and expose wickedness with the truth. If the truth exposes these places as cults, then it is your responsibility to be vocal against false institutes that hurt vulnerable people. Prove to us they are not.
Hillsong and C3 are cults because they counterfeit the Christian faith by using just enough Christian language to smuggle their own philosophies, schemes and grow their nepotistic business-like empires. They are no different to the abusive Roman Catholic Church, JWs and Mormon religions.
We would encourage you to research the origin of the Word of Faith movements. Please pull out your bible and examine what people like Brian Houston and Phil Pringle reference in the bible and then examine to see if what they are saying is true or false.
We pray that your love for God, His Word and His Church gives you the fire to undertake this important task. Please test what they say against the scriptures.
You are yet to answer my question of your intent or why you feel it’s up to you.
I can’t agree with you. So we will have to agree to disagree!
“You are yet to answer my question of your intent or why you feel it’s up to you.”
We answered your question: because it’s the Christian thing to do.
“I can’t agree with you. So we will have to agree to disagree!”
No. This is something we cannot afford to disagree with. You either stand with Christ and His church or you stand with these cults and are against Him.
Did you actually listen to the above audio in this article? How can you listen to Phil Pringle encourage people to empty their bank accounts to receive a miracle?
“Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.” – Jesus, Matt 12:30
You are either a sheep who hear God’s Word or you’re a goat that eats any rubbish from any man. Please seek the Lord in these last days. Pray that no man deceives you. Keep going to God’s Word and makes sure your fear is in Christ alone – not in man. We wish you know spiritual harm.
Perhaps you could point me in the direction of a perfect church with no problems or broken people with any issues.
“Perhaps you could point me in the direction of a perfect church”
Oh! So according to you, they exist? We’ve never taught or stated that anyone anywhere should find that elusive perfect church. We hope that people leave the C3 and Hillsong cults and find faithful churches.
However, if you want to attend a cult that attacks Christ and his church – that is your decision.
We’ve pointed you to the bible. Read it. Jesus and His Apostles teach us to press on into the maturity and fullness of Christ. These cults teach you to press on to fulfill your dreams, destiny and visions that will only send you to hell.
Stop peddling mantras from these workers of iniquity and start contending for the faith once and for all delivered to the saints. You do not want to be involved with men who oppose Christ and His church. It is not wise to ignore God’s Word on this important issue.
We sincerely pray that you work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
You seem very passionate but I’m still not sure why you feel you are called to be judge and jury, is it not Gods place to judge? You say you are trying to direct people back to the bible but it is most certainly not how you are presenting your opinions.
Where do you get your information on all the various issues? Have you been present or is it hear say from others? Are you relying on possibly tainted information that has someone else’s interpretation?
You know nothing about me but choose to assume I’m ignorant of the scriptures and what they say. You assume because I do not agree that I’m lost and am being led astray…..
You make many bold statements and back them up with snippets of scripture but yet you still have not answered many of my questions.
You are very quick to point the finger but I’m yet understand what caused you to go down this path.
I will not trust anyone’s opinions when there true motive is not clear and transparent.
Yvonne, surely in the past you have intervened/tried to intervene when you saw someone getting lied to or being taken advantage of, even if you didn’t know them personally. That is your conscience, your God-given desire for justice.
Have you heard the saying “the Gospel is a beggar telling another beggar where to find bread”? In a way this website (and others like it who address other churches’ false teachings) is “a beggar telling another beggar where NOT to get their bread because the store owner is negligent, selling you damaged and out-of-date products, a scam-artist, even poisoning the bread so you might die if you don’t stop buying it….”
Trying to rescue others you can see are getting hurt – even if they’re kicking and screaming against you because they don’t understand what’s going on (yet) – should be something that is *growing* in a Christian’s nature. It is disappointing that *still* so many people like yourself do not seem to understand that to love your neighbour sometimes it means you need to tell them the very unpleasant truth.
Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.
6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
Thank you for your responses.
I appreciate that you are very passionate about what you believe but I can not in my own good conscience agree with you or your approach. Whether it is the intent or not, it just comes across as vindictive and nasty and not with a shepherds heart.
As a counsellor, I know there are many ways to love and help people and I don’t see this as the most productive way at all.
I believe the word of God completely and will continue to walk with God and his teachings all my days and if I see a wrong I will pray and speak up.
I pray Gods will done on earth as it is in Heaven for all concerned.
“As a counsellor, I know there are many ways to love and help people and I don’t see this as the most productive way at all.”
Then we hope that you come across those abused by these institutions and help them get their lives back together. Healing is very important.
So what type of church do you attend?