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Pringle says,
“Do you know a transaction takes place the moment you receive spiritual life, one half of it comes into you, one half of the transaction is that truth coming into you, and to activate that truth, I have no doubt about this, that we actually have got to return the same kind of honour, the same kind of impact its had back on us, back to that servant of God. Paul says if I have ministered to you spiritual things its a small matter that you would minister to me in in natural things carnal things like money, he says its a comparison though, the comparison is is is very hard to make he says between a spiritual quality and a natural thing, but he says the reason that that transaction has to happen is for it to trigger the impact of grace in your life, to trigger the impact of this message in your life, ’cause we can hear it and go away with information, or else we can go out of this place with a revelation that’s deep in our spirit, and one of the ways we make that happen is by blessing the vessel that its come to us through.” – Phil Pringle, C3 Oxford Falls, (1:05), 08/04/2012.
Pringle says we should give money to a leader to “trigger the impact of grace” in our lives. How is that grace? Isn’t this buying ‘grace’? In response to Pringle’s love offering sermon, Pastor Gervase Charmley gave this response:
I am tempted to imitate Martyn Lloyd-Jones at this point and reply with the word “rubbish!” *I am quite certain that is what he would have said reading this. What we have here is an example of a false conclusion, or rather a text dragged in and misapplied to give apparent support to that which is unsupported. The ‘transaction’ Pringle is teaching is no-where found in the Scriptures, it is an invention of man. It is not even based on an actual Bible text, but a mis-quotation of Romans 15:27, which is in fact talking about helping poor Christians in Jerusalem. These poor Christians belonged to the Jewish Church which first sent out the Gospel to the Gentiles, and therefore made those Gentiles “partakers of their spiritual things”. Now that those Christians were suffering poverty and need, it was only right that the Gentiles should “minister to them in material things.” The text is not even saying what Pringle says it does!
Now, in 1 Corinthians 9:11 (which Pringle seems to have conflated with the Romans passage in his mind), Paul does say, “If we have sown spiritual things for you, is it a great thing if we reap your material things?” This is part of an extended section in which Paul is talking about is the undoubted responsibility of the Church to support the ministry of the word (in a reasonable and proportionate way; no man ever got rich by being a Baptist Pastor, as I have often said, and that is how it should be, says he who is a Baptist pastor). It is notable that there he does not talk about missed blessings, or anything in any way corresponding to the idea that we have to so give “to trigger the impact of grace.” Indeed, for Paul to say that we have to do such a thing would be utterly repugnant. Grace is God’s initiative, it not something we have to ‘trigger’ in its impact or anything else. You will look in vain for such an idea in 1 Corinthians 9, which is merely an exhortation for the Church to support the ministry of the word.
The majority of what is being said is, I am afraid, best described by Shakespeare, “Like a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” It is merely a way to try to get people to give more money, by promising that if they do they will receive a special revelation. To return to the Doctor, “Rubbish!”
“The majority of what is being said is, I am afraid, best described by Shakespeare, “Like a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” It is merely a way to try to get people to give more money, by promising that if they do they will receive a special revelation. To return to the Doctor, “Rubbish!”
Well said. That sums it up brilliantly!
Phil Pringle has sunk to a new low.
Not only should members of his congregation “tithe”, not only should they give above and beyond that in terms of additional offerings, they now face an additional impost that is nothing more than a “pay per view” fee for sermons (the contents of which are absolute twaddle in any case). Perhaps Phil should get a job with the Australian Tax Office.
He is either deceived or he is a deceiver; if it’s the former he is in strife, if it’s the latter he is in big strife, but either way it’s obvious that his conscience has been seared with a hot iron. My prayer is that he repents, because if he doesn’t he’s going to get a very, very rude awakening on the day that he is called to give account to God.
Pringle and Houston in Australia along with Tamaki in NZ have created a taxfree empire preying on peoples fear.
How he can aak for speaking taxes to be rendered when his and Houstons among others pays no tax on what they take beg or steal by questionable means.
Funny that tithing never became a big issue until Dennis Barton and Peter Morrow started to accuse folk of stealing from God who did not tithe and we know that Pringle was the annointed one of Dennis and his main advisor Babra Barton.
Oh the damage the creeps on for generations
Well said. I am appalled at what is going on at ‘The Presence Experience’ as Laura defined it on stage with Pringle when announcing the winner of next years ‘presence’ conference free ‘package’ including 4 nights accommodation and I think $300 spending money and whatever else:( grr
Reminds of those signs you see on billboards in the States……
“Why is it that you think I’m running a protection racket?” God
BASICALLY ALL THE PULPIT PIMPS SCRATCH EACH OTHERS BACK. By encouraging the sheeple to be fleeced by Bevere Pringle is actually helping himself. When he speaks at bevere’s church, then Bevere will encourage the sheeple to give to Pringle. So much for …”Freely you have received, freely give”. No pulpit pimp freely gives the word.
Paul also talked about ‘not being like the other apostle’s’ in the fact that when he went from town to town he used his building skills to earn his own way. He did not want to give people any distraction from the Word of God or to think of him less (for charging for the gospel). God’s grace is ‘triggered’ by our humility when we can ‘come into the throne room of God in times of need and find mercy and grace’ (Heb 4:16).
To say that God needs my money to trigger His grace is like the Catholics selling ‘indulgences’. Google it and you may appreciate the history. Solomon did say ‘There is nothing new under the sun’ (Ecc 1:9)
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