Tags
bridgeman downs, c3, c3 church, c3 church global, c3 global, c3 international, c3global, ccc, ccc church, ccc church of, ccc sydney, cccof, diploma mill, doctorate, dyson, kevin, Kevin Dyson, National Director of Australia for C3 Church Global, New Covenant, New Covenant International University, prosperity, prosperity gospel, University
Christians need to realise that New Covenant International University is NOT an accredited educational institution. Sze Zeng explains the ramifications of ministers who go through this unaccredited institution.
“This is a legal religious educational institution in the state of Florida in the USA. The Florida Statutes 1005.6 (f) states that, “A religious college may operate without governmental oversight”.
That means you can start up an university to teach black magic in Florida as long as the rules in Statutes 1005.6 is followed. You can give out Ph.D in Voodoo or Ph.D in Bomoh, if you like. Though being legally instituted by the state of Florida, that alone does not guarantee the recognition of the institution’s degrees in other states of the USA and other countries. Such recognition comes through ‘accreditation’. That means the master’s degrees and doctorates provided by institutions which are accredited and those which are not are qualitatively different.
The accreditation body that guarantees the quality of higher education in Florida is the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools. Theological seminaries and Christian universities like Asbury Theological Seminary and Baylor University are accredited by the body. And New Covenant International University & Theological Seminary is not in the accreditation list.
Simply said, those without accreditation is free to grant degrees without ensuring academic competency and so the certificates are not recognized. The implication is that those people who got their degrees and doctorates from unaccredited institutions cannot use the title “Dr.” in their referent, or even if they use it, it is a fake “Dr.”, like calling a woman without a child under her care as “mother”.”
With this in mind, Sze Zeng says,
“Now you may be wondering why am I highlighting the New Covenant International University & Theological Seminary. That is because the institution’s president Kevin Dyson was here earlier this year giving a series of talks on relationship at City Harvest Church. And lo and behold, our local charismatic Kong Hee‘s Master of Divinity (M.Div) and Doctor of Theology (D.Th) are from Dyson’s institution. If he really wants a good quality theological education degree, he can get them from local seminaries and theological colleges. There are plenty which are accredited here. Don’t have to get from a dubious institution in Florida. But if he prefer overseas degrees, he should opt for places like Asbury or Baylor.”
(Source: http://szezeng.blogspot.com.au/2009/12/new-covenant-international-university.html, (Accessed: 22/04/2012).)
So Who Is Gordon Moore?
Gordon Moore has this to say about himself (emphasis mine):
“Gordon and Jo Moore are the founders and Senior Ministers of C3 Church Bridgeman Downs and serve as Executive Members and the National Directors of Australia for C3 Church Global.
Over the last 30 years Gordon has served as a Senior Minister, evangelist, and missionary, teaching and preaching throughout the world. He has authored numerous books, articles, and resources.
Gordon is not only qualified in ministry but also in education. He is a qualified teacher with a Diploma and Certificate in Teaching (NZ), and a Certificate IV in Assessment and Workplace Training (Qld). He also holds a Doctor of Philosophy in Bible Theology (USA).
In 1986 Gordon and Jo, with their four children, migrated to Australia and founded C3BD in Brisbane, which has developed into a growing, impacting church. C3BD runs many community activities and the Ignition Training College.
Gordon and Jo’s passion is to build strong local churches that are relevant and successfully reaching the unchurched.”
(Source: Gordon & Jo Moore, http://oceaniaconvention.com/speakers/pastor-gordon-moore/, (Accessed: 22/04/2012).)
Does the fact that Dr. Moore “holds a Doctor of Philosophy in Bible Theology (USA)” raise eyebrows? The institution where he got his doctorate is also the New Covenant International University, Florida USA in the year 2000. They have their old address:
New Covenant International University
7255 South Military Trail
Lake Worth, FL 33463
Main Phone: 561.965.3132
Financial Aid: 561.965.3132
Admissions: 561.965.3132
Website: www.newcovenant.edu
Chief Administrator: Dr. Kevin Dyson, President
Check for street views of the area around: New Covenant International University
(Source: http://www.schoolfinder.us/?r=college&s=FL&a1=442541, Accessed: 22/04/2012, (Accessed 22/04/2012).)
This is the same place Phil Pringle (friends of Kevin Dyson), got his doctorate in 1999.
Is Doctor Phil Pringle Really a Doctor?
You can see Gordon Moore advertising Kevin Dyson’s New Covenant International University where he got his Doctor of Philosophy in Bible Theology, on his Facebook wall.
“New Covenant International University, Florida USA, 2000
Why does Gordon Moore validate himself as a National Director of Australia for C3 Church Global with this dodgy doctorate? Why do Phil Pringle, Kong Hee and Gordon Moore still use their ‘Dr’ titles when their doctorates are not recognised? Shouldn’t they be more honest?
As someone who has listened to “Dr” Gordon Moore on numerous occasions, this post clears a lot of the haze surrounding this guy. Quite honestly, he comes across like an arrogant a-hole. I guess, in hindsight, it’s a no-brainer that he’s never had any real biblical training given his outrageous comments from the pulpit.
I often wonder if these guys are really qualified to do anything out in the “real world?”
Strip the church away and what would they do? How would they define themselves?
“How would they define themselves?”
Didn’t Phil use to work as a postman? Not much money in that (or fame, for that matter).
No one pays to see a postman to do his work, nor are people keen to read self-help books written by a postman, nor are people impelled to buy “art” just because it’s the work of a postman. And postmen aren’t globe-trotters who pontificate about whether a private jet would be helpful in discharging their duties – they have to settle for a 90cc Honda motorbike.
There’s just no comparison is there? It makes me wonder if any of these “uber-pastors” ever awake in a cold sweat from some nightmare where God has removed them from their position of supposedly tending the sheep. I think money is a little bit tighter for the mega-churches since the GFC kicked in – maybe that’s why some of the C3OF pastors are looking a little drawn and washed out – haggard, even – and why they are sounding ever more strident in their demands for money.
This guy really is a right knob-end. His website is: http://drgordonmoore.com/
Pretty funny website for a guy with a fake doctorate!
Good point Bill…It’s like they realise they are unemployable and they can see easy money in a C3 franchise. It seems like a vacumn is created by C3, like a whirlwind and guys like false Dr Moore will inevitably be sucked into the vortex.
Gary – his website is pretty funny, at least I had a good laugh. Lots of videos there where he asks rhetorical questions like “Is Giving to Charity Tithing?” He concludes his nonsensical answers by smiling and condescendingly adding: “…have a great day.”
To add to the above post.It’s win , win for Pringle. Because of the false doctrine of tithing he can fleece the franchise of 10% of all takings.
Kong Hee seems to have removed his ‘educational’ details from his Website. Is there any where else to obtain such information?
Yes there is,
The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters
Theatrical release poster
Directed by Seth Gordon
Produced by Ed Cunningham
Luis Lopez
J. Clay Tweel
Beau Bauman
Ross Tuttle
Starring Steve Wiebe
Billy Mitchell
Walter Day
Brian Kuh
Todd Rogers
Steve Sanders
Doris Self
Music by Craig Richey
Cinematography Ross Tuttle
Editing by Jim Bruce
J. Clay Tweel
Distributed by Picturehouse
Dendy Cinemas
Release date(s) United States:
August 17, 2007
Australia:
February 28, 2008
Running time 79 minutes
Country United States
Language English
Box office $790,128[1]
The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters is a 2007 American documentary film that follows Steve Wiebe as he tries to take the world high score for the arcade game Donkey Kong from reigning champion Billy Mitchell. The film premiered January 22, 2007, at the 2007 Slamdance Film Festival[2] and has been shown at the Newport Beach Film Festival, the Seattle International Film Festival, the SXSW Film Festival, the TriBeCa Film Festival, the True/False Film Festival, the Aspen Comedy Festival, and the Fantasia Festival. The film opened in limited release in the United States on August 17, 2007 in five theaters, and by September 9, 2007, the film had expanded to 39 theaters in the U.S.[3]
The film’s original title was simply The King of Kong but later received the subtitle A Fistful of Quarters. A scripted film adaptation is already in the works. Director Seth Gordon has said that the movie might be a sequel instead of a remake, telling the story of how the documentary changed both men’s lives, as well as their continuing rivalry.[4] The film’s DVD release was on January 29, 2008.[5]
OOPS!
Let man of God serve God and God alone.Let man of world serve Money n mention not name of God.How come people can not see through their lifestyle n wearing and message and define a true God servant or a Conman.
Fellow workers can’t.because they are paid to obey.good pay n receivers mouth are tight otherwise they will be out of the games and who will feed their family or support them.
I worked with people like that befor,and I have kids and wife to feed. I know how faith had been destroy when baby has to drink milk and daily meals need to met.
Instead of trusting God I compromised n find excuse or grey area to comfort myself.
May God have mercy upon me.
Wow! God is absolutely amazing What a Great and Mighty God. That he would choose a Postman…….
A Postman…to Deliver his Message….
Kind of ironic isn’t it….Awesome…Thank you God
Luke 6:37
Deuteronomy 5:20,21 :))
“Wow! God is absolutely amazing What a Great and Mighty God. That he would choose a Postman…….
A Postman…to Deliver his Message….
Kind of ironic isn’t it […]”
What’s *really* ironic is the quality of Phil’s “sermons”, if one considers that he also worked as a garbage collector.
We get more “junk mail” than real messages from our postman.
Our pastor?
Delivers the “goods” – week in, week out.
To Zorro:
God chooses his people and he equips them with all they need to do his will. As it says in the bible.
A garbage collector: I guess I would be the garbage then…… which is cool. God wants the meek, the humble…..the poor in spirit
Those who oppress the poor insult his maker, those who help the needy honor him.
No good tree bears bad fruit nor can a bad tree bear good fruit
And last but not least, the bible also says:
With our tongue we bless our Lord and Father, and with it also we(you) curse the people who are made in the likeness of God. These things ought not to be so.
The wisdom that comes down from above is not bitter jealousy or selfish ambition for these things are earthly, Unspiritual and Demonic.
Do not covet what your neighbor has
That our Pastor was a postman and garbage collector……
That our Pastor gained his credentials through an unaccredited institution yet still leads his sheep in the way of the Lord…..
Gives me hope, that I, too, will be well equiped to help lead My God’s people home to him.
Berean: The postman never delivers the junk mail. He may deliver news we would rather not hear, but never junk. There are others who do that. You see them, wandering the streets with their prams etc.
@Nicolelouise,
“God chooses his people […]”.
True. But he didn’t choose Phil Pringle; Phil is no more than an ignorant grandstander; a self-promoting charlatan.
“[…] and he equips them with all they need to do his will.”
True. Have you noticed how singularly lacking Phil Pringle is in gifts, whether spiritual or natural?
“A garbage collector […]”.
Yes, and with Phil it’s a case of GIGO: “garbage in, garbage out”.
“Those who oppress the poor insult his maker, those who help the needy honor him.”
Phil insults the poor by insinuating that they are spiritual failures, and he maintains that those who are needy should obey the OT law of “tithing”. He is preaching a different Gospel which is no Gospel at all. In doing this he dishonours God, and except he repents he will most certainly be judged.
“No good tree bears bad fruit nor can a bad tree bear good fruit”
And Phil’s fruit is rotten to the core. You need look no further than Kong Hee for incontrovertible proof.
“With our tongue we bless our Lord and Father, and with it also we(you) curse the people who are made in the likeness of God.”
Actually it’s Phil who pronounces a curse on others – those he claims are being disobedient by failing to “tithe”. That is a lie, of course – and like a fluttering sparrow or a darting swallow, such an undeserved curse does not come to rest.
Ironically enough, it’s Phil Pringle himself who is under a curse: as it is written “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.”
“That our Pastor gained his credentials through an unaccredited institution yet still leads his sheep in the way of the Lord…..”
He called himself a doctor when he was no such thing, which makes him a liar. Do you know where liars go, Nicolelouise? And his “credentials” are no such thing; he may as well have hung some nicely-framed toilet paper on his wall, or perhaps one of those awful paintings of his.
“Gives me hope, that I, too, will be well equiped to help lead My God’s people home to him.”
Maybe one day, perhaps when you are as spiritually mature as Phil? When you can give a bit more, pray a bit longer, work just a little bit harder, serve the “church” with more zeal, summon up some more “faith” by an act of your will and out of the pathetic frailty of your own sinful flesh?
You really don’t know anything at all, do you?
Ok well,,,, i will apologise for this stupidity.My own fault!
!
Hi guys
Well if I wasn’t supportive of everything that goes on at c3 I wouldn’t have come to this website, and I do agree (to some degree) with concerns people have. It seems a lot of these pastors have these Ph.D’s, but really why do people who aren’t in church get them? To increase their learning, basically to get better jobs and more $$. If that’s the most these guys are doing then why is it so bad?
But one thing I am going to do is stick up for Dr Gordon Moore. Forget the Dr bit if you want. You might think he’s an “a***hole”, “unemployable in the real world”, a money grabber etc. But having gone to his church once for a long time I know he is a decent bloke, his week to week preaching is solid and Bible-based and I don’t have to question his integrity. He did the very hard yards when he was younger with his family, doing missions work and starting c3 in Chermside and Aspley and now to its current site. Whether or not there’s dirt you want to dish up on him is another matter, but having been pretty close to the scene either directly or indirectly in years gone by, I can tell you he is not a fraud and I’d rather listen to him preach that probably anyone else, moreso than Phil Pringle, Brian Houston, anyone. No I don’t completely support prosperity doctrine and tithing and Dr Moore obviously preaches a lot of this to support the church financially, but overall I won’t fault him, and he is definitely not hoarding massive possessions for himself. BTW he did his “thesis” or equivalent on the early Celtic Church and its significance today; I’m sure some people would question the theology but I have heard some of his interpretations based on the early Celtic Church and it is actually theologically sound.
Here here. I, too, prefer to listen to Gordon Moore preach more than anyone else. He is awesome
“If [getting fake PhDs] is the most these guys are doing then why is it so bad?”
Because it makes them frauds, it makes them fakes, it makes them bare-faced *liars*.
But if you think that it’s no bother for a “pastor” to be such things – if you think that it doesn’t show them up as pathetic snivelling wannabes, if you think that they are not sad and hypocritical fools who value the titles of this world more than they care for God’s approval – then yes, maybe it’s not so bad.
Oh my.
Zorro, let your hands teach your heart. Let not the words of your mouth reach your eyes or ears. Let your feet fall softly for the path you have chosen is not just. Truly I fear for the way in which you walk
“Truly I fear for the way in which you walk”.
Your fear is born of ignorance. You need to stop listening to hollow pretenders, and instead start reading your Bible.
“Zorro, let your hands teach your heart. Let not the words of your mouth reach your eyes or ears. Let your feet fall softly for the path you have chosen is not just. Truly I fear for the way in which you walk”
Forgive me Zorro & NicoleLouise, but this did make me laugh. Thought for a moment NicoleLouise was “channeling” President Theodore Roosevelt ….
“Speak softly and carry a big stick”
Seriously though, wasn’t Gordon Moore confronted over his false teaching at a conference a couple of years ago? Churchwatcher, do you know anything about that?
I remember leaders reacting at a Presence Conference where Gordon Moore associated the ‘Power of God’ to filthy lucre. If I remember correctly, it was those leaders who were upset that were frowned upon by C3 leadership.
Gordon Moore is terrible to listen to – so condescending. I think there’s a carrot permanently wedged up his butt.
‘Berean’ ??? You feel you have the right to bear such a name…….
That each and every one of you use a pseudo name says it all and in itself is a witness to your character…………..
Cheers
You’ve run out of ideas very quickly, haven’t you Nicole?
Perhaps the environment in C3 “churches” is not really conducive to developing skills in critical analysis or mounting logical and coherent defences of one’s position. (I guess you normally just run to your “pastors” to do that on your behalf if the need arises).
Anyway, if you want to talk about character, perhaps you should check out the Kong Hee saga. People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, you know.
@ nicolelouise – perhaps we’re related? After all, having a niece with your name, how would I know? Unless you’re prepared to use your full name? Cheers………