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“The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” 2 Thes 2:9-11
Astral projection is,
“an ecstatic . . . mystical or out-of body experience, wherein the spiritual traveller leaves the physical body and travels in his/her subtle body (or dreambody or astral body) into ‘higher’ realms (‘higher’ in the sense that they are of a higher or non-physical vibration). Here it is common to meet 4 beings of light, ancestors, the Dead etc.” – Dr. Roger J. Woolger, Beyond Death: Transition and the Afterlife, Royal College of Psychiatrists, http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/PDF/RWoolgerTransition.pdf. (Accessed 12/08/2012.)
It is important to note that Pringle said he wanted to be like other pastors. Pringle looks up to false teachers like Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, Morris Curello, Benny Hinn and so on. He wanted to be like them by imitating the way they dress and present themselves. It seems that God handed Pringle, “a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” If you think that sounds strong, hear Pringle share his experience here:
He also talks of this experience in his book ‘Moving In The Spirit’,
“What the Holy Spirit was saying to God on my behalf was bold, but even more amazing was His attitude. It seemed as though the Holy Spirit has His hands on His hips and was reminding God of His promises. He was telling God He needed to act. He named some great ministers around the world, reminding God that He has blessed these people, and then He asked, “Now, why not Phil Pringle too? He was pleading on my behalf telling God that I was entitled to be blessed as they were! “So Lord, do it now!” was the Spirit’s bold request. It sounded like a demand.” – Phil Pringle, Moving in the Spirit, pg. 58.
But Jesus the Holy Spirit says this in regards to the Holy Spirit:
“. . . when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you.” John 16:13-14
What do you think?
Mr Ordinary said:
Ah, this is just so creepy. More so that he portrays God as some mean, miserly figure who wouldn’t do a thing for us unless “the Holy Spirit” demanded it of Him. Never mind that the Scripture says that God is a loving Father who gives to us everything that we need and delights in His children. I mean, seriously, what Bible are these nutters reading?? Or, perhaps, they’re not reading the Bible. This would make sense then. Sigh. It’s enough to make you want to beat your head against a wall. Like Jesse Duplantis’ “Jesus” who needs Jesse to comfort Him because He had a hard day.
Come, Lord Jesus!!!
PS. Yes, delusion it is, without a doubt. I just think it started a while back, though.
Pringle is contradicting scripture. http://www.esvbible.org/search/1+timothy+2%3A5-6/
Jesus is the only mediator. This “Holy Spirit” is the same being approaching God in Job chapter 1.
How tragic that so many biblically illiterate people will fall for this false teacher because he sounds ”spiritual” enough.
A long, long time ago, Phil was a foolish young man. Sadly, Phil never matured, and he is now a silly old man – a pathetic caricature of an ageing heretic; a man who hasn’t a clue about anything, whether secular or spiritual. He has nothing to show for all his labours; he has squandered his time chasing a mirage. He has wasted his life.
Yeah not sure about this one. I mean the Holy Spirit is a magnificent person, the Counsellor, the Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of Jesus (Acts 16:7), and having grown up in various Pentecostal movements etc, I have learned more about the Spirit and have absolute respect for Him.
This however is concerning – Phil’s comment about the Spirit standing hands on hips, reminding God etc. I personally believe this is dangerous; as you guys have said, it is Jesus standing at the Right, interceding for us. I’m not sure what Scripture Phil backs this up with. Just like the video ref, I always try and give people the benefit of the doubt, but I can’t seem to get around this one, even with Phil’s joking or interpretations.
OK this is slightly on topic, slightly off; I’d like some opinion. In my constant state of “working out my salvation”, I try to test things, test things against the Word, test things I’ve learned, what people preach etc. I try to give most people the benefit of the doubt, and understand God can’t be completely boxed though He is revealed in the Word – which is why even with some of the things Phil says about his experience with the Spirit, I try not to box or completely write off, and of course I totally honour the Spirit.
I was a teen/young adult when the revival/renewal etc of the 90’s swept Australia. I’m not here to debate it as such; I did see some weird things and most of it I’m sure was the Spirit, though on the other hand I’m sure some things were exaggerated by man (BTW I never rolled around, shook etc, though pretty much most of my friends did and I used to get upset I was pretty much the only one whom nothing used to “happen” to).
So based on that video of Phil’s experience, he talked about the Greek word for the Spirit, so I did a little research. I also remember a verse that was a big one back in the 90’s – 2 Corinthians 3:17 – “Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom”. Now what used to not sit right with me was how they paraphrased it like this “Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit is Lord, there is freedom”; the big point being “making the Spirit Lord (or lord) of church services, your life etc”. I always wanted to question it, because it’s not what the Bible says. Of course in a roundabout kind of way, the Spirit is the Lord (Jesus), and where the Spirit is Lord (ie where Jesus is Lord), there is freedom, and that’s kind of the response I got when I questioned a Pastor about it. Now of course I would never try and limit or doubt the Spirit, not at all. It’s just that I question people’s interpretation and open preaching of matters like this. Basically I try and balance an unboxable God and people’s interpretation. I’m not saying the Spirit didn’t reveal something new about Himself during this time, but I question the way it went about, ie wording that Scripture wrong. I just desire truth.
Which is what brings me back to Phil and associated acts – to what extent is preaching that goes on with him and others directly Biblical, or a sound interpretation when it isn’t clear? In the same vein of trying to give the benefit of the doubt, I know Churchwatcher (and others) have questioned Phil’s faith/salvation. Really? Maybe people know more than I do, maybe they’re knowing them by their fruit (as Jesus said you would), also that he may have been hearing demons. That’s a massive call to make, but then again you might know more about the situation than I do and may have more discernment. At the end of the day I’m trying to work out my salvation, desiring truth and trying to test everything that is preached WITHOUT limiting/doubting/offending the Godhead. The latter is my biggest fear, well not fear, but I definitely don’t want to do it!
Would you be interested in hearing what this god taught Pringle in regard to ‘faith’?
By his own confession – you will come to realise that the spirit, Jesus and message are not founded on the accuracy of Gods Word.