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CHC members should strongly express their concern of having Phil Pringle ministering in their church as their Advisory Pastor.
In a C3 leaders meeting, Phil Pringle teaches that leaders can measure Christians “Passionate Spirituality… by how much they actually give”. He reveals the advantages of using the US laws to see how “spiritually passionate” people are in their giving.
Don’t you think this is spiritual or financial manipulation?
We have audio of Kong Hee talking about how he copies everything Phil Pringle does. Both have the same ‘Rise and Build’ campaigns in their churches. So how much has Phil Pringle influenced Kong Hee on teachings of finance? Has Phil Pringle taught Kong Hee to behave in similar ways as himself regarding finances? Would CHC consider their Advisory Pastor’s behaviour legal in Singapore?
This teaching is not of God. The bible condemns such teaching and would claim that Phil Pringle is “bewitching” leaders in his own movement, deceiving Christians into believing that giving money is a sign of true Christian spirituality.
“O foolish [Christians]! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?” Galatians 3:1-6
Here is the transcript:
“And number eight: Passionate Spirituality. Passionate Spirituality. This is measured in tithing. There are several measurements they give for these. It’s unusual the measurements that they actually put on – on these ah – how they – how they said “We can tell if a church is spiritually passionate not by the fact they go ‘Oooooooo!’ [Acts like a crazy pentecostal] but by how much they actually give.” Ok?
Now as leaders, let me tell you this: you got no chance of getting your people to be tithers and blessed and prospering, if you’re not. And it’s the same with the building fund and everywhere else. And I make no apologies in this meeting for saying, before the Lord: that you and I are leading a group of people and we have got a responsibility to show them the way and be able to speak without any compromise in our conviction at all, that yes, we gotta bring that tithe into the house of God because that is- guarantees us an open window over our church life and over our movement. … [Fumbles]
I came across a leader who I knew who’d, you know– you know, sort of looked like they were doing the right thing with giving to building the building. But you know, we can check those records actually. In America you can check everybody’s tithing records. And Paul would base his- when he was in Los Angeles, you could base your pastoring on that couldn’t you, really? Just check it all out and weekly go around and see them and say ‘things aren’t working out for you?’.
‘Yeah! How did you know?’
‘Oh! You know…’ [Audience laughs]
And uh… but we can’t do that here. But what we can do is check, you know, is look on the ‘Rise and Build’ records and that tells us, you know, where, you know, the passionate spirituality if you like, of our people. And that’s an indicator. It’s not the amount, it’s just the sacrifice and the heart to be involved is actually there. And uh…
You know I’m talking like this because we’re a mature crowd here aren’t we? We can cope with this. And if it’s a little challenging, that’s great! Amen! We gotta smile when a thing challenges us saying ‘Yeah! This is good for me! It’s going to move me on ‘n get me up on my feet’. And so that- that… when we did, I just asked Wayne, cos I don’t actually go through those records and check them.
I just said to Wayne ‘Did that guy umm… was he involved?’. And he came back with a number that was just – you know – [Pringle shows disappointment, hand over face] that just boggled my mind, how that over such a long time that was it.
And it revealed a lot to me. It just told me everything as to why his situation was like it was.” (38:00)
It looks as though Kong Hee also peddles this same anathematic teaching that Pringle teaches.
Kong Hee’s allusion to John 3:16 echoes Pringle’s dangerous teaching on John 3:16. That being, Jesus and salvation are linked to the giving of money.
C3 Giving Sermon Transcript: Just Another Manic Sunday
“Let Me Just Talk To You Out Of A Scripture” – Pringle’s Use of John 3:16
“Every time you give, you’re helping another soul come to Christ.” – Phil Pringle, Ps Phil Pringle: GO! Week 2 (AM), http://www2.myc3church.net/videos/ps-phil-pringle-go-week-2-am, 55:21, 6pm, 14/08/2011.
When this happens, it is not surprising that Phil Pringle endorses messages where people can BUY the salvation of their families and friends.
C3′s Tetzel: Catholic Kubala Says To Pringle, God Told Him We Can Buy Salvation
Johann Tetzel Eat Your Heart Out | Andrew Kubala tramples on the blood of Christ at Presence 2012
Christian passion and maturity is demonstrated by a believers obedience in studying and handling God’s teachings correctly. The writer of Hebrews has this rebuke and correction on what Christian maturity is (emphasis in bold):
“About this we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.
Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, and of instruction about washings, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits.” – Hebrews 5:11-14, 6:1-3
According to the writer of Hebrews, Phil Pringle and Kong Hee aren’t even on the milk. According to the writer of Hebrews, Phil Pringle and Kong Hee “have become dull of hearing”. Maturity of a believer is clearly demonstrated what one knows of their God.
paul kenny said:
THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH ,AND C3 OR SHOULD I SAY THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN , ARE ALL ABOUT THE MONEY , I HAVE WITNESSED IT ON MANY OCCASIONS . ROCKINGHAM C3 AND MANDURAH C3 PEDDLE THE SAME MESSAGE , PASTORS OFFERING TO MENTOR THOSE WHO WOULD SUBMIT, AND QUOTE ,,,MAKE THEM MILLIONAIRS , EVEN BILLIONAIRS . ON ONE OCCASION CELEBRATING AN ANNIVERSARY OR MILESTONE A LARGE CAKE ON A TROLLEY WAS PUSHED DOWN TO THE STAGE WITH SPARKLERS LIT AND FIFTY DOLLAR NOTES ATTACHED TO THE SPARKLERS . THERE ARE MORE DISGUSTING LOWLIGHTS TO MANY TO MENTION . GET OUT . JESUS WOULD
Mr Ordinary said:
I could answer your question thus: ‘Cos birds of a feather flock together. Haven’t w heard the saying “As thick as thieves?
Need we say more?
paul kenny said:
MR ORDINARY , TIME TO STAND UP AND BE COUNTED , WHAT IS YOUR NAME , MINE IS PAUL KENNY , I WILL COP LOTS OF FLACK FROM MY TRUTH .TRUTH IS AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH .GOD WILL JUDGE THE HOUSE OF GOD ???????
Barry Koe said:
Seek to be generous givers but do not give to deceivers, false teachers and con artists. Be generous to the needy, not to the greedy. Help and give hope to those less materially blessed than you, but don’t waste your giving to help some pastors build his carnal dream. Give to help souls saved and disciples made through the true gospel of Jesus Christ that the apostles preached, not help spread the false teachings of health and wealth. But do not for once neglect to provide for your own families or else you are no better than a heathen.
paul kenny said:
Seems like you’ve got a good source who’s willing to leak info to you!
In other news, I read the Bible every day, pray, worship, occasionally fast – but I mustn’t be spiritually passionate if the above is right.