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We have been covering the history of Pat Mesiti’s rise and fall at http://www.hillsongchurchwatch.wordpress.com. To understand what is happening in the below transcript, it is important to read our articles on him here:
What Happened To Pat Mesiti of Hillsong?
Amway, Hillsong & C3 – The Mesiti Connection & Restoration
As you see, it is has been documented that Amway-speaking Pat Mesiti “was re-instated as a preacher on Sunday 19 February 2006 and serves God with a new awareness and humility”. In the below transcript, it is revealed that Brian Houston and Phil Pringle “are good friends” and that Phil Pringle has known Mesiti “forever”.
Was Mesiti’s Christian character restored? Hillsong and C3 seem to think so. Mesiti said that when he came out of this restoration process he believed, “in the message of prosperity more now than I ever did”. We shall look more into this “message of prosperity” that Mesiti got from this process from both Hillsong and C3.
Below is a transcript of Pat Mesiti’s restoration.
Pat Mesiti’s restoration
Monday 04 September, 2006 – 16:55 by Hill$ong Squad in Default
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Christian City Church, Oxford Falls
6pm service, Sunday February 19, 2006
(Phil Pringle) “I know a lot of you were not in this morning’s service…and I need your attention ….I need your full attention people…I need you to be looking this way ..and listening….thank you very much.
Because this morning I made an announcement …and in last night’s service..that I need to make again and .. it’s a great announcement …a very joyful announcement.
About four-and-a-half years ago …there was an evangelist in this country by the name of Pat Mesiti.
Most of you I think will know of him.. some of you may not.
He had a television program and was regularly conducting crusades … where through..500/1500 people would come to Christ.
He was an initiator of many great youth programs, including Youth Alive here in New South Wales… and accomplished a huge number of things for the nation ..in the realm of evangelism and.. touching people’s lives with the gospel.
However, four-and-a-half years ago, Pat had a terrible, terrible tumble….a moral collapse which resulted in his marriage breaking ..and ..was a sad moment.
He was taken out of ministry…and ..stepped down.
He was an ordained minister in the Assemblies of God ..and after attempting to retrace..recover ..and after a year…it seemed it wasn’t going quite how it was anticipated.
So Brian Houston and myself..who are good friends ….I said….look…I’ll put my hand up…I’d like to ..help…and I’ve known Pat ..forever and he’s good friends with a lot of the people on this staff …and has been…..and I thought this’d be great if he came..and was in our church…and we would seek to see him standing on his feet again.
A number of years ago…I said to the Lord….’I’m so busy being a pastor….I don’t feel like I’m being a Christian.’
And…that just meant I was so busy leading and preaching ..doing all the stuff I wanted… I felt like…going and handing out pizzas to the homeless in Hyde Park ..or visiting people in old folks’ homes or reading books…or people in prison.
I’ve done all that..and used to teach in a school for handicapped children ….and …I go and visit prisons …just tell them to send up a prisoner if they didn’t have a visitor ..and I’d be there….and they didn’t know me…so.. when you get to be a pastor…you get a lot of other things going on ..
But He said to me …’no you’ve got a church full of people who can do that’……so I pray you do it man…
And He said….’no..no..no..what I want you to do is reach out to people that other people can’t reach out to..and that’s pastors …who are having troubled times…
And so…I try to do that…and there’s a few …who…I have no judgements on men and women who’ve found their life in trouble ….
Who knows what pressures they’re facing and what things they’ve gone through …but I do know they need to be recovered and restored.
And there is a pathway for that…repentence …restoration…restitution ..and making things right.
So Pat came….and I said to him…’Pat ..I want you to do several things…..one….turn up to church..’
And even with the shame and the awkwardness and the emotional difficulty of all that …I said ..’that’s what you’ve gotta do’.
Because the church is the best place you can be…rather than a counselling room ….just being in the worship…being in the local church …being involved in some ministry …of serving in the House.. all of those things are the best healing processes you will ever find yourself engaged in….because you’re forced to modify your behaviour and get things right and overcome …and all kinds of things….and relate to people…
And then just the Spirit of God working amongst us..
I believe in the power of the local church …it is the most powerful thing on Earth …to actually affect all sorts of things in people’s lives.
So Pat did that..and one year after his marriage had broke…he met a lady called Andrea ..and I was happy to participate in their marriage …three….two-and-a-half years ago …two years ago? Two years ago ….and that was a really joyful occasion.
And Pat and Andrea served in the visitors’ lounge …helping us there …and have continued to be involved… in our church over that time.
And he’s been relating to Greg French….Simon McIntyre ..Mark Kelsey and myself …over that period of time.
We’ve had times where we’ve needed to say things…or help him understand things..or whatever ..and Pat has been exemplary in all his ways of handling it.
I have tried this with a number of ministers and leaders over the years ..and I’ve got to say not without a lot of success.
It’s been unfortunate..because people find it difficult ..find it tough to recover…old steps.
But Pat has really displayed a repentent attitude ..and a commitment to a pathway ..that will bring him fully back into that way…
And the ministry team…we’ve all talked to each other…..and quite satisfied that he has fulfilled all those obligations.
The Assemblies of God asked him to do three years of restoration……it’s actually been four-and-a-half years now…that he has been out of ministry…and …as I said…we are happy that…
….So in the 10 o’clock service this morning… we laid hands on Pat and Andrea…and restored them to the ministry that God has called them to…(applause)..
In those services……well..actually…only in the 10 o’clock service….I asked Pat just to share something briefly..and he did… and so…I said…I want you to share in that service just briefly…..but what I really want you to do is preach in our church on Sunday night….
So…I want you to welcome Pat Mesiti as he comes…” (applause/cheering/Mesiti hugs Pringle)
From: http://hillsong.bigblog.com.au/post.do?id=66926http://202.125.166.74/ramgen/ccc/1902066pm.rm. (Accessed 14/11/2011.)
NOTE: SCREEN GRAB WAS TAKEN ON THE 14/11/2011.
So, getting past the fact that the above web address no longer exists, and that faking a screenshot is rather easy, you have nothing to offer that’s newer than 2007? And the 2007 article also offers nothing newer than 2006. A lot can happen in six years.
As always, I’m at a loss trying to work out what the point of posting this article is.
So getting past the fact you haven’t bothered to see if the above link is cached somewhere, you slag off C3 Church Watch and try to discredit it? Nice. Why is it that people who love C3 act rudely and slanderous against those who have issues against C3? Why do they behave just as badly as their C3 leaders? Here is the cached link:
http://web.archive.org/web/20101109191706/http://www.hillsong.bigblog.com.au/post.do?id=66926
1. Why didn’t you use the cached page in the first place?
2. You imply I attend a C3 Church. When did I ever say this?
3. You’re remaining very quiet on the issue I raised, where the latest information you have is seriously outdated.
4. You must be seriously whacked in the head if you accuse me of being rude and slanderous, and consider your own actions anything less than loving.
“Why didn’t you use the cached page in the first place?”
This was an old article that we finished last year. It was now a good time to release the article considering what we covered on Pat Mesiti elsewhere.
“You imply I attend a C3 Church. When did I ever say this?”
Not at all. We asked a general question that categorised people like yourself who appear to love Pringle and C3 without knowing much about them. Your behaviour and manner echo the cult-like traits of C3 members who:
1. refuse to question the pharoah at the top and
2. critically judging those as judgmental critics who critically examine the topdog.
“You must be seriously whacked in the head if you accuse me of being rude and slanderous, and consider your own actions anything less than loving.”
You dared to say that we would be “faking a screenshot” and don’t consider that to be rude or slanderous? We’ve documented issues on C3CW for a good while to prove our claims. To make a fake screenshot is a disgusting thought let alone suggest we would do such a thing. That would undo everything this blog would stand for.
Please re-evaluate yourself before commenting.
Andy said: “[Churchwatcher is] remaining very quiet on the issue I raised, where the latest information you have is seriously outdated.”
And I note in turn, Andy, that you have nothing to say regarding the comment I have posted in response to the article.
It’s clear from the material on Pat Mesiti’s own web site that he hasn’t changed his spots: he is still a slimy money-grubber. Perhaps you know better than I though, and you can enlighten us with the extent of Pat’s real-world exposure to the corporate realm, and what actual knowledge he has regarding matters financial, and what sort of education he has pursued or what credentials he has gained that might actually qualify him to venture an opinion on business or money – or on anything at all, for that matter. (Note that playing church and talking big in front of excitable teenagers does not constitute “experience” in any of the foregoing contexts).
$797.00 for some DVDs amd CDs – what do you think Pat’s profit margin on that might be, Andy? Do you reckon he’s onto a nice little earner? Do you have any of Mr Mesiti’s “resources” yourself?
I await your reply with interest.
Quoting the article: ‘Mesiti said that when he came out of this restoration process he believed, “in the message of prosperity more now than I ever did”’
Quoting Andy: “A lot can happen in six years.”
Quoting the sales blurb for the “Prosperity Accelerator” DVD/CD set from Pat’s own web site “This live DVD and cd series will accelerate your income, it will teach you how to develop money habits that work to make as much money as you can as fast as you can. Isn’t it time you turbo charged your financial story and put it into another gear.”
So apparently, although “a lot can happen in six years”, nothing much has: Pat is still very much in a prosperity mindset, as opposed to setting his mind “on things above”. There’s nothing wrong with having money, of course, and there’s no shame in working hard and acting wisely to accumulate more of it, but nobody needs to get advice to such an end from a self-professed expert who is nothing more than an ignorant huckster in a suit. (Mesiti flogs the aforementioned DVD/CD set for $797.00, plus postage and handling; perhaps Andy would argue that this represents good value for money. Would you personally pay that much for some DVDs and CDs, Andy?)
Quoting Mesiti from his web site: “Having built some of Australiaʼs largest people organisations, I understand the power of harnessing people potential.”
What does he mean by “largest people organisations”? Does he mean Youth Alive? If so, why doesn’t he say so? I know why he doesn’t say so: because he’s too embarrassed to admit that the sum total of his corporate experience is organising concerts for impressionable adolescents – he doesn’t want people to know how thoroughly clueless he is. Has he ever seen a balance sheet or a profit and loss? Does he even know what they are? I’m willing to wager that Pat hasn’t so much as ever done a trial balance; I bet that he’d even find opening a till a struggle.
And what about the “I” in the sentence quoted above? Did Pat himself really do it, rather than the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Was success really predicated on Mesiti’s own efforts, rather than humbly walking in obedience to the Lord? It appears that Pat hasn’t read his Bible, and is therefore unfamiliar with the verse that states “Unless the LORD builds the house, its builders labor in vain.” (Prideful self-reliance is, of course, the hallmark of preening prosperity pimps everywhere: there’s not one of them who isn’t firmly convinced in his own mind that *he* is the benchmark and that competitors are mere pretenders to the crown).
Quoting Pat from his web site again: “I have spoken for, and shared the platform globally with some of the world’s most influential people including, Sir Richard Branson, Donald Trump […]”
It seems as though Mesiti numbers among his friends some of the world’s movers and shakers; it’s a great shame that he never read in his Bible that friendship with the world means enmity with God. Pat thinks that hobnobbing with a coterie of well-heeled mates is something worth boasting about, whereas the truth is that such boasting shows him up as being shallow and insecure (more traits that he shares in common with prosperity pimps everywhere). Not only that, but the world’s “most influential person” is in fact Jesus Christ, and anyone who purports to be a preacher should speak for Him, and for Him alone. (It’s really a shame that Pat didn’t share the platform with the Holy Spirit, isn’t it? Then he would have apprehended these basic spiritual truths).
Quoting Andy again: “As always, I’m at a loss […]”
Yes, I can understand that you would be at a loss, since you don’t appear to be particularly discerning and you clearly cannot comprehend that Mesiti is just another in a long line of sell-out nonentities who love the world more than they love God.
Andy said: “You imply I attend a C3 Church. When did I ever say this?”
It is not correct that Churchwatcher implied such a thing. What he in fact said was: “Why is it that people who love C3 act rudely […]”
So rather than illustrating Churchwatcher’s alleged “poor logic”, you have in fact demonstrated your own paucity of skill when it comes to basic comprehension.
Given that you have trouble understanding simple English, it comes as no surprise to find that you do in fact attend C3, since many who are involved with that “movement” are not particularly bright or knowledgeable, show a distinct lack of wisdom and discernment, and are, as a result, quite impressionable and easily led.
It’s very revealing that you find yourself unable to respond to my comments on this thread; obviously even someone possessed of your clearly limited reasoning capabilities understands that what I have said is patently true. When Pat Mesiti says on his web site that he has “[…] built some of Australiaʼs largest people organisations […]”, he uses the particular term “organisations” to disguise the fact that his “experience” has been nothing more than that of a supposed minister – that is, of a gum-flapper in a sinecure. So Mesiti uses language in this instance to convey a false impression; it’s the sort of conduct that one might expect from a shifty, loud-mouthed salesman selling dodgy used cars (which, interestingly, is also exactly how Pat comes across in his general manner of delivery). Using language to convey a false impression – what would you call that sort of behaviour, Andy?
@Andy, the d**kheads on this site are not interested in the truth, only pushing their own twisted agenda. The person posting as Churchwatcher is the biggest hypocrite I have ever had the misfortune to come across. I wouldn’t bother trying to make them see sense. They’re too far gone. Now, lets see how long the turd
with admin rights allows this post to stay!
Oh, so my comments in moderation. Too afraid to let those who oppose have their say Churchwatcher? Coward
As usual, Roundhouse, your comments are more revealing of your true nature, than the people commenting here.
Hello Roundhouse,
I’ve pointed out a few truths about Pat Mesiti that some may find unpalatable, including those who are numbered among his followers or supporters. What exactly do you think my “twisted agenda” might be? Why do you think it is that Andy does not dare to venture so much as a single response to anything I have written here?
Perhaps you can tell us if you think $797.00 for a few DVDs and CDs represents value for money, since Andy really doesn’t appear to be sure whether it does or not.
Since you’re here, I have some questions just for you: on another blog, C3 has been described as being a “a lively, encouraging church”, which I’m sure is exactly what Pat thought of them when he was officially restored. My questions are these: how did C3 “encourage” or otherwise help in any way Pat’s ex-wife? What did they do for his children to assist them? Since the New Testament church in earlier times used to pay particular attention to looking after widows and orphans, do you think it might be appropriate for them to look after the innocent victims in marriage break-ups? Or do C3 only care for those who can help them swell the church’s coffers?
To the administrator of this blog, I hope you leave Roundhouse’ comments up – it’s about time people start seeing how the “opposition” really communicates their Christlikeness?
I fully agree with OBGA; Roundhouse’s comments should be allowed to remain, since they they are so typical of the nonsense spouted by proponents of C3.
It is abundantly clear that these addle-brained acolytes and ardent apologists posses neither arguments of substance nor facility with the English language, and that they are, furthermore, singularly lacking in wisdom and discernment (to say nothing of how profound is their want of knowledge).
In the absence of anything to offer that is germane, and being wholly unable to mount a logical argument – let alone a convincing one – these confused individuals are reduced to impotent rage, which finds expression in either a sullen and resentful silence (Andy), or, alternatively, in a frustrated outpouring of profanity-laced invective that is invariably devoid of anything at all compelling (Roundhouse).
And another thing – Phil Pringle is quoted in the transcript as having said the following:
“[…] the local church …[…] is the most powerful thing on Earth”
Phil might need to share that particular gem of wisdom with God, because I’m pretty sure that God has been labouring under the misapprehension that He Himself was the most powerful thing in all the earth. (If Phil is in possession of a dictionary, he may find it helpful to look up the definition of the word “blasphemy”).
Tell me ,who has the most money! Is it, 1:Houston, 2:Pringle, 3:Mesiti ?
Is there a ,’ Hierarchy’: a body of officials arranged in ranks; each of three groups of angels; ecclesiastics, priests, or clergy, collectively?
Or are they all just an assortment of sycophant, obstinate and false impressionists?
i personally witnessed mesiti fleece the sheep . oh he is good , very good or is that BAD . my friends who remain in c3 , have not benefited from mesiti over the years , in fact 3 couples have divorced argueing over money most of the time and fighting to the bitter end to get their share of the spoils that remained , unfortunately the children and grand children suffered the most and continue to . the last time i had a conversation with a c3 pastor i asked how many widows were in his congregation , he did not know the answer was 3 , it was only a small group of people 40 , they are so caring NOT . Money rules their hearts , god help them , open their eyes . in jesus name father .
James 3 AMP ,
13 Who is there among you who is wise and intelligent? Then let him by his noble living show forth his [good] works with the [unobtrusive] humility [which is the proper attribute] of true wisdom.
14 But if you have bitter jealousy (envy) and contention (rivalry, selfish ambition) in your hearts, do not pride yourselves on it and thus be in defiance of and false to the Truth.
15 This [superficial] wisdom is not such as comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual (animal), even devilish (demoniacal).
16 For wherever there is jealousy (envy) and contention (rivalry and selfish ambition), there will also be confusion (unrest, disharmony, rebellion) and all sorts of evil and vile practices.
“Again I say, don’t get involved in foolish, ignorant arguments that only start fights.” – NLT 2 Tim 2:23
“A truly wise person uses few words; a person with understanding is even-tempered. Even fools are thought wise when they keep silent; with their mouths shut, they seem intelligent.” – NLT Prov 17:27-28
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” – NIV Matt 22:27-40
Just a few verses for food for thoughts. From the bits that I have read, granted that you might have a sound theology background, I sincerely hope that you don’t use it to create disunity.
“How wonderful and pleasant it is when brothers live together in harmony!” – NIV Psalms 133:1
Use your skills and your life to inspire other and not tear down what may not be perfect but is still good work and bearing fruits of other. Leave the judging to God. I believe that a good Christian does not focus on bring the worse out of people but to see and draw the best out of people. That’s what Jesus did.
And lastly, keep in mind…
“Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.” – NIV Eph 4:2
” I sincerely hope that you don’t use it to create disunity.”
We are all for truth and unity centered on the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Thanks for your sincerity.
Az – something to reflect on.
“Objection is often raised even by some sound in the faith-regarding the exposure of error as being entirely negative and of no real edification. Of late, the hue and cry has been against any and all negative teaching.
But the brethren who assume this attitude forget that a large part of the New Testament, both of the teaching of our blessed Lord Himself and the writings of the apostles, is made up of this very character of ministry—namely, showing the Satanic origin and, therefore, the unsettling results of the propagation of erroneous systems which Peter, in his second epistle, so definitely refers to as “damnable heresies.”
Our Lord prophesied, “Many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.” Within our own day, how many false prophets have risen; and oh, how many are the deceived! Paul predicted, “I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch.”
My own observation is that these “grievous wolves,” alone and in packs, are not sparing even the most favoured flocks. Undershepherds in these “perilous times” will do well to note the apostle’s warning: Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers.
It is as important in these days as in Paul’s—in fact, it is increasingly important—to expose the many types of false teaching that, on every hand, abound more and more. We are called upon to “contend earnestly for the faith once for all delivered to the saints,” while we hold the truth in love. The faith means the whole body of revealed truth, and to contend for all of God’s truth necessitates some negative teaching.
The choice is not left with us. Jude said he preferred a different, a pleasanter theme:
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (Jude 3, 4)
Paul likewise admonishes us to have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them (Ephesians 5:11). This does not imply harsh treatment of those entrapped by error—quite the opposite.
If it be objected that exposure to error necessitates unkind reflection upon others who do not see as we do, our answer is: it has always been the duty of every loyal servant of Christ to warn against any teaching that would make Him less precious or cast reflection upon His finished redemptive work and the all-sufficiency of His present service as our great High Priest and Advocate.
Every system of teaching can be judged by what it sets forth as to these fundamental truths of the faith. “What think ye of Christ?” is still the true test of every creed. The Christ of the Bible is certainly not the Christ of any false “-ism.” Each of the cults has its hideous caricature of our lovely Lord.
Let us who have been redeemed at the cost of His precious blood be “good soldiers of Jesus Christ.” As the battle against the forces of evil waxes ever more hot, we have need for God-given valour. There is constant temptation to compromise.
“Let us go forth therefore unto Him without the camp, bearing His reproach.” It is always right to stand firmly for what God has revealed concerning His blessed Son’s person and work. The “father of lies” deals in half-truths and specializes in most subtle fallacies concerning the Lord Jesus, our sole and sufficient Savior.
Error is like leaven of which we read, “A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.” Truth mixed with error is equivalent to all error, except that it is more innocent looking and, therefore, more dangerous. God hates such a mixture! Any error, or any truth-and-error mixture, calls for definite exposure and repudiation.
To condone such is to be unfaithful to God and His Word and treacherous to imperiled souls for whom Christ died. Exposing error is most unpopular work. But from every true standpoint it is worthwhile work. To our Savior, it means that He receives from us, His blood-bought ones, the loyalty that is His due.
To ourselves, if we consider “the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures of Egypt,” it ensures future reward, a thousand-fold. And to souls “caught in the snare of the fowler”—how many of them God only knows—it may mean light and life, abundant and everlasting.” Dr. Harry Ironside
Zorro is hilarious, in a good way. puts a smile on my face when I read his posts. He has the courage to speak the truth and has such a great way of communicating. An absolute genius and extremely entertaining. If I need cheering up and a laugh I just read his posts.
I cannot believe my eyes, I believed in so much of this,and many of these “minister” over the years I’ve become disgusted by it all.
The good ministers are still out there, but wow, how many use “God” to deceive and to there advantage.
I’m sure this is not what God is about!
Truly ashamed
I was involved in the church around that time and attitudes like Hillsong resulted in my leaving, but seriously I cant believe that Phil would allow such articles on his website. Not the brightest idea you have ever had Phil. Yes I do know you, and more so your son. I am a former attendee of North Shore Christian Life centre back in the day of Sean Stanton.
Having read all the comments and replies on the Arch Angel Pat Mesiti the conclusion I have come to the in my life is that because we have two powers within us and that they reside in our conscious and that is Lucifer and the Almighty now they vary all the time so nobody is free from the two powers , and what happened Pat ihe is so full of testosterine at that point in time,as Napoleon Hill says in his book Think and Grow Rich that because mans makeup, he must direct his sexual desires into developing a great business end of story
Sure you guys can write a few thousand words based around this: http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xap1/t51.2885-15/923649_471712376265733_1805446435_n.jpg
Newtaste – A few thousand words? How about two?
“Exterminate, exterminate!!”
By the way, wonder where Dr. Who got his doctorate from?🙂
Oral Roberts University?
” Pat Mesiti @ PatMesiti
Super excited to join hosts on the couch tomorrow @Studio10au …Been a big fan of @ItaButtrose for years…great role model to many women.
3:55 p.m. Mon, Jun 23
https://mobile.twitter.com/PatMesiti/status/480952197388050432?p=v ”
No doubt all you guys will be watching. I think I’ll be busy at that time, probably washing my hair.