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Scriptures say,
“If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is your life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. On account of these the wrath of God is coming. In these you too once walked, when you were living in them. But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth. Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.” – Colossians 3:1-10
There are many controversial issues that surround the City Harvest Church scandal. If you are not familiar with the charges that Kong Hee is facing, please read our articles on Kong Hee here:
In this article, we simply wish to focus on the ‘Pastoral’ conduct of Phil Pringle and Kong Hee.
Thanks to CHC’s Advisory Pastor Phil Pringle, this issue is further expanding across into other countries as ‘pastors’ lend their support and praise to Kong Hee and Sun Ho. Just recently, a video surfaced on YouTube that filmed Phil Pringle saying that he “got some pastors from around the world to bring” CHC ‘greetings’. Here is the video.
The pastors who endorse and praise Kong Hee and Sun Ho in this video are:
Jeffrey Rachmat from Jakarta Praise Community Church (Jakarta, Indonesia)
Mark Conner from City Life Church (Melbourne, Australia)
Paul Scanlon from LIFE Church (Bradford, UK)
Casey Treat from Christian Faith Center (Seattle, USA)
John Bevere from Messenger International (USA)
David Yonggi Cho from Yoido Full Gospel Church (Seoul, South Korea)
The blurb below the video says,
“These are some great leaders from mega churches around the world who know Pastor Kong personally. They are encouraging and praying for Pastor Kong and City Harvest Church during this period of trial. Dr David Yonggi Cho is the founder and Pastor of the world largest church with an overall members of about a million and he is also Pastor and mentor of Pastor Kong.” – Some Pastors From Around the World Bring You Greeting, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkXtWO63C4Q, Published on Apr 14, 2013.
In response to the above YouTube clip, a new YouTube video emerged juxtaposing the pastors endorsements against Sun Ho’s music video clip ‘China Wine’. The contrast is stunning and disturbing.
(Warning: content of video may be considered highly inappropriate for Christian viewers.)
What this video did was highlight two things. It exposed the lies and hypocrisy of Kong Hee. With one hand, Kong distanced his wife’s immoral video clips from himself and CHC, claiming she was not a pastor and yet justifying her sinful clips using the scriptures. On the other hand, he would flaunt his wife as China Wine and allow her to speak on behalf of City Harvest Church. For more information on this, read here:
The second thing this video exposes how ‘Christian Pastors’ are promoting human depravity in the name, glory and Spirit of Jesus Christ. As the parody pits the pastors against the China Wine music video, one can’t help but wonder if Phil Pringle, Kong Hee or Sun Ho have been fully honest with their fellow pastors.
For instance, would John Bevere say that God put scriptures on ‘integrity’ in his heart if he saw Sun Ho dancing erotically in her music video clip China Wine? Would Mark Conner say that his church is “inspired” by Sun Ho and Kong Hee’s “life” if he saw Sun’s music video clip ‘Kill Bill’ that has her singing about murdering her boyfriend?
Finally, we’ve been observing how Phil Pringle has been informing his audiences that when he pastors CHC this gives Kong Hee and Sun Ho the opportunity to travel to “share in churches their burden ‘n what they’re facing and keep support happening”. [Source 1] [Source 2]
Now that Phil Pringle made the video, we should be asking ourselves if the churches of Yonggi Cho, John Bevere, Mark Conner, Jeffrey Rachmat, Paul Scanlon and Casey Treat have given Kong Hee a platform to receive ‘love offerings’ to financially support his case.
This scandal needs to be a prayer issue for Christians everywhere. Please pray that Christians have their eyes opened to the immoral conduct of these pastors. Pray that no more Christians are “snookered” by their own “idolatrous notions” regarding the behaviour of Kong Hee, Sun Ho, Phil Pringle and other ‘ministers’ who endorse the moral conduct of these ministries.
Pray that Christians everywhere have their eyes opened to the whole truth about the ongoing pastoral and legal issues involved around Kong Hee AND David Yonggi Cho.
C3 Church Watch 
Ha, someone’s put a lot of effort into that.
Iv’e been trying to show a C3 goer the China Wine vid, but every time i do the response is either:It’s been doctored, or that it is all lies and it has nothing to do the original case.
The person i know even brought back from the presence conference, more of these chinese whispers.
Completely foolish to believe rumours instead of facts.
C3 goers that agree with Kong and Pringle are just playing a game of simon says,and Pringle is simon, so whatever he says, the sheeple must do.
“[…] every time i do the response is either:It’s been doctored, or that it is all lies and it has nothing to do [with] the original case.”
An answer that that reveals a mindset typically possessed by those who have been brain-washed by a cult: they ignore anything and everything that is contrary to the position they have adopted, whether Scripture, or evidence, or logic, or even just plain common sense.
The question arises as to whether such people are really sheep who have been led astray, or whether they are in fact goats who are getting exactly what they want (and, by extension, just what they deserve). Whatever the case, they are going to get a nasty shock on the Day of Judgement – and the Phil Pringles of this world are going to pay dearly for the part they have played in deceiving so many.
Cults followers tend to regard their pastors as some kind of infallible annointed that can do no wrong. They have this fear of judgement if they touch the annointed. I am glad our Christians fathers of old did not blindly follow the Pope. Otherwise we would all still remain Roman Catholics. When biblical truth matters little, cult flourishes. But not all are gullible. A pastor in Malaysia was reported to have warned its members against getting drunk with China Wine.
As a non-C3 member, here’s my 2 cents worth. This so called “cult” organization at the very least have been doing good and helping the poor. I read up on news and stuff to come to this.
And to a fellow Christian it’s contributing to society. They may preach on topics sensitive to traditional beliefs, but that doesn’t prove they are a cult. Calling others a cult does not make anyone superior to them. Judging others behind a computer isn’t a very proud thing as well. For example this C3watch who is also garnering it’s fair share of C3 “haters”, can be also a “cult” because it’s spreading it’s own beliefs upon people isn’t it? Then isn’t everything else that promotes it’s belief a cult as well?
I have done my part in helping the needy and I don’t see myself fit saying what Phil Pringle does is wrong or the beliefs his congregation adopts are wrong. As a Christian, I only hope for the truth to prevail. If his teaching is genuinely wrong, then may God deal with it in His timing.
“I read up on news and stuff to come to this.”
It seems like you need to sharpen up those research skills, D. J. – C3 is indeed a cult (of the the prosperity / personality variety).
“As a non-C3 member […]”
You should be aware that many who comment here have first-hand experience of C3, and are thus well-qualified to comment on the true nature of the organisation. It appears that some C3 churches are not quite as bad as others, but you can rest assured that C3 Oxford Falls is a bitter root, and that Phil Pringle’s perverted “theology”, noxious preaching, and noisome attitudes tend to permeate his movement and poison any good thing in their path. (In fact I have recently spoken to someone who recounted an anecdote regarding an encounter that they once had with Phil Pringle, and how that encounter, revealing as it did Phil’s true nature, left a lasting impression that was starkly negative).
Perhaps you need to have a spell being hectored by a know-nothing C3 “leader” who spends a disproportionate amount of his time badgering you about how you need to give him your money so that you can be “blessed”. If you ever happen to be in Sydney, you should consider visiting C3OF so that you can see for yourself what a pathetic and shallow show it is that they call “church”, and what a pack of vain, self-indulgent navel-gazers they are.
I’ve no doubt that you’d change your tune pretty quickly.
P.S.
Why don’t you try asking exactly which bits of the video have been doctored, and in what manner (maybe they used a clone of Sun Ho?). Ask the C3 member in question if they can show you the original music video in order to establish the truth of their assertion.
I would be interested to know the sort of response that you would draw as a result.
***I would be interested to know the sort of response that you would draw as a result.***
U’ll be buck.
EYES – perhaps you could ask your friend to watch this recent message from Dr. Paul Choo, an influential Singaporean pastor with some thoughts on Kong Hee and the culture of City Harvest Church.
For what it’s worth, there were some WOF pastors (Judah Smith being one of them) shocked to see the China Wine youtube clip when it first came out a few years ago. When asked for an explanation, the response from a certain advisory pastor was “they’re good people”.
In regards to your C3 friend, maybe we are starting to see “the strong delusion” we are warned about in 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12?
“The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
Choice idea, thanks Watcher.
This is a great sermon, he admonishes all to think and read the bible and understand in context
I used to spend a good part of my life with City Harvest, but have left since. There is a deafening silence from Pastor Ulf Ekman, once said to be KongHee’s discipler.
And I wonder why no one from CHC is concerned that their pastor’s discipler is no longer backing him up
I suspect the pastors did not know about Sun’s cross-over projects just like my freinds and I who used to attend CHC. We were told by pastors that Sun was in American doing works for God but we were unware of the type of MTV she was recording.
Ecclesiastes 5:10
Whoever loves money never has enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with their income. This too is meaningless.
Ecclesiastes 10:19
A feast is made for laughter, wine makes life merry, and money is the answer for everything.
Matthew 6:24
No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.
The basis of CHC principle is simple: Worship Money, for that’s their answer to everything. They live a life of luxury and their followers worry that they do not have money to pay their own legal fees and started a private fund rising after their recent AGM (Source: Yahoo News Singapore). The outcome of this trial will not turn these group of people towards the truth that can set them free, since they have chosen their path of worship.
Can anyone bring forth a scripture in the Holy Bible that says,,MONEY INCREASES THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN??
Zorro and eyes
I can bring forth these scriptures
Proverbs 18:2
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.
Proverbs 29:11
A fool gives full vent to his spirit, but a wise man quietly holds it back.
Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
Titus 3:1-11
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work, to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people. For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another. But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
James 1:19-20
Know this, my beloved brotherse: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger; for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God.
Peace x
Doing good does not mean they are not Cult. The are many Christian Cult who help the poor…but nevertheless brainwash their members. If I am a crook, I certain will do some good for show…afterall, satan came as angel of light too. If I am a Cult leader, I too want to help the vulnerable groups…easier to control!; plus put forward some high profiles people(with self interest) as followers(again for ). Then, just wait for the group to grow and followers who UNQUESTIONABLE follow me. Halleluya…soon I will be rich and/or adored! If people ask questions, I will say “Don’t touch the Anointed one OK!” Sound familiar….