Often C3 churches around the world parade Phil Pringle as the Apostle and founder of the C3 Church Movement. We’ve been questioning this for some time since we have not seen any evidence of Phil Pringle ever starting a church but taking over a church, causing it to split. What we have noticed is that when Pringle tried to start a church in Roseville Sydney, it failed. And when Pringle was involved in the Barton’s church in New Zealand and the Collins’ church in Dee Why Northern Beaches Sydney, the Pringle’s themselves appeared to cause those churches to split.
Recently we stumbled upon ‘Life Messenger’.
This website claims,
“The world is entering a new era of the fullness of God in Christ through His body, the church (Eph 4:13-15).
But for that to happen, a reformation must occur. At particular turning points of history a door opens, the Spirit of God is outpoured, the people of God are dislodged from the religious status quo, and a quantum increase of the kingdom comes.
Lifemessenger is the ministry of David Orton and carries a mandate to inspire a new generation in the pursuit of God’s fullness and reformational change. This is accomplished through preaching, teaching, writing, electronic media, and by creating environments conducive to the presence of God, ranging from conferences and schools to experimental ‘apostolic’ networks and alternative expressions of church.
We couldn’t disagree more with LifeMessenger’s false eschatological views. In spite of this, their views help us understand the making of Phil Pringle and his important mentor Paul Collins. One of LifeMessenger’s writers decided to write a biographical piece on Paul Herbert Collins.
PAUL COLLINS AND THE WORD OF FAITH/LATTER RAIN CONNECTION
Fortunately Mark Hutchinson writes in favour of the dangerous Latter Rain movement teachings and Word of Faith practices that Collins was under the influence of.
Hutchinson writes that Paul Collins “and his brother Terry went off to Tauranga to study at Rob Wheeler’s 3 month bible college”. He writes,
“Wheeler had been influenced by Ray Jackson and the Latter Rain/ Bethel Temple traditions, with their emphases on restorationism, perfectionism, and the laying on of hands, while Worley (who had been invited by Len Jones to replace a cancelled Tommy Hicks campaign) was a living link to the Healing Revival in the USA which was dominated by William Marion Branham and Oral Roberts.”
Both William Branham and Oral Roberts were incredibly dangerous teachers. Branham in particular had his Branhamite followers claim him to be ‘Elijah’.
Wheeler’s bible college “introduced them not only to Wheeler’s revivalist ministry but also the ministry of A. S. Worley, whose dynamic campaigns through Australia, Papua New Guinea and New Zealand were to do much to spread the emphases of E. W. Kenyon and others in the word-faith movement”.
E.W Kenyon should be another familiar name that our readers should be remember reading about.
We have recorded that E.W Kenyon was the ‘minister’ that was heavily influenced by the metaphysical science cults and their occult beliefs.
The history presented by Hutchinson only confirms the New Age and Word of Faith occult/cult-like background that Phil Pringle came from. This also explains Phil Pringle’s light leanings towards the dangerous teachings of the Latter Rain Movement (also known today as the New Apostolic Reformation).
PRINGLE TAKING OVER COLLINS’ ‘CHRISTIAN MINISTRY CENTRE’
Hutchinson also records Collins consequences in allowing Phil Pringle to take over his church in Dee Why on the Northern Beaches, Sydney. It was this church that later became Christian City Church.
If anyone can tell us any church Phil Pringle has actually planted or how he even gained the status of ‘apostle’ within his own movement, we would like you to email us at firstname.lastname@example.org.
“Such divisions in the light of a significant building challenge created incredible tensions. When Paul returned from Hong Kong, David Jackson and Roger Waters faced him and said that ‘it is either you or me’. Collins walked away – the building trust collapsed, and while the church staggered on under Jackson and Carter as a cell-group movement, the days of Faith Centre were numbered. The Collins’ returned to their beloved Asia – after a year spent among Asian students attached to Peter Morrow’s church in Christchurch, they spent most of the next period in Hong Kong working with Paul Kauffman at Asian Outreach. They were not finished with Sydney, however. Towards the end of 1978, they began preparations to return.
Moving to Dee Why, the team they gathered prayed ‘8-12-8’ every day for 2 years in order to gain a break among the surf culture of the area. By the end of 1979, they had built the church to around 50 people. In the interim, a young couple they had known from the Sydenham AOG in Christchurch, Phil and Chris Pringle, had had a vision for Sydney, and had begun work in Roseville. Again, Asia called – Loren Cunningham, whom they had met in the USA and knew well through their Faith Centre connections to YWAM, approached them and asked them to consider undertaking a more apostolic ministry with the YWAM ship ministry, Anastasis.
While preparing to go, they were also approached by Paul Kauffman for help in
Hong Kong. Personal loyalties spoke loudest – the Collins’ invited the Pringles to take over their ‘Christian Ministry Centre’ in Dee Why, and left for Hong Kong.
Shortly thereafter it was renamed Christian Centre, Northside, and then to Christian City Church. Another seed had been planted, only to be watered and taken on by someone else – CCC would grow into one of the more significant global charismatic movements, with (by 2003) some 4000 people worshipping in the Oxford Falls complex alone. ‘Phil took me out to lunch one day and said “You know, your trouble [Paul] is that you always give away the initiative.” And that is true.’” –
Source: Mark Hutchinson, BIOGRAPHY OF PAUL HERBERT COLLINS, http://www.lifemessenger.org/html/Docs2/Collins_Bio_v2.pdf, Pg. 10-11. (Accessed 27/06/2013.)
For more information on the history of Phil Pringle, read the book “Arise!” by John Barclay, who also records how he took over Paul Collins church. Pringle endorsed John Barclay’s history in “Arise!” and Hutchinson’s account lines up with Barclay’s record of events.
One has to ask the question: Why doesn’t Phil Pringle let people know the truth about his church’s history and how he obtained his ‘apostleship’ status?