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At Presence Conference 2013, Kong Hee decided to belittle many of his “elders” in front of thousands of Christians. It appears Kong Hee only gets orders from Yonggi Cho (who is also currently under investugation for mishandling church finances) and Phil Pringle. Is this the way a ‘pastor’ should behave? Who is Kong Hee accountable too? Is he accountable to only Phil Pringle and Yonggi Cho?
Kong Hee also claimed that God spoke to him about Hebrews 13:5-6. This is what the passage actually says in it’s greater context:
“Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous. Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” So we can confidently say,
“The Lord is my helper;
I will not fear;
what can man do to me?”
Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God. Consider the outcome of their way of life, and imitate their faith. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings…” Hebrews 13:4-6
Consider Sun Ho’s sexually immoral ‘China Wine’ music video. Consider all of Kong Hee’s obsessive sermons on the topic of money. Does Kong Hee teach his members to “be content with what you have”? Isn’t it convenient for Kong Hee’s “God” to twist the scriptures to elevate the man Kong Hee? If an elder of his church came up and tried to correct Kong Hee, would Kong make fun of that elder at another church conference elsewhere around the world? As a leader of CHC, should we consider the outcome of Kong Hee’s way of life and imitate his faith?
Here is the video and the transcript.
“I came back from Korea and it really was strengthened by my time with Dr Cho and Ps Phil. Pastor Phil kept pumping faith into me. Pumping faith into me. “Come on Kong! Rise up in faith!”
You see for two years, I got to backtrack a little bit, for two years when this whole case happened, I was- I was depressed. I was down. And many of my elders and many of my leaders came to me and said, “Kong! It’s all your fault. Always preaching faith! And you must always have big visions and dreams! Why must you buy SunTec Convention Center? Why don’t you just be a nice- why can’t we be just nice group of people, have a small neighbourhood church- we have ten thousand people. Why don’t we just cruise? Why must you always preach about faith? Can you just stop preaching about faith for a while?”
So I said, “Alright. Let’s choose love.” So I start preaching about love. For two years I preach about love. Dr Cho and Ps Phil say, “Kong, enough about love [Audience laughs]. Get back to faith. Get back to faith. Get back to faith. Hallelujah! [Audience applauses] Have the spirit of faith. C’mon! Give the Lord a big hand.
So I went back to Singapore. I went back to Singapore. I said, “Guys open up your bible. Go with me to Mark 11. Jesus says, “Have faith in God”. I could see the first row. They got a little nervous.
“What is pastor doing?”
I said, “I’m going to preach about faith!” They almost freak out. “Faith! Again! FAITH!!!”
You know just before I came into the hall, the Lord spoke to me. He spoke to me a verse: Hebrews 13:5 to verse 6.
‘For He himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you”, so we may boldly say, “The Lord is my helper, I will not fear. What can man do to me?” [Crowd applauds]
So I came in. I just preached a sermon like what I just mentioned a moment ago. People in the front row they were a little nervous. But as it gets further back they seemed to be happy. Everyone’s elbowing everyone else, “Pastor is back! Pastor is back! He’s preaching faith again!” So we had a great service.
And then I got everyone to stand up. And I said, “Come lets lift up our hands and let’s begin to pray”. So they were praying. (Much of what you did earlier when Ps Chris was here.) And then the Holy Spirit said to me- He said, “Kong, do you believe what I just told you: Hebrews 13, that I would never leave you nor forsake you?”
I said, “Jesus, I do believe”.
He says, “So what does the verse say? It says, “I will never leave you nor forsake you so we may boldly say”. Kong I want you to “boldly say” it!”
I said, “I can do that! I think I can do that.” So what is the first line? It says, “The Lord is my helper”. So I was telling the people, “We are having a time of prayer. A time of worship.” And I say, “The Lord just spoke to me. He will never leave us. He will not forsake us”. And there was a huge roar.
“Woahhh! Jesus we love you! Jesus you’ll not leave us forsake us.” So I’m gonna say it! So everyone was waiting for me. I say, “The Lord is my helper!” Big roar from the back to the front, “Woaaaah!”
Front people still getting nervous. [Audience laughs] So the Holy Spirit say, “Good! Good! Continue! Say the next line.” I said, “Okay. I can say that. ‘The Lord is my helper, I will not fear’.”
“Woaaah!” [They] clapped, they were shouting, they were jumping, “We will not be afraid! Hallelujah!” And then Jesus said, ‘Why don’t you finish it’? I said, “Okay. I can do that. ‘The Lord is my helper! I will not fear! What can-‘” [Audience: “Man”]
Wait! What can- [whispers ‘man’]. I said, “Lord! This is live streaming.” I said, “This is Singapore.” I said, “There are a lot of people taking down notes right now.” I said, “If I made a statement like that, would I be misconstrued for being defiant? What happens after the service? What- the next thing- the usual thing happened the next morning- *beepu-beepu*.
“On the TV this morning, mega-church pastor Kong Hee has been called in for making the statement, ‘What can man do to me’.” [Audience laughs]
So I was struggling. I was really struggling. My wife was leading song. “He’s looking at me. Kong what’s wrong? I mean we’ve been singing and prasing. C’mon! Finish what you’ve- lets close the meeting.”
I struggled and I struggled. And I tell you that’s what faith is. When all is said and done are you bold enough to speak out what you believe? Finally, I took up every courage I have saying, “The Lord is my helper. I WILL NOT FEAR. WHAT CAN MAN DO TO ME”. And at that moment it’s like heaven broke open and just an anointing THAT hit our place. And from that day unto today the spirit of faith came upon us. [Crowd applauses] We are not the same church we used to be. Oh come on! Give the Lord a big hand!
Oh! If you want to clap somebody? Give the Lord a clap! Somebody scream! [Crowd screams] Somebody go ‘woooo’! [Crowd: Wooo!] Lets all stand on our feet right now shall we? Let’s all stand up on our feet right now. How many of you want to have some faith in this room this morning? Hallelujah!
I wonder how many of you today you need a miracle in your life. If you need a miracle, just put up your hands. Would you just hold your neighbours hands on your left on your right. Just hold your neighbours hand. Let there be no aisles today. Let’s declare this as loud as we can in Jesus name.
Everybody say with me say, “Lord Jesus Christ, [Audience: Lord Jesus Christ ] I forbid any sickness [Audience: I forbid any sickness ] to dwell in my body [Audience: to dwell in my body]. By your stripes I’m healed [Audience: By your stripes I’m healed]. I’m blessed in my finances [Audience: I’m blessed in my finances]. The money will come [Audience: The money will come]. The business will come! [Audience: The business will come!] I will prosper in all that I do! [Audience: I will prosper in all that I do!] In Jesus name I pray- [Audience: In Jesus name I pray-]
If you believe that give the Lord a clap.” – Kong Hee, Presence Conference, Day 1, Session 1: 01:25:10, 2013.
these people are crazy
misuse of Gods word and emotionalism
The irony is that prior to the “…never leave nor forsake” part it talks about the honour of marriage, yet he will forever be inextricably linked to the slutty video he funded his wife to make.
Problem is, he is not the only deluded leader. Since “smart religious Alec” developed the “Christianity salvation” theory, it has been one bloody ride for the world till this day.
And our laws, and elites, permit and support the religious onslaught and deception.
I hope people will begin to wake up and confront the church boldly and expose their hollow and exploitative words and teachings.
Lesser idiots make a better world.
I’m not Christian. Many times, when Christians come to covert me, I get into a little discussion with them. One line of defense Christian use is “We do not judge, Only God can judge”. I’m seeing Christian judging Christian here ?
You are mentioning a common problem that people have when seeing Christians criticize other criticize Christians. Yes it does look judgemental IF you don’t know know how to evaluate if the criticism is (unfair) personal attack or whether it is biblically correct and doing what the bible actually commands e.g. to expose false teachers who are leading other Christians astray (and will continue to do so if the alarms are NOT sounded).
For the way that many anti-C3 Watch contributors type the way they type, they mustn’t care enough to check whether what is being said in C3 churches is in complete agreement with the bible. They try the “it’s God’s role to judge” and verses like (matthew 7:1) “judge not lest you be judged” distraction tactics. They want all the easy to digest feel-good messages that C3Churches are notorious for, and none of the difficult passages that show God expects believers to grow up, sometimes permits suffering for spiritual growth and so on.
Hebrews 5:12 ” For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”
Part of becoming what is called “a mature Christian” is learning to defend the faith to insiders of the church teaching false teachings as well as outsiders (like yourself who doesn’t believe in Christianity). That takes knowledge and discernment which is something that C3 church attenders are severely lacking in thanks to many shocking preaching tactics and mind-twisting techniques.
They are being “immunized” against discernment thanks to Pringle trying to label outsiders (who are merely trying to show the whole truth about C3Churches) as spiritual enemies when they are in fact trying to save these church attendees from serious errors that might eventually destroy their faith e.g if personal tragedies or job losses occur. Pringle has promised that IF they continue to give their many tithes and donations to their C3Church it will guarantee blessings. God NEVER promises anything like that in the bible. Hope that answers your question.
Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that KILLETH with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Kenichi Ojeecyaj said:
Congratulations everyone…. you have just fallen into the biggest trap “the enemy” laid for you….. PASSING JUDGEMENTS!!! As Christians, what differentiates us from the rest of this world is the way we LOVE those around us…. ESPECIALLY our enemies, BIG sinners and those who hate us…. I bear no ill will against anyone here, but do reconsider your faith.
A lowly servant of God
1 Tim 5:19 says this Kenichi. Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses. 20 But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning. 21 I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions without partiality, and to do nothing out of favoritism.
What say you lowly servant of God?
Well, Kenichi, I guess you are not interested in practicing biblical discernment? AND you just passed judgment on those commenting here!
God EXPECTS us to judge. In fact, we are sinning against God if we don’t. And our standard is God’s word
“Christians are called to engage with God with the fullness of their minds (Mark 12:30). This includes using critical thinking to evaluate the words of our leaders and teachers. Luke wrote, “Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true” (Acts 17:11 NIV). The Bereans did not take the teachings of Paul at face value. Rather, they discerned for themselves whether his teachings lined up with what they knew of God. This is not to say that the Bereans did not esteem Paul or automatically dismissed his teachings. Instead, they were cautious. They did not trust Paul merely because he was a leader of the faith. They examined his words and made sure they were in line with God’s truth before accepting them. Christians should do the same today. This concept is confirmed elsewhere in the Bible.
For instance, John wrote, “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1). False teachers and leaders are everywhere. We must test what our leaders say in order to ensure they are leading us closer to God. Paul writes to the Ephesians, “Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ” (Ephesians 4:14-15 NIV). Here Paul is saying that some earthly leaders are really liars. Second Peter 2 speaks harshly against such false teachers. Not all who teach falsely do so intentionally, but the end result of false teaching is uncertainty. When we believe lies, we are robbed of the fullness of life we have been given in Christ (John 10:10).
As Paul instructed Timothy, Christians should “Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers” (1 Timothy 4:16). Leaders deserve our respect but not our blind following. Anything we are taught must line up with the truth of God. We can be open to learning new things and understanding God in new ways. Certainly we should not assume that our way of thinking is necessarily correct. However, we should not accept teachings that contradict the Word of God. Nor should we automatically accept everything our leaders say. As the Bereans did, we should approach teachings with eagerness to learn but also wariness about their truth. We must search the Scriptures for ourselves and attune our spiritual ears to the discernment of the Holy Spirit that we might “test everything; hold fast what is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21)”. HT Compelling Truth
thanks Berean well said
thanks again Berean im currently doing a bible study on your teaching its so enlightening. i feel so happy to know the truth makes me realize how manipulative phil pringle, kong hee and the rest of their associates are. The term dont judge is really misused and because of a lack of understanding of christians including myself these evil leaders have been able to deceive and control people. im really grateful for what i am learning from this site.
Yochanan Eliyahu Ben Hassan said:
I saw this article about this Kong Hee and I laughed . But I laughed with sadness . I mean , how far the church has fallen and backslidden from the original Hebraic Roots of its Faith which are Faith in Messiah Yahushua and Torah Obedience . When I speak about Torah , I do not mean just only the 10 Commandments as you christian always claim . Torah is a set of Instructions and Precepts from Genesis to Deuteronomy which make up 613 Commandments that you christians largely ignored . The rest of the Bible can only be understood if you christians return to Torah and make an effort to understand each and every Commandments of the 613 Commandments and to obey them . Then and only then you will know whether this preacher is speaking truth or is he just a charlatan . Shalom shalom