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We originally were going to publish a long-winded response to all the misleading and deceptive comments Phil Pringle made in the below transcript. However, we wish to frame the below transcript with the motivations of Sun Ho and the Cross Over project.
Pastor Sun Ho said the following about her music album release which featured her song China Wine:
“I’m really excited about this album, because I feel like it really represents me even though it’s in English.” [Source]
“Wyclef was so amazing! He would pick up his guitar and we started just writing the song and we call it “China Wine… I want to work with the choreographer to come up with “China Wine” dance steps and stuff. Seriously, I can’t wait to grow in America and I can’t wait for people to see me…” [Source]
Here is Pastor Sun Ho’s music video clip China Wine. Ask yourself this question, can you see this video clip convicting people of their sins and as a result. repent and turn to Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins?
Keep this information in mind.
On the 9th of June, Phil Pringle said the following (transcript below):
“Anyway – ah, when I’m in Singapore, generally Pastor Kong and Sun are not cos they are out, just ah, staying in the Asian Christian community preaching and – ah, making sure that everybody knows they’re still alive, ah- facing a lot of challenges, a lot of battles. A lot of people who um- you know have ah have ah – taking sides against them and- And ah- people just love to be critical. And you know, ah, there are times-ah with believers, I’m not sure if I care if they were right or wrong and- and in this case, this- this couple are the two of the most holy people I know. And I get convicted when I am around them. And I am a very holy person and ah – [audience laughs]. Anyway, I-I-I will ignore the fact that you laughed then. Amen! Ha ha ha!
So- ha ha hum! Uh- Just ask my wife how holy I- no don’t! And uh- yeah so- we um- anyway we were up there in ah- Singapore treading the wi- ONE OF THE THINGS- i- it’s a horrible if you are treading the wine press all on your own. And uh- to have some friends with you- even if, you know- uh- a- e- i- I like – I like the fact that Jesus stood with us even when we weren’t that great. I know most of you have- have been really great people all your life and done bad. But I’m glad he’s still with me anyway when I- met my moments of challenge and difficulty.
And even if you’re right, you know and ah- a- in- to- to be persecuted for that is a challenging thing.
Now this church is one of the greatest churches in the world. If I was to pick five great churches in the world, this would be one of them. In the whole world. This church is impacting nations, like taking the population ratio of Taiwan from two percent to ah- ten per cent oh- a- over a period of ten years. Ah- Astonishing results in many, many Christian- ah, in many, many ah- Asian nations in ah- Christian concerts that Sun was performing in, about a hundred and ah- ten concerts. In- In those she had about a hundred and forty thousand people come to Christ. So that was the purpose of um- them, as a church- ah- boosting that- ah – singing career. And ah- so anyway- ah- apart from all that fact, we are great friends of this church and are standing with them, seeing them ah- through this incredible challenge they are facing at present. And uh- they’ve had some good news in this last week, even though the pressure is still on- eh- eh- at an equal level. But I just wanted to play a little clip from last weekend when I was with him. Thanks guys!”
[Plays Video]
Amen! Well, the Pastor of that church is gonna be speakin’ at Presence Conference next week. Kong Hee. And the Advisory Pastor will also be speaking at that conference next week. Amen! So ah- it is going to be such an astonishing time. One of the reasons I show you that- just to get a visual of what this church is going to look like in a few years time amen! And ah- Presence will help us get to that place as we keep moving!
That’s one of seven services they have over a weekend. They also have Chinese and Indonesian services. Ah- but um- that one is actually the smaller of the two weekend services. Um- English speaking services. The night before is the Saturday night one which is the largest service during the week. And uh- that’s exciting though every time I get in amongst their great church and feel the power of their prayer life, their discipline and ah- and moving forward. And no wonder the- the devil has done everything he can to try and oppose them.
We’re gonna see revival around all the nations of the world, every tip where there’s a C3 Church- next week we are upgrading and going up a level, without any doubt at all.” – Phil Pringle, C3 Church Oxford Falls, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiKrMwtZGSk.
To understand what happened prior to this transcript, please read the following article:
What Is Phil Pringle Trying To Hide? *Update 3* (03-07-2013)
C3 Church Watch 
Key line in all that garble – “I don’t care if they’re wrong or right”
Proverbs 3:30 – “Do not accuse anyone for no reason – when he has done you no harm”
That is my preface.
I try to be kind, and not accuse for no reason. In fact I’m not accusing here; I find it hard to comprehend some of Phil’s quotes, ie “and no wonder the devil has done everything he can to try and oppose them”.
Some very implicating emails were presented in court, about payments made to Jason Herz et al. Not to mention the alleged coverup. Therefore I cannot accept Phil’s devil-opposing statement with any merit. Sure, even King David was enticed and paid for it (Bathsheba AND the census). But to then say that those were trials and the devil is to blame are not based, as ultimately David made the conscious decision.
My conclusion is that if the court matters were a deliberate misuse of funds, Phil should not be sticking up for them as if they’ve done nothing wrong.
The following is an except from C.H. Spurgeon (I attribute this to him, not plagiarising). I find this very timely given the current circumstances. BTW I am not inferring Kong is not in Christ; it just ties in with my above post of suffering when it’s actually you’re on fault. Maybe God will be gracious and deliver them.
“We must not imagine that we are suffering for Christ, and with Christ, if we are not in Christ. Beloved friend, are you trusting to Jesus only? If not, whatever you may have to mourn over on earth, you are not “suffering with Christ,” and have no hope of reigning with him in heaven. Neither are we to conclude that all a Christian’s sufferings are sufferings with Christ, for it is essential that he be called by God to suffer. If we are rash and imprudent, and run into positions for which neither providence, nor grace has fitted us, we ought to question whether we are not rather sinning than communing with Jesus.”
It is nothing short of astonishing to listen to some of these sel-appointed “pastors” and the absolute drivel they expound. The “umming and arring’ which occurs when many of them take to the stage is testimony to the fact that they are not speaking for God! I’m pretty sure God would be a litle more certain of what He wanted to say and a little more adept at saying it.
Secondly:
“I know most of you have- have been really great people all your life and done bad. But I’m glad he’s still with me anyway when I- met my moments of challenge and difficulty.
And even if you’re right, you know and ah- a- in- to- to be persecuted for that is a challenging thing.”
1 – Phil is saying he (Phil) has done “bad” (haven’t we all?). That implies he’s taking the focus of “badness” and attention and putting it on him.
2 – Yes, persecution is a challenging thing. But being PERsecuted for doing good and being PROsecuted for allegedly illegal activities is a different story.
I would partially concur with Phil’s standing by Kong if Phil at least admitted Kong – like implicating himself above – had possibly done something “bad”.
What has transpired is no ordinary ‘error’ or indiscretion made at moment of human weakness. What has happened was the result of careful thought and planning before its implementation, some idea that was clearly very troubling from the start if not clearly wrong but still endorsed or condoned by the leaders. As the execution of the plan progressed, the stench of sin became obvious for many to smell and cry foul but still the leadership remained unrepentant and carried on. Without any slightest indication of shame or any concern for the welfare of members, the leaders pressured them to donate and give money until it hurts, to downgrade their houses etc and give to CHC, with little or no concern to the financial hardship and conflicts caused to families as a consequence of it. And yet we have leaders that who ‘piously’ caution us not to cast the first stone. If desiring them to admit a wrong done and repent and restore the church is regarded as casting stones, so be it. Too much damage has been done to the church worldwide because christians chose to be silently ‘loving’ and now the non christian world is mocking the name of Christ and pouring scorn on us. To remain silent will only mean to them that we are just nothing but a defensive guillible bunch that appears to condone the wrong done. Enough is enough.
OK I’m going for gold today.
Re China Wine. Firstly, I don’t care about the music video. All that dancing and stuff is quite normal. That is, unless it’s Sun Ho – pastor of CHC, in the video. Let’s go:
1 – At 1:45, she has 4 women crouched around her, running their hands over her body. Wow. Maybe she’s promoting lesbianism or bisexuality? Great example of Christianity in the Crossover project. Again, this is Sun Ho, pastor of CHC. THIS I really have a problem with.
2 – As previously said today – is this the kind of video that the Crossover project was supposed to lead people into a deep repentance?
3 – Seriously, what musical or lyrical value does this song have? The same could be said of most similar music. So the CHC building fund went to pay for this kind of career.
I say it again! If another person, even another Christian did this music video, I wouldn’t really care (maybe if it was a Christian). But it’s not – it’s “one of the holiest people I know” (Phil) and openly the Pastor of CHC, Sun Ho! I don’t care if a Christian makes it big in the music industry, announces their faith, and manages to make some kind of influence in the world for God. Having read books interviewing Bono, I personally would suggest he has (I know some of you won’t, but that’s for another time). But Bono is not openly the lead Pastor of one of the biggest churches in the world. Millions and millions haven’t been ripped from Bono’s church building fund to pay for this. At least Bono isn’t pretending to be someone he’s not. For the older folk here, maybe refer Cliff Richard?
It’s really easy to take Phil Pringle out of context above. Our ears perked when he said, “And even if you’re right, you know and ah- a- in- to- to be persecuted for that is a challenging thing”.
Pringle is TRYING to be balanced at the beginning of this transcript. So don’t isolate what he is trying to say here. It is true we can all be bad. It is true we can do great good, (worldly speaking). And we should thank God that he stands with us when we we blow it BUT repent of ours sins through the process. In all fairness, this is what he seems to be trying to say at this point (except about the repentance part).
There is no doubt he feels uneasy talking about this and is tricky with his words.
“So- ha ha hum! Uh- Just ask my wife how holy I- no don’t! And uh- yeah so- we um- anyway we were up there in ah- Singapore treading the wi- ONE OF THE THINGS- i- it’s a horrible if you are treading the wine press all on your own. And uh- to have some friends with you- even if, you know- uh- a- e- i- I like – I like the fact that Jesus stood with us even when we weren’t that great. I know most of you have- have been really great people all your life and done bad. But I’m glad he’s still with me anyway when I- met my moments of challenge and difficulty.
And even if you’re right, you know and ah- a- in- to- to be persecuted for that is a challenging thing.”
very manipulative and dishonest of phil pringle.
So is, ah, Phil, um, er, Pringle, ah, uh, filled with, ah, um, the, err, um, ah, Holy Spirit?
How I, ah, um, envy him, um, er, and how I, ah, er, wish that I could, um, ah, speak with such, um, certainty – um, with, er, such boldness and, ah, authority that, ah, comes only from, er, um, the God of, uh, Abraham, ah, Isaac, and, um, Jacob!
Hey Phil, what are you going to tell your “church” if Kong Hee and his accomplices end up in Changi? Will you tell them that “the enemy” has won? Surely that could only happen if Kong and his friends don’t have enough “faith” – isn’t that so?
What about you, Phil? How much “faith” do you have? Have you been diligently confessing “victory” over God’s justice and over Singapore’s legal system? Because you don’t look so well these days, Phil – in fact, you look distinctly grey around the gills, like maybe you’re under a fair bit of pressure that is starting to take its toll on you. I can understand that – you’re trying your hardest to keep your followers from understanding what has really transpired at CHC, and you have been walking that tightrope for quite a while now. And people must be wondering why you – an anointed uber-pastor – is stuttering his way nervously through his presentations; why you are fumbling and bumbling like some sweaty-palmed third grader speaking in front of a school assembly. Do you love being on stage at times like that, Phil – when even the less discerning can see that you are tiptoeing your way around the truth and being ever so careful not to slip up or give anything away?
And having to explain yourself in front of your crowd is not your only problem, is it Phil? Because it’s not at all easy to keep people in the dark in this, the Internet age – all it takes is just one person at C3OF to do a little research on the web, and then they mention what they to know to someone else, and the truth just gradually seeps through the congregation. Do you really believe that you can control all your people all the time, Phil? Honestly? Because I don’t think that you can – and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if you were spending your nights tossing and turning as you thought about that.
Eh Zorro, I see a few of your comments re Phil looking unwell and tossing and turning at night were similar to what another dude posted on a previous topic; do you both have the same inside source or just general observation?
I have an impeccable source, and it’s something that I’ve noticed for myself as well.
My source also informs me that another long-time “pastor” at C3 is looking none too healthy, and that a third appears to be suffering from some form of spiritual condition, which is rather worrying. It’s ironic that prosperity pimps are always emphasising the “law” of sowing and reaping, and the thirty years that these “leaders” have spent preaching a false gospel is now catching up with them. It makes me wonder what they see when they look in the mirror, and how they interpret that. One thing is for sure, they are definitely not “being transformed into [the Lord’s] image with ever-increasing glory”.
I don’t know about the other poster, but Phil’s haggard appearance is so marked that it would be hard to miss. Maybe part of his problem is that he wants a “bright and contemporary church”, but that he himself is just too old to keep up any more – which is also quite ironic. Sic transit gloria mundi.
All I can say is “GAG”!!!!
One of the hardest articles to read due to “ah-, eh-” etc being part of the recorded transcript.
Could we just have these sounds covered in a blanket statement before the actual transcript in the future? It would make it much easier to discern exactly what it is that he is saying 🙂
It’s cool that there’s a seemingly-concerned website that attracts much attention. Self-declared church watch that protects the Christian world from wrong teachings. Sounds legit. I’m sure you the owner of this site knows all right from wrong. God probably revealed to you everything they have done behind the scenes (or you have a listening bug in their offices to know everything).
Playing God sure makes you look good. Being sarcastic sure makes you feel.. Ah.. FEEL (ah-get the drift?) intelligent. Sure! Wow I’m so impressed. Come u clap for you.
You aren’t gonna post this up anyways. Just for your entertainment before you delete this post. Even if this is up, I’m not coming back to read all the vocabulary-limited attacks back at me anyways. Cheers!
Just wait for the end of the trial and we shall all see. Oh, when they are proven innocent, people will cry injustice. LOL! When they are apprehended, all cried justice served, law is just. When innocent, all cry that the law is unjust. Hypocrites. No? Ah- wait and uh- see.
“It’s cool that there’s a […] website that attracts much attention.”
Yes, it’s great that those who can see through the deception of places like C3 and CHC have a forum where their voices can be heard. Web sites such as this really do throw a spanner in the works for abusive prosperity / personality cults, and all that the exponents of fraudulent movements can do in response is rage impotently at the truths that are being aired so freely, and so widely.
If you are interested in the facts of the Kong Hee case – including some amazing testimony from those who are very well acquainted with the details of the various goings on inside CHC – I would recommend that you have a look at the following site:
https://www.facebook.com/CHCConfessions
“I’m sure you the owner of this site knows all right from wrong.”
How about you? If someone showed you a photo of a sheep and a photo of a wolf, would you be able to pick the difference? Are you really going to tell us that it takes a rocket scientist to know the difference?
“God probably revealed to you everything they have done behind the scenes […]”
Perhaps *you* serve a pitiful and powerless “god”, but the God I know can most certainly reveal to His faithful followers the hypocrisy of those who masquerade as His servants, but who are not. Maybe you don’t read your Bible much – have you heard of a couple by the names of Ananias and Sapphira, by any chance?
“Even if this [comment] is up, I’m not coming back to read all the vocabulary-limited attacks back at me anyways [sic].”
Vocabulary-limited? I’m sorry, are you talking to me?
“Just wait for the end of the trial and we shall all see.”
We *may* see at the end of the trial, but you can rest assured that we will definitely see on the day that God judges. That day is going to come quickly – far too quickly for the Phil Pringles and the Kong Hees of this world.
“Hypocrites.”
Hypocrites are those who demand that others give “till tears run down their cheeks” and even when they are in “out of control debt”, while they themselves live in multi-million dollar houses, drive expensive cars, and fly around the world indulging their insatiable lust for the high life. Did you know that if anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them?
“ok im going for gold today”. Simeon, thats a very humerous statement. You gave me a good laugh today. Thankyou