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Before reading our article below, please read this court document:
In the document attached to this article, (see Court Document 1) you’ll witness another of C3 Asheville pastor, Nicholas Dimitris’ legal woes. This document is public record, easily found on the internet and seems to show that the FDIC won a case Dimitris brought against them.
Unfortunately, it seems Dimtris now has a judgment against him for around $1.1million. Now, as a felon with a massive financial judgment against him and pending sentencing for pleading guilty to conspiracy to commit bank fraud next week, November 26, it seems that C3 is still fine with him being a pastor. Despite his staff and 2 boards in one year quitting C3 Asheville, oversight persists with Dimitris. Oversight primarily meaning Dean Sweetman due to the fact that 2 other New York C3 pastors both came in to evaluate the situation and recommend that Dimitris be removed. Sweetman continues to stand with Nick Dimitris when hundreds of reputable people have had no other choice other than to walk away.
C3 Asheville once seemed like a growing church of 250 people but is now a shadow of its former self struggling along with 35 people. Having tried twice now, the people nor the 2 boards that left nor the 2 C3 New York pastors had the option to remove Dimitris. Their only option was to leave the church which most have done and mostly in disbelief that Sweetman didn’t act in light of evidence presented to him. Many who left C3 report having had their character assassinated by Dimitris in a subtle and clever campaign to discredit anyone who stands against him.
Another disturbing aspect of this Asheville drama is that according to those who were close to Dimitris, some retirees have lost everything. One retiree in C3 was reportedly asked by Dimtris to take out a $30,000 home equity loan. Nick Dimitris allegedly borrowed it from the retiree with the promise to pay it back in full once he received some big tax refunds. Dimitris did receive his massive tax returns and the retiree is still waiting for his repayment 2 years later.
Another elderly couple report being $50k short in a Dimitris “deal”. Another widow lost her life savings and had to move in with her kids while another retirement aged investor lost half a million. Story after story and tragedy after tragedy are slowly coming to surface over the C3 Asheville scandal.
Perhaps oversight should ask one simple question. What is the fruit that Nick Dimitris bears? Is it a multitude of broken relationships? Is it many people that have testified to losing their retirement or savings? Is it a destroyed church? Destroyed by a man who wouldn’t let go or step down? Is it a culture of corruption? Is it a culture of lies and tearing people down? Perhaps they’re just not close enough to see the fruit.
Recently Dean Sweetman has been commenting on C3 Church Watch. He is the regional director and overseer of the C3 Churches in the Americas. Please familiarise yourself with the background of the scandal that C3 Pastor Nick Dimitris was involved in and how the C3 Church leadership reacted to him.
C3 Asheville Scandal – C3 Pastor Facing Prison (Part 1)
C3 Asheville Scandal – C3 Pastor “Pleads Guilty In Bank Fraud Case” (Part 2)
C3 Asheville Scandal – Sweetmans Do Nothing Against Fraudulent C3 Pastor? (Part 3)
C3 Asheville Scandal – Four “People… Have Pleaded Guilty” Including “[C3] Minister… Nicholas Dimitris” (Part 4)
This is the moment of truth for all. As much as we criticise Dimitris for his actions (which of course were illegal and just horrible), depending on sentencing provisions, it’s likely he would go to jail, which is not good. Jail in Oz is bad; I don’t presume it’s much nicer in the US either.
And it’s the moment of truth for the Sweetmans. As much as I have respect for them, this is more than an oversight. Imagine trying to do this kind of stuff in the private sector – see if you still get kept around! Will he be kept on as a pastor even if he goes to jail?
So it looks like we can return to this page on November 27 and see what the official c3 response will be.
Hold on! It’s all gonna be OK. According to his twitter feed, Dean Sweetman is now promoting the “Simple Tithe App” (www.simpletithe.com). From the looks of things it enables Churches to tracks member’s “giving”, and allows for different giving options. No doubt someone will be considering the Nick Dimitris “Love fund of special giving against evil court judgement for which you will be blesses a hundred fold eventually” offering. There’s no way ND will go to prison then, what with all those blessings and all flying around after all that giving.
And all this for a low 2.9% interest rate plus 80 cent transaction fee so you can borrow money to keep on giving to the “building love fund of miracles”, because we all know that’s a sound biblical concept.
So to make sure you’re “not cursed” by giving less than 10%, you’d better make sure your offering is about 13%?
I’ve been guilty of it – putting my name against my regular tithe (years ago); when building find came along, I was conveniently placed in a financial bracket of givers. Obviously the church had looked at how much I gave (based on my name being in my direct debit info), and calculated how much I earn, and placed me in that bracket. If I wasn’t as nice then as I’m not now, I would’ve given them an earful and almost reported them if there was anywhere to whinge to.
So really this app will be able to log all your details, how much you give/tithe etc. I personally think that’s pretty woeful, especially if the church demands a tithe. Will they use this info against you or for their own gain? Stick to cash otherwise.
That is truly extortionate. Really has to be non-profit making for starters. 0.80c for every transaction??? They could also find an ‘ethical’ bank for one tenth of 2.9% as well.
Aptly named son – 10/10 Dean 🙂
Ah thanks, Thaddeus, that clears things up.
So unless I’m mistaken, what’s happening here is the son of a man who spends his days convincing people to give him and his organisation money creates an app that allows people to give at the moment the congregation has been warmed up (you know, when the lights and music are just right for the pastor to launch in the usual – eyes closed and hands in the air – “some of you here tonight are feeling the need to step out, to give to the Lord in a big way, that’s the Holy Spirit talking to you”).
Well ain’t that grand! Honestly I wish I would have thought of it myself!
And before anyone mentions how 80c is just an inconvenience, let’s make some assumptions as an example. Take a 500 member Church who tithe or give to whatever the building love thanks-for-coming offering of the day is every 2 weeks. That’s $10k a year paid to the maker of the app. So you can see that someone like Dean would love to push it throughout the entire prosperity preaching community!
Simeon is right, besides enabling a C3 minister’s family member to cash in on the congregation it also allows the Church to build up a very nice financial data base.
By the way I love the App’s twitter feed: “Pastor’s, imagine if your Church members were reminded to give right when they walked through the doors!…”. Well that would be brilliant, pastors wouldn’t even have to bother with the lights and music show!
Mate I think we were on the same level and our calculation posts came through at the same time lol.
Rickie: “This teaching is addictive and intoxicating stuff. In PP’s own words ‘we give to be blessed and to be prospering’.”
– a truer word has never been spoken. I’ve always said this. That’s why prosperity teaching is so popular – people like (or love) money.
I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed, but..
If you have 10 churches with 100 people, that’s $800 of transaction fees? (Not the 2.9%)
If you get 50 churches to sign up with an average membership of 250, that’s 12,500 transactions with a $10,000 app bonus.
Every week. Not bad eh! Of course, some may not give weekly. Some may give more. Some, like me, don’t tithe. Nor would I use this ap.
Some might say it’s a great business idea, God-inspired.
Some might say they’re making a profit from people’s giving.
Your calcs are correct. It’s per transaction, so the higher the frequency the more revenue for the app. Undoubtedly if I was a C3 pastor and my son developed this app I’d be pushing the congregation to tithe weekly. It provides a more reliable and predictable revenue stream and of course the apps’ revenue would increase significantly. Mind you in the US I believe it’s common practice to be paid every fortnight anyway so on average you’re looking at $20 per church member per year. In your 50 x 250 example it’s $260,000 per year. Assuming people buy into this, and God I hope they can see through this.
But that’s C3. Pay your tithes, pay your miracle love shack offerings to the visiting pastor, buy the books and buy the music. It’s like Apple, a closed marketing world where if you’re in you’re going to be marketed to in a big way.
“Will they use this info against you or for their own gain? Stick to cash otherwise.”
Well they will use the info against you even if you don’t have the app.
We may have to do an article on this.
So sad and shameful.
Mal 3:10 ‘Bring the full tithe into the storehouse … see if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you an overflowing blessing’.
My Church leaders say they tithe because they want to ‘live under an open window from heaven’.
This teaching is addictive and intoxicating stuff. In PP’s own words ‘we give to be blessed and to be prospering’.
They give in order to receive. They do not give out of love and from the heart.
There should be a law against this sort of thing.
OK, I’ll repeat – I’m still not the sharpest tool in the shed; but this video gets me mad.
Firstly – “Passionate spirituality – this is measured in tithing”.
So, despite that I pray, worship, read my Bible, ask the Spirit to help me live a holy life – I’m not spiritually passionate. According to Phil Pringle I’m not.
Second – Phil says “It’s not the amounts, it’s just the sacrifice and heart to be involved is there”.
I repeat – “It’s not the amounts”.
Yet he goes on to say, “What we can do is look on the Arise and Build records”, and also “Came back with a number that boggled my mind”.
So, Phil says that it’s not the amount of money that matters, but they can check, and remember as he said, “We can tell if a church is spiritually passionate…..but by HOW MUCH (my emphasis) they actually give.”
So what is it? Everyone is passionate and gives a small amount? And is then considered that they’re not passionate givers because just like in Kong’s church, until “tears stream down their faces”? Or is your church “spiritually passionate” by the amount you’ve got in the bank? PLEASE, go tell that to a small church in the suburbs! Or Africa! Or an underground church! You guys aren’t passionate because you don’t have millions in the bank!
Sorry, I’m starting to have enough of this stuff, of the movement, especially if it’s a real representation of what c3 stands for. Just be honest – tell the pastors you need to build big buildings, so get your church to give. Tell them you have bills to pay.
You know, I’d say much worse, but I’m trying to keep a reasonably decent attitude by not falsely accusing, just saying what I think is false…otherwise I’d let rip.
I’m sure the that the .80 transaction fee goes down once the users hit a certain base. It seems like everyone on this site has an opinion on tithing, but there are people that give freely and an app like this only helps people give more consistent if they want. I tithe not because I am brainwashed, but I believe in the local church and what it can do for a community.
if the app was genuinely made to help the church members, ie “to help them tithe more easily”,, then the 80 cents per transactíon would be collected to help the needy church members or donated to charity. If Dean’s son collects the 80 cents per transaction for himself then the obvious purpose for the app is for Dean’s son to make money from people tithing.
Annette, that doesn’t make any sense at all. Just because he is Dean’s son doesn’t mean he can’t create an application that makes giving easier. If you check out similar tools they are much more costly and require upfront fees. From what I see, all he charges is a transaction fee. Let me summarize -> Pastor’s son creates an app and spends time on design & development and countless hours and you want him to donate all his transaction fees? How about you donate all the money you make at your job? The app truly does fill a void – especially with the younger generation who wants to give without writing a check or filling out a form.
Just a quick update to C3 Church watch: Nick was sentenced to 1 year and 1 day in prison today at his sentencing as well as 3 years probation. The prosecutors wanted more and said this was just the tip of the iceberg with him but the Judge was lenient.
It will be interesting to hear how Dean addresses this or if he even addresses it at all. Maybe we can actually here him say I’m sorry to all the people who’ve been hurt through this but I wouldn’t count on it. Sorry doesn’t seem to be in his vocabulary.
Do you know if that is actual time to serve in custody or suspended?
Quite sad really, he’s probably got kids, a wife.
Interesting to note, I just checked out the c3 Asheville website. On the front page, quite prominently at the bottom – a box to fill in how much you want to give. Really says something there doesn’t it.
how about just giving cash. also i dont think íts a responsible way to give, especially for a church like kong hee’s church who are pressured to give till tears run down their face. they could walk out of church with an empty bank account. also im sure that making this app is not Deans sons entire job, and no-one should use the church for business opportunities anyway.
How many people carry cash? I know for my family, we budget out an amount we give per month and it is not a pressure driven situation. This is what my family and I want to give with an open heart and I would consider this responsible giving. This one app probably isn’t his full time job, but I bet he has a skill set that enabled him to make this app. He isn’t using church for business opportunities – its improving a process that may help churches down the road to collect money to help the community and others down the road easily.
Rogerthat we both know there’s a direct conflict of interest, that’s main issue I have. It’s developed by son of the guy who tells people to give him money, which in turn allows the son to profit. It enables the pastor to warm up the audience to give on the spot. You know when it’s happening, the music is slowed down and sets the mood, as are the lights, the congregation goes quiet and the pastor stars his manipulation. I’m assuming you do not see it as manipulation, but that’s another discussion. I do.
“He isn’t using church for business opportunities”, right if you believe that I’ve got a building fund I’d like you to consider offering to. C3 is full of senior ministers pitching their books, music, art, whatever they can at their congregation. And they do it for profit – I haven’t seen anything which leads me to believe differently. Heck, C3 ministers even travel to other C3 churches and get paid extra for it, it’s like musical chairs for cash.
“I’m sure the that the .80 transaction fee goes down once the users hit a certain base.”. And you’re basing that assumption on what exactly?
You know when people start defending the indefensible they are in deep. I hope that one day you may regain your sense of perspective.
“… that’s main issue I have. It’s developed by son of the guy who tells people to give him money, which in turn allows the son to profit. It enables the pastor to warm up the audience to give on the spot. You know when it’s happening, the music is slowed down and sets the mood, as are the lights, the congregation goes quiet and the pastor stars his manipulation…”
https://c3churchwatch.com/2012/03/26/c3-leader-move-away-from-the-emotional-moment-of-a-service-to-give-money/
“He isn’t using church for business opportunities […]”
The so-called practice of “tithing” is a rort, which is based on the twisting of Scripture and manipulation of cult members by means of fear and greed, among others. Charging money for an app to facilitate the theft of money under false pretences is akin to the Mafia charging a “transaction fee” on payments they receive as a result of their protection rackets. So, strictly speaking, you are correct – Dean and Barn Sweetman are not using the C3 cult for business opportunities, they are using it to perpetrate a fraud against their hapless victimes.
“[…] its improving a process […]”
I bet that’s exactly what the money changers in the temple claimed. Do you know what Jesus had to say about that, Rogerthat?
“[…] that may help churches down the road […]”
And when, exactly, did the C3 cult have any interest in real churches, other than to mercilessly castigate them or co-opt them into Phil Pringle’s blasphemous borg?
“[…] to collect money to help the community and others down the road easily.”
Oh, the money is to help others!
So could you please tell us, Rogerthat, where we can obtain a copy of the audited accounts of Dean’s “church”, so that we can acquaint ourselves with exactly where said money is coming from and where it is going? Can you apprise us of how much Dean’s remuneration package amounts to? Can you let us know who pays for Dean and his wife when they go out “preaching” and “teaching” on their spiritual jaunts? Could you inform us of where the money comes from to pay for visiting “pastors” – air fares, accommodation, speaking fees, expenses, and the like? And if you can’t, could you tell us why not?
Just read on the Simple Tithe website (all with bad punctuation, which makes you wonder) –
“Track giving by date, member and giving type”
So, you can tell WHO is giving WHAT and FREQUENCY.
If they give the same amount each week, the church can figure out their income. Knowledge is power! Could they target different kind of giving to those who make the big bucks?
Tell me if you think this is wrong – that high end givers to a certain church fund get invited to a special lavish dinner at a swanky restaurant. Not the low end givers.
AND, then the owners of Smart Tithe know how much each CHURCH give, no matter their denomination. More knowledge! More power! Oh wait, could it be a vehicle to take over financially unviable churches?!
I get a feeling this is similar to George Orwell’s 1984.
Seriously guys?? I use 10 months of my life spending a lot of nights up til 1am trying to build an amazing app and this is what you have to say? Do any of you actually have anything positive to say at all?
You guys have moved way beyond criticizing churches and pastors now. You’re just trying to have a go at anybody that tries to do anything beyond raising a family and working a 9-5. It’s just pathetic. All I can picture is a bunch of religious guys with the “crazy eyes” that push people away from Christianity while they could be drawing people in.
I live in Nashville, TN. I challenge you guys to come visit and have a beer with me. I honestly am curious as to what you guys are like in person. It simply fascinates me thinking about it. Part of me really hopes that you carry the love of Christ when you chat with someone, but the way you guys throw darts on here, it’s hard to see it.
Anyone up to proving me wrong?
“I use 10 months of my life spending a lot of nights up til 1am trying to build an amazing app and this is what you have to say? Do any of you actually have anything positive to say at all?”
We were thinking how to respond to your comment since you come across as someone who loves your mom, your dad and Jesus. We understand why you are defensive. We do have positive things to say. Although we warn and highlight error, we point people to the scriptures and encourage people to hold to the truth of the gospel.
In saying this, it grieves us you have created an app that is doing more harm then good. The app we are talking about is your Simple Tithe app.
Just like we originally gave your father the benefit of the doubt when he first started commenting here, we wish to treat you with the same respect. We would like to think of you as someone who fears God and therefore respects and submits to His Word (Ecclesiastes 12:13) as a student does to their teacher. (We are not to tamper with His Word!)
In saying this, we wish to stress to you the dangers of the false doctrine of tithing and how it undermines the very work of Christian evangelism. It does not free the Christian. It binds and curses – just as Phil Pringle teaches it does in Malachi 3:8-10. This false doctrine opposes the gospel of saving grace. As a result of saying this, we hope you understand the serious nature of this claim. Therefore, please study to see if what we say is true or false.
We would like to think that as a faithful Christian – you challenge us on this. In doing so, please listen to this resource and study the tithe doctrine for yourself.
http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2014/01/are-christian-required-to-tithe.html
Don’t fall for emotional responses or peer pressure on this topic. Do your best to read everything you read in context and ask the hard questions. Seek God’s counsel in His Word after hearing this and then be open to hear both sides of the argument.
We don’t say this to create right or wrong camps. We say this because we see a lot of good people and families hurt by this teaching. It is true that we can hurt people in our ignorance. Therefore, it is important we know what we believe so we don’t cause unnecessary harm. Please allow your God-given reason to faithfully study the scriptures on this issue. God bless you Barn in your studies..
(I’m a bit slow here….meant to post this a few days ago – when one of these copy and paste things lost)
Hey Barn
Welcome! It’s great to see you! Another legitimate c3 member on our forum! Man, you even sound like your father in your writing!
And yes, I’m being serious. The forum quite happily welcomed your father to discuss things with us, usually on a healthy basis. And I’m sure many will here. Of course, there will be two sides of the story – what the evidence says happened in Ashville, and what you say happened in Ashville. Maybe you also have evidence. Refer my post concerning Kong vs Prosecution and evidence and intent.
(oh firstly – I am an ex-c3 member) Anyway, I’m not here to talk about that. I wanted to quote something you said – something along the lines of saying “we say all c3 churches are the same” etc, just because Ashville fell etc. Well the good news is – they’re not. I know (at least?) one in my city that is decent. A good pastor and his wife, generally good things. I’m sure there’s many little ones like this across the nation and the world. BUT – the reason we critique (many would say criticise), air our opinion and concerns is that the leading c3 churches, or at least, without giving specific names except for Oxford Falls – we see things that just aren’t right, doctrinally or in leadership etc. Others can vouch for Oxford Falls, so other than having seen mannerism, teachings etc of Phil, I can’t specifically comment on Oxford Falls. But remember, it does flow from the head down.
I focus on others – churches where some of us grew up in, got married in, had children in. Then, whilst you are still there, you get little checks in your heart about doctrine, the showmanship, the hype, or, as someone else quoted, nepotism. I have one in mind; where you give your kids jobs because they have the same surname? I can’t speak for your Dad, Barn. But I’ve witnessed where all family members of a senior pastor basically run the church, get church plants, get special favours, all because they’re family members. I mean, what more could you want? I know we could all stamp the ground and say with pity, “it’s unfair!”. But the truth is, it IS unfair. Getting a cruisy job thanks to Dad? So that, Barn, is what I focus on. Then, as I have covered before – how a particular church deals with now ex-staff. To see a young father get shunted and treated like a criminal – having the door locks changed, network passwords changed etc – then you see these “pastors” get up on stage and talk about “your best life” – that’s hypocrisy! And you think I can keep attending a church like that?
Oh and I forgot – when marriages fall apart! Due to the person? Maybe. But maybe they’re addicted to the culture of the church that Phil talks so strongly about in You The Leader. That church has to be high (or possibly highest) on your personal list. I mean – look at the Vision Builders brochure. It says to firstly pay (not give) your tithe, THEN your debt, THEN you should try and get some into building fund. No, it’s not about that Phil! It’s about putting God FIRST in your life, you family second, then church somewhere down the list. If you think that’s how money should be prioritised? Fine, do it! But “Pay” your tithe? The concept that church is the most important? Pushing the church culture so hard that you’ll go and serve at church rather than take your husband out on his birthday? The person or the culture?
I’m sure many of these churches we “have a go at” do decent things. But I tell you – I’m glad I’m out of C3. I don’t plan on returning. Having seen how leadership treat people, and treat their own, I can’t go there. And THAT’S why I air my concerns.
You know what I said to God this morning, and I’m being serious – Ephesians 4:27 – “…do not give the devil a foothold, opportunity” etc. I want to maintain a good attitude through here. I don’t want to say anything out of sin. I don’t want to be personally attacking without reason (Proverbs 3:30). However, as pointed out so many times, there are Biblical reasons for challenging what is going on. How many times did Paul warn the EARLY church (ie it was happening back then) about false teachers? About divisive people? When I attend a church where staff are shunted, nepotism is rife, attitudes flow from the top down (ie I’m unapproachable, as TheTruth said about G. Moore), don’t you think I can share my concerns, especially if the Bible warns of it? People did so about Nick. People do so about Kong. However they don’t affect me personally. So the overview is – I am speaking up and labelling not all c3 churches the same – but bringing to light the things that are going on that shouldn’t be.
EDIT – Barn, please read this.
As heaps of others have commented in the past few hours – without being rude, I think you need to take a massive step back, away from church (not God), and look at c3 from outside in, not inside out. You were born, raised, and (it seems like it) live c3. You haven’t known any different.
Now, I’m not bringing the c3 element into it yet, but I was the same in a former church – almost addicted to it. IT set my standards, it was my life. I never questioned leaders. But it was only when I couldn’t go anywhere, due to an injury – that I realised that it wasn’t the best life, leaders weren’t correct in everything they said etc.
There’s so many movies, cultish groups etc that are like this – you’re born and raised in it and you don’t know any better. And I saw it as a youth leader – young people born and raised in the church, and went to a Christian school. Not only do they have no perception of the real world, they are completely focused and live and breathe church.
So Barn, you’re obviously passionate about your church. But it’s the only way you’ve known. C3 is right to you in every way and it can do no wrong. Adding to the “don’t listen” topic others touched on, there seems to be this universal “untouchable” status amongst c3 leaders. And why? Who is Phil Pringle accountable to?
Remember, it’s not until you’re in a helicopter out of the water that you can see the sharks approaching…
“Do any of you actually have anything positive to say at all?”
I do, Barn: I’m positive that you are a very deluded individual. (Sadly, I’m not at all surprised – C3 has that effect on people).
Tell us, has Dean ever proffered his apologies to anyone over the Asheville debacle, or does he think that by quietly fading into the sunset he has been absolved of that particular responsibility?
P.S. Could you please let us know from exactly what institution it was that “Doctor” Jill received her PhD? Thanks.
Hey Barn! Wow the app looks great! I know there’s a “marketplace” and “entrepreneurial” push in C3 globally (I mean it’s easy when the senior pastors own masses of investments), so you’ve got it right here!
Well I do actually congratulate you on your app. Hard work pays off!
Got some concerns though….
So the 2.9% + 80c could make you quite a wealthy man! Well, I suppose the code of business is all about money. Even Solomon said “Money is the answer to everything”. I mean, credit card companies and banks take a slice!
What gets me cranky, and I’ll admit it Barn, it may not be your fault, but you did implement it in the app:
“Track giving by date, member and giving type”
1st January Bob Moore tithes $400
15th January Bob More love offering $20
22nd January Bob Moore Building Fund $50
1st February Bob Moore tithes $400
22nd February Bob Moore Building Fund $50
1st March Bob Moore Tithe – $0
1st April Bob Moore Tithe – $0
22nd April Bob Moore Building Fund $0
“Hey Bob, why aren’t you giving? You’re under a curse now you know! There’s no way you’re gonna get blessing on the $100 you put in the building fund OR the love offering for that preacher!”
Maybe it’s down to how the church implements it, and if that’s so, well I suppose it’s not your problem. I mean, legislation is made by the Parliament but interpreted and implemented by the judicial system, right?
I gave to a church building fund; things got tight but I decided in my heart to pay it off. I didn’t get a chair or wall named after me (as my accountant suggested I should!!); but what INFURIATED!!!!! me, was I got a phone call from one of the pastors in the lead up to the next building fund. “Now we’ve looked at your past giving in the building fund and we’ve decided you fall into this group”. Well I was cranky at the time. But if that happened now, watch out pastor. How dare the church compare my giving and then suggest I should give! On the side – that pastor has now quit, and rarely attends church. I wonder why? Worked to the bone? Sick of the facade? (See my other post in the C3 Wedding Wrecking-Ball post; you know who you are).
But I think you could shoot for the stars even higher Barn; in fact, you’re missing out on a MASSIVE audience who could be using your app – people like me – people who don’t believe in tithing!!! Why call it Simple Tithe, when if you called it “Simple Giving”, you could open your app up to a whole new world of churches, even not-for-profit organisations! Imagine that – c3 member creates app that revolutionises giving for international aid agencies!! No more charity collectors standing on city corners hassling you to save whales, children, koalas, bilbies…. your fame is awaiting!!!! Select “International Aid Agency name”, $5, then BOOM!!!!!
You never know!!!!
God bless
Nick Dimitris has now been incarcerated in a federal prison in Virginia. He is no longer a C3 pastor but his church continues independently in Asheville.
October 2018 What a debauchery!!! All these years later and the only thing that has changed is the name of Nick and Emily’s church.