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While families and workers grieved over their deceased in the siege in Sydney’s Martin Place, C3’s Chris Pringle promoted the latest and tasteless # fad.
Being careful not to offend or upset this group of people in society who are believed to have a disadvantage, Chris Pringle managed to go one step further than Bobbie Houston. Below, you can see Chris Pringle wearing a head-covering and embracing a group of Muslim women to show she is embracing of minority groups.
Can you imagine pastors like Charles Spurgeon behaving this way? Leonard Ravenhill? David Wilkerson? Paul Washer?
Sadly Bobbie Houston reveals how shallow the “church” is in our culture with her rush to join the twitterati’s #IllRideWithYou campaign. Why is it so important for these leaders to ride the social trend of political correctness? Or was it the social media wave of attention given to the Martin Place siege that was the carrot?
The first article below from the Australian exposes the absurdity of the #IllRideWithYou fad that these self-appointed leaders were capitalising on. Not only was this fad tasteless, the person who started the #IllRideWithYou fad made up the incident (read second article below). It is worth visiting the second article and reading the comment section.
Wisdom is what was needed here. Is trying to be relevant gone too far?
The Australian reports,
Hashtag for an imaginary backlash
ONE of our greatest handicaps in overcoming the pernicious threat of Islamic extremism is the emergence of Islamist denialism — a stubborn refusal to confront the reality of our dilemma.
Even in the wake of this week’s death and trauma, there are deliberate attempts in public debate to ignore the jihadist flag, terrorist modus operandi, video demands on behalf of Islamic State and anti-West grievances.
The ABC managed to run an online profile piece entitled “Who was Man Haron Monis, the man behind the Sydney siege?” without including the words Muslim or Islam and mentioning terrorism only in a quote from Monis’s lawyer stressing the gunman had no links to organised groups.
On Twitter, ABC host Rebecca Huntley and former ABC host Monica Attard were eschewing the terrorist descriptor and focusing on mental health issues.
Others on television were looking for legal, domestic and mental health explanations — anything but jihad.
Yet it is precisely this sort of solo attack that has been foreshadowed by security agencies and has been exhorted by terrorist groups.
Former ASIO chief David Irvine warned about the risk of homegrown “lone wolf” attacks as far back as 2012.
“That is the issue that I think keeps both me and my international colleagues awake at night,” he said.
While 17 blameless citizens endured hours of unspeakable terror that the nation hoped — en masse and in vain — would be resolved safely, a misguided social media campaign highlighted our national incomprehension of Islamist terror.
It proclaimed solidarity with Muslims who might feel uneasy travelling on public transport, through a Twitter hashtag of #Iwillridewithyou. Nice thought. Except it was an empty response to an imaginary problem.
And in the real world, at that time, innocent lives were in the balance.
This was political correctness on steroids as people distanced themselves from a possible Islamophobic backlash to an act of Islamist violence still unfolding.
We understand the lurch for an empathetic embrace but it ignored and demeaned the harsh reality.
No doubt across the nation most people would have been preoccupied with the fate of the hostages. But while social media is self-selecting and introspective, it also plays strongly into mainstream media.
So we saw a grotesque turning away from the horrific plight of innocent people in real peril to focus on empathy for Muslims in our midst who faced no threat.
Some participants, such as ABC presenter Virginia Trioli, argue that #Iwillridewithyou was one “bright spot” on a dark day, demonstrating our shared humanity.
And what could be wrong with a little love on such a trying day?
Priorities might be a good place to start. The Martin Place siege was a callous and life-threatening episode, and focusing on possible future personal abuse on public transport seemed a trite miscalculation. There would be time enough to deal with consequences — afterwards.
And the suggestion that mainstream Australians would indulge in an Islamophobic backlash smacked of leftist self-loathing — with the awful implication that the heinous actions of a gunman were somehow linked to our bigotry.
Worse still, this melds into the narrative of Muslim victimhood. Islamist terrorists rely on such grievances; the woes of the Muslim world are blamed on the West and violence justified as a response to persecution (even when the ultimate aim is Islamic supremacy through a caliphate).
In this respect (and clearly not deliberately) a social media campaign aimed at harmony echoed the Muslim victimhood claims being made in Martin Place.
In a security and ideological struggle set to last many decades, such arguments matter.
When extremists target us because of our values, we ought to stand up for them rather than demean ourselves.
In this country, Muslims are not victims.
By and large, our fellow citizens are inclusive and tolerant.
And while, sadly, every society sees individuals and incidents of prejudice, few nations can match our plurality and harmony.
We saw this unfold in Melbourne yesterday when a Muslim woman was heckled on a train but, of course, was defended by her fellow Australians.
No hashtag required.
We should talk up our robust tolerance, not undermine it.
Our multicultural success should be one of our key strengths as we deal with extremism, not something to be attacked so we can display superior virtue.
We shouldn’t forget that our Muslim population of about 500,000 exists because immigrants strive to enjoy our freedom and tolerance.
Perversely, this same liberal pluralism offends the Islamist extremists and makes us their target.
So, if we are looking for a unity ticket, it is obvious.
The politically moderate Muslim community — the overwhelming majority — and Australia’s non-Muslim community have a shared enemy and are exposed to the same threat.
We need continued and intensified co-operation to combat Islamist extremism — this is our common project.
Prominent Lebanese community leader Jamal Rifi notes the absence of a Muslim victimisation this week: “There is nothing whatsoever, the community has felt no backlash.”
Importantly, as someone involved in community liaison with governments after 9/11 and the Bali bombings, Rifi says there has never been any backlash to speak of, just “isolated incidents”, as he puts it.
At Sydney’s Lakemba Mosque on Monday night, a rabbi addressed the crowd, reading from the Torah, as prayers were offered for the Martin Place hostages.
“This was unprecedented,” Rifi says.
“And the rabbi was listened to, he wasn’t heckled.”
At Martin Place, Australians of all races and creeds placed flowers yesterday.
This is the real Australia, and Islamist extremists are its enemy.
Some seem to think the terrorists will ignore us if we ignore them; but denying the problem will not make it go away.
Source: By Chris Kenny, Hashtag for an imaginary backlash, The Australian, http://m.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/hashtag-for-an-imaginary-backlash/story-fn8qlm5e-1227158594514?nk=b6b5b9093dda89c3c6e9413e7e1e11a0%3Fsv%3Dbb30706598bd5608c994cea32718a676, Published 17/12/2014, 12:00AM. (Accessed 19/12/2014.)
The ‘Poor Richard’s News’ writes,
Surprise! Woman who started viral “I’ll ride with you” story admits it was a complete fake
And here we go with yet another viral story that virtually every media outlet drooled over, and none of them cared to fact check it. As it turns out, that viral story about an Australian woman offering to ride the train with a Muslim woman who was self-conscious about wearing her hijab after the Sydney Siege never happened.
The story is a complete fantasy, so admits Rachael Jacobs, the woman who started the whole thing.
from Quartz:
Confession time. In my Facebook status, I editorialised. She wasn’t sitting next to me. She was a bit away, towards the other end of the carriage. Like most people she had been looking at her phone, then slowly started to unpin her scarf.
Tears sprang to my eyes and I was struck by feelings of anger, sadness and bitterness. It was in this mindset that I punched the first status update into my phone, hoping my friends would take a moment to think about the victims of the siege who were not in the cafe.
I spent the rest of the journey staring—rudely—at the back of her uncovered head. I wanted to talk to her, but had no idea what to say. Anything that came to mind seemed tokenistic and patronising. She might not even be Muslim or she could have just been warm! Besides, I was in the “quiet carriage” where even conversation is banned.
By sheer fluke, we got off at the same station, and some part of me decided saying something would be a good thing. Rather than quiz her about her choice of clothing, I thought if I simply offered to walk her to her destination, it might help.
It’s hard to describe the moment when humans, and complete strangers, have a conversation with no words. I wanted to tell her I was sorry for so many things—for overstepping the mark, for making assumptions about a complete stranger and for belonging to a culture where racism was part of her everyday experience.
But none of those words came out, and our near silent encounter was over in a moment.
My second status was written as a heartbreaking postscript to my first. While the woman appeared to appreciate my gesture, we had both left defeated and deflated. What good is one small action against an avalanche of ignorance?
read the rest
So, the woman’s head scarf may not have been a hijab, and she may not have been a Muslim, and she may not have been self-conscious about riding the train. All of that was pure bleeding-heart fantasy from a university professor who wanted some attention online.
And boy, did she get it!
I could keep going, but you get the picture. Virtually every news outlet in America covered the story and reported Rachael Jacobs’s story as if it were fact. None of them bothered to fact check the story. They swallowed a lie that fit a narrative they liked and then regurgitated it all over the world.
This is the state of “journalism” today.
#illLIEtoyou
UPDATE: Just for comparison’s sake, here’s her original story:
There was no “put it back on.” There was no crying. There was no hugging. This story simply did not happen.
Source: Surprise! Woman who started viral “I’ll ride with you” story admits it was a complete fake, Poor Richard’s News, http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/105612206913/surprise-woman-who-started-viral-ill-ride-with, Published 19/12/2014. (Accessed 22/12/2014.)
Hear the absurd logic of Rachael Jacobs:
“I’m also a teacher and lecturer and have a responsibility to represent my profession and institution. At a time of heightened emotions, a misplaced word or phrase could cause offence, requiring numerous explanations and reassurances.“
Jacobs states that “At a time of heightened emotions, a misplaced word or phrase could cause offence”. Nevertheless, to falsify an account to start a fad is apparently alright. (Is this the way a “teacher and lecturer” represents their “profession and institution” these days)
The “real story of inspiration”was false. That’s okay, Jacobs appears to think it is alright to mislead, “thousands to publicly and loudly stand up for a decent and humane world,” while lacking in any humane integrity to begin with.
Since when was dishonesty “humane”? The falsified account has captured people’s false ideology of producing a false utopia.
We’ve seen in history what happens when the church rides with popular culture and says nothing with this kind of dangerous thinking. We’ve seen in history what happens when the people are governed by emotion, lies and a mob mentality.
We have seen what happens when the culture is driven to obtain an idealistic utopia above all else. Our culture is changing and the undiscerning leaders of Hillsong are leading the churches of Australia into it’s depravity in the names of “relevance”. Oh- and Jesus too.
C3 Church Watch 
Totally unnecessary. Another example of the church trying to be “relevant”. On the contrary, I do believe in social tolerance, and also our individual duty as Christians to show Christ’s love, though I’ll ask you a question:
If it was a “Christian” fundamentalis, who believed he should invoke the OT laws of killing God’s enemies, would you see people on social media giving overwhelming support to “real” Christians and Christianity in a way Muslims were with the #illridewithyou hashtag?
No.
I have no liking for fascists of any kind, be it Islamic fascists, christo facists, left wing, rightwing, no wing, whatever etc. All forms of evils, be it from the Islamist militants or any other groups, must be condemned and the only politically correct thing to do is bringing them to swiftly to justice.
BRILLIANT ARTICLE!!!!!! Hope many people read it!!!!!!
Chris Pringle needs pulling in to line! Wasn’t it her I watched prancing around in that tasteless C3 Christmas video acting like a 5 year old!!!!???
As I look at the idiotic photographs posted on line of people like her, Bobby Houston AND Mandy Wells I have to wonder how far away they have drifted from the Bible’s description of how Christian women should behave. I suspect, as with Eve, this is because their husbands are falling down on the job somewhere and failing to exhibit suitable “headship” over their families.
No, it’s not Chris Pringle, she isn’t in it, it’s daughter Bek. However there are senior pastors involved.
That clip is disturbing on so many levels. They claim to ‘prove’ the presence of the Holy Spirit during services when people ‘fall under the power’. So what do they do, mock even that (unbiblical) practice. Young man taking his shirt off? Why? The mockery continues, with the hashtag opportunism and the parody. Talk about evidence of the modern day downgrade.
Please take a break like most people do this time of year or just post something other than this stuff that we all have been shovel Fed all year.
We know the score just don’t give us flashbacks by regurgitating the same old stuff please
Can you apply that same request to the shovel-fed nonsense dished up by these false teachers? Regurgitated? They serve a fresh dish of nonsense every week. It seems heresy doesn’t have an expiry date….but on that great day of the Lord’s return, it will.
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
@yonathan, Yourself and c3 take a break at this time of year…but the Holy Bible and the Word of Christ does not. Deal with it. Shake it off.
Where was the Chris Pringle photo taken? In Australia or overseas? From the “Stop…” poster in the background I’m assuming it was taken here.
People might consider it a minor issue, but to me that head scarf just highlights the expectation muslims have that we have to adapt to their beliefs and culture, and that expectation does not go the other way. If Chris doesn’t wear a headscarf normally, why wear one now? Is she afraid of offending some people with her hair?
I’m going to go out a limb and suggest she probably wished them a “Happy Holidays” instead of a “Merry Christmas”. We wouldn’t want to offend some muslims by leaving “Christ” in Christmas now would we?
Icarus – Interesting question, the photo popped up on Instagram at an opportune (opportunistic) time, Dec 16. It could be a pic from her November trip to India. So perhaps we can assume she didn’t go out on the day of the Martin Place siege and find some Muslim women to #illridewithyou?
Hmm good pick up. This might indeed be a pic taken in India. I haven’t been able to find the poster (and hence it’s origin) but I saw something on her Instagram (and I’ve never seen her instagram before) that she caught up with an organisation called “My Choices” which looks like an anti-dom violence charity.
So what I think she most likely did is put up an old pic of her visit somewhere there and used it for the #Illridewith… trend later.
I can’t finish this without saying I find it extremely ironic that there’s a “S.T.O.P. Domestic violence” poster in a room full of women fully covered. Maybe that’s just me…
Poor Chris Pringle… looking a little lost here. She’s not looking that solid these days, pretty flaky… grown soft and flabby in a megachurch environment having to fly here and there to meet and greet. Lot’s of fine wine and good hotels. It’s a long long way from the days when they were evangelising on the beaches of Sydney. I met many of their early disciples – on-fire for God. Now, you can’t have a spiritual conversation with them, certainly not to talk about Jesus.
Sadly to many critics seem to target th wrong persons to vilify IMHO.
One needs to go back in time to the heydays of AOG NZ with the Beast of Lower Hutt Houston Snr. manipulating until he called all the shots.
A covered up and never convicted self confessed paedophilewhose activities were known at the top by others who IMHO used that as a liscence to commit adulery and other sex crimes in the knowledge thaey would not be found out or they could find justification for their actions.
AOG NZ post Ralph Read started to build a house of straw and that foundation was based on gross immorality and abuse.
With that foundation what has followed has been flawed with teachings that are wrong, pastors and leaders commiting sexual acts and deviances, how can the doctrine be sound.
That brings the Jesus Movement and the “revival” in Christchurch, Lower Hutt and Auckland into serioud question in my view and is the catalyst for what came later a la the Aussie invasion by the “enlightened ones” from NZ eg the Hostons, Pringles and others who were kicked out of pentecostal churhes in NZ to be “born again” in Oz.
There seems to be a blindness or downright gullibility at the number of folk who still suck on the sacred teat of the Imans of Profits ho use every trick and media to suck the life out of everything.
I would be interested if others see the pattern that I have seen over the years since Frank(ly I’m an abuser) Houston manipulated is way into power and influenced a generation both as Head Honcho of Christian Life Bible Coolege Lower Hutt and accepting the Title of Apostle.
Have I made you think?
@Raphae: Didi you know Brian and his siblings back in those days?
Brian is still the sniveling coward he always was since teenage years.
The Leadership and other elders were not the only ones to know about Frank(ly I am an abuser) Houston, all the youth group knew as well and kept well away from him.
Mummy Chris needs to pull her head out of her behind instead of attempting to put herself into the spotlight.
I encourage all people to visit shariaunveiled.wordpress.com
This site is extremely graphic but shows the reality of the Muslim world view.
I wonder why Phil pringle and chris pringle have never mentioned frank houston. They did know him didn’t they?
Perhaps the hashtag should be #titheshowmethemoney
Frank Houston attended the opening of C3 Oxford Falls along with Brian & Bobbie.
I guess next thing you will have a go at is this site http://www.lovefor100years.com/
Muslims announced hate towards christians so some christians responded with this website announcing 100 years of love towards muslims.
Now something you may not believe is the head of World Vision Australia Tim Costello is a part of this movement, He is a baptist pastor from Melbourne.
I see nothing wrong to showing love and respect to muslims even though i dislike their religion.
Christians are called to love and pray for those that persecute them. Our issue with these so-called leaders is their inability to behave as responsible Christian leaders.
In fact, Hillsong and C3 were all red-neck about blowing up Muslims in the Afghanistan/Iraq wars between 2001-2007. Throughout this time period, they did address or teach Christians in their “churches” how to deal with people in Islam respectfully from a Christian World View.
This article in Chris Pringle simply exposes that these churches are led by the feelings, fads and lies of popular culture. God’s Word is not in the driver’s seat. The culture is.
I would love to know at least one church that is not lead astray in some small way from fads to lies. The answer is there is none not even your church you attend every week.
My biggest problem with churches these days are the pagan things that they adapt for the church. Everything from the christmas tree, easter traditions to celebrating Jesus birth on the 25th of december.
Shouldn’t we as Christians if we see a fault in a fellow brother then take it up directly with them??
“Shouldn’t we as Christians if we see a fault in a fellow brother then take it up directly with them??”
Lisa, People have tried that with both Brian and Phil. It does no good. Brian, for instance, after having his errors approached on twitter, simply labels those who disagree with his erroneous teachings: “evil.”
P.S. Furthermore I would say that is a stretch addressing C3 / Hillsong leaders as ‘fellow brothers’ until they prove they understand “The Gospel.”
Now there is something you said that needs to be questioned here.
You said they need to prove they understand “The Gospel” but how is that fully possible for anyone who claims to be a christian?? I don’t believe that all leaders are lost within these churches but clearly you can see that some are.
Nobody in the world fully understands “The Gospel”, if anyone claims to understand the gospel then they are fooling themselves.
Lisa – the first requirement for understanding Scripture is a true saving faith in Christ. It’s faith that saves us, not understanding.
Biblos1972 might like to clarify.
In John 6:28-29 Jesus was asked, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” to which Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one He has sent.” Jesus also said, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies” (John 11:25). Genuine faith will result in a more deeper understanding of God’s Word as we grow in Christ because the Author of Scripture, the Holy Spirit, dwells in our hearts, and He will lead us into all truth (John 16:13). Without Him, we are unable to understand spiritual truth (1 Corinthians 2:14).
It’s also very troubling when you see these men rely more and more on ‘The Message’ bible translation (which they then use like a rubber nose twisting in all sorts of ways to make the text mean whatever they like.)
What is the gospel Lisa?
The meaning of the word gospel is “good news”. Its is the inspired word of God to the generations.
Do you realise a non-believer can give a more precise and well thought out gospel presentation than that?
Another ‘churchwatcher’ here – yes Lisa, it is literally good news well explained by the fact that He is holy and we are not. And we find it clearly outlined in these scriptures:
1 Cor. 15:1-4 “Now I make known to you brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures . . . ”
“The good news of the Gospel is that Jesus lived a life of perfect righteousness, of perfect obedience to God, not for His own well being but for His people. He has done for me what I couldn’t possibly do for myself. But not only has He lived that life of perfect obedience, He offered Himself as a perfect sacrifice to satisfy the justice and the righteousness of God.” R.C. Sproul
Did not realise you wanted a long answer to the question churchwatcher??
I think of the bible as a guidebook a life manual to live and learn by. The message of salvation is the most important thing we can learn from the bible that Jesus came and died for our sins so we could have eternal life.
The gospel is the message that God will give us pardon from our sins and eternal life with Him in heaven, if we will turn away from our sins and turn to Him, accepting His Son, Jesus Christ, as our Savior and Lord.
But there is a lot more to just this. 🙂
Now churchwatcher I have a question for you here if you don’t mind answering me truthfully??
As a professing christian that you claim to be?? I’m curious to know if you believe the same as me when it comes to sin.
I believe that as a sinner if you repeatedly do something knowing that what your doing is wrong then you are making a mockery of God right??
Churchwatcher, “understand” was my poor choice of wording.
I have yet to observe a single C3 / Hillsong member to date correctly state The Gospel here when questioned. Even Lisa is struggling. That is very troubling.
C3 / Hillsong churches spend an inordinate amount of time discussing “tithing” and “money” and “generosity” and “being your best you”… all while their members struggle to explain what The Gospel is.
C3 / Hillsong members show here with plenty of *thoughts*, but rarely *scriptures*.
Whenever scriptures *are* given, they are often misapplied. As I’m sure you recall, “Gordy” was a classic example… Another C3 pastor who *consistently* misapplied scriptures… Only to fit whatever derogatory, argumentative points he attempted to make.
I have never in my life attended a c3, chc or hillsong church and I never will. I won’t even attend the Presbyterian church or baptist. My discussions with the presbyterian church has proven that they too have a lot of false teachings.
I have a thing against Calvinist teachings in these churches as it tends to contradict what the bible teaches.
And what might those ‘contradictions’ be Lisa?
Biblos I do not need to answer man but I need to answer to God. If you really want to get into things then sure fire away. Ask me questions about what I believe??
I am guessing before we even start that you would disagree with everything I say here no matter what but please go ahead. I see no need in giving long winded answers but will answer.
1.Total Inability
Calvinists teach that man is totally unable to do anything to attain salvation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
2. Unconditional Election
The choosing of some to salvation in Christ before the foundation of the world, while at the same time, leaving the rest in their lost condition by not choosing them.
John 3:15-17
15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
3. Limited Atonement
Jesus died on the cross for the sins of only the elect.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
4.Irresistible Grace
Calvinists teach that all those whom God has chosen to be saved will be unable to resist the call of God.
Titus 2:11
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men
5. Perseverance of the Saints
those whom God has chosen to be saved will persevere to the end and will not finally and fully depart from the faith. The one who is truly born again is eternally secure in Christ and is never in danger of losing his salvation.
1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
To me I feel a person can lose their salvation according to what the bible teaches. God will know in the end who will turn away or continue to follow him, we have been given that choice by God.
That’s the standard Arminian view.
Hi Lisa – we purposely do not have debates on end times doctrines, Cessationism and Calvin/Arminian doctrines. We encourage people have these discussions but these need to be done elsewhere. Thank you.
“Biblos I do not need to answer man but I need to answer to God.”
This is a typical brainwashed response you get from so-called Christians who are caught between a Christian worldview and a secular worldview.
Our first question to you Lisa – Are you accountable to anyone in the church or do you live a life which is right in your own eyes?
I live my life to how the bible teaches us and the leader of the church is made accountable to the congregation and to God for what he teaches.
I’m accountable to God and not to any man within the church but its a different story as I said when your a leader.
If I see something wrong then I approach the pastor to question him. The church I attend is only around 20 people so makes it easy to get to pull the pastor aside whenever anything comes up.
Lisa, Another ‘expert’, eh? There’s no need to “fire away.” We already “got into things”, and you already failed your first test, which was the simplest you could have been given. What more need anyone ask? How many more questions must you fail to prove your ignorance?
I have not failed anything at all on here. i chose not to give a full response as its my choice.
Don’t act like your the victor here as you are not, your response to me shows your arrogance towards others and that will be your downfall in the end.
“I have not failed anything at all on here.”
You did actually. You failed.
“i chose not to give a full response as its my choice. ”
Afraid to be criticised for not knowing the faith once and for all delivered to the saints?
“Don’t act like your the victor here as you are not, ”
If you don’t know the gospel – you don’t need to be so defensive and accusatory. We are not parading ourselves as a “victor”. Stop putting us up on a pedestal and please think your faith through. You are lacking in coherent thought on important spiritual matters. It is really important to do a bible study on the gospel. What is it? Why is it so important? Is the church preaching it? How would the gospel affect society if the gospel was preached by churches today?
We encourage you to hear biblical gospel presentations from Vodie Baucham, Phil Johnson, Jordan Hall, Chris Rosebrough, Carl Trueman, Mike Abendroth and so on.
Vodie Baucham that you mentioned is a false teacher for a start.
Why Lisa, because he’s a Calvinist? If that’s your answer, that implies great immaturity.
By the way, it is confusing responding to various ‘churchwatchers’, however it’s a security issue.
C.
You won’t approve my response because you now want to twist things to how you like it, now that is sad.
another stirrer?
“I have not failed anything at all on here. i chose not to give a full response as its my choice. Don’t act like your the victor here as you are not.”
No you did not give a short answer, you could not answer. There is a big difference. Ok, I get it, I know, you don’t, you must be the victor. Riggght.
“your response to me shows your arrogance towards others”
I am not arrogant. Though you must be related to Annette lol. However I am very knowledgeable and VERY VERY well-informed.
Knowledge is nothing if you don’t put it into action. Having all the knowledge will not get you into heaven will it?? You came across maybe unintentionally as a little arrogant.
You need to think a little more before you speak and that goes for all of us 🙂
All knowledge without love is as hopeless as a clanging gong. That is why we are here. Putting faith, knowledge and love in action. You would be surprised how many people we help behind the scenes with victims and families from these abusive cults. It’s loving that we care enough to call the cults out to repent from their wickedness. And it’s loving that we hope that their end reward is heaven, not hell.
In a Christian world view, love does judge. In a pagan world view – love does not judge.
biblos1972 did not show respect in how he responded towards me which is clearly unchristian so I responded the same way back.
What you give is what you get in return.
Biblos attitude is no better than the non christian you see on the street and that is a sad thing most christians don’t realise.
Love does not judge but you have clearly judged me churchwatcher yet deny it you will. What I have not mentioned yet is I know a few of the guys on here personally and will take it up with them.
“Biblos attitude is no better than the non christian you see on the street and that is a sad thing most christians don’t realise.”
No, there is nothing wrong with my attitude.
I merely recognized that you came onto this website with the purpose of starting arguments… Your own arrogance is what you see as a better attitude.
We can have a discussion without arguments as that was not my intention on here but I am not sure about you.
Just wanted to say God Bless and I will not respond to you on here from now as it is pointless.
Yes you are correct churchwatcher and I believe it is more correct.
TULIP as I mentioned is Calvinistic
Interesting – are you aware of how many Calvary Chapel (Arminian) pastors are becoming Calvinists? Calvary Chapel being a very large institution in the States.
http://www.reformationtheology.com/2012/05/why_chuck_smith_and_calvary_ch.php
Not a salvific issue anyway. My favourite ‘talking head’, theologian Matt Slick from https://carm.org/ is an openly professing Calvinist attending a Calvary Chapel church and his pastor and close friend, is Arminian.
I don’t take much notice in the goings on of institutional churches in the US or around the world. I do know that the Presbyterian churches in the USA have started ordaining gay ministers and I’m sure it will hit Australian churches soon too.
My parents used to go to Calvary Chapel 4square church not sure if they are linked to calvary chapel in the USA at all.
It’s already happening in Australia. The more liberal churches are ordaining women and homosexuals. A lesbian bishop south of Sydney.
if you have been following any articles over at Hillsong Churchwatch http://hillsongchurchwatch.com/, there’s some interesting obfuscation developing.
“I do know that the Presbyterian churches in the USA have started ordaining gay ministers and I’m sure it will hit Australian churches soon too. ”
We have it. Mainly in the Uniting Church. There are some gay ministers in the Anglican Church but they are pretty rare.
I have always been against ordaining women or homosexuals into church. The bible also clearly tells us the role of women and men in the church.
I see that in scripture, sadly many don’t. The Lutheran church in the States published a very clear report on the ordination of women being closely followed by the ordination of homosexuals. This is why many conservative Lutheran pastors broke away to form their own denomination, and it will eventually happen here in Australia within the traditional denominations.
Hi Lisa – then why do you have a problem with us sounding the alarm with these false churches pushing other churches to embrace the ordination of women and pushing/grooming Christians to embrace the homosexual movement.
I see no problem with sounding the alarm as long as it does not result in personal attacks in responses to others on here and that is including the mods.
Also if it is ok I would like to bring up something with the church watch youtube account??
Isn’t it true that as long as the law of the land does not contradict the law of God, we are bound to obey the law of the land right??
You can go on youtube give opinions and also use video you have permission to use beforehand but breaking the law to bring a message across is not Christian don’t you think?? There is loads of copyrighted material that floods youtube but because they break the law doesn’t give us the right to follow in their footsteps too.
The reason why I brought up the youtube account is it does break copyright laws and to add more to this that I know a past account was deleted for the exact same thing. Breaking copyright is no different from stealing which God clearly tells us not to do.
You Tube copyrighted material falls under the “Fair Use” provision, which allows reasonable use of copyrighted work, without permission, for research, criticism, or education.
C.
The use of copyrighted material without the consent of its owners is not what can be labelled as what you call ‘Fair Use’. If it is what you say then the last account would not have been deleted for copyright violation right??
If you claim for fair use then you have not answered why the other chuchwatcher account shows it was deleted because of repeated copyright infringement. 🙂
I only know this as I went to access one of churchwatcher video from old account and said it was deleted due to repeated copyright infringement.
Hey churchwatcher what do you do outside of this site?? Do you work in a christian field or just a regular job??
There are a few moderators on this site, Lisa. We all use the ‘churchwatcher’ name to maintain privacy as there are some with family still attending churches reviewed on these sites. All the moderators are committed Christians from various walks of life.
But do any of you have any formal study, qualifications from a Christian college or are you just local members of a church?? A simple question nothing more. 🙂
Some have formal qualifications, others have attended these churches’ colleges much to their regret.
While we oppose the social gospel we do lots of charity and social work in the community. We are elders, pastors and laymen that teach and evangelise in our local churches and our local communities.
It’s a shame people stereotype us (thanks to the slanderous presentations of cult leaders like Houston and Pringle). We’re very active away from the keyboard.
Getting stereotyped comes about in how you respond and communicate towards others on here. If people fully read through everything on here they would be disgusted in how some have come across.
If you want to help people then the way to do that is for some to tone down their responses towards people and try and lead them on the right path. Being told I fail in what I felt was in a rude way because I never fully answered the question on what the gospel means is definitely not the way to go about things. That in my opinion is not helping anyone at all but giving a bad impression and if people begin to dislike you then that is because you brought it on yourself.
What attitude people give out is very important.
Helping is not rubbishing people because if you do that then you are no better than the non Christian on the street. What we do and how we act towards others will be judged by God in the end.
I’ve only just started at a local bible college in my area doing a certificate IV in music. I already have a degree in animation and hope to combine my skills in both fields to help within my church.
I should make mention here that I attend an independent church that has no association with institutionalised churches.
The funny thing on this site is you will not approve some responses from people if it helps to twist things to the others reading this site.
You some of you guys remind me of the Revival Centre Of Australia which I had cousins involved with.