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This is one of a series of articles covering the absurdity preached at Presence Conference 2015. We are broadcasting these HeresyReels to discourage you from accepting the messages from the clearly false teachers invited to speak at these C3 Presence Conferences – remember, just because they are “popular” does not mean they are legitimate.
In each snippet reel, we have blacked out sections to represent a new section. If you do not want to watch the whole thing, please read the sections we summarise below. This means you may want to progress to that section in the video to save time.
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At Presence Conference 2015, Stephen Furtick preached first on opening night. Watch him here:
DISCLAIMER: These are notes. Feel free to discuss or correct any errors you may see in the sections below. Furthermore, it is up to C3 to publish these sessions if people are insisting that we are taking “teachers” out of context. We were shut down by these types of “churches” on YouTube for putting up entire sermons so that people could see what was said in context. However, if you browse the content in these Presence Conference sessions it should be evident that there is lot of bible twisting. So please see the overall picture before accusing us of taking one snippet out of context.
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SECTION 1: Comments about how cool churches lack religious images. Plugs his daughters “PK (Pastors Kids) Session”). Plugs C3 merchandise and is showcasing his own painted cross. (2:10) Mocks critics after gaslighting people into buying his merchandise. (However, it appears he may be mocking his own C3 Constitution which states “You shall not use or allow the pulpit to be used to: a) promote commercial ventures; b) promote political beliefs; c) do anything of a lewd, corrupt or heretical nature; d) to vent personal needs, injustices, angers or business ventures.“)
SECTION 2: *PRINGLE’S SHEEPSKIN 1* Pringle says that just like Paul he wants to know nothing more than Christ and Him crucified (CAHC). If he does not focus on CAHC, Pringle rightly says that other knowledge fogs and clouds the message. Let’s use this statement agains the rest of his message. Is this true? Does his message reflect the idea that Phil Pringle only wants to know Christ and Him crucified? How much does he reveal how much he knows about CAHC? is that his focus?
“And I found that churches and Christians so easily get distracted from the one thing that really, really matters. Because it is an insult to your intelligence to be that simple. To think that it could be just about one man in the history of the world… And I am hear tonight to point you to none other than the Lord Jesus Christ as being the answer.”
And in the same breath shuts the kingdom of God in people’s faces by not preaching Christ crucified.
SECTION 3: *PRINGLE’S SHEEPSKIN 2*
“I gotta tell you, the Holy Spirit would be offended if we put Him at the center. He has come for one reason and that is to testify and to glorify and to magnify Jesus Christ. “
SECTION 4: Narcigetes the historical account of Elizabeth meeting Mary.
“Something leaps inside of you when you meet a person who is divinely destined to assist you in your assignment. Thirty years later, John and Jesus are doing something that will change the world.”
(Pringle is defaulting to preaching not Christ but YOU when in fact that scripture is about John the Baptist pointing his first witness (his mother) to Jesus. And no – Jesus and John were not attempting to change the world but to save the world.)
[Continued] “And if that relationship had been destroyed or damaged on the way through who knows what could have happened.
And that is blasphemy.
SECTION 5: Pringle reveals that his authority is in man not God:
“I am the person that I am today, not because of me but because of thousands of people. All these volunteers here. The heroes of this conference are the volunteers.”
This is not only revealing, it is also a lie. Those “thousands of people” are mainly C3 college students who are forced to serve the Presence Conference because their courses make Presence Conference compulsary to serve in. And we know first hand that Pringle is ropable if he does not get the professional standard he wants from certain students at his Presence Conference.
“They are the people who are in the carpark. They are out there doing there things and they’ve got something that leapt on the inside of them and say, “I want to be part of a divine purpose”.
This is a lie again. Some students are passing to complete their ministry training hours assessment. It’s also a blasphemous suggestion to convince people that your conference is part of God’s “divine purpose”. This is a type of teaching cults teach.
Then Pringle is preaching about you and your dreams and how to keep your dreams alive. (He is not preaching Christ and Him crucified.)
Notice: The ‘river’ is now people “flowing in our lives”. It is no longer the Spirit of God.
“Miracles are about to flow like a river in here in ten minutes. I would maybe have a hundred miracles on the inside of me tonight that are ready to be released. I literally feel them on the inside of me like – jumping around kinda saying, “Get to it! Get to it!”
“And if you are looking for a mira- I know this! There are couples here tonight who cannot have children. We’re going to pray for you and within twelve months, you’ll have children. You’ll have babies.”
Pringle deliberately drops pinkles:
“I’m not good at a lot of things but I’m good at that. I don’t know how to say that but I’ve got babies all over the world.”
SECTION 7: Describes unbiblical characteristics of Adam and Eve: “… human beings of God. Magnificently standing. Glorious. Clothed with light. Intelligence beyond any thought we could have. Living in sheer glory and presence of God.
SECTION 8: *PRINGLE’S SHEEPSKIN 3* Performs his recital gimmick to amp people up to get ready to receive from God. Musicians are rehearsed to psych crowds up to Pringle’s gimmick.
SECTION 9: Gets up women to pray for them to have babies. (Accidentally knocks cross off the platform.)
SECTION 10: Randomly calls out to a middle aged woman (someone invisible person out there in the audience) to get her “very bad right hip” healed.
SECTION 11: Pringle encourages people to, “Come with me on a journey into the miraculous”.
“You’ll never find a God that performs ‘convenient miracles’ or even dignified ones.”
SECTION 12: Prophesies on a man saying “You will make a lot of money”. But God fails to communicate logically in this prophecy (see below).
Prophecy: “I see you in a room of politicians. You’re talking to them about passing laws… And in the name of Jesus, you’ll declare what he is showing you. And you will not be afraid to mention the name of Jesus. That name opens every door. That name is the door!”
“Babies. I pray for four babies in Jesus name.”
SECTION 13: Pringle parallels the woman on stage coming to himself to the women having an issue with blood coming to Jesus. It is interesting watching how Pringle wiggles out of the comparison he just made. (Would the Holy Spirit who is supposedly in Phil Pringle honestly say something so grossly out of line? Isn’t the Spirit meant to point people to Jesus – not Phil Pringle? Why is this the Phil Pringle show?)
SECTION 14: Pringle tries to rev crowd through irrational logic.
SECTION 15: Pringle says he wants people to raise their spiritual stamina and says that he wants people to see him as their own “personal spiritual trainer here”.
“There is a river in this room right here. If we just open up right here.”
What is this foggy teaching? Is he pointing people to Jesus or this people/dreamy/miracle-centered river? Or is he pointing people to the river of Phil Pringle where you can receive hundreds of miracles from his river?
SECTION 16: A woman he blows on gets overwhelmed, upset and can’t communicate why she’s crying out of control. Pringle tries to guess what on earth is wrong with her, says flimsy words and moves on.
SECTION 17: Prays over women, raises hands over her and talks about an operation she is going to receive on Monday and then declares “maybe not”. Declares healing over her. Casts out sickness and demons: “I rebuke every spirit out of this woman’s life. Get out! Loose her!”
SECTION 18: Asks young people to come up for healing if they have “problem with both [their] ankles ankles” (“more on the right one then the left one”). He says this person may have difficulty walking or running. Pringle tells them to quickly get up on the stage or he’ll move. Could the Holy Spirit be any more insensitive?
SECTION 19: Pringle gives us insight how he knows people are incredibly desperate to receive healings from incurable healings in his meetings.
“And some people have a problem with the supernatural and miracles. I don’t know why. Because it’s probably because you haven’t been sick yet with an incurable disease. It’s probably because you’re still pretty healthy. But if you’re sick, it really matters. These people have got a problem here.”
However, the people behind him have sore ankles. Harshly pushed people down with bad ankles and they seem to fall painfully fast. One girl who stays standing Pringle says to bash her ankles together to get healed and says, “You got about a twenty per cent miracle”.
So much for Pringle’s god performing “convenient miracles”.
You are getting a little over critical here.
Let me start with your error about volunteers. Most of the volunteers are in fact volunteers. They would easily outnumber the college students by a long margin.
Yes, the college students do have to serve, and yes, some of them will be assessed on this. What is wrong with that? Why go to a ministry training college if you do not want to serve in church?
However, C3 events are only possible because there are a lot of people in the church who volunteer. I have been one of those volunteers. I know many who do volunteer.
I even know people in other churches (not C3) who volunteer in their own church.
Please do not overlook the many, many people in churches all over the world who help out in their church.
“I even know people in other churches (not C3) who volunteer in their own church.”
And do those people also volunteer to serve as free labour at events that see mendacious self-aggrandising apostates flown in from overseas, put up in expensive hotels and paid obscene sums of money to spruik a fake gospel and flog worthless “resources”?
“You are getting a little over critical here.”
Irony never gets old, does it? Perhaps it’s your own critical faculties that could do with a bit of sharpening up (hint: attending C3 certainly won’t do you any favours in that regard).
JJ – do you think volunteers should have been charged to attend the conference? We’re not against paying as a guest but perhaps C3 should have waived the cost for volunteers.
“You are getting a little over critical here.”
Phil Pringle’s a phony. How can one get too critical when discussing a phony?? Personally I don’t think we’re being critical enough.
Jan Nordhausen said:
God Bless all the volunteers!! I had been one at Living Hope Counselling until I got kicked in the gut by the Manager and Jude Blayney! They thought it was OK for a telephone counsellor to ask what size breasts she had, etc etc! Taking it to the Manager he said there was nothing wrong with the counsellor, he was his best friend!! So I said I would leave after many years..answering calls day and night, working in the Office, face to face counselling….gardening….cleaning……if he wasn’t stood down. He wasn’t stood down, so I left. A few weeks later they decided that he DID have a problem, and found he should not be on the phones…but I was left without a word said. Talk about Spiritual abuse!! Jude, after a few bad ‘meetings’ with him, the final one was , he heard that I wasn’t going to attend with this other male counsellor, who stood with me….so Jude rang me and said “Jan, if you come in I think you will find that we can work this thing out”. I told him that ‘No, I won’t be there’. So the other Counsellor went there, and he came back absolutely shattered! Full force of Spiritual abuse! And to think Jude Blayney is still out there preaching under C3!!
Quick reminder: most of these “volunteers” are C3 College students who have PAID to study at C3 College. In these colleges, they do a subject called “Ministry Training” (may have changed it’s name) where it is compulsory they serve at Presence Conference.
So not only are they paying to serve , they are charged to attend on top of that. This is not only free slave labour, this is slave labour where slaves have to empty their pockets to serve. We are talking about young men and women who struggle to earn enough in one week, some even relying on Centrelink benefits.
This is sick and morally twisted. Where in the world do you see this type of behaviour in educational institutions?
ray e jones said:
@JJ, did you see any of Chris’ trapeze angels floating around at this conference….?
or at least a “River of 100 Miracles” flowing out of Phil’s body…. ?
if not, then perhaps you should ask for a refund.
“I literally feel them on the inside of me like – jumping around kinda saying, “Get to it! Get to it!””
Did Pringle have colic?
If pp is full of ‘miracles’, why does he need glasses? Why does chris pringle need glasses? Couldn’t phil just ‘miracle-river-flow-etc’ perfect eyesight? And where is the old C3 ‘healer’ andrew kubala? Haven’t heard of him for ages.
Phil’s been active! He said he has babies all around the world! Must have been travelling without Chris!
Phil Pringle prayed for many healings last night, and for many babies to be born in twelve months time. He says he has had great success around the world with many women having babies after his prayers. Someone should contact Healthscope and let them know that there should be a drop off in admissions to their The Hills and Norwest Private Hospitals for people who are sick or who have depression. The upside for the hospitals is that there should be a steep increase in women giving birth in March to June next year.
“[Phil] says he has had great success around the world with many women having babies after his prayers.”
And ironically, if those babies grow into adults who speak out against Phil Pringle’s heretical teachings, they may end up dying in “mysterious car crashes”.
Obviously it’s the case that “Phil Pringle gives, and Phil Pringle takes away”.