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Apostles Creed, Constitution, creeds, Modalism, Modalist, Nicene Creed, Phil Pringle, Presence 2016, Presence Conference 2016, Pringle, td jakes
Below is a link to the C3 Constitution:
C3’s CCCI (Christian City Church International) Constitution Document
Under the ‘Rules of Fellowship’ it says:
“Membership in this fellowship is dependent upon your agreement to observe and carry out the following requirements. You are to understand they are not optional but mandatory. You are to understand that if found by the Board of CCCI to be delinquent in any of these areas and fail to conform to the disciplinary requirements of the Board, you will ultimately forfeit the right to continue to use the name Christian City Church and will cease to be a member of the fellowship.”
Paragraph 16 under the Preliminary states:
“16) – You shall not use or allow the pulpit to be used to:
a) promote commercial ventures
b) promote political beliefs
c) do anything of a lewd, corrupt or heretical nature
d) to vent personal needs, injustices, angers or business ventures.”
How does the C3 Consitution define the word ‘heretical’?
“b) Heretical – in paragraph 16, shall be interpreted with reference to the “Apostolic and Nicene Creeds”.”
You can read the “Apostolic and Nicene Creeds” on our website on Our A/B/C/D’s page. One reason why the Nicene Creed was established was to separate and condemn the Modalist, Sabellianist and Adoptionalist heretics in the church in that time period.
You can see how seriously the early Christian church fathers dealt with Modalist, Sabellianist and Adoptionalist heretics when one reads The Anathemas of the Second Council of Constantinople.
“If anyone does not confess that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are one nature or essence, one power or authority, worshipped as a trinity of the same essence, one deity in three hypostases or persons, let him be anathema. For there is one God and Father, of whom are all things, and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and one Holy Spirit, in whom are all things.”
WHY ARE WE BRINGING THIS UP?
We bring the constitution up for this reason: does Phil Pringle think he is exempt of the C3 Constituion? Why?
At this year’s Presence Conference, Phil Pringle announced that next year TD Jakes (well-known modalist) will be speaking at Presence Conference 2016.
Famous Modalist heretic TD Jakes: denier of the Trinity.
To this day, TD Jakes still preaches his modalist view of the Trinity. In fact, TD Jakes promoted this ancient heresy in a sermon Christian apologist and theologian Chris Rosebrough reviewed on his program back in March:
“The Bible says that he sits on the circle pf the Earth. He said that Heaven is his throne and the Earth is his footstool. And whenever he sits something is going to happen. He sat down on the Earth and separated the firmament. He sat down on the Mount of Olives and taught the Beatitudes. He sat down on the colt and entered into Jerusalem. He sat down… He sat down… He sat down on the day of Pentecost when they were in one place with one accord. The Bible said he sat on each of them and they were filled with the Holy Ghost. Throw your hand up and say sit on them.” [59:39-1:00:57]
What made Pringle think that it was wise for him to promote a Modalist heretic? Why does Pringle want to be associated with one by promoting TD Jakes at his Presence Conference as though he is a Christian when the C3 Constitution condemns TD Jakes as a dangerous heretic?
Why isn’t Pringle bound to his own constitution? And who in C3 will hold Phil Pringle accountable, if nothing written officially, holds this man accountable in the C3 Movement?
C3 Church Watch 
“a) promote commercial ventures
b) promote political beliefs
c) do anything of a lewd, corrupt or heretical nature
d) to vent personal needs, injustices, angers or business ventures.”
Hahahahaha.
Obviously plugging your own books doesn’t count.
There is a very good reason why no one in a senior position will raise this with Pringle. To do so would mean immediate lose of seniority and probable expulsion because no one is to “question God’s elect for to do so is the question God Himself”
How do I know? …….. Been there, done that.
No one in the junior ranks will raise the issue because they will be met with the same response with the additional “what would you know, you are only new in the faith and you are to follow your Pastor, not question him”
How do I know? ………. Unfortunately I have had to pick up too many battered, bruised and wrecked lives after such altercations.
Blessings
There’s much I’d like to discuss with you….
Always willing to talk about these issues as, to quote a certain Bell guy, there are many who have been “run over by the Church bus”. The carnage is much more than most people realise because those who have been “run over” rarely talk about it in the main.
The “run over” ones think they are on their own and that they are the only ones who have been “run over’, so out of embarrassment, anger, guilt, confusion, you name it, they say nothing.
The truth is that there are hundreds who have suffered this fate and who are now wandering around in a fog blaming God, the Church, Christians in general, anything and anyone to try and make sense of their feelings and rejection.
I am more than willing to talk to you one on one Squidaloopa but I have no means of doing so unfortunately.
Blessings, keep the Faith.
Yes completely agree mate; in my immediate circle there are us who went under the bus.
Oh and I am ex-c3 btw…..I just find many of your posts, well, a confirmation of what we thought 🙂
Yeah we went under the bus as well when things didn’t pan out as per their own “prophesies”. Now of course they won’t say their prophesies were false so instead they quickly started rumours about my family and made it very clear that we weren’t welcome anymore, despite having transferred a small fortune in tithes and offerings to them. I suppose it’s their way of removing the evidence that they’re just a cult, and as we went bankrupt they could see we had been bled dry and so no longer useful anyway.
Phil Pringle has used the pulpit to promote his commercial interests (books, art, music etc) time and time again, in clear breach of the constitution. The Board needs to remove him from his position ASAP, although honestly they should have removed him the moment he started using the phoney “Dr” title…
Art???
I suppose that description is stretching it a bit, fair call! How about the pulpit has been used to sell his collection of canvas covered with paint that looks like it was applied by sneezing it on rather than by the conventional brush method.
Hi folks – I just thought I’d like to share some things about some United Pentecostalist Church (UPC) folks that I met years ago. I had extensive dealings with them and even went to some of their meetings. I’d heard a few stories about their unorthodox beliefs, so I wentthere so I could see for myself just what they believed. They are definitely ‘modalist’ and vehemently non trinitarian in their beliefs about the godhead.
Essentially, they believe that the one god, “changes modes” from Father, to Son to Holy Spirit, as the occasion requires it. But then they would have serious problems with the baptism of Jesus at the Jordan river, wouldn’t they?
Jesus stood in the water, in plain view. The Father spoke from heaven – “this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased…”
John the Baptist heard Him, and the Holy Spirit descended LIKE a dove. (Jesus didn’t have a little ‘charismatic’ dove sitting on His shoulder – that’s ridiculous). The Holy Spirit gently descended on Him, to empower Him for his trial in the wilderness and after that, His 3 and a 1/2 year ministry. (Matt 3:13 – 17)
My own understanding of the Trinity, is that God is “three divine persons, subsisting on the one divine nature”. There are not ‘three gods’ neither is there one god that quickly changes hats and costumes as circumstances change, as in modalist understandings.
The pastor of that group explained to me one evening, just what happened when Jesus came to Earth. In more or less his own words, he said:
“When God came to Earth, it was just like he wrapped a rain coat around himself, and called it ‘Jesus’. The ‘rain coat’ (Jesus) “protected him from fallen and sinful mankind. When he (God almighty) was ready to return back to heaven,
The “HOLY Ghost” is often spoken about and prayed to…
http://www.gospeloutreach.net/opgospel.html
Hi folks – is anyone moderating the comments here? Can’t seem to get mine up…
Hi Apollo – all comments are going into moderation because of the ongoing troll problem. We try to approve them ASAP. I’m only seeing the above in moderation, were there others?
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
Hi CW – what I’ve noticed in the last few days, is that when you press the ‘post comment’ button, the entire post and the field disappear. If you try to repost it, the dialogue box comes up that says “looks like you’ve already posted that one”.
This has happened several times recently, so I’m wondering if the blog software is glitching or is just overloaded. This has happened before on a number of occasions in the past, but I can’t remember if it was only here on the C3 blog, or on the HS blog too…
Apollo – sometimes this happens when links are attached. Some of your comments went straight to spam (we check regularly to make sure the comments are approved if NOT spam or trolls)
“A common characteristic of comment spam is a large number of hyperlinks.”