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C3’s Hidden History: How Paul Collins “Invited The Pringles To Take Over Their ‘Christian Ministry Centre’”

18 Thursday Jul 2013

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Often C3 churches around the world parade Phil Pringle as the Apostle and founder of the C3 Church Movement. We’ve been questioning this for some time since we have not seen any evidence of Phil Pringle ever starting a church but taking over a church, causing it to split. What we have noticed is that when Pringle tried to start a church in Roseville Sydney, it failed. And when Pringle was involved in the Barton’s church in New Zealand and the Collins’ church in Dee Why Northern Beaches Sydney, the Pringle’s themselves appeared to cause those churches to split.

Recently we stumbled upon ‘Life Messenger’.
This website claims,

“The world is entering a new era of the fullness of God in Christ through His body, the church (Eph 4:13-15).

But for that to happen, a reformation must occur. At particular turning points of history a door opens, the Spirit of God is outpoured, the people of God are dislodged from the religious status quo, and a quantum increase of the kingdom comes.

Lifemessenger is the ministry of David Orton and carries a mandate to inspire a new generation in the pursuit of God’s fullness and reformational change. This is accomplished through preaching, teaching, writing, electronic media, and by creating environments conducive to the presence of God, ranging from conferences and schools to experimental ‘apostolic’ networks and alternative expressions of church.

Lifemessenger is committed to being a prophetic voice to the modern Church.” http://www.lifemessenger.org/, (Accessed 18/07/2013.)

We couldn’t disagree more with LifeMessenger’s false eschatological views. In spite of this, their views help us understand the making of Phil Pringle and his important mentor Paul Collins. One of LifeMessenger’s writers decided to write a biographical piece on Paul Herbert Collins.

PAUL COLLINS AND THE WORD OF FAITH/LATTER RAIN CONNECTION

Fortunately Mark Hutchinson writes in favour of the dangerous Latter Rain movement teachings and Word of Faith practices that Collins was under the influence of.

Hutchinson writes that Paul Collins “and his brother Terry went off to Tauranga to study at Rob Wheeler’s 3 month bible college”. He writes,

“Wheeler had been influenced by Ray Jackson and the Latter Rain/ Bethel Temple traditions, with their emphases on restorationism, perfectionism, and the laying on of hands, while Worley (who had been invited by Len Jones to replace a cancelled Tommy Hicks campaign) was a living link to the Healing Revival in the USA which was dominated by William Marion Branham and Oral Roberts.”

Both William Branham and Oral Roberts were incredibly dangerous teachers. Branham in particular had his Branhamite followers claim him to be ‘Elijah’.

Wheeler’s bible college “introduced them not only to Wheeler’s revivalist ministry but also the ministry of A. S. Worley, whose dynamic campaigns through Australia, Papua New Guinea and New Zealand were to do much to spread the emphases of E. W. Kenyon and others in the word-faith movement”.

E.W Kenyon should be another familiar name that our readers should be remember reading about.

We have recorded that E.W Kenyon was the ‘minister’ that was heavily influenced by the metaphysical science cults and their occult beliefs.

Phil Pringle Influenced By Occult/ New Thought/ Metaphysical Cult Teachings

The history presented by Hutchinson only confirms the New Age and Word of Faith occult/cult-like background that Phil Pringle came from. This also explains Phil Pringle’s light leanings towards the dangerous teachings of the Latter Rain Movement (also known today as the New Apostolic Reformation).

PRINGLE TAKING OVER COLLINS’ ‘CHRISTIAN MINISTRY CENTRE’

Hutchinson also records Collins consequences in allowing Phil Pringle to take over his church in Dee Why on the Northern Beaches, Sydney. It was this church that later became Christian City Church.

If anyone can tell us any church Phil Pringle has actually planted or how he even gained the status of ‘apostle’ within his own movement, we would like you to email us at c3churchwatch@hotmail.com.

Hutchinson writes:

“Such divisions in the light of a significant building challenge created incredible tensions. When Paul returned from Hong Kong, David Jackson and Roger Waters faced him and said that ‘it is either you or me’. Collins walked away – the building trust collapsed, and while the church staggered on under Jackson and Carter as a cell-group movement, the days of Faith Centre were numbered. The Collins’ returned to their beloved Asia – after a year spent among Asian students attached to Peter Morrow’s church in Christchurch, they spent most of the next period in Hong Kong working with Paul Kauffman at Asian Outreach. They were not finished with Sydney, however. Towards the end of 1978, they began preparations to return.

Moving to Dee Why, the team they gathered prayed ‘8-12-8’ every day for 2 years in order to gain a break among the surf culture of the area. By the end of 1979, they had built the church to around 50 people. In the interim, a young couple they had known from the Sydenham AOG in Christchurch, Phil and Chris Pringle, had had a vision for Sydney, and had begun work in Roseville. Again, Asia called – Loren Cunningham, whom they had met in the USA and knew well through their Faith Centre connections to YWAM, approached them and asked them to consider undertaking a more apostolic ministry with the YWAM ship ministry, Anastasis.
While preparing to go, they were also approached by Paul Kauffman for help in
Hong Kong. Personal loyalties spoke loudest – the Collins’ invited the Pringles to take over their ‘Christian Ministry Centre’ in Dee Why, and left for Hong Kong.

Shortly thereafter it was renamed Christian Centre, Northside, and then to Christian City Church. Another seed had been planted, only to be watered and taken on by someone else – CCC would grow into one of the more significant global charismatic movements, with (by 2003) some 4000 people worshipping in the Oxford Falls complex alone. ‘Phil took me out to lunch one day and said “You know, your trouble [Paul] is that you always give away the initiative.” And that is true.’” –

Source: Mark Hutchinson, BIOGRAPHY OF PAUL HERBERT COLLINS, http://www.lifemessenger.org/html/Docs2/Collins_Bio_v2.pdf, Pg. 10-11. (Accessed 27/06/2013.)

For more information on the history of Phil Pringle, read the book “Arise!” by John Barclay, who also records how he took over Paul Collins church. Pringle endorsed John Barclay’s history in “Arise!” and Hutchinson’s account lines up with Barclay’s record of events.

The History of Phil Pringle & The C3 Movement

One has to ask the question: Why doesn’t Phil Pringle let people know the truth about his church’s history and how he obtained his ‘apostleship’ status?

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Phil Pringle: CHC’s Prophet Of God

30 Thursday May 2013

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Phil Pringle is not only the Advisory Prophet of CHC. Phil Pringle is glorified as a prophet. Now CHC should review their prophet after reviewing a CityNews article we recently discovered.

In 2008, CityNews published an article that revealed a few interesting things about Phil Pringle’s prophetic office and how he prophesies.

  • When Pringle declared that “this was “God’s hour”” and when the band switched to a “a resounding fast-beat ministry song that intensified the spiritual atmosphere“, CityNews saw that this was an indication for Phil Pringle “to move in the prophetic office as led by the Holy Spirit”.

Observe the method. From here on in, Pringle is moving in the prophetic. This means God is speaking through Pringle.

  • CityNews reported a prophecy given by Phil Pringle:

“Pringle begin by prophesying of the global “shifts in power”, with the political and economic spheres of influence gravitating towards the Asian giants of India and China. Nations that had been “maligned and abused” by greater powers will be raised up by God to have a global voice and the power to shape international affairs, as a demonstration of His sovereign control over the world.”

We know Phil Pringle is a false prophet. We’re waiting for these prophecies to not come true.

  • Now “moving in the prophetic”, CityNews records Pringle doing the following,

“Pringle also encouraged the people to stand boldly with Kong Hee as God raised him up to walk in the “corridors of power” in the governments and businesses of Asia, advising decision-makers and leaders in the ‘3rd Space’ of society. This was in anticipation of the adverse challenges that will arise as this was divinely orchestrated.”

Would you not regard this as a false prophecy?

  • CityNews reports Pringle prophesying health and wealth over senior ministers.

“The session reached its apex as Pringle began to call the senior ministers of churches in the above-mentioned nations to come to the stage, prophesying over several of them. Prophecies would range from financial increase, anointing for healing and miracles, the ability to teach the Word of God effectively in bible schools, and to build spirit-empowered churches in the respective cities and countries they come from.”

  • Take note that City News informs it’s readers that Phil Pringle taught on the “power of confession”. The doctrine of “power of confession” is a word of faith heresy and is not supported biblically.

“In the last 10 minutes, Pringle preached briefly from Ezekiel on the power of confession in creating the conditions of one’s world…”

Here is the City News Article,

Asia Conference

Session 6: A Prophetic Call to the Nations of Asia

Updated on 21 November 2008 at 3:05 pm
By Enoch Seet

SINGAPORE, 21 NOVEMBER 2008 — SESSION 6 OF the Asia Conference saw Phil Pringle continue his ministry in the Spirit, focusing on China and the Middle East.

Beginning with the praise song ‘Help Me’ by the C3 Band, Pringle took the stage with a rousing declaration that this was “God’s hour” and the band switching to a resounding fast-beat ministry song that intensified the spiritual atmosphere in Hall 8. Clearly, it was an indication of his intention to move in the prophetic office as led by the Holy Spirit.

Putting aside his sermon that he had crafted in hours of “solitude and silence”, Pringle begin by prophesying of the global “shifts in power”, with the political and economic spheres of influence gravitating towards the Asian giants of India and China. Nations that had been “maligned and abused” by greater powers will be raised up by God to have a global voice and the power to shape international affairs, as a demonstration of His sovereign control over the world.

Pringle also encouraged the people to stand boldly with Kong Hee as God raised him up to walk in the “corridors of power” in the governments and businesses of Asia, advising decision-makers and leaders in the ‘3rd Space’ of society. This was in anticipation of the adverse challenges that will arise as this was divinely orchestrated.

The session reached its apex as Pringle began to call the senior ministers of churches in the above-mentioned nations to come to the stage, prophesying over several of them. Prophecies would range from financial increase, anointing for healing and miracles, the ability to teach the Word of God effectively in bible schools, and to build spirit-empowered churches in the respective cities and countries they come from.

Ultimately, the chief aim of this prophetic session that lasted 50 minutes was the call of God among the delegates to fulfill His desire of strengthening the weak and building His church.A notable highlight was when Pringle prayed and spoke into the lives of two youths, a 20 year-old security personnel from City Harvest Church and a 24 year-old Chinese national, using them to illustrate “generational reconciliation’. This is essentially about the senior leaders and elders giving opportunities to youth leaders to actualize their potential in the ministry, empowering them to rise and take the baton of leadership in growing the Kingdom of God.

In the last 10 minutes, Pringle preached briefly from Ezekiel on the power of confession in creating the conditions of one’s world, keeping the focus of what one is called for and remembering the revelation of one’s identity in God. These principles he said, stemmed forth from a life that was Jesus-centered, evidenced through time given in prayer and solitude in God’s presence, which was the penultimate key in bringing one into his or her fullest destiny.

This session would certainly be remembered by all who attended for its impact in their individual lives and the collective significance it will have in transforming the spiritual, political and socio-economic climate of Asia.

Source: By Enoch Seet, City News, Asia Conference, Session 6: A Prophetic Call to the Nations of Asia, http://www.citynews.sg/2008/11/a-prophetic-call-to-the-nations-of-asia/, 21/11/2008. (Accessed 30/05/2013.)

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Pringle and Kelsey Practicing The Word of Faith Heresy Since 1982-3

20 Sunday Jan 2013

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Author John Barclay records the history of the C3 Movement from it’s early beginnings in his book “Arise” (endorsed by Phil Pringle).

Chapter 12 is titled ‘Counselling’. On page 115, Barclay writes about the testimony of someone called Peter McHugh between 1982-3. Barclay wrote, “He [Peter] and Mark Kelsey had studied together at Univesity” (pg. 115).

Barclay records Peter McHugh getting saved and explores the process how his wife got ‘saved’. John Barclay writes,

“He got a letter away as soon as possible to Lyn, and when the reply came back it was to tell him very simply she never wanted to see him again. That of course took no account of a number of factors which had since come into operation, factors which Lyn then could never understand.

The excercising of faith by a very determined man of God can work miracles, and Peter began the positive confession of the restoration of their marriage. In the week prior to Lyn’s return to Australia he spoke constantly aloud to affirm that she would be saved. He said it over and over, out loud, speaking his faith in thanks to God, and both Mark [Kelsey] and Phil [Pringle] agreed with him.

His own conversion had been so total and so swift that now there was no room for either doubt or failure. No possibility of it. He gave it no thought, but spoke out success.

‘Life and death’ we are told, ‘are in the power of the tongue’, and Peter now used that power to inject life into a once dead marriage.”

(Source: John Barclay, Arise, 12 Counselling, Covenant Publishing, 1987, pg. 116-117.)

Above, John Barclay recorded McHugh, Pringle and Kelsey practicing the Word of Faith Heresy. We have to stress this again: Phil Pringle endorsed and allowed John Barclay to record these events. Phil Pringle exposed Mark Kelsey and himself practicing the Word of Faith heresy.

If you read our older articles, readers will be shocked to see the Word of Faith’s connections to New Age and Occult practices.

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When Did Phil Pringle Become CHC’s Advisory Pastor?

25 Saturday Aug 2012

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Kong Hee and Sun Ho said at Presence Conference 2012 that as soon as investigations started 23 months ago, Pringle “graciously accepted to be the advisory pastor to City Harvest Church.”

You will also notice that just like Phil Pringle, Kong Hee is close friends with “Dr.” Kevin Dyson (from New Covenant International). Sound familiar? We will look into this shortly.

However CHCs City News, reported something different on the 4th of October, 2010 in regards to when Pringle became advisory pastor. So when did Phil Pringle become the advisory pastor?

From City News: http://www.citynews.sg/2010/10/city-harvest-appoints-advisory-committee/, (Accessed 14/08/2012.)

Church & Missions

City Harvest Appoints Advisory Committee

Posted on 04 October 2010

As part of continuing efforts to improve on structure, governance and accountability, CHC names the chairman and advisory pastor of its advisory committee.

At its weekend service last week, senior pastor of City Harvest Church Rev. Kong Hee announced that Dr. A.R. Bernard of Christian Cultural Center and Pastor Phil Pringle of Christian City Church will serve on the church’s advisory committee, which is being set up these few weeks.

Neither are strangers to CHC; both Bernard and Pringle have been long-time friends and guest speakers at the church, preaching at least twice every year for well over a decade.

“Since the early 1990s, the church has always benefited greatly from the assistance and advice of external pastors and ministers,” Kong told the congregation at the four services, naming Elder George Ong from Church of Singapore, Rev. George Ee from Calvary Charismatic Centre, Dr. Kevin Dyson from New Covenant International and Dr. Ulf Ekman from Word Of Life among past advisors.

“However, while CHC had benefited greatly from the wisdom and experience of such pastors and paid due respect to them, there was no structure or arrangement in place to formally acknowledge them. In 2007, provision was made for this with the proposal for a board of independent advisors, but this board had not been staffed until now.

“If there is anything I’ve learned through the process of this investigation, it is the need for a greater level of accountability and governance in the operations of City Harvest Church,” explained Kong, before announcing that Bernard and Pringle, “two men whom we all respect greatly and have the heart of CHC, as well as the expertise and experience to serve in this capacity,” had agreed to formalize an advisory committee to serve CHC.

Bernard will assume the role of chairman of the advisory committee. A former Wall Street banker, Bernard oversees the 33,000-member Christian Cultural Center in New York. He is also currently the president of the Council of Churches of the City of New York. He sits on the New York City Economic Development Corporation Board, and is a member of the Debt Reduction Task Force for the U.S. Senate Budget Committee.

“Most importantly, Dr. A.R. Bernard is a great friend and a strong supporter of our vision, mission and core values of CHC,” says Kong.

Pringle will be appointed advisory pastor to CHC. He is City Harvest’s oldest friend, having supported the church “since there were 200 people in a warehouse [the size of the Expo auditorium].”

He is the senior minister of Christian City Church in Oxford Falls, Sydney, and also oversees more than 250 Christian City Churches worldwide. In the year 2000, he was awarded the Medal of the Order of Australia for extraordinary services to the community.

“As the Chairman, Dr. Bernard has agreed to come help us once every two months, while Pastor Phil will be coming once or twice a month,” announced Kong. “Both of them will be assisting our pastoral ministry in the planning, organizing, initiating, promoting, coordinating and reviewing of the worship, religious education and mission activities within the church.” The church may consider additional appointments to the committee when appropriate or when the need arises.

Kong’s announcement drew enthusiastic applause and cheers from the congregation at all four services.

“I thought that the announcement was a clear demonstration of what our leaders stand for—accountability and unity. To be able to open ourselves to ideas, opinions, checks and balances is not only the wise thing to do but the right thing to do,” commented church member Bernard Lim, 47, a financial educator. “At the same time, the demonstration of unity among the brethren, standing together in a time of need, fleshes out what we have been talking about. CHC is witnessing both leadership-by-example at work and what being a Christian truly means.”

“I am glad they are setting up the advisory committee,” said Vivienne Ho, 42, an insurance broker. “I’m very touched by Dr. Bernard and Pastor Phil’s great sacrifice for our church. This is a heavy responsibility and they have their own churches, not to mention the fact that they live overseas. For them to be here every month is a very serious commitment.”

Pringle shared with City News the reasons why he said yes to this new role. “First, when Kong asked me, I said, Let me go and pray about it. And I did. I also talked it over with [wife] Chris, and we talked with our leaders. I felt peace and they felt right about it, so I have to conclude that God has guided us.“We Place CHC As A Priority”

“Second, Kong and Sun and CHC are dear to us. We have a long history. There are some friends you would lay down your life for, and they are two of them. God gives you only a few divine connections in life. Do whatever you can to ensure these connections serve God.

“Third, this church is important to the world today. It is a great church builder and planter. It has been a leader in showing people in Asia and the world how to do church. It is holy, pursues purity, keeps the Word of God—it does not compromise on these issues. But it is contemporary and relevant in the world, not only being acceptable but leading in the marketplace.”

Bernard shares Pringle’s commitment to Kong and CHC. “I believe in the work and ministry of Pastor Kong and City Harvest,” he told City News. “And our loyalty is tested in times of crisis. Whether we will stand or abandon our important friendships … [and] I don’t believe that God ever abandons the work of His own hands.”

These new roles mean some measure of sacrifice for both ministers. Pringle shared that this commitment will take him out of church six more weekends than in a normal year. “We have a really good team in Sydney with a lot of rising leaders,” he said. “We feel confident that [the church will] be in good hands.”

As for his network of nearly 300 C3 churches throughout the world, Pringle said that he would be able to maintain constant communication with them. “The only other area that may cost is my availability for preaching and weekend events around the world,” he admitted, “but I should be able to take midweek conferences.

“We place CHC as a priority—it takes priority in our schedules and resources.”

While Pringle consults on day-to-day matters, Bernard’s role is macro, aimed at strengthening the governance and structure of the church. “I want to do everything to make sure the church is strong, and spiritually, emotionally and psychologically prepared to embrace the exciting future that God has for CHC,” explained Bernard.

He expressed his agreement with Kong that there is an urgent need to take the leadership, governance and operations of CHC to the next level. “We are considering the best way at this point to ensure longevity and perpetuity of the ministry.”

The objective behind his involvement is to “bring the church to a greater level of efficiency and effectiveness. By efficiency, I mean great accountability and focus in the financial management of the church. By effectiveness, I mean reaching the specific and agreed-upon goals and purposes of CHC.”

At service, Kong told the congregation: “By the grace of God, we have done remarkably well as a church in the past 21 years. We now look forward to building on the gifting, anointing and wisdom of these two men of God as members of our advisory committee. They have both been mentors to me and my wife Sun. They will now strengthen and add to our spiritual DNA. Through their independent perspectives, they will bring fresh and novel ideas to build up our church in the years to come.”

With support from Bernard and Pringle, CHC is bracing for a time of change that will prepare it for the next level. “The whole advisory committee is about making the congregation feel safe and assured,” Bernard added. “It is not to be perceived that we are coming over and turning it into something else.

“We are accepting responsibility for the future of the church.”

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A Warning Article Issued By ‘Do Not Be Surprised’ About C3 Presence Conference 2012

28 Wednesday Mar 2012

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‘Do Not Be Surprised’ has mentioned C3 Church Watch in an article on the Presence Conference 2012. Their article addresses the issues of the ministers speaking at the event like John Bevere, Kong Hee and of course Phil Pringle.

‘Do Not Be Surprised’ writes,

Steven Furtick and the Presence 2012 Conference

It seems that April 10-13 will be a time of “fresh anointing, enlarged vision and amazing empowerment” in Sydney, Australia. The Presence Conference, sponsored by Phil Pringle and C3 Church, plans to make waves at Darling Harbour during these days. The powers behind Presence describe their expectations thusly:

We believe that as we gather together at Presence the heavens will be opened over your life and you will experience a greater outpouring of his anointing, blessing, vision and miracles. (Online Source)

This offers a vivid picture of the event and is in fact very telling of the direction in which the speakers at Presence will likely wander. Scheduled speakers for Presence 2012 include Phil and Chris Pringle, Kong Hee, John Bevere and Steven Furtick. In understanding the doctrine that is held by the Pringles, Hee and Bevere, it may cause one to question why Steven Furtick, who has been embraced by leaders within America’s evangelical community, would choose to participate in this event. The description provided above already betrays its Word Faith intentions, and Furtick’s fellow speakers undoubtedly perpetuate these erroneous doctrines in their own ministries.

Phil Pringle, senior pastor of C3 Church and the architect behind Presence, clearly and unashamedly teaches things such as positive confession, visualization, the power of attraction and the prosperity gospel. At the blog C3 Church Watch, Pringle’s teachings are compared against those of Rhonda Byrne, author of the New Age bestseller The Secret. The similarities are startling, and should cause concern to rise within any Christian. Below, Pringle’s teaching on visualization is compared with that of Byrne:

Ronda Byrne also teaches on visualisation:

“Visualization is the process of creating pictures in your mind of yourself enjoying what you want. When you visualize, you generate powerful thoughts and feelings of having it now. The law of attraction then returns that reality to you, just as you saw it in your mind.” – Rhonda Byrne, The Secret, 2006, pg 93.

Pringle also teaches on visualisation (watch how he approaches scriptures with his experiences):

“A long after that experience, I looked back and realized that many of the elements I had seem in the imaginations in my mind were a duplicate of what actually happened [sic]. I had stumbled on to a principle of God. As I investigated the Scriptures, it became obvious to me that God spoke to His servants from the beginning of time through visions and dreams. Here we’re looking at the vision of faith. As soon as a real faith for anything arrives in your heart, you will see that thing.” – Phil Pringle, Faith, 2001, pg 94-97.

“In Ephesians 3:20 Paul says that “God is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think.” The Greek word for “think” here is “no’eo.” This literally means “to conceive and perceive.” Once we are visualizing some-thing, God is able to do exceedingly abundantly above it.” – Phil Pringle, Faith, 2001, pg 103.

“Gods movies [sic]. There is a screen within our mind upon which three projectors are jostling for prime time… He [God] has a projector with a preset, wonderful destiny as the main feature. As we enter the Spirit through praise and worship, God will form His vision within our thinking. We pray the prayer of faith. The vision of the answer comes to mind and we see it, in living colour… Once the vision of the fulfillment of your dream has been planted in your mind, bring it to your prayer life. Each time you pray bring the picture to mind and meditate on it. See it happening. Destroy all the images of failure. Replace them with the image of success.

Right now in my life I spend much time dreaming over my visions of faith. I know this works. I would be a fool to ignore it. Remember, one of the mightiest keys in the Kingdom of Heaven is faith. Vision is a major part of faith, for we walk by faith and not by sight. Faith is directly contrasted to natural eye sight.” – Phil Pringle, Faith, 2001, pg 103.

(Online Source)

C3 Church Watch also offers insight into some of Phil Pringle’s teaching on prosperity and tithing. Unsurprisingly, he falls in line with so many seeker-driven pastors today who teach that one’s money is cursed until it is redeemed with the tithe:

“When Paul told the Philippians that God would supply all their need… their generosity would trigger one of the most powerful spiritual laws in existence. It is the law that the widow of Zarephath discovered when Elijah told her to give away her last meal… For the provision of God constantly to be at work in our lives we must activate the laws of God.” – Phil Pringle, Faith, 2001, pg 153.

These are the giving laws recognised in the Word of Faith Movement such as the ‘tithe’ and ‘seed faith’ heresies. Believers are taught to obey these so they may be graced or favoured with the Gods miracles. This is salvation by works. As a result, Pringle curses Christians by the very ‘faith’ he says we must live by.

“This especially applies in the world of tithing. Tithing in one sense is not actually giving. The tithe belongs to God, not to us. Malachi the prophet says that when we keep the tithe we are actually “robbing God”.” – Phil Pringle, Faith, 2001, pg 155.

“When we withhold the tithe we bring upon ourselves a curse.” – Phil Pringle, Faith, 2001, pg 156.

“Thirdly, WHEN we sow determines when we will reap. We need to sow well before we plan to reap. The time to sow is not when you have a need. You are to be constantly sowing your world with generous actions of faith. Oral Roberts has called this “seed faith”. Anyone who plants a seed has faith that it will become a plant in time. We all realize that it’s not going to happen overnight, but faith and patience inherit the promises of God.” – Phil Pringle, Faith, 2001, pg 156-157.
(Online Source)

The teachings of Phil Pringle, then, are indeed some to be carefully watched. In the March 17, 2012 episode of Fighting for the Faith, Christian apologist Chris Rosebrough offers a helpful critique of a recent Phil Pringle sermon (the sermon review begins about 1 hour in). The reader is encouraged to listen and come to understand the methods being employed by Pringle in his teaching.

Kong Hee is another speaker scheduled to appear at Presence 2012. Hee was examined briefly in the post, T.D. Jakes Joins Fellow Word Faither-ers at Vision 2012, wherein it was noted,

Hee pastors City Harvest Church in Singapore. His biography on the Vision 2012 website reads as follows:

Kong Hee is the founder and senior pastor of City Harvest Church (CHC), Singapore—a Spirit-filled Pentecostal church that was birthed in 1989. With just 20 members at its inception, the church has grown to an average weekly attendance of over 24,000 members today with 71 percent first-time converts.

Through his visionary leadership, CHC has become widely known as one of the most dynamic and innovative churches in the Far East. The keys to the remarkable growth experienced by City Harvest Church are vision, faith, commitment, a desire for excellence and effective discipleship.

After more than two decades of pastoral ministry and training disciples for the kingdom of Christ, Kong maintains a passion to see lives changed by building contemporary, relevant and anointed strong local churches in Asia. (Online Source)

It is not difficult to see why Hee’s church grew to such a large capacity. Clearly he is a man who teaches exactly what the people want to hear. The video below shares a full-length message delivered by Kong Hee entitled, “Nine Reasons Why Jesus Was Not Poor:”

Some interesting points to note in this “sermon” are Hee’s claims at approximately the 7:50 minute mark that, “[Jesus] would take you out to a nice restaurant! [Our Jesus] is not a cheapskate Jesus!” Or perhaps the reader would be curious to hear Hee’s rather interesting interpretation of the feeding of the 5,000 (approximately 9 minutes in).

Some more notable Scripture twists in this message are: at approximately 24 minutes in, Hee perverts 2 Corinthians 8:9; and at 31 minutes and following, Hee declares, “If we worship a poor Savior, we will always be poor.” Not long after this, he says, “prosperity and wealth are our rightful inheritance,” and, “a poor Savior can’t get you out of poverty,” to which Hee adds a familiar distortion of the promise of the 30, 60 and 100-fold harvest (Matthew 13:8ff). Indeed, throughout the entirety of this sermon, Hee unapologetically, unflinchingly and unconscionably twists the holy Word of God.

Not surprisingly, Phil Pringle has preached at and even sits on the advisory board of Kong Hee’s church in Singapore. It is clear that these two men share a similar theology, as well as corresponding goals and a shared “vision” for the church.

This brings us to John Bevere who, along with Steven Furtick, is named as a “featured guest” for Presence 2012. Bevere and his wife, Lisa, founded Messenger International. According to the website,

Messenger International exists to help individuals, families, churches, and nations realize and experience the transforming power of God’s Word. This realization will result in lives empowered, communities transformed, and a dynamic response to the injustices plaguing our world. (Online Source)

John Bevere has authored numerous books, including one entitled Relentless: The Power You Need to Never Give Up. Throughout this book, Bevere is found to consistently point the reader not to Jesus, but to him or herself. Greatly exaggerating the idea of the Christian’s unity with Christ, Bevere states:

So the question now becomes, Who is Christ? this is where an unrenewed mind once again steals from the children of God. when many think of Christ, they think of only Jesus Christ, almost as if Christ is His last name. These dear people don’t think of anyone else other than our Great King who died on the cross and was resurrected. yes, the name Christ does refer to our Lord and Savior, but let’s see what God’s Word says.

Paul tells us, “Now all of you together are Christ’s body, and each one of you is a separate and necessary part of it” (1 Corinthians 12:27, NLT). We believers, together, are Christ’s body. Each of us is a vital “body part.” Jesus is the head, we are the body; it’s that simple!

… When you think of yourself, do you think of your head as being separate from or different from your body? Would you call your head by one proper name and your body by a different proper name? Of course not. You are one being – one person.

In the same way, Christ’s head and His body are one. Jesus is the head, and we are different parts of His body, so we are one in Christ. So when you read Christ in the New Testament, you need to see not just the One who died on the cross but also yourself.
(John Bevere, Relentless, 18, emphasis added)

In the book, Relentless, when Bevere describes a characteristic or function of Christ, he follows it up with some form of the question, “would you say the same thing about yourself?” This gives the impression of elevating the Christian nearly to a place of deity. Indeed, it tends to remind one of the blasphemous and heretical “little gods” doctrine of the Word Faith teachers.

In his well-known book, Charismatic Chaos, John MacArthur exposes the erroneous “little gods” doctrine.

[Kenneth] Hagin, whom most major Word Faith teachers acknowledge as a major influence in shaping their theology, has said, “If we ever wake up and realize who we are, we’ll start doing the work that we’re supposed to do. Because the church hasn’t realized yet that they are Christ. That’s who they are. They are Christ. (MacArthur, Charismatic Chaos, 334).

It certainly seems from Bevere’s quote above, and from even a brief perusal of his book, that he believes the Christian to be Christ, just as Hagin has asserted. MacArthur continues,

Thus have the Word Faith teachers deposed God and put the believer in his place. From that basic error nearly all their other fallacies flow. Why do they teach that health and prosperity are every Christian’s divine right? Because in their system, Christians are gods, deserving of those things. Why do they teach that a believer’s words have creative and determinative force? Because in their system, the believer is sovereign, not God. (Charismatic Chaos, 335)

Indeed, at the very least, Bevere believes that man is sovereign over the earth. While God has commanded man to “fill the earth, and subdue it” (Genesis 1:28), on page 16 of Relentless, Bevere takes this to mean that, “You and I, not God, are in control of how life is run on this planet.” Yet, the Christian knows, and the Psalmist reminds us that,

The earth is the LORD’s and the fullness thereof,
the world and those who dwell therein,
for he has founded it upon the seas
and established it upon the rivers. (Psalm 24:1-2)

Herein lies the great danger of Bevere’s earlier statement, that the believer actually is Christ. For if the earth is the Lord’s, and the Christian is equal with God, then the logical conclusion is that man is sovereign over the earth. Indeed, if man is Christ, how much more authority must he possess? And thus we find one of the obvious thrusts of Relentless, that man must come to recognize, acknowledge and use the authority that has been granted him as one who is, in essence, Christ.

Knowing all of this, then, what ought one think of Steven Furtick’s involvement in Presence 2012? Furtick has been lovingly embraced by leaders such as James MacDonald and Mark Driscoll. Yet, he has done little to hide his desire to grow his skills and influence among the Word Faith crowd. Furtick has lauded the work of infamous Word Faith teachers T.D. Jakes and Joyce Meyer. Many of Furtick’s own sermons either hint at or in some instances, blatantly promote dangerous Word Faith teachings (examples of this can be found by visiting some of the links below). His special invitation to speak at Presence 2012, then, ought not surprise. However, it still should elicit concern. With its language of a “fresh anointing,” and “vision and miracles,” Presence 2012 appears to go beyond the familiar Word Faith teachings of “health and wealth,” and into the realm of signs, wonders and manifestations.

It would most certainly be encouraging if those who who have embraced and promoted Steven Furtick as a trusted teacher of God’s Word were to express concern and apprehension over his appearance at Presence. Yet those same men have themselves embraced another, T.D. Jakes, who for years has taught the heretical doctrines of the Word Faith movement. Thus the cry for “unity” continues to come at the expense of truth, and so the silence, though deafening, does not come unexpectedly.

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Phil Pringle And Kenneth Copeland

16 Friday Mar 2012

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Another Jesus, A Different Spirit, A Different Gospel 2Cor 11:4

Another Jesus, A Different Spirit, A Different Gospel 2Cor 11:4, (Quotes sourced below)

PHIL PRINGLE’S VIEW OF KENNETH COPELAND

Scripture says,

“Watch yourselves, that you do not lose what we have accomplished, but that you may receive a full reward. Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.” 2John 1:8-11

It is important that we understand who Phil Pringle chooses to be associated with. Does Phil Pringle receive teachers who do “not abide in the teaching of Christ”? Does he endorse them?

Sadly Phil Pringle endorses and supports many false ministries and teachers like the ministry of Kenneth Copeland.

Kenneth Copeland is a key player in the prosperity movement or ‘Word of Faith’ cult. It is men like Copeland that have given rise to dangerous heresies, endorsing gnostic/occult teachings and cult-like methodologies in the C3 Church movement. Unfortunately, people like Phil Pringle have fallen victim to these men’s false teachings.

So how does Pringle see Kenneth Copeland?

Pringle considers Copeland as a brother and prophet and defends Copeland ministry from other pastors.

“When Kenneth Copeland began preaching on prosperity, it seemed out of balance to many. Maybe it was, but few prophetic messages come forth as balanced thoughts. God often has to push the pendulum to the opposite side to get us back in balance. However, for whatever reasons, a lot of preachers took up arms against Copeland and began preaching against his message.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 140.

Pringle also says ‘Brother Copeland’ has spoken in his church twice.

“I have a simple philosophy of “rolling with the punches.” This takes the heat out of a lot of the punches we take. I simply rolled with what a lot of others thought was a threat to the local church. In fact we had Brother Copeland come twice and preach in our church. We’ve only been blessed by the message.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 141.

Must we remind readers that Pringle still promotes this book today. Since Pringle references Copeland in his book on leadership, (You The Leader), reveals Pringle sees Kenneth Copeland as a leader.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH KENNETH COPELAND?

Paul the Apostle insultingly says to the Corinthian church,

“I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully.” 2Corinthians 11:3-4

Kenneth Copeland preaches a different gospel message, a different Jesus and a different spirit among a number of other heresies. This isn’t too hard to prove.

THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO COPELAND

Kenneth Copeland teaches that man is God…

“You’re all God. You don’t have a God living in you; you are one! … When I read in the Bible where God tells Moses, ‘I AM,’ I say, ‘Yah, I Am too!'” – ‘The Force of Love,’ Kenneth Copeland, tape BBC-56, 1987.

“Now Peter said by exceeding great and precious promises you become partakers of the divine class. All right, are we gods? We are a class of gods!” – Kenneth Copeland, ‘Praise The Lord’ TV Show, , 05/02/1986.

“You are not a spiritual schizophrenic — half-God and half-Satan — you are all-God” – Kenneth Copeland, Now We Are in Christ Jesus, 1980, pg. 16-17.

… And teaches that Adam was God…

“He [Adam] was not subordinate to God … [but] was walking as a god with the authority of a god. … What he said went. What he did, counted. [And when he] bowed his knee to Satan and put Satan up above him, then there wasn’t anything God could do about it, because a god had placed [Satan] there.” – Kenneth Copeland, The Force of Love, tape #02-0028.

“God’s reason for creating Adam was His desire to reproduce Himself. I mean a reproduction of Himself, and in the Garden of Eden He did just that. He was not a little like God. He was not almost like God. He was not subordinate to God even. … Adam is as much like God as you could get, just the same as Jesus. … Adam, in the Garden of Eden, was God manifested in the flesh.” – Kenneth Copeland, Following the Faith of Abraham I, audiotape: #01-3001, Side 1, 1989.

“All of God’s attributes and abilities were invested in Adam.” – Kenneth Copeland, The Authority of the Believer IV; Tape #01-0304.

“You see Adam was walking as a God, Adam walked in God’s class, Adam did things in the class of god’s, hallelujah…” – Kenneth Copeland, Following the Faith of Abraham, Tape #01-3001.

Because man is God, Copeland teaches,

“Pray to yourself, because I’m in yourself and you’re in Myself. We are one Spirit, saith the Lord.” – Kenneth Copeland, “Believer’s Voice of Victory”, Feb. 1987, pg. 9.

Thus as a God an in complete oneness of God’s Spirit, Copeland promotes Gnosticism, teaching His pantheistic laws of the universe (doctrine of demons)…

“When we use the spiritual laws that God has set up, God must obey what we request.” – Kenneth Copeland, Praise the Lord, TBN, 05/02/1986.

And teaches God is incompetent unless we give Him invitation to use us.

“God cannot do anything for you apart or separate from faith.” – Kenneth Copeland, Freedom from Fear, KCM, 1980, pg. 11-12.

“God had no avenue of lasting faith or moving in the earth. He had to have covenant with somebody. . . . He had to be invited in, in other words, or He couldn’t come. God is on the outside looking in. In order to have any say so in the earth, He’s gonna have to be in agreement with a man here.” – Kenneth Copeland, God’s Covenant With Man II, Frt. Worth, KCM, 1985, audiotape #01-4404, side 1.)

Since the source of God’s power is Copeland’s divine, godly, spiritual, faith, He teaches believers can speak the desires of their heart into existence…

“What you are saying is exactly what you are getting now. If you are living in poverty and lack and want, change what you are saying…. The powerful force of the spiritual world that creates the circumstances around us is controlled by the words of the mouth.” – Kenneth Copeland, “The Laws of Prosperity, Ft. Worth: Kenneth Copeland Publications, 1974.

“You have the same creative faith and ability on the inside of you that God used when he created the heavens and the earth.” – Kenneth Copeland, ‘Inner Image of the Covenant,’ side 2.

“God used words when He created the heaven and the earth… Each time God spoke, He released His faith — the creative power to bring His words to pass.” – Kenneth Copeland, The Power of the Tongue, (Fort Worth: KCP Publications, 1980), pg. 4.

Because Copeland is God and is so divine with the faith of our creator God, He claims God is the biggest failure…

“I was shocked when I found out who the biggest failure in the Bible actually is… The biggest one in the whole Bible is God… I mean, He lost His top-ranking, most anointed angel; the first man He ever created; the first woman He ever created; the whole earth and all the fullness therein; a third of the angels, at least – that’s a big loss, man…. Now, the reason you don’t think of God as a failure is He never said He’s a failure.  And you’re not a failure till you say you’re one.” – Ken Copeland, Audio-Clip “Christianity in Crisis,” Hank Hanegraaff.

(Hear him say part of the quote above by clicking here.)

This is a different gospel; a different message; a different good news contrary to what the Apostles preached. As the Apostle Paul said,

“Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” Galatians 1:7-9

JESUS ACCORDING TO COPELAND

Copeland teaches Jesus was rich and His death did not atone for our sins and that Jesus became demon possessed or satanic on the cross.

“It takes money to preach the gospel.  Jesus Himself knew that, and contrary to what some people think, His ministry was not a poor one.  He had so much money coming in and going out through His ministry that He had to appoint a treasurer.  His name was Judas.” – Kenneth Copeland, From Faith to Faith – A Daily Guide to Victory, 05/12/?.

“It would have been impossible for Jesus to have been poor!” – Kenneth Copeland, Calvary Contender, 15/02/93.

“Because his physical death was not enough for the payment of sins there was a another way for sins payment. Jesus put Himself into the hands of Satan when He went to that cross, and took that same nature that Adam did [when he sinned].” – Kenneth Copeland, The Incarnation, Frt. Worth: Kenneth Copeland Ministries, audiotape: #01-0402, Side 1, 1985.

“JESUS “HAD TO GIVE UP HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS” – Kenneth Copeland, The Incarnation, Frt. Worth: Kenneth Copeland Ministries, audiotape #01-0402, 1985, side 2.

He teaches Jesus was damned to hell…

“He [Jesus] allowed the devil to drag Him into the depths of hell….He allowed Himself to come under Satan’s control…every demon in hell came down on Him to annihilate Him….They tortured Him beyond anything anybody had ever conceived. For three days He suffered everything there is to suffer.” – Kenneth Copeland, The Price of it All, pg. 3.

… And for Jesus to die and go to hell, Copeland teaches that Jesus lost his divine nature…

“There is no more sacrifice beyond this [the cross] because God has given Himself. There’s not any further that God can go ’cause that is part of Himself hanging on that cross. And the very inside of God, hanging on that cross, is severed from Him and in that moment of severing, the spirit of Jesus accepting that sin and making it to be sin, He’s separated from His God at that moment. He’s a mortal man; capable of failure, capable of death. Not only that, but He’s fixing on being ushered into the very jaws of hell. And if Satan is capable of overpowering Him there, he will win the universe and mankind is doomed.” – Kenneth Copeland, What Happened from the Cross to the Throne?, Frt. Worth: Kenneth Copeland Ministries, n.d., cassette tape, side 2. (Emphasis mine)

D.R McConnell, author of the must-read book ‘A Different Gospel’, writes,

“Kenneth Copeland is even more direct in denying the atoning efficacy of Christ’s blood: “Jesus went into hell to free mankind from the penalty of Adam’s high treason… When His blood poured out it did not atone. . . . Jesus spent three horrible days and nights in the bowels of this earth getting back for you and me our rights with God.”” – D .R. McConnell, A Different Gospel, 1988, pg. 120. (Ref: 28: Personal letter from Kenneth Copeland, Ft. Worth, Tex., March 12, 1979; italics added for emphasis.)

To demonstrate that we’re not being selective with the quotes of Kenneth Copeland, Copeland reiterated to the Christian Research Institute (CRI),

“When Jesus was made to be sin; He was separated from God. This is the reason while hanging on the cross, Jesus cried out with a loud voice, “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?” He had finished the Abrahamic Covenant by becoming the last sacrifice to ever be offered. When His blood was poured out, it did not atone, it did away with the handwriting of the ordinances that were against us. Jesus spent three horrible days and nights in the bowels of this earth getting back for you and me our rights with God.” – Kenneth Copeland, From letter to CRI, March 12, 1979.

Because Copeland does not believe in the atoning power of the blood, he teaches,

“Because his physical death was not enough for the payment of sins there was a another way for sins payment. Jesus put Himself into the hands of Satan when He went to that cross, and took that same nature that Adam did [when he sinned].” – Kenneth Copeland, The Incarnation, Kenneth Copeland Ministries, audiotape #01-0402, 1985, side 1.

“Jesus death on the cross was not enough to save us.” – Kenneth Copeland, What Happened From the Cross to the Throne?, Tape #00-0303), Believer’s Voice of Victory, September 1991.

“It wasn’t the physical death on the cross that paid the price for sin … anybody could do that.” – What Satan saw on the day of Pentecost, Tape #02-0022.

We can conclude that he does not know Jesus, the gospel and the atonement.

THE HOLY SPIRIT ACCORDING TO COPELAND

So where did Copeland get his teachings? From another spirit. As Copeland confesses boldly:

“The spirit of God spoke to me. And He said, “Son, realize this. Now follow me in this and don’t let tradition trip you up.” He said, “Think this way—a twice born man whipped Satan in his own domain.” And I threw my Bible down and I said, ”What?”

He said, ”A born again man defeated Satan, the firstborn of many brethren defeated him.” He said, ”you are the very image, the very copy of that one.” I said, ”Goodness, gracious sakes alive!”

And I begin to see what had gone on in there, and I said, ”Well now you don’t mean, you dare not mean, that I could have done the same thing?” He said,  ”Oh yeah, if you’d had the knowledge of the Word of God that he did, you could’ve done the same thing, cause you’re a reborn man too.” – Kenneth Copeland, Substitution and identification, tape#00-0202, side 2.

We know this is another spirit because it is not speaking on behalf of the Father and Son, but on its own accord (emphasis mine):

“But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.” John 16:13

Faith is not a force. Faith in Greek is πίστις which is pistis. The basic definition of pistis is ‘trust’. However, Jesus is the OBJECT of our faith. Jesus is not only our faith but graces us with the faith to believe in Him through His Spirit (Galatians 5:22; Ephesians 2:8). This is done so the Spirit can keep us in Christ and to keep pointing us to Christ (John 16:7-15). Jesus’ name is also ‘Faithful and True’ (Revelations 19:16) and his cross has demonstrated the loving, living faithfulness of God. Jesus is alive and IS the substance of our faith in which we hope for. The point is – God does not NEED faith, He is faith and the source of faith on which we rely.

In saying this, what is the spirit behind Copeland’s doctrines? His doctrines of Jesus, the cross, genesis, man and faith, can be traced to Gnosticism, New Age, through New Thought into the camp of the occult. Does this sound like teachings you would hear from the bible?

“The force of faith is released by words. Faith-filled words put the law of the Spirit of life into operation.” – Kenneth Copeland, The Force Of Faith, Frt. Worth, KCM, 1983.

“What you are saying is exactly what you are getting now. If you are living in poverty and lack and want, change what you are saying…. The powerful force of the spiritual world that creates the circumstances around us is controlled by the words of the mouth.” (The Laws of Prosperity, Kenneth Copeland, Ft. Worth: Kenneth Copeland Publications, 1974). – Kenneth Copeland, The Laws Of Prosperity, Frt. Worth, KCM, 1980.

“Faith is a power force. It is a tangible force. It is a conductive force.” – Kenneth Copeland, The Force of Faith, Frt. Worth, KCP Publications, 1989, pg. 10.

You can see Copeland’s teachings manifest Gnosticism as he does his best to explore the knowledge of his understanding of this unbiblical, creative, faith ‘force’.

“Faith is a spiritual force….It is substance. Faith has the ability to effect natural substance.” – Kenneth Copeland, Forces of the Created Human Spirit, Frt. Worth, KCM, 1982, pg. 8.

“The force of gravity… makes the law of gravity work… this force of faith…makes the laws of the spirit world function.” – Kenneth Copeland, Laws of Prosperity, Frt. Worth, KCP Publications, 1974, pg. 18-19.

“Faith is God’s source of power.” – Kenneth Copeland, Forces of the Recreated Human Spirit, Frt. Worth: KCM, 1982, pg. 8.

“Everything that you’re able to see or touch, anything that you can feel, anything that’s perceptive to the five physical senses, was originally the faith of God, and was born in the substance of God’s faith.” – Kenneth Copeland, Spirit, Soul Body, Frt. Worth: KCM, 1985, audiotape #01-0601, side 1.

“Faith was the raw material substance that the Spirit of God used to form the universe.” – Kenneth Copeland, Authority of the Believer II, Frt. Worth, KCM, 1987, audiotape #01-0302), side 1.

“God used words when He created the heaven and the earth… Each time God spoke, He released His faith — the creative power to bring His words to pass.” – Kenneth Copeland, The Power of the Tongue, Frt. Worth: KCP Publications, 1980, pg. 4.

“Words are spiritual containers” – Kenneth Copeland, Forces of the Recreated Human Spirit, 1982, pg. 15; cf. 14.

“The force of faith is released by words. Faith-filled words put the law of the Spirit of life into operation.” – Kenneth Copeland, The Force of Faith, Frt. Worth, KCP Publications, 1989, pg. 18.

“The day that Jesus was crucified, God’s life, that eternal energy .. moved out of Him and He allowed the devil to drag him into the depths of hell as if He were the most wicked sinner who ever lived..[and] to come under Satan’s control .. [or] His body would have never died. …” – Kenneth Copeland, Believer’s Voice of Victory, [Quoted in Berean Call] September, 1991.

It is clear to see that Copeland preaches a different gospel and a different Jesus under a different spirit not of gone. It is safe to say, judging by the bible that Kenneth Copeland disqualifies himself to be called a Christian. Therefore he is a false teacher and is sending people to hell with his false teachings and false prophecies. Even more importantly are the dates of the above quotes of Copeland. Pringle had him speak in C3 Brookvale in the 1990s and endorses him in his books in 2005. So after all Copeland has said and done and the criticism he has received, Pringle endorses him.

One has to ask the questions: Why does Phil Pringle associate himself with Kenneth Copeland? Why does he call him brother and considers his messages prophetic? If pastors were preaching against him, why does Pringle endorse him and promote him?

We have to come to a grim conclusion that Phil Pringle endorses Kenneth Copeland and “participates in his evil deeds” as the scriptures say. This is a serious evil Pringle has chosen to partake in.

Why is this evil? I can personally give an example of this. I know a family who attended Christian City Church. They came to love Kenneth Copeland through Pringle’s association. The mother took the Copeland’s teachings to heart and introduced his false faith teachings to her family. Their family started a church seperate from C3 who refered often to Copeland. The mother found out she had a fatal sickness and relied on her faith alone to heal her. She died causing much division in this church, troubling others and leaving behind a deep sadness when she passed away. In spite of her authoritative nature when it came to Copelands teaching on faith(which was frightening), she was very hospitable, gentle and inclusive. She was loved by all of us when she passed away. I had no idea that she found Copeland through Pringle’s endorsement of him. Would she be alive today if Copeland was not endorsed by Pringle?

We encourage ANYONE who is moved by the grim facts about the spiritual status of Pringle and the C3 movement, to pray for them.

Pray that he repents, turns away from Copeland and re-examines his theological understanding of the scriptures. We will examine Pringle’s theology and see how much Word of Faith teachers influence his theology.

NOTE: We wish to thank LetUsReason and DeceptionInTheChurch for      helping us with part of our research efforts. We wish to leave more  quotes from Kenneth Copeland in the comment section for C3ChurchWatchresearch purposes.

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MacDougalls Testimony Of Pringle’s Early Beginnings

10 Saturday Mar 2012

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A subscriber to C3 Church Watch gave us some interesting insight to the Pringle’s beginnings.

“In Phil’s book he talks about hundreds of converts coming into the church after he was saved. The first ‘hippy’ type convert at the AOG Sydneham, Christchurch at that time was a guy called Leigh Hoskins. who had a more dramatic experience than Phil. Leigh took me along the night he was saved . I was saved about three weeks after Leigh. I was the second hippy type convert at that time. Leigh used to winess to me nearly every day so effectively he was the catalyst for the revival. Leigh and I witnessed to scores of people before Phil and Chris came to church and already young people were coming in. Phil and Chris personally didn’t bring large numbers in but the church was already starting to multiply. Our church wasn’t the only one with this sort of revival. Ray Comfort was saved at the same time in another church on the otherside of town with a similar ‘revival’. The effectiveness of the Pringle’s early ‘ministry’ is highly debatable as most of their ‘disciples’ drifted by the wayside. Even their best friends and first converts, Wayne and Anne Tyndale dropped out after a couple of years and the last I heard several years ago they were still backslidden.” – Gary MacDougall, http://www.facebook.com/groups/c3churchwatch/291925204197120/, 6:24pm, 24/01/2012. (Accessed 11/03/2012)

Below is an article of what C3 wants you to read about their beginnings. Read this to compare the differences of reporting between the events.

The History of Phil Pringle & The C3 Movement

Gary MacDougall has politely provided his insight and his testimony in that time period. Thank you Mr MacDougall for your honesty, work, time and integrity.

Gary MacDougall Testimony

I was born again about 35 years ago at AOG, Sydneham, Christchurch, New Zealand, in the seventies hippy era. The first ‘hippy’ type convert at the AOG Sydneham, Christchurch, where I was born again, at that time, was a guy called Leigh Hoskins. Leigh had a far more dramatic experience than myself or Phil and Chris Pringle of C3 Church, and all other converts who started coming. Leigh took me along to the AOG church, the night he was saved . In fact I had just returned from Auckland, doing a meditation course, and was waiting for a taxi at the Christchurch train station at about 7.15pm on a Thursday night, over 35 years ago, when Leigh drove by and stopped to talk to me. I had never met Leigh before but a mutual friend was with him in his little car. Leigh was on his way to AOG for the Thursday night young people’s meeting at 7.30pm. Leigh had the longest and thickest hair I have ever seen on a male (in real life and in photos) and this guy was really wild!

Why would he be going to church? On the previous Tuesday night he took enough LSD to last 48 hours. As soon as his trip started he saw flames and demons around him and he thought he was in hell. However when he was a child he went to Sunday school and, at that time, his mother had been praying and fasting for forty days for his salvation. Leigh called out to Jesus as loud as he could at the beginning of his ‘hell experience.’ …”Jesus”, “Jesus”, ‘Jesus save me” he called out for help. His trip instantly stopped, when he mentioned the name of Jesus, which is obviously a miracle. He then rang the AOG church because his mother belonged to that denomination and she was attending another AOG church in the North Island. A deacon from the  church told Leigh to go along on the next Thursday night which was the  divine appointment whereby I met him i.e. two days after Leigh’s ‘hell experience.’ Leigh’s actually going to church was another miracle because the devil had two days to talk him out of it. Leigh was saved that night when we attended the young people’s meeting. By the way the conservative, young church folk at that time had never before seen anything like us guys up close with our long hair and hippy clothes. Leigh used to come round and talk to me about Jesus regularly and I could see that he was transformed. Leigh experienced a more dramatic conversion than myself, the Pringles or any others who followed. A church member bought him a whole new set of clothes when he was first saved and after about two weeks he had full haircut i.e. short back insides. He brought many people into our church. I was saved about three weeks after Leigh . It took many months for myself and Phil Pringle to get our hair trimmed and then only gradually. Although at the beginning I did have a clean shave and got rid of my beard. Phil had long hair for quite a while indicating that the inner transformation was slow. Leigh was quickly transformed in his heart and life.

The church already had about 200-250 solid members when Leigh and I  joined.  Leigh was witnessing full time and effectively he was the catalyst for the revival at AOG , Sydneham. He was the original young evangelist of the church and because he had such a dramatic outward appearance change he was effective with his old friends. I believe the ’revival’ at AOG Sydneham began through Leigh Hoskins although others have taken credit for it. When saved I joined up with Leigh with evangelizing. When I was first saved for the first two years or so I spent about 5-6 hours per day praying and reading the word and then a few hours evangelizing and attending meetings at our church and others nearly every day of the week. I walked-no bicycle just walking. The Pringles were more upmarket than myself-they had bicycles. It used to take me about a 45 minute walk each way to church from where I lived with another couple of stronger Christian guys. Leigh and I witnessed to scores of people before Phil and Chris Pringle of C3 Church came to our church several weeks after I was saved and already young people were coming into AOG Sydenham. Phil and Chris personally didn’t bring large numbers in but the church was already starting to multiply. Leigh and I motivated Phil and Chris with evangelizing. However before we came along the church had a few really effective and dedicated personal evangelists, one of them being Morrie Tattle, a businessman who was the man who helped Leigh with his new clothes. The church also had a lot of serious prayer warriors and dedicated Christians. The prayer warriors were the key to the ‘revival’ but everyone forgets them and pat themselves on the back and blow their own trumpets.

Whilst Leigh had a dramatic outward change it took some time before he was baptized and a couple of years to sort out his life towards normality. In my own personal case, if I said I was zapped the night I was saved, healed, delivered and baptized, I would be dead set the world’s biggest liar and con. It didn’t happen that way. God does NOT wave a magic wand. From a hippy type lifestyle one inherits many evil influences and even evil spirits. It took many months for me to be healed in my mind from the effects of drugs and about one year  to be completely delivered. It took about one year before I was baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit. This is logical…because of my lifestyle I had some evil spirit possession. A Christian needs to be set free of this before being filled with the Holy Spirit. Physically I could not do any more, as I was praying and reading the word to the max…and also fasting a lot-up to 21 days. However God works in His way and own time to heal and release us. Basically there are no Hollywood style dramatic zappings.

Our church wasn’t the only one with this sort of revival. Ray Comfort was saved at the same time in another church on the other side of town with a similar ‘revival’. The Elim church in N.Z. also experienced a revival at the same time.

Peter Morrow’s New Life Centre had about ten times the number of people in their main church and it was experiencing growth as well. That church had some fantastic Christians with amazing testimonies as well.

As I went to all the meetings in the years of the revival in our church I was there the night Phil and Chris Pringle of C3 Church were saved.  Phil talks about the night he was saved and claims he was delivered and filled with the Holy Spirit and all his problems taken away that night. Anyone reading this would think it was a Damascus Road experience like the Apostle Paul. Wrong!  The main deacon who counseled him that night told me personally that Phil was only counseled about salvation. I spoke to the Pringle’s after their salvation also that night and it was exciting they were saved but from my recollection nothing like what Phil describes in his book. I encouraged them to keep coming back and eventually after considerable time they had some deliverance and were filled with the Holy Spirit. In those days at our church ‘deliverance’ was not done the way Jesus did by just rebuking the devils. The deacons used to jump up and down shouting at the demons, pleading the blood and shaking you. I know first hand because I went through this sort of carry on myself. It usually took a few hours and was not instantaneous as in Bible days.

Peter Driscoll and John Graham were the youth leaders and had been for a long time and were great Christian leaders in our church. They were also good teachers of sound doctrine. However the pastors of the church, the Barton’s, tried to push the Pringles into their position. It was like two young people’s groups contending for the new converts, within the church. This was one of the reasons the Barton’s were voted out of the church by the members.

Also the members didn’t like the way the Bartons were focusing on the Pringles at the expense of the rest of the flock. The Bartons also used the Church’s money to buy a large house, called Hebron House, for the Pringles and new converts.  There was a lot of flack about that , especially as the real estate agent was a member within our church. Hebron house eventually became a burden for the church and the church ditched it. Of Course the agent in the church sold it.

Fortunately in my early Christian life I went to the sound teaching meetings of Peter Driscoll and John Graham and didn’t get led astray by the crazy stuff going on at Hebron House where the Pringles were operating. The Pringle’s could not teach sound doctrine to the new converts as they were only learning themselves. They had many problems themselves and were basically transferring that to new converts. If the new converts had been exposed to the sound teaching meetings of Peter and John they would probably be Christians today as most of the new Christians under the Pringle’s “ministry” at Hebron House, backslid. Also they had come from strong New age and hippy backgrounds and weren’t delivered from those influences at the time. The effectiveness of the Pringle’s early ‘ministry’ is highly debatable as most of their ‘disciples’ drifted by the wayside. Even their best friends and first converts, Wayne and Anne Tyndale dropped out after a couple of years and the last I heard several years ago they were still backslidden.

The Pringles were a big factor in the split of the church when the Bartons and Pringles left. The Pringles influenced most of the young people to leave as well but I stayed at the church until many years later and then I moved to Australia. In fact the split caused by the Pringles and Bartons, also caused John Graham and Peter Driscoll to leave the church  as well, which was a pity. The scenario with the Pringles and Bartons sent the church into turmoil and it took about a year to stabilize.

Fortunately in my early Christian life, I met an elderly Christian man, similar to Job in the Bible, who lived next door to where I was living. He helped stabilize my Christian life while the disruptions in the church were occurring. For 2-3 years I used to go to his house for a couple of hours at a time for extra bible study. He was house bound due to sickness and I was his only visitor apart from his son who visited maybe twice a year. No-one from his church visited him.

I also had regular spiritual support from a strong Christian couple and from time to time even scored a lift by car to and from church. That was great because it saved the 45 minute walk each way. But the downside was I couldn’t witness when going by car, like I could when walking.

During this time I was living by faith. The Pringles and other new converts at Hebron House had their needs supplied by the church, which funded everything for the house group. Maybe at this stage the Pringles realized you could live off the church and even make money through it. I had to daily believe God for my needs and of course he provided. I did not have to bludge money out of the church. God was my source. In fact I never had any support from the church. God miraculously provided.

When my elderly neighbour died I stayed with the elderly deaconess of our church in a self contained flat under her house on the hill overlooking the city. By then I had progressed to a bicycle and used to bike all around the city delivering tracts which I produced and paid for myself. My first tract, which I had printed about the time the Pringles were saved, was a black and white one called “Hippie redeemed from Destruction” with before and after photos of myself. I think I had about  5,000 of those printed which I personally handed out. My next one was similar but with the title “Searching”, with the before and after photos. I maybe had 10,000 of those printed and I personally gave out. Then I did one with a red cover with the word “Revolution…” on the front. (this was the time of Chairman Mao). Inside as part of the “revolution…” I had  “…of Love” and the story of God’s love. Then I had printed a four sided booklet in full colour titled “The Desert Shall Blossom as The Rose” with my testimony again. I had 25,000 printed and personally gave out each one. Then before I moved to Australia I printed a dramatic black and white with the words “IF you Died in the Next Two Minutes Where would you spend Eternity?” I printed enough for every single Post Office box in New Zealand and paid NZ post a fee to deliver. That one was very effective.

While all these things were happening and a couple of years after I was saved I started studying landscaping and eventually expanded into Australia and moved over to Brisbane to start a new business there designing landscapes. In Brisbane

I attended Garden City Church which is an AOG and later Christian Outreach Centre. I ended up getting some work opportunities on the Gold Coast , one hour from Brisbane and started my business there and became very successful on the Gold Coast. About six years ago, the pastor of the AOG church I was attending, had an outreach in Vietnam and I ended up funding the venture and his trip and coming over with him. On that trip I came in contact with a client doing a big project and started coming over every 2-3 months. I met my Vietnamese wife here and got married and moved over and started building up business in Vietnam. Now I design landscapes in Vietnam and live in Nha Trang near the central Coast. In fact the city is similar to what the Gold Coast was like 20 years ago. I now attend the Evangelical Church of Vietnam.”

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The History of Phil Pringle & The C3 Movement

22 Thursday Dec 2011

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The following information is from the book ‘Arise! The Story of Christian City Church‘ by John Barclay 1987. The book I have is personally signed both by Pringle and Barclay. The book is No. 576, printed by Dunamis Press Pty. Ltd, Woy Woy. (See PDF at the bottom to see the provided documentation of the books existence and endorsements.)

There is much false and misleading history spread by the C3 movement. However, Barclay does his best to give an historical account of Phil Pringle and the C3 Movement. What he says about Pringle and the origins of the C3 Movement is revealing.

Barclay opens up with this acknowledgement:

“To all members and pastors of Christian City Church who gave their time to be interviewed, and who subsequently added their suggestions and comments about the work in progress – my sincere thanks. Without them the book would never have been completed.

Especially to Pastor Phil Pringle for his encouragement throughout the work on this project, and especially for his willingness to be led by God to do His will in Sydney.” – John Barclay, Acknowledgments.

Phil Pringle also opens up this book ‘Arise!’ with a Foreword. This is surprising considering the content about Pringle and the beginnings of his church movement.

Chapter 2 is titled ‘Phil Pringle’. Below is the entire record of Chris and Phil’s conversion, marriage, ministry and the beginning to plan and build a church in Sydney (emphasis mine) :

“He was awake. Suddenly.

Hands were clammy. He was sweating.

Blackness hung all around, a ‘buzzing’ in the atmosphere.

Oppressive, and – evil.

Pushing in on him.

Fear gripped his mind, his body.

Eyes wide, he stared out into the darkness.

It was out there, everywhere. He could feel the evil presence closing in. Seeking him.

In a cold sweat beneath the heavy covers – he writhed.

What was it?

Where was it?

And dare he ask – who – was it?

Malevolence surrounded him, grabbing at his mind, and darkness, blackness seemed its rightful place.

“Jesus … help!”

In the first glimmerings of the early dawn the diabolism sunk slowly out as light infiltrated the room.

Philip Andrew Pringle, art student had spent half a night in terror. In the morning he was nervous with the memory, and sought to rid himself of it. He made a phone call to a friend who was also into clairvoyancy.

“I just need help,” he told her. “Last night was heavy.”

She suggested Phil Pringle and his girl-friend Chris visit a spiritualist group that weekend. “They’ll probably be able to help.”

When he told Chris she froze. “I’m not going back there. I’ve visited that place before and it’s no good.”

Slender threads, merest chances and the strangest of coincidences sometimes alter the entire shape and direction of our lives. With such changes of direction the lives of other people or the courses of nations, or even the direction of world history can ultimately be affected.

* * * * *

The very word ‘cancer’ is enough to strike fear into the heart of most people. It seems to be no respecter of age, sex or position in society, but strikes this one and that one at random. Terminal cancer had been diagnosed for a man who was well-liked and respected in Christchurch, New Zealand community, and at his workplace his colleagues were shocked and upset. One of them asked his pastor to call to visit the man.

Over the ensuing weeks first in his home and later in hospital, Pastor Dennis Barton of the Assembly of God Church in Sydenham, Christchurch, visited the man, leading him to Christ before he died. The man’s wife was deeply grateful to Pastor Barton and through the following days came to a greater knowledge of God herself. This reached a peak at a Clark Taylor rally where May committed her life to the Lord.

Two weeks later came the phone call to their home and May’s daughter Liz answered it. In the background, she heard her daughter’s suggestion to visit the spiritualist church and sensed something important had happened.

“Who was that?” she asked.

“Phil Pringle,” Liz replied.

Knowing of the art student as an acquaintance of her daughter she sought more details. Liz repeated the events of Phil’s experience to her mother.

“Don’t tell them to go there,” May replied, her voice urgent. “Quick, ring back and tell him to come to Church with me!”

Liz made the call, then May came on to give directions. Although she had never met Phil, she spoke directly to the heart of his problem when she added, “I know some people who can really help you. I want you to give them a call straight away and do whatever they tell you.”

As soon as he hung up with all the information, Phil made the call, the memory of it still hanging heavily. He had to be free of it.

The phone at the other end rang.

“Hello?” It was a woman’s voice. Phil had expected a male, the pastor.

As well as he could, Phil recounted the events of the previous night. Mrs Barton listened and could hear in this young man his desperation for God, and his need to meet Jesus. She spoke with caution and understanding.

Her words were direct. Someone could help him. “I want you to come to our meeting tomorrow night.”

“Okay,” Phil replied. Why not?

She gave the address and time and then added, “Don’t let the devil stop you from coming.”

“I’ll be there,” Phil assured her and hung up.

What did that mean? ‘Don’t let the devil stop you…’ What could that mean?

Phil repeated it all to Chris who decided to go with him ‘just to be sure he got there safely’.

On the Sunday evening, rugged against the cold of the winter they pedalled through the flat streets of Christchurch, side by side, two teenagers on bicycles holding hands, completely oblivious to the life-changing events about to unfold in their lives.

Arriving just on seven o’clock they were met at the front by May who took them inside.

Imediately there in the foyer they felt it. A presence, good ‘vibes’.

They were able to relax. The atmosphere was warm, and ‘buzzing’ with something good. “Good vibes eh?” Phil said quietly to Chris and she nodded in reply, relieved. There seemed to be a peace about the place, and people. Their faces glowing, radiating a warmth, it felt good to be here.

Singing and clapping were a joyour part of the meeting.

At first they felt strange, not knowing the words or the tunes, yet both were musical and they soon joined in.

It was like a whole new world they had never seen before.

They sang, they laughed, they listened to the message, and there found what they had perhaps unconsciously been seeking. Truth. This was a confrontation with it.

There was nothing tentative about the encounter and when Dennis Barton gave the call at the end of his message the pair responded. Quietly they made their way to the front, watched prayerfully by others who realised the impact of their meeting with Christ.

So God took hold of Phil Pringle in His own time, in His own way. Long blonde hair and a long beard, typical of the era, he was a most unlikely young man. Yet God is no respector of persons and looks at the heart. In this heart he saw a longing for truth.

Having given his heart o Jesus Christ there were other things needed in his life. Phil was ushered out ‘to the back room’ where several deacons and Pastor Barton began to pray for his deliverance. The heavy fear, the old burdens began lifting from him. Weeping with the joy of this new freedom he began thanking Jesus until there was no trace of the blackness left in him.

Now he was empty, cleaned out. He was free.

With a hand to his forehead, Dennis prayed. “Fill him Father, fill him with your Holy Spirit, with the power of the Holy Ghost…”

He felt it as it spread swiftly through his body, his arms and legs, his head, his fingers and his toes. Warmth and light.

A whole new power and strength welled up within him, within his inner man and now when he rose it was with the Spirit.

He began to speak. Sounds. No known language but just sounds and syllables. Speaking out from his own spirit verbally directly to the Spirit of God.

Phil did not understand what had happened to him, or how or even why. He just knew there was a change. Deep inside him things were suddenly very different to that which has been there only a few hours earlier

The fear, the terror, the absolute dread of the evil influences on his life was gone and in its place was a peace.

There was a fire too. Almost candle-like in its size just yet, with its flickering light, but it was there and he could feel it.

In the feeling of it, somehow he knew, instinctively that a fire needs fuel to flow. The fuel supply he had brought with him would scarcely keep the candle burning more than a couple of days, and Phil wanted more than a mere flicker. A strange and hardly recognisable desire was forming that wanted to build that tiny flame into a roaring raging fire.

That night and next day he and Chris talked. There were long hours of conversation which led them early in the week to again call the Bartons to seek counsel.

Chris was studying at college to become a kindergarten teacher, while Phil worked as a garbage-collector on the truck. They lived together in a converted garage behind a house in sububurban Christchurch.

They felt convicted, guilty.

God began dealing with them both very quickly, and they told all to the Bartons who led them through the Scriptures to show them the way to live their lives within God’s order.

Marriage!

Phil’s and Chris’ thinking was now completely in the opposite direction, and because both were under twenty-one they needed to seek parental consent in order to marry.

Family explosions rather than blessings were the immediate result, yet in wanting to do it quickly there was little time for the family to think. They merely had to act.

The Sunday after the dramatic conversion was almost exciting for both went forward for baptism by immersion in the heated font of the Church. Chris also received baptism in the Holy Spirit then and the fire also began to burn in her.

During the week the flame had been fuelled in Phil and was now beginning to burn brightly as the Lord took hold of his life.

The second weeken after conversion they went home to visit parents and the full families in order to settle details for their wedding which was scheduled for the next week. The flames grew stronger and stronger as Pastor Barton poured in more and more of the fuel of the Spirit of God.

The Church too responded to the rise of the Spirit in these two teenagers who suddenly seemed alive and so joyous. On the Saturday just three weeks after coming to the Lord the Church put on the wedding, and paid for their honeymoon which they cut short to get back on Thursday evening four days later for the next church meeting.

Sydenham, a suburb of the industrial area of the city of Christchurch in the South Island of New Zealand had a small group of people meeting Sunday nights as the Assembly of God Church. They met in a building capable of seating about two hundred and fifty people. They had been bound in a legalism which had caused a number of problems within the group, not the least of which ended with a large proportion of the people simply walking out.

When Phil and Chris came they were they [sic] very first of a new wave of people to sweep through that Church over a period of twenty months from August 1971 through to March 1973.

Hippies.

They came from everywhere.

Drawn like white ants to fresh timber for feeding they came from the city itself and from the length and breadth of New Zealand. And even came from other countries, searching, seeking truth.

They brought their friends. They came, and in turn introduced others, all finding that truth in the Person of Jesus Christ.

They sent messages to other towns and cities and these replied in person, travelling by aeroplane or car or train or bus.

Coming to this place in Christchurch to be set free of their oppressions.

Hundreds of them, indeed growing to well over a thousand as God moved through the entire hippy movement in New Zealand, these seekers after reality. As the first, now totally on fire for God, consumed with a burning desire to see all his friends brought to the Lord, Phil became the youth leader of the Church in Sydenham.

Now married, they set up residence in a large house with others from the Church and held their views with others from the Church and held their own meetings on Monday nights, attracting between seventy and a hundred people.

As the work grew within the Church and the house God was constantly filling and leading Phil on His ways. He was appointed to the position of Youth Leader, received some financial support and spent then as much time as possible by himself just seeking God, to get to know a real way in which he could communicate with his Father, and understand what He wanted done with this life he had plucked from the devil.

During 1972 whilst occupying the large house in Oxford Terrace Phil and Chris were visited by a Pastor from Sydney, one Paul Collins. Paul attended their meeting and preached there, being witness to the great move that God had begun in this place.

Afterwards as they talked about the things which were happening to each of them, a seed was planted.

“Oh, we need something like this in Sydney,” Paul said.

That seed, a simple sentence dropped into Phil’s life, into his spirit and although it was submerged beneath the work he was doing, it stayed there, buried and dormant for dsome time.

In March 1973, as abruptly as it had begun, the great move with the hippies suddenly ceased. Conservative and traditional influences within the Church rose up and demanded the removal of the pastor from the Assembly. They could no longer cope with the ‘disruption’ to their well-established order.

With the loss of unity, God could no longer act and hundreds of people were immediately cut adrift. Yet it is a measure of the strength and depth of the teaching and the establishment of solid foundations in God that many of these people went on to serve Him in other places, as pastors themselves, or as leaders, teachers and elders.

Eventually Phil – now a postman – and his wife Chris, now a mother with baby Rebekah, moved to rejoin Pastor Barton in the new Church to which he had gone.

The seed, quietly, slowly germinated and raised a tiny head which surfaced in Phil’s spirit.

Sydney. Sydney.

He felt a call by God to come, planned the moe and it fell through. Yet that tiny growing plant remained.

Sydney. Sydney.

Again they planned a move, and this time came across to remain with Pastor Paul Collins in the work he was doing for a period of five months. Yet it came to nothing, fo the vision was neither strong enough nor healthy enough to be transplanted and survive.

So the Pringle family – now four strong with a son Daniel returned to Christchurch and began a work pioneering a church in Lyttleton where a nucleus of people was in need of a pastor.

Late in 1978 Phil received an invitation to preach at a crusade in Madras in India over the Christmas-New Year period. Again he jetted out from New Zealand en route to Asia, but had to pass through Sydney.

Sydney. Sydney.

He felt a great presence of God coming on him, giving him a real peace about Sydney.

Sydney.

“I want you to come to Sydney…”
Sydney…

He had come before but the timing had not been right. There had been more growing to be done, more seeking of God’s anointing over his life, more learning of the ways of God in his life.

And on the return from India it had grown, the plant now beginning to stand erect by itself, rooted deeply in the spiritual ground God had prepared for it in this man’s life.

Sydney.

“I have given you this city…”

Sydney.

Given the city. Incredible. All that remained was to seek God to formulate the plans for the actual physical evidencing of what had already occured in the spiritual realm.

Sydney.

Each day Phil sought God more and a mighty vision began to grow within his spirit.

Yet still he worked at Lyttleton as pastor of a strongly growing Church. Why leave what was successful for something at which he had already failed once before.

Sydney.

Known as the preachers’ graveyard, there was little or no comparison with Lyttleton, or even Christchurch, for Sydney is one of the larger cities of the world. It is cosmopolitan, sophisticated, brash, hard and noisy, yet with an innate beauty flowing from a magnificent harbour.

Christchurch is small, quiet, with a country town flavour and a great beauty in its gardens and parks.

Sydney.

Throughout 1979 even as they worked on at Lyttleton the vision of a huge Church in Sydney began to develop in Phil’s inner man.

Now able to move quickly in contact with God, Phil saw the reality of hundreds, even thousands of people within the church he would pioneer. Still the vision grew, and with its growth came the longing of the family to return to this city and make it happen for God.

Finally then it came down to the direction of God, to seeking and listening and… obeying.

During 1978 the Pringles put a deposit on a home in Lyttleton. Now they were to move it was necessary for them to sell again. The move they knew must be total, as Phil, and indeed the whole family were to commit lives to the new Church.

Sydney.

Not just a year, or five years, or even ten, but a lifetime commitment to building a huge Church for Jesus Christ in the city of Sydney.

As he thought about it an excitement welled up, a warmth of the spirit within him told him this was the right thing to do.

Even thought they lost money selling the house, they were still totally solid in their comitment. Real estate of course goes through long term rises, but often short term fluctuations, and it was one such which caught the Pringles. Yet they did it, sold and eventually boarded the aircraft which was to remove them from New Zealand and take them on an adventure which would be pue excitement for life.

Sydney.

No shortage of heartaches or difficulties, yet a challenge such as few men ever face in the course of a lifetime, and fewer still ever have the staying power, the tenacity and the perseverance with to be successful.

‘And He said to him, “Launch out now into the deep and let down your nets for a great catch”.’” – John Barclay, Arise, 1987, pg. 18-26.

Moving straight on to Chapter 3 titled ‘The Early Days‘, Barclay talks about how Pringle DID NOT PLANT or even start a church, but took over the church of Paul Collins after his second church plant attempt up at Roseville failed. This resulted in Paul Collins church to split. Also note the young salsemans observation of Phil Pringle (emphasis mine):

“Those who were present that Friday night late in February 1980 listened in awe as Phil Pringle briefly outlined his vision for Sydney.

A dozen or so people sat around the lounge room in the home of Paul and Bunty Collins. Paul had been pastoring a small group in Dee Why for some time. Now they were preparing to move out, away to Hong Kong where they would take up work as missionaries.

For the past fifteen months Phil had prayed and sought God desperately to formulate in his own mind the vision of what He wanted done in Sydney.

Day by day he set the pattern which has remained with him by spending the first hour each morning after rising with God. Not just sometimes, not only when he thought of it, but being faithful every day, yearning deeply in his spirit, hungering after God.

It is the work of great men of all walks of life that they are prepared to go beyond the norm. They are ready to step out of the crowd early and do the things which others are not prepared to do. They commit their time in, their very lives to attainment of something higher, something greater than the average.

There is too in their loves a sense of destiny, a belief that they in fact have been chosen as the one through whom something great is to be achieved. Understanding that, they commit their time in early years to the development of themselves in the direction that destiny is leading

In many lives the development comes over a long time, and often it is not until the man is middle aged that his opportunity arrives.

Yet others are able to begin early to show out the greatness that God expects of them, and spend their lives growing out and beyond the areas normally expected of a human being.

So Phil Pringle committed his time to a [sic] learning what God wanted him to do in Sydney. Day after day, hour after hour, even as he had pounded the streets of Port Lyttleton as a postman, he sought the mind of Christ.

As he did so the vision began to be clarified in his thinking. He was to travel with his family to Sydney and begin the work there. If he was faithful to what God called him, God would bless that work and multiply it to such an extent that He would build the largest Church Sydney had ever seen. There would probably, he saw a day when there would be fve thousand people in that Church. Yet for now he could not really visualise that, but in his mind he could see five hundred.

A good sized hall – filled with people praising God. Perhaps a disused theatre converted into a Church as so many had done.

In such a Church he would remain absolutely true to the Word of God. That way God would bless the Church with growth beyond anything Sydney had seen before.

Now they were here, actually living and working in Sydney. Phil had obtained work selling life insurance, and his extrovert nature, his ability to speak persuasively with people meant success in that area. That in turn gave the family funds on which to live.

His seeking after the will of God for the Church had led Phil to the northern suburbs of Sydney, and together with the small group which had accompanied the family from New Zealand, he had begun meetings in a community hall in Roseville.

Roseville is a leafy suburb in the affluence of northern Sydney, and in every way should have been right for the church. A solid suburb with a strong proportion of young people, Phil believed it was the place to begin.

Starting with seven people, all of them from New Zealand, they had struggled for a couple of months, doing all the right things, but not experiencing much of the growth Phil felt deep in his spirit was to come. With Simon and Helen McIntyre, and Alison Easterbrook, and Phil’s own brother, the Pringles battled on gamely through February and into the early part of March. Nothing had happened.

What was wrong?

Phil continued to seek God every morning, to learn, to understand, to know what He wanted him to do.

There was a certain uneasiness about the choice of the place they were meeting. Perhaps it was not quite the right area. It would not be right to ‘muscle’ in on other pentecostal friends working in Sydney, but being close to Paul Collins, Phil decided to visit that group.

As they travelled down to the beaches from the heights of Roseville, a heaviness seemed to lift of [sic] their spirits. They somehow felt better. There was a distinct feeling that it was a good place to be, that God had His hand on Sydney’s golden beaches along the northern peninsula.

So they joined in with this group of up to thirty people meeting Sundays in the Dee Why Surf Club, and Friday evenings in the Collins’ home.

This was the first Friday they had attended, and Paul asked Phil to share his dream, his vision with those others who were there. In the future most would probably forget what he said – until the things of which he spoke began to happen.

Some there that evening had only recently become Christians, and found the experience quite mindblowing. It was something which went beyond their previous expectations of what Christianity was all about.

One, a thin, dark-haired teenager of nearly twenty years had a sales background, and heard Phil speaking in much the same way as his own sales manager at the weekly meeting. It was almost the identical hyped-up, super confidence and ego boosting phrases used in the sales meetings to generate the enthusiasm to get out and sell.

Yet somehow there was a difference. It did not seem false in any way. It was not a facade covering an entirely different reality. Somehow there was a sense that God was actually in this thing, that He had His hand on it and would bring it about.

The lack of success ot Roseville and the feeling of things being right on the beach front prompted the group under guidance to make the move.

With Paul Collins and his family moving out to the Hong Kong mission field, it was suggested that Phil Pringle would take over the leadership of the Dee Why group. Yet possibly because he too was a latecomer, and some of the longer time members felt loyalties elsewhere, opposition to this move surfaced.

Cliques developed.

Some followed this one, some followed that one.

Feelings began to grow stronger. Days passed and the heat intensified.

At home Phil was acutely aware of what was happening. He had been over here now three months or more because he was sure, absolutely certain God had told him now was the time.

For years there had been a growing burden, a strengthening commitment in his head that he was called to Sydney for the building of a great Church. He believed it – totally.

A year ago he had received a stronger word than ever from his Master, telling him the city was his and to prepare to leave for the taking.

Yet now – God! What was wrong?

A few weeks in the wrong place before coming down to the beaches. They had been obedient on that score and a small group had accepted them openly and warmly.

He felt so right taking on the leadership of the group. He had sought God desperately, every day sweating it out in prayer and always he seemed to get the positive responses.

So why the problems?

Was it just Satan moving in to destroy the infant Church even as he had tried to kill the infant Christ, to prevent a great and mighty work.

He resisted. He bound the devil and commanded his departure from the minds and hearts of the people in the group.

And still the problem remained. Still there was opposition from within.

More prayer, and fasting to know the mind of God, and then, somewhere inside the deep recesses of his yearnings a message filtered through.

‘Stop your striving. Don’t you know that I am God, and I am in control? Let go. let [sic] Me be God and you be Phil Pringle.’

Let go? Let go?

What would that mean?

Giving up! Quitting. Resigning from leadership of the group.

And what would be the result?

He would have no Church, no group, no anything. Just his family, and he would be right back where he started three months ago. Only now completely broke.

‘Let go!’

God, no! There’d be nothing left.

Why would God want him to quit? Why?

Yet Phil is nothing if not obedient to the discerned word of God. In this case it was a struggle, and he had to be sure. But the message still came from every possible side: ‘Let go!’

He determined then to resign and allow the other group to promote its own man as leader, and straight away, feeling a mixture of apprehension and peace he went to do that.

Others had been seeking the mind and will of God as well and it all came together very soon. Even as he prepared his resignation, it was accepted throughout the group that one part would move to Chatswood with the other man, while the others would remain at Dee Why with Phil Pringle as their leader.

God had worked it out, had been able to operate in the absence of the strivings and wrangling. Those who remained were totally committed to the vision Phil had shared, and the following Sunday evening about a dozen people gathered at Dee Why Surf Club to sing and to clap and dance freely in their praises to God.

The traumas of the split were banished now and with vigour that belied their numbers they sent about building the Church God had promised for Sydney.” – John Barclay, Arise, 1987, pg. 27-31.

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Phil Pringle On Facebook

15 Thursday Dec 2011

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A. R. Bernard, Australia, Bill Johnson, Billy Graham, c3, c3 church, C3 Church Hong Kong, c3global, C3OF, ccc, cccof, Chris Pringle, City Harvest Church (Official), David Yonggi Cho, Evangelist Reinhard Bonnke - Official Page, Hillsong Live, hillsong united, Joel Osteen Ministries, John Bevere, Joyce Meyer Ministries, Kari Jobe, Kathryn Kuhlman, Kenneth Hagin, Kim Walker, Kong Hee, Marcos Witt, Paramore, Phil Pringle, Planetshakers, Pringle, Reinhard Bonnke, Smith Wigglesworth, Sun Ho (Official), T.D. Jakes Ministries/The Potter's House

Phil Pringle’s Facebook info reveals a bit about himself. We will be relying on this information for future articles in regards who he likes being associated with and the origins of his church. Readers will learn later how Phil Pringle did not start C3 Church in Australia but actually failed in his attempt to start a church in Sydney. Instead, he was trusted to a church which he later overtook that caused that church to split.

However, Phil Pringle’s biography on Facebook reads:

“Phil Pringle is the Founder and President of C3 Church International, a global movement of over 240 churches, and the Senior Minister of C3 Church in Sydney Australia. Phil and his wife, Christine, started C3 Church in 1980 and it is now one of the fastest growing, exciting and powerful churches in Australia. An entire global movement of vibrant churches has been birthed as a result of Phil’s lead…ership and vision as he maintains an uncompromised passion to see cities changed by a contemporary, relevant and anointed church. Phil’s dynamic and relevant preaching has made him a much sought after speaker in both Christian and secular contexts, particularly in the areas of faith, leadership, ministry of the Holy Spirit, church building and kingdom principles of finance and giving.

My wife, Chris and I, with the kids and some good friends came to Sydney from New Zealand in 1980 to start a church. We had 13 people at our first service but the congregation grew rapidly and we moved buildings, bought land and built a school. We began planting churches around Sydney, then Australia, then the world; we now have close to 300 congregations in our movement. Our 2020 Vision is to plant and grow 1000 churches and we’re on target to meet this!

We’ve started C3 College for Ministry, Creative Arts and Counselling, as well as a television program and Oxford Falls Grammar School, all on around 25 acres at Oxford Falls.

I’ve always been passionate about the arts playing a major role in church to make her contemporary and relevant to the current world. Our Creative Arts stream has developed and graduated thousands of musicians, worship leaders, song writers, graphic artists, dancers, actors and film makers. I myself paint and exhibit around the world. I also love to write, so I’ve mixed these two elements together in books like Inspired to Pray, But God and 24 Hours That Saved The World – The Gospel of John in Art. My other books include Faith, Moving in the Spirit, Leadership Excellence, Financial Excellence, Leadership Files and You the Leader.

My great love is the local church. I believe she is the hope of our world today. When she functions in the power of the Holy Spirit and lives on the Word she will thrive. See you in Church!” – Phil Pringle, Biography, http://www.facebook.com/pages/Phil-Pringle/181344135208983?v=info. (Accessed 03/12/2011)

Phil Pringle says he likes:

“The Bible, Kari Jobe, Australia, Evangelist Reinhard Bonnke – Official Page, Planetshakers, Kathryn Kuhlman, Paramore, DON MOEN (Praise & Worship Leader), David Yonggi Cho, A. R. Bernard, Kenneth Hagin, Jesus Culture, delirious, Brooke Fraser, hillsong united, Billy Graham, City News, City Harvest Church (Official), Joel Osteen Ministries, Hillsong Live, Smith Wigglesworth, Kong Hee, Kim Walker, Taste Media, C3 Church, C3 Church Hong Kong, Joyce Meyer Ministries, T.D. Jakes Ministries/The Potter’s House, John Bevere, Ooosh!, A. R. Bernard, Sun Ho (Official), Kong Hee, Bill Johnson, Marcos Witt, Chris Pringle” – Phil Pringle, Biography, http://www.facebook.com/pages/Phil-Pringle/181344135208983?v=info. (Accessed 03/12/2011)

Ministers that Pringle likes and often endorses in his ministry are David Yonngi Cho, Kenneth Hagin, Hillsong, Kong Hee and his City Harvest Church, Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyer, John Bevere, TD Jakes, Bill Johnson and Marcos Witt. There are extensive articles written on these problematic ‘Christian’ ministers. Later articles will check their doctrines, ministries and practices. It is important to warn anyone about the false Christian TD Jakes (who denies the foundational trinity doctrine to the Christian faith) who Pringle endorses. Not to mention Kenneth Hagin and Kong Hee known worldwide for the plagiarism of other people’s material, who Phil Pringle also endorses. More articles will be written on these people as time goes on.

NOTE: ALL SCREEN GRABS WERE TAKEN BEFORE THE 15/12/2011.

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About C3 Church Watch

20 Wednesday Jul 2011

Posted by Nailed Truth in C3 Culture, C3 Ministry, C3 Scripture Handling, C3 Spirituallity, C3 Teaching, C3 Values, Church Sermons, Connect Notes, Pringl'es Books, Pringle's Art, Pringle's Behaviour, Pringle's Beliefs, Pringle's Blog, Pringle's Business, Pringle's Doctrine/Gospel, Pringle's Encounters, Pringle's History, Pringle's Influences, Pringle's Issues/Events, Pringle's Jesus, Pringle's Language, Pringle's Laws, Pringle's Methods, Pringle's Outcomes, Pringle's Prophecies, Tweets/Other

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This blog is about monitoring the C3 ‘Church’ movement. The head of this movement is Phil Pringle.

    1. We will be observing the C3 Movement’s values by critically examining their beliefs.
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    4. We will be monitoring the C3 organisation’s vision, events/issues and outcomes and compare them to the standards of the gospel and New Testament church, revealed in the New Testament scriptures.
    5. We will be testing Phil Pringle’s spirituallity by comparing the persons of the trinity in the bible with Pringle’s ‘Godly’ encounters, his Jesus and his prophecies from ‘God’.
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In 1980, New Zealand born Phil Pringle and his wife Chris, (supposedly) started Christian City Church in Sydney. Their church today is located at Oxford Falls. This blog is designed to watch and monitor C3 Church Oxford Falls and it’s pastors, specifically Phil Pringle. Today they have many C3 organisations around the world…

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