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Why Would CHC Want Phil Pringle As Their Advisory Pastor? (Part 2)

18 Saturday Aug 2012

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PROOF THAT PRINGLE DOES MANIPULATE PEOPLE USING HIS SERMONS

Before reading a CHC article on Pringle, we would like to point out how scheming Pringle is when it comes to approaching Sunday services. He is totally aware on how to control people and say what they want to hear to get what he wants.

“People can become anything under the right conditions.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 267.

“What we preach is what we get. We are farmers sowing seed. If we are unhappy with the harvest we’re reaping, we should sow different seed. If we want different results, we preach different messages.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 215.

“I don’t approach Sundays with an attitude of, “What message shall I preach?” but rather, “What do we want to achieve in our church at this time?” That desired end result determines what and how I preach. Then, within the particular message, I ask myself, “What am I trying to achieve here? What one thing am I attempting to say? What do I want these people to have or do at the end of this time?’

Then I follow the plan.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, pg. 234.

By now, it should be clear that Phil Pringle comes across as a manipulative soothsayer, that will do whatever he can to get what he wants.

C3 Bible College Students Taught To Be Manipulative Leaders

Prophets for Profit | Sermon Review: “Make Room for God” by Phil Pringle of C3 Church

CHC members should listen to the critique of the video above. They should be disgusted how badly Pringle manipulates people into giving their hard earned cash to their ‘Elijah’. They should be considered that Pringle unashamedly targets peoples wallets whether they are desperately poor or rich. Also, who can forget how Pringle teaches how to manipulate people into giving money and conforming to his methodologies?

PRINGLE’s REPUGNANT GRACE

Th best way to describe how Pringle treats the grace of God is ‘repugnant’. Repugnant can mean, ‘distasteful, objectionable, or offensive’. Christians should be offended how Pringle abuses the grace of God to manipulate people. In the below article we would like to point people to Pringle’s translation guide, especially how he defines grace and favour as being ‘interchangeable’.

Phil Pringle’s Translation Guide

At best, the below sermon is lip service and is nothing but dangerous doctrine and non-Christian teaching. If Pringle is teaching CHC they need to put on God’s favour (grace), then he is cheating them. Why? Because Pringle links God’s ‘Favor’ to fallen works as he has done so in the past. In the past, Pringle has taught we can get grace when we get “a great attitude,” get the “ability to forgive people” get a thankful heart, when we “worship,” “when our hearts are pure,” when you “get yourself ready for the day the set time of favour” and “when you have gone through a trial and you’ve found your whole world getting shaken, but you’ve stayed strong.”

Pringle Using His Prophecy Of Kong Hee To Elevate His ‘Prophetic Message’

He has also taught you can trigger God’s grace in your life when you give money to people.

Pringle Says Honour Bevere With Money “To Trigger The Impact of Grace In Your Life”

CHC reveals how evil Pringle’s teaching is by saying, “wealth and power are poured out on the people, just as it was poured out on Jesus”. But Jesus was not rich. This is a different Jesus.

If anyone has the audio of this sermon, please email us at c3churchwatch@hotmail.com. In light of all this, CityNews writes:

Phil Pringle: What Being Highly Favored Really Means

Posted on 20 July 2012

Phil Pringle taught City Harvest Church members what favor really is and how to live our lives for God as highly favored ones.

By Annie Wong

“We become highly favored the moment we come to Jesus,” declared Phil Pringle, the senior pastor of C3 Church, Sydney, and the C3 Global Network of Churches, at the weekend services at City Harvest Church. “Once the favor is on us, nothing will take it away. And it will cause us to rise above the difficult circumstances we are in.”

Originally slated to appear in Amsterdam for the opening of a C3 Church there on Jul. 14 and 15, Pringle, who is also the advisory pastor of City Harvest Church, cancelled his appointment to come and encourage the church during its time of trial.

In his message to the church, Pringle proclaimed that the church is highly favored by God. He went on to explain what being a “highly favored one” means. He also encouraged the congregation to dare to “put on” the favor of God in their daily lives.

The Highly Favored Ones

The moment people come to Jesus, they entered into the favor of God and are considered the highly favored ones. This is shown in Ephesians 1:6 which says “To the praise of the glory of His grace by which He made us highly favored (accepted) in the Beloved (Jesus).”

He went on to explain that all the wealth and power are poured out on the people, just as it was poured out on Jesus, when they receive the favor of God through Jesus. And when the church has favor, the presence of God is with them.

To illustrate what it means to have favor, Pringle gave the example of how King David looked after Mephibosheth, the grandson of Saul, in 2 Samuel 9. When David wanted to bless Saul’s descendants, he found Mephibosheth, the sole survivor of his family, and showed him favor. Even though Mephibosheth was crippled, David had him carried to the palace and brought to the king’s table to eat with him. On top of that, David restored to him the land that belonged to Saul and gave him Saul’s inheritance. Mephibosheth did nothing to deserve all these things, but David showed him favor.

Favor Does Not Equate To A Problem-free Life

However, being highly favored does not mean that life is problem-free, that people will like you or that everything will work out well. “In fact, you will live in a problem-filled life,” smiled Pringle.

Mary, the mother of Jesus, faced great difficulties after the angel appeared before her and proclaimed that she was highly favored by God (Luke 1:28). She could not explain to the people around her or make them believe that her child was from God.

“As soon as the angel said to Mary ‘you are highly favored’, the next thing he said was that ‘God is with you’”. Many times this is what God will says to us—He needs to say it because there will come a time when we don’t feel that He is with us at all,” explained the preacher.

He went on to remind the church that even though Noah found grace (favor) in the eyes of the Lord (Gen 6:8), he did not manage to make converts out of anyone in the 120 years he spent building the Ark. However, it was because of Noah, the world was saved.

Using the example of Joseph, Pringle also taught the church not to be ashamed of having God’s favor. In Genesis 39:21, Joseph put on the coat given by his father even when he knew his brothers will be angry with him.

“Joseph was more interested in honoring his father than making his brothers happy. The glory of God is not given for us to reject, but for us to put on,” said Pringle.

How To Live A Successful Christian Life?

Pringle shared with the church his belief for a successful Christian life: to have Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the Word of God, and finally to be part of a Church.

Jesus is the first step into the Christian life; to grow in the Spirit, a Christian needs to be in the Holy Spirit, to pray in tongues. Praying in tongues is the gateway to the supernatural, it helps to build the spirit man within the Christian, which then allow him to build others up.

“Don’t be grumblers, or complainers. It’s not difficult to find bad things to say, but it is when we prophesy to the church, we speak strength to the people. The Spirit unifies, so make a choice not to be amongst the complainers and grumblers, but be the one who speak life to others,” taught Pringle.

“We need a fresh supply of new oil, to strengthen us, and to empower us. Even the apostles were baptized in the Holy Spirit again and again, and whenever they encountered difficulties and challenges they would cry out to God again,” he reminded the congregation.

“The walk of God is sustainable,” he explained. “Sometimes we may mount up with wings like eagles but we can’t fly forever; we can run but not forever. To walk is what we are called to, every day of our lives. That is sustainable. We may have great experiences, and fly or run sometimes, but God [always] gives us strength to walk everyday.”

At the end of the service, Pringle encouraged the members to activate the power within them by speaking in tongues. The thick presence of God fell, refreshing those cried out for fresh oil in their lives. The advisory pastor also took time to prophesy over the church leaders and different individuals to encourage and strengthen their faith.

Jace Ang, 32, a make-up artist was blessed by Pringle’s presence at CHC. “He is indeed a friend to us. He came at a difficult time even though it was inconvenient, to edify the church and our leaders. We must be open, to receive the challenges that we face.”

Clara Loh, 28, a human resource assistant, felt encouraged by the message. “I feel very blessed and honored to have our advisory pastor preaching in today’s service. I am reminded to speak strength to one another so as to boost each other to be unified as a church, to be a builder of the church.”

Sales manager Hanson Chua 39, was reminded to give honor to God. “Joseph wore the coat despite knowing the ridicule he would face. It is important for us to keep in mind that we must always give honor to God and not to worry so much about what people may say.”

From:  http://www.citynews.sg/2012/07/phil-pringle-what-being-highly-favored-really-means/, (Accessed 15/08/2012.)

Why Would CHC Want Phil Pringle As Their Advisory Pastor? (Part 1)

15 Wednesday Aug 2012

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CHC members should strongly express their concern of having Phil Pringle ministering in their church as their Advisory Pastor.

In a C3 leaders meeting, Phil Pringle teaches that leaders can measure Christians “Passionate Spirituality… by how much they actually give”. He reveals the advantages of using the US laws to see  how “spiritually passionate” people are in their giving.

Don’t you think this is spiritual or financial manipulation?

We have audio of Kong Hee talking about how he copies everything Phil Pringle does. Both have the same ‘Rise and Build’ campaigns in their churches. So how much has Phil Pringle influenced Kong Hee on teachings of finance? Has Phil Pringle taught Kong Hee to behave in similar ways as himself regarding finances? Would CHC consider their Advisory Pastor’s behaviour legal in Singapore?

This teaching is not of God. The bible condemns such teaching and would claim that Phil Pringle is “bewitching” leaders in his own movement, deceiving Christians into believing that giving money is a sign of true Christian spirituality.

“O foolish [Christians]! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?” Galatians 3:1-6

Here is the transcript:

“And number eight: Passionate Spirituality. Passionate Spirituality. This is measured in tithing. There are several measurements they give for these. It’s unusual the measurements that they actually put on – on these ah – how they – how they said “We can tell if a church is spiritually passionate not by the fact they go ‘Oooooooo!’ [Acts like a crazy pentecostal] but by how much they actually give.” Ok?

Now as leaders, let me tell you this: you got no chance of getting your people to be tithers and blessed and prospering, if you’re not. And it’s the same with the building fund and everywhere else. And I make no apologies in this meeting for saying, before the Lord: that you and I are leading a group of people and we have got a responsibility to show them the way and be able to speak without any compromise in our conviction at all, that yes, we gotta bring that tithe into the house of God because that is- guarantees us an open window over our church life and over our movement. … [Fumbles]

I came across a leader who I knew who’d, you know– you know, sort of looked like they were doing the right thing with giving to building the building. But you know, we can check those records actually. In America you can check everybody’s tithing records. And Paul would base his- when he was in Los Angeles, you could base your pastoring on that couldn’t you, really? Just check it all out and weekly go around and see them and say ‘things aren’t working out for you?’.

‘Yeah! How did you know?’

‘Oh! You know…’ [Audience laughs]

And uh… but we can’t do that here. But what we can do is check, you know, is look on the ‘Rise and Build’ records and that tells us, you know, where, you know, the passionate spirituality if you like, of our people. And that’s an indicator. It’s not the amount, it’s just the sacrifice and the heart to be involved is actually there. And uh…

You know I’m talking like this because we’re a mature crowd here aren’t we? We can cope with this. And if it’s a little challenging, that’s great! Amen! We gotta smile when a thing challenges us saying ‘Yeah! This is good for me! It’s going to move me on ‘n get me up on my feet’. And so that- that… when we did, I just asked Wayne, cos I don’t actually go through those records and check them.

I just said to Wayne ‘Did that guy umm… was he involved?’. And he came back with a number that was just – you know – [Pringle shows disappointment, hand over face] that just boggled my mind, how that over such a long time that was it.

And it revealed a lot to me. It just told me everything as to why his situation was like it was.” (38:00)

It looks as though Kong Hee also peddles this same anathematic teaching that Pringle teaches.

Kong Hee’s allusion to John 3:16 echoes Pringle’s dangerous teaching on John 3:16. That being, Jesus and salvation are linked to the giving of money.

C3 Giving Sermon Transcript: Just Another Manic Sunday

“Let Me Just Talk To You Out Of A Scripture” – Pringle’s Use of John 3:16

“Every time you give, you’re helping another soul come to Christ.” – Phil Pringle, Ps Phil Pringle: GO! Week 2 (AM), http://www2.myc3church.net/videos/ps-phil-pringle-go-week-2-am, 55:21, 6pm, 14/08/2011.

When this happens, it is not surprising that Phil Pringle endorses messages where people can BUY the salvation of their families and friends.

C3′s Tetzel: Catholic Kubala Says To Pringle, God Told Him We Can Buy Salvation

Johann Tetzel Eat Your Heart Out | Andrew Kubala tramples on the blood of Christ at Presence 2012

Christian passion and maturity is demonstrated by a believers obedience in studying and handling God’s teachings correctly. The writer of Hebrews has this rebuke and correction on what Christian maturity is (emphasis in bold):

“About this we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.

Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, and of instruction about washings, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits.” – Hebrews 5:11-14, 6:1-3

According to the writer of Hebrews, Phil Pringle and Kong Hee aren’t even on the milk. According to the writer of Hebrews, Phil Pringle and Kong Hee “have become dull of hearing”. Maturity of a believer is clearly demonstrated what one knows of their God.

God Handing Phil Pringle To The ‘Strong Delusion’?

12 Sunday Aug 2012

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Scriptures say,

“The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” 2 Thes 2:9-11

Astral projection is,

“an ecstatic . . . mystical or out-of body experience, wherein the spiritual traveller leaves the physical body and travels in his/her subtle body (or dreambody or astral body) into ‘higher’ realms (‘higher’ in the sense that they are of a higher or non-physical vibration). Here it is common to meet 4 beings of light, ancestors, the Dead etc.” – Dr. Roger J. Woolger, Beyond Death: Transition and the Afterlife, Royal College of Psychiatrists, http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/PDF/RWoolgerTransition.pdf. (Accessed 12/08/2012.)

It is important to note that Pringle said he wanted to be like other pastors. Pringle looks up to false teachers like Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, Morris Curello, Benny Hinn and so on. He wanted to be like them by imitating the way they dress and present themselves. It seems that God handed Pringle, “a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” If you think that sounds strong, hear Pringle share his experience here:

He also talks of this experience in his book ‘Moving In The Spirit’,

“What the Holy Spirit was saying to God on my behalf was bold, but even more amazing was His attitude. It seemed as though the Holy Spirit has His hands on His hips and was reminding God of His promises. He was telling God He needed to act. He named some great ministers around the world, reminding God that He has blessed these people, and then He asked, “Now, why not Phil Pringle too? He was pleading on my behalf telling God that I was entitled to be blessed as they were! “So Lord, do it now!” was the Spirit’s bold request. It sounded like a demand.” – Phil Pringle, Moving in the Spirit, pg. 58.

But Jesus the Holy Spirit says this in regards to the Holy Spirit:

“. . . when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you.” John 16:13-14

What do you think?

Official Statements Surrounding The City Harvest Church Crisis

26 Tuesday Jun 2012

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OFFICIAL STATEMENTS IN REGARDS TO KONG HEE AND CITY HARVEST CHURCH

The Singapore Government, Ministry of Home Affairs have made the following statements online:

Police has earlier sent a press statement on CAD investigations into persons for criminal breach of trust and false accounting.  Below are Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Home Affair’s comments on the case:
  • I would like to stress that the charges filed by CAD are against 5 individuals from the City Harvest Church (CHC) regarding the use of Church funds. They are not filed against CHC itself.  The CHC is free to continue its church services and activities.
  • CAD carries out investigations when it receives information that a criminal offence may have been committed. CAD had previously investigated the National Kidney Foundation and Ren Ci.
  • As the matter is now before the courts, we should let the law take its course and avoid speculation or making pre-judgements that may unnecessarily stir up emotions.

(Ministry of Home Affairs, Singapore Government, Press Release, http://www.mha.gov.sg/news_details.aspx?nid=MjUxNA%3D%3D-HksHHlX%2F45U%3D, 26/06/2012. Accessed 27/06/2012.)

The Singapore Government also released a ‘Press Statement By The Singapore Police‘:

Press Statement By The Singapore Police – (From: http://www.spf.gov.sg/mic/2012/120626_chc.htm)

Furthermore, the Singapore Government released a ‘Press statement by Commissioner of Charities’:

Press statement by Commissioner of Charities – (From: http://app1.mcys.gov.sg/PressRoom/InquiryfoundmisconductandmismanagementinCHC.aspx)

Kong Hee’s City Harvest Church issued the following statement,

A STATEMENT FROM CITY HARVEST CHURCH

Dear Church Family,

This morning, Pastor Kong Hee, Pastor Tan Ye Peng, John Lam, Chew Eng Han and Sharon Tan were informed to attend court tomorrow.

There is no case that is being brought against the Church.

The CHC Advisory Committee, comprising Dr Phil Pringle, founder and Senior Minister of Christian City Church in Sydney and Dr A R Bernard, founder and CEO of Christian Cultural Centre in New York, will continue to provide spiritual leadership. Both pastors were appointed advisory senior pastors over CHC.

The Church Management Board continues to provide guidance on the running of the church.

Church operations and cell group meetings will continue as usual, including all weekend services at Singapore Expo and Jurong West.

In the meantime, do keep the church, our pastors, leaders and their families in prayer.

Yours faithfully,
Rev Aries Zulkarnain
Executive Pastor
City Harvest Church

(Source: http://www.chc.org.sg/_eng/church/church_StatementFromCHC-26-June-2012.php. Accessed 26/06/2012.)

(Source: http://www.chc.org.sg/_eng/index.php. Accessed 26/06/2012.)

NOTE: SCREEN GRABS TAKEN BEFORE THE 28/06/2012.

It’s worth noting that that City Harvest Church’s statement is misleading. It is not true that, “Pastor Kong Hee, Pastor Tan Ye Peng, John Lam, Chew Eng Han and Sharon Tan were informed to attend court tomorrow” that morning. They were ARRESTED that morning. That’s quite a convenient thing they left out of their statement, don’t you think?

This statement can also be found on City Harvest Church’s Facebook wall. 

(A STATEMENT FROM CITY HARVEST CHURCH, by City Harvest Church (Official), http://www.facebook.com/notes/city-harvest-church-official/a-statement-from-city-harvest-church/10151029263651220, Tuesday, 26/06/2012. (Accessed 27/06/2012.))

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Phil Pringle, Napoleon Hill… And Chuck Norris

24 Thursday May 2012

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Some people still may be skeptical about Pringle’s connections to New Thought/Occult influences. Here is another article that explores these associations. Pringle gets a casual mention alongside other problematic preachers and non-Christian teachers.

We have Herescope’s permission to reproduce this article.

Herescope writes,

“CHUCK NORRIS

HIS BELIEFS, HIS ASSOCIATIONS, HIS MISSION

By Gaylene Goodroad

When I finished my online E-booklet, My Life in “The Way”, exposing the Buddhist/Taoist/New Age roots of the martial arts,[1] I also documented the inseparable relationship to its Western point man, Chuck Norris.[2] Norris is a martial artist, actor, author, political activist—and professing Christian—which necessitates the need for discerning Christians influenced by his celebrity to weigh his beliefs, his associations, and his mission with the Bible.

CHUCK NORRIS: HIS BELIEFS

Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them

(Rom. 16:17)

As I documented in My Life in “The Way”, Mr. Norris kept his 1988 autobiography, The Secret of Inner Strength: My Story, very secular. While there is no mention of a Christian conversion or belief in the Lord Jesus Christ, he admits to being influenced by New Thought/Human Potential gurus, Napoleon Hill and Dr. Joseph Murphy.[3] Mr. Norris routinely utilizes and affirms the use of visualization techniques throughout his book while recounting famous karate matches with other notable martial artists. Commenting on this practice I wrote:

Much could be said concerning the occult/metaphysical nature of the human potential movement, but suffice it to say, it is NOT Christian. Napoleon Hill was given his formula of success—the “Supreme Secret”—from unseen visitors on the astral plane calling themselves “The Venerable Brotherhood of Ancient India.” They taught Hill the power of visualization and his famous maxim, “Whatever the mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve.” His most popular book, Think and Grow Rich, influenced millions. This demonic philosophy is behind such motivational teachings of the late Norman Vincent Peale, Robert Schuller, and Rhonda Byrne, author of The Secret.[4]

With prompting and inspiration from his second wife, Gena,[5] Norris wrote a second “Christian” autobiography, Against All Odds, in 2004. In it, Mr. Norris says that he trusted Christ as his Savior at age 12 (sometime in 1952), while making a commitment to Him sometime later after going forward at a Billy Graham Crusade.[6] Despite this public profession of faith, Mr. Norris fails to recant neither his New Thought/Mind-Science techniques nor the core philosophies of the martial arts—teachings and practices that are completely incompatible with true Christianity.[7] Also troubling is an underlying “might makes right” attitude inherent in the fighting arts. On page 30, Mr. Norris records this story:

The ambushers beat him up badly [an Air Force policeman] and robbed him. [He] was a black belt in tang soo do. When the slicky boys found this out, they were so horrified at the potential reprisal they might suffer, they printed an apology in the local paper. It did them no good. When somebody messes with one black belt, he or she is challenging the whole organization. One of our members tracked down several of the attackers. He killed one and injured two. The police arrested him, and he was sentenced to three years in prison. He was back out on the street in two weeks. The lesson was clear: Mess with one member of our group, and your messing with all.[8]

The Bible says that murder is wrong and that vengeance belongs to the LORD.[9]

On the contrary, Mr. Norris has retained this unbiblical mixture of beliefs and practices and has made them a primary part of his life’s work. I documented his most disturbing belief (and teaching) in my E-booklet:

Forty-four years after his professed conversion, and in between his two autobiographies, Chuck Norris published another book in 1996 entitled: The Secret Power Within: Zen Solutions to Real Problems. This book is a real problem for Christians. The reader discovers the “secret power within” on pages 127-130: “Ki: The Universal Power.” “The fact is that everyone has ki, which is really little more than a technique of visualization allowing one to utilize the internal energy that we all have and letting it flow through the body…”[10]

On page 36 of My Life in “The Way”, I made this observation followed by a probing question:

By now, the Christian reader is rightfully confused regarding the source of Mr. Norris’ “secret inner strength,” and “secret power within.” Has he made the same deleterious leap as Michael Chen and Rev. Jordan in equating the impersonal “ki” force (kundalini power) with the Holy Spirit of the Living God—the third person of the triune godhead? Has he unwittingly become a de facto false teacher of Far Eastern mysticism in woolen garb like this author did before fully repenting—and renouncing the martial arts? Let the evidence speak.

CHUCK NORRIS: HIS ASSOCIATIONS

For there must also be factions among you, in order that those who are approved may have become evident among you

(1 Cor. 11:19)

It has already been established that Mr. Norris’ faith is a heady mix of Christianity, New Thought and Zen Buddhism. A closer inspection reveals that his peculiar brand of Christianity is strictly of the charismatic Word-Faith variety. He has been a motivational speaker for T.D. Jakes Ministries and the Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN),[11] as well as Ed Cole Ministries. He will be a featured speaker at the 2010 Lion’s Roar Global Men’s Summit in Dallas in November,[12] a ministry of the Christian Men’s Network (CMN) begun by the late Cole.[13] Dr. Cole was nurtured under the ministry of Aimee Semple McPherson, becoming an Assemblies of God pastor within two years of his conversion.[14] He later became a men’s motivational lecturer and the inspiration for Promise Keepers.[15] Cole has mentored many influential men including Bill McCartney, John Maxwell, Pat Robertson, Kenneth Copeland, Oliver North, Kong Hee, Sunday Adelaja… and Chuck Norris.[16] Adelaja, a key New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) apostle and 7 Mountain/Sphere Mandate promoter, has led teaching seminars with Norris, ex-New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani and Mel Gibson.[17] Among many Word-Faith notables, Norris will share the Lion’s Roar Summit platform with Mike Hayes, Kong Hee, Brian Houston, Jack Hayford, Eddie Long, Phil Pringle, and Jim Garlow,[18] Christian right activist and chair of Newt Gingrich’s ReAL (Renewing American Leadership).[19]

Norris endorsed Joel Osteen’s 2004 book, Your Best Life Now,[20] and in the introduction to his latest book, Black Belt Patriotism, Mr. Norris commends Rick Warren’s Purpose Driven Life.[21] Mr. Norris received an honorary doctorate from Liberty University in 2008,[22] the same school that hosted the “Awakening 2010 Conference” in April that featured prominent Dominionists,[23] and that invited Mormon Glenn Beck to deliver its 2010 Commencement Address.[24]

Chuck Norris, along with his wife Gena, is also on the Board of Directors of the National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools (NCBCPS),[25] which appears to be a commendable organization until a closer examination is made. The vice president of this council is (Ret.) Col. Jim Ammerman, an apostle in C. Peter Wagner’s International Coalition of Apostles (ICA), a component of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), and personal friend to John Hagee and Kenneth Copeland.[26] Among the luminaries on the NCBCPS Advisory Board, is Janet Folger Porter, the May Day Event organizer who lost her Faith2Action radio program on VCY America after Herescope posted a series of articles exposing her ties to Dominonism.[27] Porter, like Norris, also writes a column for WorldNetDaily.[28]

Also noted is NCBCPS Advisory Board member, David Barton, a patriotic Dominionist and historical revisionist,[29] who has influenced not only the NCBCPS curriculum, but Fox News host Glenn Beck[30] and the Texas State Board of Education.[31] Barton’s version of history is also a prominent feature of Norris’ latest book, Black Belt Patriotism, How To Reawaken America.[32]

Todd DuBord, Chuck Norris’ chaplain (TopKick Productions) and researcher,[33] was interviewed on Wallbuilders Live! (Barton’s radio program) in March of 2009 by Rick Green, a former Texas legislator marked by ethical improprieties who failed an attempt at becoming a Texas Supreme Court Judge in April 2010—despite glowing endorsements from David Barton… and Chuck Norris.[34] In the radio interview, DuBord referred to Black Belt Patriotism as a “Christian Cultural Manifesto,”

…A hardcore look at what our Founders believed and a way to reawaken America and to get back to that vision—very similar to what Wallbuilders is all about. In fact, we [Chuck and Todd] use many, many resources from Wallbuilders and always appreciate your guy’s ministry.[35]

David Barton also has strong ties to former House Speaker, Newt Gingrich, founder of Renewing American Leadership (ReAL),[36] and possible presidential candidate in 2012[37] —who also has a working relationship with Chuck Norris. In 2008, Norris appeared in drilling ads for Gingrich’s American Solutions for Winning the Future campaign.[38] In May, Norris was a featured speaker at the National NRA Convention in Charlotte, N.C., alongside Gingrich, Sarah Palin, U.S. Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., Lt. Col. Oliver North, and Glenn Beck,[39] who frequently features Barton on his TV/radio program[40], and related special events.[41]

Chuck Norris has not only thrown his celebrity behind a famous Word-Faith author (Osteen), a Texas Supreme Court judge hopeful (Rick Green), but also endorsed former Republican Arkansas Governor and Fox News host Mike Huckabee for president in 2007-2008.[42] Incredibly, Huckabee appeared in an ad with money preacher, Kenneth Copeland, in the December 2007 issue of Charisma magazine and spent a week on Copeland’s TV daily broadcast, the Believers Voice of Victory—at the same time that the Senate Finance Committee launched an investigation into the Copelands (and several other multimillion-dollar Word-Faith ministry moguls).[43] Instead of distancing himself from Copeland, Huckabee accepted a $29,000 personal donation from Copeland, held a fundraiser at the Copeland estate raising upwards of $100,000[44] —and even appeared in a live webcast pastor’s conference sponsored by Kenneth Copeland Ministries requesting emergency funds. One report says that following Huckabee’s plea, $111,000 in cash was raised for Huckabee, with an additional unspecified amount given in campaign pledges presumed to be in excess of a million dollars.[45]

As mentioned previously, Chuck Norris is a columnist for WorldNetDaily (WND),[46] a conservative online news source founded by Joseph Farah, a Dominionist sympathizer[47] with radical right views.[48] Farah just re-released his Dominionist-leaning 2005 book, Taking America Back: A Radical Plan to Revive Freedom, Morality, and Justice, as well introducing his latest work, The Tea Party Manifesto: A Vision for an American Rebirth earlier this year.[49] In September, WND and Farah will host the “Taking America Back Convention,” in Miami, FL. Speakers will include author, political commentator, and syndicated columnist Ann Coulter, Rep. Michele Bachmann R-Minn., constitutional lawyer Michael Farris, Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA), Alan Keyes, Christian right political activist, and Bible teacher Chuck Missler (Koinonia House).[50]

CHUCK NORRIS: HIS MISSION

Brethren, join in following my example, and observe those who walk according to the pattern you have in us. For many walk, of whom I often told you, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ, whose end is destruction, whose god is their appetite, and whose glory is in their shame, who set their minds on earthly things. For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior the Lord Jesus Christ 

(Phil. 3:17-20)

Despite the personal notoriety, Chuck Norris considers his life’s mission to be KickStartKids, a martial arts program for at-risk school children that former President H.W. Bush helped him start in 1992.[51] Norris has said, “martial arts training provides them [at-risk children] with the core values and philosophies associated with leading a productive and healthy life…”[52] According to Norris, those “core values and philosophies,” taught in the KickStart program, square with the Bible. “The martial arts is a philosophy that is pretty much the principles in the Bible. Even though we can’t talk about Jesus, we can talk about what Jesus talks about in the Bible—love, loving your neighbor, being good people.”[53]

It has previously been established that the root philosophies and underlying values of the martial arts are completely at odds with the Bible.[54] Nevertheless, Mr. Norris has a vision to establish this program in every school in America, growing his nearly 7,000 students into 24,000,000 and beyond.[55] All the proceeds from Norris’ book sales and projects like his World Combat League, airing on the Versus Channel, go to KickStartKids.[56] In 2009, Norris received the McLane Leadership in Business Award by President Bush Sr., “for his service to America’s youth.”[57] Accepting the award, Norris told the audience, “I’m a product of what martial arts can do for you, it turned my whole life around…It changed a young, insecure, nonathletic kid into a world champion and renowned actor.”[58]

In keeping with his “service to youth,” Chuck Norris and Pastor Todd DuBord wrote The Official Chuck Norris Fact Book in November of 2009.[59] The book (published by Tyndale Publishing) is a compilation of mythical sayings (in the spirit of Paul Bunyan) with inspirational messages woven in—“many of which reintroduce Americans, particularly our youth, to our Founder’s America.”[60] These Chuck Norris “facts” have become an Internet phenomenon, such as “Chuck Norris puts the laughter in manslaughter,” and “There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Oklahoma.” Norris has even become a cult hero among American—and Iraqi forces.[61]

Norris posed the following questions in a March 2009 column posted in WorldNetDaily, “How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And, when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history need to record a second American Revolution?[62] Six months later, Norris wrote a piece entitled: “The Secret Weapon in America’s Revolution.” Here is the “secret weapon”:

I believe young people will play a critical role in reawakening and returning America again to its Founding Father’s vision, ways and principles…I believe there exists a latent power in this particular generation that waits to be awakened and reveal its full potential…I’m not talking about selling them on a partisan platform, but a patriot one (as our Founders had.)… [63]

(This sounds alarmingly like Dominionism’s “New Breed.”)[64] In the Black Belt Patriotism chapter entitled, “Calling All Millennials!,” Norris gives this charge to his younger readers:

We need you to help us reawaken America and rebuild what our Founding Fathers started…If you’re a Millennial, consider this an invitation. We need your help. I need your help to join me and millions of others in a revolution (or, if you will, a rebelution), not to abandon the principles of the past but combine them with social action in the present to build a better tomorrow. In other words, it’s time to make some noise![65]

In the introduction to this book, Chuck Norris makes this statement: “I’ve committed the rest of my life to help Old Glory rise again to her heights of splendor.” He followed his remarks with a visit back to the Alamo (coincidently the same locale for the Patriot Pastor’s Tea Party Rich Scarborough held July 7),[66] proudly detailing the human casualties in this infamous battle. He concluded the historical narrative by saying, “They lost that battle but would provide the inspiration to win the war. Their fighting spirit rallied the new found republic and still does to this day. So when you think all is lost in America, remember the Alamo!”[67]

Human beings were killed in this armed revolution. Is this the kind of “revolution” he has planned for the youth—the Millennials— of America? Decide for yourself. Norris closes this intro with a quote from General Sam Houston, former governor of Texas and leader of the Texas Revolution of 1835.[68]

We view ourselves on the eve of battle. We are nerved for the contest, and must conquer or perish. It is vain to look for present aid: none is at hand. We must now act or abandon all hope! Rally to the standard, and be no longer the scoff of mercenary tongues! Be men, be free men, that your children may bless their father’s name.

ENDNOTES:
1. Scroll down my blog page, http://mylifeintheway.blogspot.com, and click the (pdf) link on the bottom of the page to read my free e-booklet, My Life in “The Way,” From the Broad Way of the East to the Narrow Way of Christ. See Herescope review: http://herescope.blogspot.com/2010/03/my-life-in-way.html
2. My Life in “The Way,” pp. 29-36.
3. Ibid., pg. 29.
4. Ibid. (Note: For an in depth background on New Thought, see Pastor Larry DeBruyn’s excellent article: “Bewitched! Evil Eye Over Evangelicalism,” Discernment Group, http://www.discernment-ministries.org/NL_MarchApril2010.pdf).
5. Laura J. Bagby, “A Powerful Witness: Chuck Norris Gets a Kick out of Life,” http://www.cbn.com/entertainment/screen/bagby_chucknorris_0904.aspx.
6. Carlos Ray Norris, Against All Odds, B & H Publishing Group, Nashville, TN, pp. 22, 29-30.
7. My Life in “The Way,” pg. 30.
8. Against All Odds, pg 30.
9. See: Ex. 20:13; Rom. 12:19.
10. My Life in “The Way,” pg. 31.
11. Chuck Norris official website, http://chucknorris.com/html/biog.html. (Note: For an expose` on T.D. Jakes, see Pastor Larry DeBruyn’s article: “Eroticizing the Eucharist,” Pastor DeBruyn’s website, http://guardinghisflock.com/2010/03/04/eroticizing-the-eucharist-1/).
12. Lions Roar 2010, http://lionsroar.majoringinmen.com/?page_id=21.
13. http://www.lionsroar2010.com/?page_id=46; Black Belt Patriotism, pp. 163-164.
14. Ed Cole Library, http://edcole.org/index.php?fuseaction=edcole.main.
15. Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Louis_Cole.
16. Ed Cole Library, http://www.disciplemen.com/node/829; Black Belt Patriotism, pp. 163-164.
17. Robert Duncan, “Sunday Adelaja: Europe’s Mega-Church Leader,” Spero News, Nov. 1, 2006, http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?idCategory=34&idsub=127&id=6370&t=Sunday+Adelaja%3A+Europe’s+Mega-Church+Leader; Pastor Adelaja’s church website, http://www.godembassy.org/en/news/news_publ.php?search=chuck norris&showdetail=538; http://www.godembassy.org/en/news/news_publ.php?search=chuck norris&showdetail=1160; (Note: to read more on Pastor Adelaja, see Herescope, http://herescope.blogspot.com/2010/05/mainstreaming-dominionism.html).
18. Lions Roar 2010, http://lionsroar.majoringinmen.com/?page_id=21.
19. Herescope, “Mainstreaming Dominionism,” http://herescope.blogspot.com/2010/05/mainstreaming-dominionism.html.
20. Daryl Wingerd, “A Critical review of Your Best Life Now, by Joel Osteen,” http://ccwonline.org/osteen1.html.
21. Chuck Norris, Black Belt Patriotism, Fidelis Books, imprint of B & H Publishing Group, Nashville, TN, 2010, pg. 9.
22. Katherine T. Phan, Christian Post, http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080514/chuck-norris-tells-liberty-univ-grads-to-let-god-direct-steps/index.html.
23. Liberty University website, http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=18495&MID=17574.
24. Glenn Beck website, http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/40278/.
25. NCBCPS website, http://www.bibleinschools.net/About-Us/Board-of-Director-and-Advisors.
26. Talk To Action, Part Two – “Conspiracy as Prophecy,” http://militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/t2a_conspiracy.html; http://www.talk2action.org/printpage/2009/6/3/12516/15056.
27. http://www.crosstalkamerica.com/shows/2010/06/the_gospel_is_more_important_t.php;Herescope, http://herescope.blogspot.com/2010/04/may-day-prayers.html; http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/janet-porter-goes-warpath; (Note: For more info on Dominionism, see Derek Gilbert interview with Sarah Leslie, “VFTB 048-False Christs and False Prophets,” PID Radio, http://www.pidradio.com/?p=875 follow links on page); and Marsha West, “Damnable Heresies Invading the Church,” May 29, 2010, http://www.newswithviews.com/West/marsha197.htm.
28. WND website, http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=46; http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=43&authorId=88&tId=8.
29. NCBCPS website, http://www.bibleinschools.net/About-Us/Board-of-Directors-and-Advisors; http://www.liarsforjesus.com/; Chris Rodda, “Chuck Norris Helps the NCBCPS Spread David Barton’s Lies,” http://www.talk2action.org/story/2007/4/15/04011/4130; Herescope, “Mainstreaming Dominionism,” http://herescope.blogspot.com/2010/05/mainstreaming-dominionism.html.
30. Karl Frisch, “Author debunks butchering of 1809 Adams letter by ‘Christian nationalist pseudo-historian” and Beck,’” http://mediamatters.org/print/blog/201006250036.
31. http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/barton-named-texas-school-board-experts-panel; http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/education/tx_textbook_controversy_030810.
32. Black Belt Patriotism; See extensive footnoting of David Barton: pp. 246, 256- 257, 259, 261, 264, 266.
33. Todd DuBord’s Official website, http://www.nationaltreasures.org/; Black Belt Patriotism, pg. 223.
34. Justin Elliott, “Leading Texas Supreme Court Candidate Has Checkered Ethical Past, Religious-Right Worldview,” http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/meet_rick_green_next_texas_supreme_court_justice.php
“Disaster (Barely) Averted: Rick Green Loses Texas Supreme Court Run-Off,” http://www.rightwingwatch.org/print/5194.
35. Todd DuBord with Rick Green, “Saving Our National Treasures,” Friday, May 08, 2009, Wallbuilder’s Live! Website, http://www.wallbuilderslive.com/archives.asp?d=200905.
36. Dan Gilgoff, “Newt Gingrich Steps Up Efforts to Mobilize Religious Conservatives,” http://politics.usnews.com/news/religion/articles/2009/03/20/newt-gingrich-steps-up-efforts-to-mobilize-religious-conservatives_print.html; Gingrich interviewed by Barton & Green, Mar. 23, 2009, http://www.wallbuilderslive.com/archives.asp?d=200903.
37. Des Moines, IA-AP, July 12, 2010, “Gingrich Calls Obama ‘Disaster,’ Says He’s Weighing 2012 Presidential Bid,” http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/12/gingrich-calls-obama-disaster-says-hes-weighing-presidential-bid/.
38. Noel Sheppard, “Chuck Norris for American Solutions: Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less!”, http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/06/14/chuck-norris-american-solutions-drill-here-drill-now-pay-less
39. Jim Morrill, “NRA convention may draw 70,000 to uptown Charlotte this weekend,”
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/05/12/1430302/70000-expected-at-nra-meet.html
40. David Barton on Glenn Beck, Part 1 of 5, ReAL video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MTLG3_y_Xc; Barton interviewed on Beck’s radio program, http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/39831/.
41. David Barton was scheduled to speak on “faith,” at Beck’s “American Revival” meeting in Salt Lake City July 17; Glenn Beck website, http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/42960/.
42. “Chuck Norris Endorses Mike Huckabee for President,” Oct. 22, 2007, http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,304096,00.html; http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=44234.
43. David Van Biema, “Huckabee Stands By a Televangelist,” http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1684330,00.html; Michelle Vu, “Huckabee Undeterred by Senate Probe of Copeland,” http://www.christianpost.com/article/20071123/huckabee-undeterred-by-senate-probe-of-copeland/index.html
44. “The Huckabee Copeland Connection,” http://thoughtsongod.wordpress.com/2008/02/09/the-huckabee-copeland-connection/.
45. Allie Martin, “Copeland Ministries accused of ‘shady’ Huckabee donation,” Jan. 31, 2008, http://www.onenewsnow.com/Printer.aspx?id-66025.
46. WND Authors & Commentators page, http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=33.
47. A “clear-eyed, Christ-centered Worldview”? June 15, 2006, http://herescope.blogspot.com/2006/06/clear-eyed-christ-centered-worldview.html.
48. Herescope, “R & R Revival and Revolt: The Tea Party’s Strange Bedfellows and What They Believe,” Apr. 22, 2010, http://herescope.blogspot.com/2010/04/r-revival-and-revolt.html.
49. WND bookstore online, http://superstore.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=1755; http://superstore.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=3754.
50. http://www.takingamericaback2010.com/speakers.html.
51. Black Belt Patriotism, pg. 157.
52. Ibid, pp. 157-158.
53. Laura J. Bagby article; (Note: See My Life in “The Way,” pg. 34).
54. My Life in “The Way” (See endnote #1).
55. KickStart Official website, http://www.kick-start.org/chuck.html.
56. Chuck Norris, “Questions I am asked most about martial arts,” WND, http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56560; Meghan Cooke, “Chuck Norris draws long line of admirers,” http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/05/15/1437576/chuck-norris-draws-long-line-of.html.
57. Meredith Stancik, “Chuck Norris Receives Leadership in Business Award,” Mar. 31, 2009, http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/42236757.html.
58. Matt Woolbright, “Martial arts legend speaks about his life, accomplishments,” http://www.thebatt.com/2.8485/bush-presents-chuck-norris-with-award-1.1182956.
59. Todd Dubord’s Official website, http://www.nationaltreasures.org/.
60. Chuck Norris, “The Secret Weapon in America’s Revolution,” http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=33748.
61. Mohammed Abbas, “Norris Gains Cult Status Among Troops,” Mar. 3, 2008, Reuters, http://news.aol.com/story/_a/norris-gains-cult-status-among-troops/20080310090409990001
62. Chuck Norris, “I may run for president of Texas,” March 9, 2009, WND; http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=91103.
63. Chuck Norris, “The Secret Weapon in America’s Revolution,” Sept. 29, 2009, http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=33748.
64. Jewel Grewe, “A New Breed Arising,” Discernment Newsletter, March/April 2009, Vol. 20, No. 2, http://www.discernment-ministries.org/NLMarchApril_2009.htm.
65. Black Belt Patriotism, pp. 156-157.
66. Vision America website, http://www.visionamerica.us/pastors/national-patriot-pastors-tea-party/
67. Black Belt Patriotism, pg. 12.
68. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Houston; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Revolution.
NOTE: Emphases in quoted material may have been added.”

Enough Said – Pringle Reveals All…

13 Sunday May 2012

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Please read Genesis 3 before reading the below blog post by Phil Pringle. Next time someone says ‘Look how fruitful Phil Pringle is’, point them to this article.

Phil Pringle blogs,

Beauty

“Genesis 3:6 “And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes…” God is not just utilitarian. He is also an artist. He creates beauty pleasant to the eyes. Creation not only gives us food and resources for life but beauty for the soul. We cannot afford to underestimate the power of art to feed the soul with beauty. Christians are like trees. Our congregations, churches, music, preaching should be ‘pleasant’ to the eyes, ears and soul of people everywhere. The idea the church should be austere, ascetic is wrong. Hardly anyone remembers Savonarola and his ‘bonfires of the vanities’, but everyone in the world recognises the enduring witness of Michelangelo’s ‘Sistene Chapel’ ceiling and Da Vinci’s ‘Last Supper’ (considered ‘vanities’ by religionists). God’s thumbprint in creation is ‘beauty’, something man can never match! See you in beautiful glorious church!“ – Phil Pringle, Beauty, http://philpringle.com/_blog/Phil_Pringle_Blog/post/Beauty/, 27/10/2009. (Accessed 13/05/2012)

And he got his false doctorate from where again?

NOTE: SCREEN GRAB WAS TAKEN BEFORE 14/05/2012.

Pringle Teaches How To Control & Fleece People

18 Wednesday Apr 2012

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Let the preacher do the talking. We were gob-smacked.

Didn’t people realise Pringle was talking about THEM in his meetings in services like they were in? It was THEM that triggered him to talk about how to manipulate people. (Emphasis mine.)

“You know every meeting I’ve been in, THIS PRESENCE. Like, you guys are at a whole new level. There’s no doubt about it. When we’re looking for extra seats in the night meetings. . . And everybody’s like hair-triggered excited. You go to another level of thirst. Suddenly, THE THIRST OF THE PERSON NEXT TO YOU GETS TO YOU. Now I want to tell you something…” – Phil Pringle, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21UnCWm7eO0&feature=player_detailpage#t=9s, 13/04/2012.

Pringle Says Honour Bevere With Money “To Trigger The Impact of Grace In Your Life”

11 Wednesday Apr 2012

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Pringle says,

“Do you know a transaction takes place the moment you receive spiritual life, one half of it comes into you, one half of the transaction is that truth coming into you, and to activate that truth, I have no doubt about this, that we actually have got to return the same kind of honour, the same kind of impact its had back on us, back to that servant of God. Paul says if I have ministered to you spiritual things its a small matter that you would minister to me in in natural things carnal things like money, he says its a comparison though, the comparison is is is very hard to make he says between a spiritual quality and a natural thing, but he says the reason that that transaction has to happen is for it to trigger the impact of grace in your life, to trigger the impact of this message in your life, ’cause we can hear it and go away with information, or else we can go out of this place with a revelation that’s deep in our spirit, and one of the ways we make that happen is by blessing the vessel that its come to us through.” – Phil Pringle, C3 Oxford Falls, (1:05), 08/04/2012.

Pringle says we should give money to a leader to “trigger the impact of grace” in our lives. How is that grace? Isn’t this buying ‘grace’? In response to Pringle’s love offering sermon, Pastor Gervase Charmley gave this response:

I am tempted to imitate Martyn Lloyd-Jones at this point and reply with the word “rubbish!” *I am quite certain that is what he would have said reading this. What we have here is an example of a false conclusion, or rather a text dragged in and misapplied to give apparent support to that which is unsupported. The ‘transaction’ Pringle is teaching is no-where found in the Scriptures, it is an invention of man. It is not even based on an actual Bible text, but a mis-quotation of Romans 15:27, which is in fact talking about helping poor Christians in Jerusalem. These poor Christians belonged to the Jewish Church which first sent out the Gospel to the Gentiles, and therefore made those Gentiles “partakers of their spiritual things”. Now that those Christians were suffering poverty and need, it was only right that the Gentiles should “minister to them in material things.” The text is not even saying what Pringle says it does!

Now, in 1 Corinthians 9:11 (which Pringle seems to have conflated with the Romans passage in his mind), Paul does say, “If we have sown spiritual things for you, is it a great thing if we reap your material things?” This is part of an extended section in which Paul is talking about is the undoubted responsibility of the Church to support the ministry of the word (in a reasonable and proportionate way; no man ever got rich by being a Baptist Pastor, as I have often said, and that is how it should be, says he who is a Baptist pastor). It is notable that there he does not talk about missed blessings, or anything in any way corresponding to the idea that we have to so give “to trigger the impact of grace.” Indeed, for Paul to say that we have to do such a thing would be utterly repugnant. Grace is God’s initiative, it not something we have to ‘trigger’ in its impact or anything else. You will look in vain for such an idea in 1 Corinthians 9, which is merely an exhortation for the Church to support the ministry of the word.

The majority of what is being said is, I am afraid, best described by Shakespeare, “Like a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” It is merely a way to try to get people to give more money, by promising that if they do they will receive a special revelation. To return to the Doctor, “Rubbish!”

Pringle See Pringle Do – C3 Egging The Community With Marketing Ploys

07 Saturday Apr 2012

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Jesus said “seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness” (Matt 6:33) and NOT, “seek first 30, 000 easter eggs.” C3 Church came up with an ‘innovative’ way to market and celebrate Christmas this year at their church. Their website advertised an ‘Easter Egg Chopper Drop’.

The C3 Church had attached to the central picture a link to this pdf.

DL-Postcard-e-invite

This only goes to show that Phil Pringle and the C3 Movement have converted to Furtickism. This Easter Egg Chopper Drop is not innovative at all. This concept was originally Steven Furtick’s idea. Furtick writes,

“They laughed at us.
Almost everybody did.
The ones who didn’t laugh in our face must have been laughing behind our backs.

And with good reason, mind you.
We were laughing too.
It was a dumb idea, and it shouldn’t have worked.
But it did work.

Last Easter, with a fledgling 2 month old congregation of about 200, we pulled off an Easter event that made headlines.
It involved 50,000 Easter Eggs falling from the sky and thousands of dollars in prizes.
2,500 people showed up.
No one went to the hospital.
No drunk moms pulled each other’s hair out fighting over the prize winning eggs.
And we made a statement to our community:
We’re here to play ball. Happy Easter Charlotte.

We’re going to do it again this year.
The 2nd Annual Elevation Egg Drop.
Bigger and better than before.
You wait and see.

BONUS: This year, we’ve already heard of at least a dozen other churches who are going to do the event in their own cities.
We’ve been able to help many of them.
That makes me thankful.
Thankful that our stupidity is contagious and is going to help lots of other churches reach their communities with their unique (and hopefully better) versions of this Easter Egg Hunt on steroids.

I remember more than one pastor telling me what an unwise move it was.
It had never been done before, and it could flop.

True, but it could also not flop. It could be a monster success, and possibly even catch on all over the country.

Don’t you think every mammoth concept was downright laughable until it was a reality?
Inherent in any vision that has the possibility of really taking off is the possibility of really tanking, right?

Do you even think that maybe if people aren’t laughing at your ideas, you aren’t dreaming big enough?

Abraham and Sarah laughed at God’s idea.
Not a good move, guys.
But understandable.

When you think you have a good idea, and the people you trust are behind it, and you believe the best you can that God is the author of it…
Let people laugh.
Laugh along with ‘em.
And go for it.

The more the idea makes you laugh, the better the chance it’s from God.

If it fails, laugh even harder and learn something from it.
(By the way, the more expensive the failure, the more you’d better learn.)

If it succeeds, laugh at that too.
Because you know that without the blessing of God you would truly be a laughingstock.

Bottom line:
If it isn’t worth laughing at, is it really worth doing?” – Steven Furtick, http://www.stevenfurtick.com/elevation/let-%E2%80%98em-laugh/, 23/03/2007.

C3 said in their pdf,

“Come and watch as 30,000 chocolate eggs shower down from a helicopter and then hunt them down yourself!”

How much do 30,000 easter eggs cost? And how much would hiring a helicopter be? While people are celebrating this expensive ‘easter event’, remember who is paying for it: the vulnerable, poor and desperate through Pringle’s false teaching. We know he teaches that God wants to bless people financially if they give sacrificially or give money to him to unlock their financial miracle. (See archives)

So why is C3 Church doing this then? This is simply another form of advertising for Phil Pringle’s Presence Conference.

In relation to this advert, another add pops up on the myc3church.net. A massive advert for John bevere attending the C3 Oxford Falls easter services.

They also mention him in their chopper drop flyer,

“Join us for our 10am EASTER SUNDAY service, with guest speaker John Bevere.”

C3 is giving platform to a gnostic teacher who preaches a different gospel. They are rebelling against God’s Word where God says,

“Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.” 2 John 1:9-11

Read about this dangerous teacher in these articles below:

Is The Presence Conference Inviting Dishonest Men To Take Advantage of People?

What’s So Severe About Bevere?

Again, we must ask why C3 is continually promoting these delusional cult-like speakers through their manipulative marketing techniques. Why do they want to be associated with these cult-like messiahs and ‘anointed ones’ who preach false messages and gospels?