Credit goes to C3CW for getting me access to the footage from Presence Conference 2012. Cheers.
[I apologise in advance for the occasional skipping. Its a little bit of a rough edit, but everything’s there.]
Here is my next review on the C3 Church movement. The theme of this review is ‘the price of a human soul’. I review Andrew Kubala’s statements at Presence Conference 2012, namely, that we can sow a financial ‘seed’ offering for the salvation of our loved ones. I point out that no amount of money can buy salvation, and that the redemptive price of a human soul is the blood of Jesus Christ ALONE shed on the cross. It is ONLY by Christ’s sacrifice that sinners are saved; this one offering accomplished salvation once for all and is never to be repeated.
Please share this video with anyone you know who attends a C3 Church affiliated with Phil Pringle or Andrew Kubala, especially if they attended this year’s Presence Conference 2012 (April 10-13, Darling Harbour Convention Centre, Sydney)
“Immediately afterwards when that happens, when Warragamba Dam does spill over, that’s the time that the Lord will bring a fresh new move of the Holy Spirit all around Australia. And we’ll see a move of God like we have not seen before”. (Emphasis mine)
In Part 1, we encourage you to watch Pringle prophesy at the C3 Church at Oxford Falls, how revival was going to hit the building. In Part 4 we analysed the prophecy itself. In this final article, we will be looking to see if the prophecy was fulfilled at C3 Church Oxford Falls.
In looking at the above quote, when Warragamba Dam was reported full, was revival immediate? On the 4th of March 2012, Pringle preached a message titled Heartbeat – Servanthood. Their uploaded video showed us… There was no revival at the C3 Service. There is a LOT of seats behind Pringle.
In that night time service on the 4th of March 2012, Mark Kelsey preached a message titled Heartbeat – Servanthood. C3’s uploaded video showed us… There was no revival. Drat!
The following Sunday morning (11/03/2012), Pringle preached a sermon titled the The Engine Room. Was their a revival? Were there queues outside wanting to come into the house of God?
What about that night service on the same day (11/03/2012)? Pringle preached a similar sermon with the same name: The Engine Room.
For Philip Day’s Saturday night session ‘Let there be light‘ (17/04/2012), it looked as though C3 disabled the camera that gave us the shots we needed to see the audience. But the next day on the 18th, while Peter Paauwe preached Breakthrough Part1, we saw… No revival. Empty seats lay scattered around the room. (Note them in the foreground and at the back of the room.)
By now, this prophecy is already looking ridiculous. But just in case someone justifies from C3, “God’s ways are not our ways’, we must continue. Maybe, God was going to move that night? Nope.
By this stage you may be thinking this is tedious. But we have to do this. Either God is going to bring a national revival through C3 or Phil Pringle is a false prophet. The following week on the Sunday morning, 25th of March, Pringle preached a sermon titled ‘The Engine Room: Connect’.
C3 didn’t upload a sermon that night. But we figured if their was a revival in that meeting, they would have definitely filmed it to prove to every other church that their church was the one with God’s blessing. The following week on Sunday morning 1st of April 2012, the joke was on C3 as Pringle preached ‘The Engine Room: Revive’. There was still NO revival.
That night while Pringle preached another sermon, seats were still empty (see them in the background).
A month has passed and Presence Conference is about to hit C3… Was God going to show up at C3 Church so Presence could experience revival? It seems logical that if God was going to move, it would be before the before Presence Conference. Why? So the international audience can bring back ‘God’ to their country God.
This would fulfill the prophecy of Pringle because God told him when the Warragamba Dam floods, it wasn’t just C3 church and all of Australia that were to experience revival. It was going to be a global revival. So when John Bevere spoke on Resurrection Sunday morning… was… there… revival? (Look at all the empty seats behind Pringle.)
But maybe God DID move after Presence Conference? If you’ve seen footage from the Presence Conference scattered around C3 Church Watch, you know revival did not turn up. If revival broke out at C3 Presence Conference in Darling Harbour – then God would contradict himself in the prophecy as mentioned in Part 4.
So was there going to be revival AFTER the Presence Conference? Steven Furtick preached that Sunday morning (15/04/2012), a message titled ‘Stay Behind The Guide’. You can see empty seats straight at the back of the auditorium.
No. While the room is dark and smokey, if you look to the seat at back of the room, they are empty. More seats remained empty the following Sunday in Mark Kelsey’s sermon on the 29th of April. There was no revival.
When Mark Kelsey got up the following week to speak Sunday morning on the 20/05/2012, there was no revival.
However, he had this to say to the congregation in the giving message. Was he saying this because people were feeling cheated from Pringle’s false prophecy?
“I don’t know about you but I get frustrated sometimes. We have got one of the greatest churches in the world, one of the greatest worship teams. We’ve definitely got the greatest pastor in the world. We’ve got the greatest pastoral team. The greatest connect leaders, what have you. We’ve been given Christ. We have the bible. We have the New Testament. We have the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. And yet people sit there and go, “Yeah well. It’s not quite enough is it? You know we gotta…”.” – Mark Kelsey, Justin Richards, 35:47-36:19, http://www2.myc3church.net/videos/justin-richards, Night Service, 20/05/2012. (Accessed 11/06/2012.)
Of course it’s not enough Mark Kelsey. Didn’t you hear what the “greatest pastor in the world” prophesied? Didn’t you hear yourself say “I get frustrated sometimes”? Why is Mark Kelsey chastising the sheep in his congregation when it is his prophet that prophesied falsely that revival was going to come?
Then on the 3rd of June, Pringle gave his morning money fleecing sermon, where revival still remained absent. Ironic that Josh Kelsey made the claim of Phil Pringle “We have the best leader in the world” (23:25), when this was the video camera shot that followed:
In the continuation of Pringle’s groom-a-thon that night, the storm of revival did not turn up.
C3 said the dam overflowed on the 3rd of March. We have recorded the ‘spiritual’ status of each Sunday service to the 3rd of June. This is a three month period.
It is safe to say that:
God DID NOT say, ““Immediately afterwards when that happens, when Warragamba Dam does spill over, that’s the time that the Lord will bring a fresh new move of the Holy Spirit all around Australia”
God DID NOT say, “Watch me. That thing is going to overflow. And as it overflows, a revival is going to come through the nation.”
God DID NOT say, “the power of God is gonna touch this city with revival”.
God DID NOT say, “the Spirit of God is gonna fall on this nation”.
God DID NOT say, “the power of God is gonna pour down out of heaven”.
God DID NOT say, “If you will build my house, if you will commit yourselves and not give yourselves comfort but will build the house, I will fill this place with my glory”.
God DID NOT say, “these [c3 church] seats will be full!”
God DID NOT say, “Every service you come, you will queue in line to be in the house of God”.
This prophecy is a lie. A scam. We have thoroughly examined in all five articles that Phil Pringle prophesied falsely. There is no escape room for Pringle.
Not only did he mislead his entire church, he mislead thousands of Christians around Sydney. Not only did he also mislead thousands of Christians around Sydney but also across Australia. Not only did he deceive thousands of Christians across Australia, he also mislead thousands of Christians across the world who attended his Presence Conference 2012 and watched him falsely prophesy online.
To recap all that we’ve explored in this series of articles, in:
Part 1 – we looked at how C3 purposely distorted information at their Sydney Presence Conference, taking snippets and screen grabs fromNews Articles and blogs to portray the world as wrong and Phil Pringle as some Godly prophet.
Part 2 – we looked at how C3 and Pringle mislead people to believe that God used Pringle against media and ‘false prophets’ to prophesy that the Warragamba Dam would be full again. We examined how C3 and Pringle used this prophecy twice to advertise and elevate their movement to Christians and churches locally and globally. We explored that it was highly likely that Pringle prophesied out of reaction against those he dislikes and pride.
Part 3 – we looked at Pringle’s further insight to his Warragamba Dam prophecy to help us understand the actual prophecy itself and what he thought this meant. He informed us that C3 met the conditions God said through him so C3 can experience revival.
Part 4 – we analysed the Warragamba Dam prophecy and proved it to be false.
Part 5 – we examined every service for three months to see if revival would break out “immediately”. This was from the time Warragamba Dam overflowed (03/03/2012) to June (03/06/2012). We have proven that the prophecy has not come to pass with it’s promise of a revival.
The right thing for Pringle to do is to humble himself, apologize and step down, admitting he has done Christianity a massive disservice. How many Christians will have their faith shaken or shipwrecked because C3 convinced them to put their faith and hope in the words of a false prophecy?
We would like to know if any information in our articles is wrong. If you find any information that is misleading in our investigation of Phil Pringle’s false Warragambe Dam prophecy, please Contact us at email@example.com.
Christian McCudden welcomed Andrew Kubala to give this offering talk at Presence Conference 2012 13/04/2012. Kubala teaches that people can give money so that their friends and family can get saved. The context of this sermon is just before Phil Pringle’s ‘Miracle’ event where these miracles will be taking place. It is safe to say that the way Andrew Kubala used emotion, handled the scriptures, used the easter message and John 3:16, is disgraceful.
[(22/04/2012) Edit: We would also like to highlight that Pringle defines giving and payment this way:
“Giving is giving-period. Paying people for work they do for you is not giving. Putting something into someone’s hands with conditions attached is not giving. Loaning to someone is not giving.
Giving is completely relinquishing control of something of yours into the control of another person to do with as he pleases.” – Phil Pringle, Keys To Financial Excellence, 2003, pg. 4]
Here is a video teaching Christians should be paying for people’s salvation. The transcript is below. Click the time links on the transcript to be taken to YouTube to see the exact time Kubala says what he says.
(0:24)“Amen! C’mon lets give Jesus a big big clap for what He’s doing in this church! Amen? You know I just, just feel so honoured just to even just receive the offering. Cos I was just thinking about Easter.
Easter just feels like a long time away. Don’t you reckon? It’s like- just last week. It already feels like another year’s gone by. This Easter, I felt really challenged in church.
It’s one of my first times, like in the last ten years, the first time I actually hoped in church at Easter time. And just being able to be apart of Easter. And it was just a great moment. Thinking about what Jesus did on that cross really impacted me as an evangelist and as a Christian. The whole thought that Jesus died so we can have a relationship with Him, our friends and our family.
(01:31) I don’t know here, but is there anybody here with an unsaved dad or a mum? Lift your hands.
Anybody here with an unsaved son or a daughter who’s fallen away? All these hands lifted up. You know, Jesus died so that they can come and have a relationship with Him. So they can experience salvation.
(01:52) You know it says in John 3:16 that, ‘For God so loved the world that He sent His only Son’… Dad sent an offering.
Jesus said, ‘unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground, it only remains a single seed’, talking about His life being-that-seed. [Gets emotional] See the less I fall, (a seed with purpose, a seed- with PURPOSE), the dad would send His son for a purpose for your dad, for your mum, for your son, for your daughter – a purpose, Jesus saying, ‘UNLESS I DIE, UNLESS THIS SEED FALLS TO THE GROUND AS AN OFFERING, salvation’s not going to come. I’ll pay the price for my son, for your son, for your daughter’.
He did it. At Easter. On that cross. The greatest offering of all time was made on that day- We’re about to step into the miraculous. This whole session is about miracles. The greatest miracle EVER is where somebody makes a decision for Christ. Who believes that today? Give God a big shout. [Crowd applauds] C’mon! Give God a shout if you believe that for your son, your daughter.
(03:35) I was at bible college nineteen years old, bought up a Catholic all of my life. Got saved in a Presbyterian church. I didn’t know about offerings. I remember when I was at bible college- by the way bible college is potentially the greatest place you can possibly be. I remember STEALING the chapel key and grabbing my sleeping bag and sleeping in the chapel because I wanted to be in the presence of the Lord.
God spoke to me this one time in our session, about giving one thousand dollars away. I thought, ‘How could the devil get into bible college?’. Why would God want me to give a thousand dollars?
(04:16) I’m Catholic- saved in a Presbyterian church. I didn’t know what it was about.
But you know what? I thought, ‘God if you want me to do this thing, I’ll do it’. And God a few months later, at bible college said, ‘I want you to give another thousand’. I remember shaking as I wrote out the cheque. Nineteen. A teenager.
Then again. ‘Do it again.’
Does God ask us to give more than once? [Nods ‘yes’.] Do it again. [Points to audience] Do it again.
Six times. Six thousand dollars.
Here I am, a little youth pastor in Gore, with thirty kids. Half time. Half time driving race horses at four o’clock in the morning, minus ten degree frosts. My hands were so frozen after forty minutes going around this stupid track, round and round and round. This stupid race horse.
Has anyone complained to God? [Raises hand] I was in my youth pastors office with my swivel chair, going round how many times can I go around in one section. I thought, ‘No. This isn’t going to work’.
(05:26) I remember praying, ‘God. How come I haven’t received an offering? How come God, you haven’t looked after me? Why do I have to drive race horses, look after thirty young people in Gore when YOU SAID You are no man’s debter?’ It’s good to quote scripture back to Him. He likes that.
Has anybody had a burning bush moment, when you know beyond your knowing that God’s there?
(05:58) I literally saw a cloud, like a fog come into my room. I bowed down on my knees and started weeping. And the Lord spoke to me. It’s one of my first times God spoke to me. He says, ‘What would you rather? Money or souls?’
I was thinking, ‘How much money?’
Unfortunately for me, I’ve read the bible – I knew the right answer and said, ‘Lord give me souls’. That was the year that our youth ministry became the largest ministry in New Zealand. It went from thirty to over two hundred and fifty in twelve months, twenty years ago.
For fourteen years, we had the largest youth ministry in our nation. People w’ask me, ‘What was the secret?’ I’d say, ‘I don’t know. But my bible says if you’re faithful in the small, he’ll give you much’. You know at- we’re at love Love Sydney, my brother came – Cos I’m the youngest of eight in my family. I’ve got a lot of souls to be saved – my brother came.
(07:12) Pastor Phil was speaking. Gave one of the best offer- uh- altar calls you’ve ever heard. My brother comes down to the front and gives his life to Christ. Six weeks ago he was diagnosed with cancer. And has bladder and has prostate.
Came to visit him in his hospital bed. And uh- it’s all doom and gloom. Everybody was really depressed. And his friend who’s a school teacher, who is a witch – an actual witch, was in the room with him.
And we’re playing cards, trying to be polite. You know, doing… And I said, ‘I better pray for you’. And she starts manifesting and swearing. And I said, ‘you can leave if you want to’. And she said, ‘No. I’ll stay.’ I said, ‘Well that’s fine’. For greater is He who is in me. C’mon somebody! [Crowd applauds] You see He lives in you.
And we began to pray and my brother looked up and said everything’s going to be fine.
Out of your mouth! I said, ‘That’s exactly true’. That’s what’s going to happen. Two days later they did the exploratory operation to find out what they need to cut away. The report comes back. All the cancers gone. [Crowd applauds] Can’t find the cancer.
(08:25) C’mon somebody! C’mon somebody! He’s REAL! HE’S REAL! THE SALVATION OF YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY IS REAL! This is not a game! And this is not a dress rehearsal! This is a ONE SHOT to do SOMETHING great for Him! [Pastors: C’mon!] And my bible says, ‘Unless a kernel of wheat FALLS to the ground, it remains a single seed’.
(08:53) And I believe we can sow a seed with PURPOSE for the SALVATION of YOUR dad, YOUR mum, YOUR son and YOUR daughter! WHEN is the last time- ASK THE QUESTION to yourself, (NOT for you! Or YOUR miracle) but for the SALVATION of your family: When’s the last time you sowed a seed?
One of the pastors said to me- I was telling them about it last night, cos I’ve been thinking about this for a whole year- they said, ‘How much should you give?’. And I said, ‘You’ve got to pray and ask the [raises hand to heaven] Lord of the Harvest: How much?’
When you pray, God will tell you.
(9:37) You know what I felt convicted Pastor Phil? This is what the Lord said to me. He said ‘you’re a miss Andrew when you give (and hear me), when you give more in a building fund than you would as a pastor for souls’. Pastors, when’s the last time you sowed a seed for your church? For the salvation of your family? Where’s the last time you got extravagance and said, ‘You know what I’m gonna do? A hundred thousand dollars. Cos my church needs salvation.
Jesus (and I’m finishing) said, ‘I’m gonna go to the cross. I’m the seed’.
And I want every person to grab your husbands, wives hand and we’re gonna pray. And I’m believing today in this next session… We’re going to believe right now for the salvation of your dad, your mum. C’mon ‘n close your eyes and ask the Holy Spirit, ‘What should I give’. ‘What should I give?’ And I’m telling you, God will talk to you just like that.
(11:06) But you know what? The devil doesn’t want you to sow a seed today. He doesn’t want change to take place. He doesn’t want a miracle to take place in your family. Don’t listen to the devil today. Listen to God. Listen to the Holy Spirit.
Jesus we love you. We thank you today for the salvation of our churches. We thank you Lord that this place is going to be filled with revival. We’re gonna hear stories how in our churches it’s doubled. It’s tripled. The salvations have come in.
(11:37) We’re planting a seed in precious soil today, believing Lord for families that seem impossible, is going to be possible. In Jesus name. Amen. Amen.
You know we’ve got an offering slip on your seat. I want every person to give something today.
(11:50) I can’t think how you’ll not give something to see a family member or friend saved. Let’s believe God, amen? Thanks Christian [McCudden].”