Here is Phil Pringle supposedly prophesying on behalf of God at Presence Conference 2015. We know he reads our site. So we assume he is aware that we have exposed his false prophecies in the past.
We wonder if this is why his prophecy is so vague and absurd:
That wasn’t staged at all, was it? And that didn’t sound like an advert for Empowered 21 did it, with their focus also being on a second Pentecost, right?
This from the Empowered 21 website:
The Jerusalem 2015 Global Congress is a call to all believers from around the world to celebrate Pentecost in the land of Pentecost. The event will attract Spirit-empowered Christians from every continent to Jerusalem during the week of Pentecost to unite in faith for a fresh outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
Spirit-empowered speakers include: Heath Adamson, national youth director for the Assemblies of God; Edwin Alvarez, founder and head pastor of Comunidad Apostolica Hosanna; Sol Arledge, Chief Operating Officer for the Assemblies of God; Dennis Balcombe, reverend of Revival Chinese Ministries International; Doug Beacham, presiding bishop of the International Pentecostal Holiness Church; Reinhard Bonnke, founder of Christ for All Nations; Jürgen Bühler, executive director of the International Christian Embassy Jerusalem; Omar Cabrera, Jr., senior pastor and president of Vision de Futuro; Christine Caine, co-founder of the A21 Campaign; Morris Cerullo, founder Morris Cerullo World Evangelism; Ishmael Charles, bishop of the International Worship Center; Frank Chikane, president of Apostolic Faith Mission International; Anna Christiansen, co-founder of New Generation; Martin Clarke, founder of The Martin Clarke Group; Dave Donaldson, co-founder and director of global partnerships for Convoy of Hope; Cris Doornbos, CEO of David C Cook; Craig Dunnagan, senior vice president of music publishing and resource development for Integrity Media; Ingolf Ellssel, honorary chairman of the Pentecostal European Movement; Mark Entzminger, senior director for the Assemblies of God Children’s Ministries; Jeff Farmer, chair of the Pentecostal/ Charismatic Churches of North America; David Ferguson, author and developer of the Intimacy Therapy Model at Intimate Life Ministries; Becky Fischer, founder and director of Kids in Ministry International; John Francis, founder and pastor of Ruach City Church; Jentezen Franklin, senior pastor of Free Chapel; Claudio Freidzon, pastor of Rey de Reyes Church; Alton Garrison, assistant general superintendent for the Assemblies of God; Faytene Grasseschi, director of TheCRY Movement; Mart Green, founder of Mardel Christian and Education; Prince Guneratnam, chairman of Pentecostal World Fellowship; Tom Hess, pastor and president of Jerusalem House of Prayer for All Nations; Marilyn Hickey, founder of Marilyn Hickey Ministries; Wayne Hilsden, senior pastor of King of Kings Community Jerusalem; Al Hollingsworth, co-founder of BOSS Global Inc.; Larry Huch, founder and senior pastor of New Beginnings Church; Cindy Jacobs, co-founder of Generals International; Lawrence Khong, senior pastor of Faith Community Baptist Church; Daniel Kolenda, president and CEO of Christ for All Nations; Dennis Lindsay, president and CEO of Christ for the Nations; Ron Luce, founder of Teen Mania Ministries; Cash Luna, founder and senior pastor of Casa de Dios; Avi Mizrachi, executive director of Dugit Messianic Outreach Center; Chadwick Mohan, lead pastor of New Life Assembles of God; Tom Newman, founder and president of Impact Productions; Igor Nikitin, director of TBN Russia and TBN Shalom; Niko Njotorahardjo, senior pastor of Gereja Bethel Indonesia; Jerome Ocampo, co-founder of Jesus Revolution Now!; Opoku Onyinah, president of the Ghana Pentecostal and Charismatic Council; Phil Pringle, founder and president of C3 Church International; Ray Ramirez, creative director of the International Christian Embassy Jerusalem; Marcel Rebiai, director of The Community of Reconciliation; Gordon Robertson, CEO of the Christian Broadcasting Network; Samuel Rodríguez, Jr., president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference; Tim Ross, executive pastor of Gateway Church; Jack Sara, president of Bethlehem Bible College; Tim Smith, chief development officer of The Museum of the Bible; Gail Stathis, vice president and co-founder of EME Ministries; Robert Stearns, founder and executive director of Eagles¹ Wings; Steve Strang, CEO of Charisma Media; Greg Surratt, founding pastor of Seacoast Church; David Swarr, president and CEO of Davar Partners International; Vinson Synan, dean emeritus of the School of Divinity at Regent University; Tommy Tenney, founder of the God Chasers Network; David Wells, general superintendent of the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada; Mark Williams, general overseer of the Church of God; Billy Wilson, president and global co-chair of Empowered21 as well as president of Oral Roberts University; Scott Wilson, senior pastor of Oaks Fellowship; George O. Wood, global co-chair of Empowered21, general superintendent for the Assemblies of God and chairman of the World Assemblies of God Fellowship; Amos Yong, professor of theology and missions at Fuller Theological Seminary.
Source: EMPOWERED21 ANNOUNCES MORE THAN 100 SPIRIT-EMPOWERED LEADERS TO SPEAK AT JERUSALEM 2015 GLOBAL CONGRESS, Empowerd 21, http://empowered21.com/2015/02/empowered21-announces-more-than-100-spirit-empowered-leaders-to-speak-at-jerusalem-2015-global-congress/, Accessed 11/06/2015.
Chris Rosebrough reviews another sermon from Phil Pringle of Christian City Church (C3 Church). What’s breath-taking about this review was how Phil Pringle took one biblical text and used it as an infomercial for his Presence Conference. And of even greater concern, we have Phil Pringle sharing his “angelic experiences” and what he heard God say about Phil Pringle’s heavenly-appointed Presence Conference. The gross manipulation did not stop there. Chris Rosebrough pointed out this creepy comment made by Phil Pringle:
“And I share that with you because you got- you need to know that when we read the Bible – like just what we read- that was an angel leading Ezekiel deeper and deeper.
And there are angels who want to take you and lead you deeper and deeper. And if we can follow that- And if you can think of me maybe – just now – as that angel, measuring out 1500 metres for you to walk to get knee deep and then another 1500 – c’mon! Let’s go a little deeper.
C’mon! Let’s go all the way – for your sake. We’re not going to lead you into things that’ll hurt ya – that are bad for ya or that kind of thing. We only have your best interest and the Kingdom of God in our hearts. And one thing that we are desperate for is not just for every individual here to get blessed but our whole church to be blessed. And our whole movement around the world – C3 Global – to get touched and empowered for a whole new day, to go to a whole new level in Jesus’ name.“
Source: Phil Pringle, Awakening 2, My C3 Church, “Awakening – Part 2” – Phil Pringle, http://www2.myc3church.net/videos/awakening-%E2%80%93-part-2-phil-pringle, 60:50-61:45, 14/04/2013 PM.
Click the link below to hear the sermon review at 1:10:45 mark….
HOW IS KONG HEE GAINING FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR HIS LEGAL DEFENSE?
Through the audio we have collected, Pringle has clearly demonstrated how Kong Hee has worked around new Singaporean legislation to solicit financial support for his lawyers and travelling expenses. Please note that the audios, videos or transcripts below may be copied and freely distributed.
PRINGLE MISLEADING THE GENERAL PUBLIC OVER KONG HEE
Since the investigations started back in 2010, it appears Phil Pringle has neglected to inform his church why Kong Hee is under investigation and why Kong Hee is currently in the courts. We are aware that some C3 church leaders do not know why Kong is being investigated, or why he is in court. We have found that if you ask C3 leaders or members what they know about Kong Hee’s case, they will often say that Phil Pringle is defending Kong Hee. However, they often also insist that they know nothing about Kong Hee’s situation, and that they do not feel the need to investigate the ‘pastor’ their leader is defending.
We have recordings of Phil Pringle ostensibly suppressing the serious nature of this scandal to his congregation in his church meetings. In one particular update, Pringle associated the persecutions of Kong Hee to the persecutions of the Apostle Paul. However, the issues could not be more opposite.
It appears to be convenient for Pringle that his church and his leaders do not know what actually transpired in relation to Kong Hee and the City Harvest Church scandal. Why does it seem so necessary for Pringle to try and suppress the details of the case to the thousands of Christians around the world who attend or tune in online to his Conferences?
In 2013, Phil Pringle asked uninformed Christians attending his Global C3 Presence Conference to give sacrificially to financially support Kong Hee’s legal case. Not once was it explained to those who attended why Kong Hee was under investigation.
Here is what Phil Pringle said:
“I would like you just to take a card, an envelope if you’ve got one nearby. And if you’d like to participate in this, I’d like you to consider doing that. Whatever you can do it would be helpful, I know, to them. This will all go completely to Pastor Kong to help with his- costs. He has to pay this week $680,000 I think it is, for his legal fees. He’s covering his whole team’s fees. They have to mount a vigorous defense over three years. Those numbers weigh heavily on- on a person and they have prohibited him from asking his own congregation for any help.
He cannot use any of his own church funds. They’ve sold their – they sold the unit they were in. Others have moved to help them in other countries and I would like to think that we can be friends to these people in one of their darkest hours.” – Phil Pringle, http://www.youtube.com/watch? &v=2g-BB9BF7xk , Presence Conference 2013.
This is not the first time Pringle has failed to inform thousands of Christians about the details of ongoing investigations of Kong Hee and his associates from City Harvest Church. At the Presence Conference 2011, Phil Pringle prophesied over Kong Hee and then encouraged all the churches gathered to financially support Kong Hee. While encouraging people to give, take note of what Pringle says:
“Then, I think it was even more for him. I can’t remember the figures. But I know that for- they had to raise seven million dollars for members of staff and others to travel. That’s just that area. If you’ve ever been to Singapore, you know how expensive this place is. To fight the case he has had to employ a legal firm. And I know what the bills are. They are nearly a million dollars each time they come. Between half a million and a million dollars each time those bills come. His church is not allowed to pay one cent of his personal cost that he is incurring in this battle. He has to find it himself.
He’s sold his house. He has scratched together everything he can. One of the things that I’m doing is going there. I’ve made a commitment to be there once every two weeks. Normally it ends up being once every three weeks because of a variety of commitments that I’ve already got and doing things. But when I’m gone, he’s able to travel. And when I’m there, he’s able to travel and preach and find support amongst Asia and other churches.
Uh- I know that he was finding it hard to put some money together to get a cup of Starbucks at one stage. And uh- it’s a challenge. There’s been new legislation passed on the use of commercial spaces in Singapore since this case has come. So the religio- the restriction on his church is severe, ah, in that area [inaudible] after their purchase, go into co-ownership with ah, SunTec. And we’re in there. I will be speaking there in a couple days time. I will be on Friday to speak there happily.” – Phil Pringle, http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=uwNignarJCg, Presence Conference 2011.
From the above quotes, what can we ascertain from Pringle’s own words?
1. CHC has to “raise seven million dollars for members of staff and others to travel”. Why?
2. Pringle knows that for Kong Hee “To fight the case he has had to employ a legal firm” that cost “nearly a million dollars each time they come”.
3. Pringle acknowledges that “There’s been new legislation passed on the use of commercial spaces in Singapore since this case has come. So the… restriction on his church is severe “.
4. Pringle concludes that the financial issues Kong Hee faces, ” have prohibited him from asking his own congregation for any help” and that he “cannot use any of his own church funds”.
5. Pringle notes that, “Others have moved to help them in other countries” and that he would like people at the Presence Conference to financially “be friends to these people in one of their darkest hours”.
What “moved others” from “other countries” to support Kong Hee? According to Pringle, it is because:
1. He has “made a commitment to be [at CHC] once every two weeks”. And when Pringle is at CHC, he says Kong Hee is “able to travel and preach and find support amongst Asia and other churches”.
Last year Pringle also stated:
“I was in Singapore last week ah- folks with our good friends Kong and Sun Hee, although they are very rarely there when I am speaking because it gives them a chance to get out amongst the Asian community or various parts around the world and share in churches their burden ‘n what they’re facing and keep support happening and maintain a healthier relationship and communion with the wider body. And so that’s part of the reason why I am able to go there and uh- and they’ve just had ah- one really interesting breakthrough in this last week where the Commission of Charities (that’s the organisation overseeing charities in Singapore) has exonerated Sun from all ah- all charges against her so-“
1. When he is over at Kong Hee’s church it “gives them a chance to get out amongst the Asian community or various parts around the world and share in churches their burden ‘n what they’re facing and keep support happening and maintain a healthier relationship and communion with the wider body”.
The audio provided here clearly demonstrates that Phil Pringle has been allowing Kong Hee to use his C3 Presence Conference to solicit support in bearing his financial “burden” through by giving their “support”.
AN EXAMPLE OF KONG SHARING HIS “BURDEN” AND GETTING “SUPPORT”
To confirm that Kong Hee is gaining “support” from churches outside of Singapore, we can examine him “sharing his burden” and gaining “support” from those who attended Phil Pringle’s Presence Conferences.
In 2012, Kong Hee prayed the following on the first night at Presence Conference 2012 (not the opening night):
“Father I just pray even right now from the front to the back, from the left to the right, that tonight you move in a great way. Lord you know that it’s been a tiring time for the last twenty three months. For every step of the way, you’ve been with me, you’ve been with us. And Lord for all that C3 has poured into City Harvest Church, I pray that you multiply back to them, every church –every leader, thirty fold, sixty fold, a hundred fold for your glory we pray. Amen.” – Kong Hee, Presence Conference 2012, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeIYljvQ0G0: 18:11, Day 1.
In this prayer, Kong Hee acknowledges that “C3 has poured into City Harvest Church”. By ‘poured’ he means ‘financially poured’. If you are not familiar with the term “thirty fold, sixty fold, a hundred fold”, it is Word of Faith terminology that usually means financial multiplication. The idea is that if you give financially, God will multiply your returns supernaturally. The unusual thing about this prayer is that Kong Hee said C3 poured money into City Harvest Church. But it was Pringle in 2011 that asked everyone at his Conference to give cash directly to Kong Hee and Sun Ho:
“Alrighty. Can I ask you to find your seats again? Is that alright? If you can just return to your seats. I want to let you know about a couple of things.
I’m wondering if- thank you Kari. I’m wondering if i can do something that ah- we don’t do here normally. (And I’ve only got about five minutes because the buses are leaving at ten o’clock.)
I’m wondering, as I was sitting there just wrestling with a thought, because I really ah, appreciate everybody here and their sacrifice in getting here. But I’m feeling like I just would like us to show love in a very real and a practical way for Kong and Sun.
So I’m just going to ask this question. If you would like to help them financially then we’re going to pass the container one more time here. I don’t want you to feel that you have to. I don’t want you to feel that there’s any great drive for this on you at all.
But I just feel that maybe some of you who would like to do this. We normally don’t receive offerings for preachers because it’s a very big conference and it’s a- and we build it into our overall thinking and budget to look after our speakers. But right now, if you need a card and you want to help these guys, just raise your hand.
You need to understand that they- I’m- I’m not quite sure I can say this, are they- are they- they’re gone? Okay. Umm…” – Presence Conference 2011.
Something is amiss with the content of Kong Hee’s prayer. Wasn’t Kong Hee supposed to receive the support directly? In 2011, Phil Pringle specifically asked people to give money directly to fund Kong Hee’s legal battles. It would appear that in 2012 Kong Hee’s prayer was acknowledging that he indeed received this personal financial support, while using his church as a safeguard to hide this fact.
It was at this same conference we also see Kong Hee share his “burden” in more detail.
This sermon not only had the above prayer, but is also is the very sermon that has caused controversy in Singapore where Kong Hee claimed that God apologised to him. This is why we believe some people are outraged with the latest information – they perceive that Kong Hee is distorting the severity of the case for his personal and financial gain. Here again is what Kong Hee said on the first night of Presence Conference 2012:
“And [God the Father] said, ‘My son, I’m so sorry that you need to go through this alone. But you need to die and you need to go through this to be the Saviour of the world!’ And God the Father had broken and He wept as He turned His face, when His son took the sin of the whole world.
I was saying all this and I’m hearing myself behind the pulpit- and I froze. I could not utter another word. And I sobbed and I shook. Because those were my exact sentiments.
“Father, Father! Why? My God! My God! Why have you forsaken me and thrown me to the dogs?”
And for the first time in eight months, I heard the voice. It is not the voice of a strict angry judge that only want me to perform and build a big church and nothing I do is ever good enough for him. No. It’s not a voice of angry judge. It’s not the voice of a slave driver. That just wants to take and take and wring me dry. But it was a voice of a tender, loving, broken-hearted Father.
For the first time in eight months, God – I heard Him crying. And He said, “My son, Kong, thank you! Thank you for going through this. I need you to go through this alone so that you and City Harvest Church can be the man and the ministry I call it to be. I’m so sorry. But you need to go through with this by yourself, to bring a change to your generation”.
Oh come on! Give the Lord a big hand tonight!
I hear God saying for the first time in eight months, “I love you! I love you! I love you!” Waves upon waves of God’s love- the love of the Father, just, saturated me. All I could say was, “Abba! Abba!! AABBAAAA!!! Daddy! ABBA!!!” And I knew, everything was going to be, alright.
As you can see, you are hearing a very one-sided and propaganda-like presentation of Kong Hee’s situation.
So we are seeing that what Pringle has said about Kong Hee appears be true. Phil Pringle’s Presence Conference was a place Kong Hee felt safe enough to “share… their burden ‘n what they’re facing and keep support happening”. And guess what? Kong can say whatever he wants to whoever he wants… and get away with it. How would Singapore know what his agenda is when he speaks at churches in other countries? Who can keep him accountable for what he says around the world, away from the Singaporean judicial system?
THE FRAUDULENT BEHAVIOUR CONTINUES
In light of the legal investigations underway at the times and the court case, it is scandalous of Pringle to invite Kong Hee to speak at Presence Conference from 2010 to 2013, . Pringle persisted in giving Kong Hee the floor to present his propaganda-like stories, designed to raise financial support for his legal expenses, yet disguised as sermons. Not once did Phil Pringle or Kong Hee give an accurate account as to why Kong Hee was under investigation or why Kong Hee is currently in court. Why is the media failing to expose Phil Pringle and Kong Hee’s fraudulent behaviour in financially misleading thousands of people at these events?
Last year at City Harvest Church, Phil Pringle made a video showing a number of pastors who chose to lend their support to Kong Hee. Kong Hee spoke at Ed Young’s church in 2011.
We’ve also covered Kong Hee speaking recently at Victory Life Centre, providing a very one-sided story of his case back in Singapore:
Did Kong Hee get love offerings from these churches after spreading more propaganda about his plight against the Singaporean government? Why are pastors like John Bevere, Mark Conner, Casey Treat, David Yonggi Cho and many more allowing Kong Hee to mislead their churches about his case? Were they misled and groomed to financially support Kong Hee’s lawyers as we saw at Presence Conference? Are these the churches that Pringle was alluding to when he said that “others have moved to help them in other countries”?
Leaders like John Bevere, Yonggi Cho, Casey Treat and Ed Young have already been exposed as false Christian teachers. Is it any wonder they would support someone like Kong Hee? Are we seeing a banding of false teachers, each being only accountable to their inner circle rather than the body of Christ?
This scandal needs to be addressed by the universal body of Christ. How far are men like Phil Pringle and Kong Hee allowed to go with this ungodly, manipulative behaviour before the true church starts dealing with such wolves?
We hope that Senior District Judge See Kee Oon takes note of Mr Foong claiming God spoke to him saying, “Son, speak to the judge”.
Foong later claimed, “initially I was quite upset, but then I know where they are coming from… They are definitely very troubled”. The “troubled” that Foong mentioned were “two defendants” that “came to [his] office seeking prayer”. So God wanted Foong Daw Ching to say to the judge that those two defendants are “are definitely very troubled”?
Who does Foong Daw Ching think he is?
Isn’t this cult-like behaviour to use God to speak like this to a judge? In Foong’s mind, who is this judge to now think he has the right to have an opinion on these “two defendants” contrary to what God said to him?
And since God is speaking to Foong Daw Ching, why doesn’t he ask God to fix his faulty memory so he can help the court?
We bring this to our readers attention for this reason: CHC’s Advisory Pastor, CHC ‘Apostle’ and ‘Prophet’ gave this “Apostolic proclamation and blessing” over Kong Hee and Sun Ho back in his 2011 Presence Conference.
“In Jesus name, Father we pronounce victory. [Crowd cheers]. We pronounce conquering. We pronounce deliverance in JESUS NAME. NOT ONE NIGHT WILL THIS FAIR HEAD SPEND BEHIND BARS. LORD GOD YOUR NAME IS EXALTED. YOU WILL GLORIFY THE NAME OF JESUS to this great man and his wife and that awesome church that they have built by the power of God and in the name of Jesus…” [Read/Listen to more here]
We’ve revealed that Phil Pringle of the C3 Church movement has mislead the general Singaporean public about his past, which has led many in CHC to believe he is an “Apostle”. We have continually revealed that Pringle has uttered false prophecies proving he is a false prophet. We have continually exposed how he uses his platform, prophecies and pouts to discredit anyone who has issues with his leadership. In fact, we know that he has huge issues with people (especially his leaders) visiting our site. In his eyes (or God’s) we are “very troubled”. And Pringle’s henchmen and members continually defend what “God is doing” at C3 and dismiss those that oppose them as “troubled”. This attitude is also evident as we have now seen in CHC leadership.
Is this not the height of arrogance? Should we be surprised the world mocks the church for this ludicrousy? Should we be shocked that Jesus calls those who “prophesy”, those who claim to “hear God” and “speak on his behalf” “lawless ones”? (Matt 7:15-23.)
We hope that the court comes to realise they are not dealing with a biblical ‘elder’. They are not dealing with ‘pastors’ of a ‘church’. They are dealing with leaders of a cult. This means Foong Daw Ching fails the biblical requirements laid out in Titus 1:5-9. Specifically, he is disqualified as an elder (see bold),
“This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. For an overseer, as God’s steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.”
A true biblical elder would NOT remain in a church like CHC that continually desecrates the name of Jesus, His gospel and His Word. As we’ve seen, the CHC leadership is not even faithful with the basic handling of God Himself and His Holy scriptures. If a cult like this can get away with mishandling the basics of the Christian faith (either deliberately or unintentionally), it is only a matter of time before they are back in the courts over another issue that is badly mishandled. The Singaporean churches and the government need to approach issues within CHC with much wisdom.
The Straits Times reports,
Auditor: God told me to speak to the judge
SINGAPORE – Court proceedings for the City Harvest trial kicked off on Thurday with a surprise request by prosecution witness Foong Daw Ching to tell the judge “something from my heart”.
Senior District Judge See Kee Oon allowed it.
Mr Foong said that while he was sleeping the night before, “this voice kept coming to me, and as a Christian, I believe this voice must be from God. He said, ‘Son, speak to the judge.'”
The 63-year-old auditor said he was “hurt” that in the past few days, the defence accused him of distancing himself from City Harvest Church. He then pointed out that two of the accused had, in fact, taken advantage of him during a recent meeting.
Mr Foong had met John Lam and Tan Ye Peng last December to discuss the case. It was revealed this week that the two church leaders filed their own notes on what Mr Foong said in case he changed his tune.
Mr Foong said they did not tell him they were taking notes. They had asked to meet him to pray together, and he agreed as he is “an elder and a Christian counsellor”.
“Two of the defendants came to my office seeking prayer, yet they took the opportunity to record, thinking that I may say something otherwise.. for some safety,” he said.
When he found out about this during the trial, “initially I was quite upset, but then I know where they are coming from… They are definitely very troubled”, he said.
Mr Foong also wanted to restate what he knew about the six accused and City Harvest, but the judge disallowed it as the defence is still cross-examining him.
Defence lawyers have sought to show that church leaders looked up to Mr Foong and trusted his advice, and that his consistent denial that he gave them detailed guidance on various transactions was “breaking their hearts”.
Tessa Wong, Auditor: God told me to speak to the judge, The Straits Times, http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/auditor-god-told-me-speak-judge, Sep 22, 2013. (Accessed 27/01/2014.)
It would seem Louis Giglio doesn’t have a problem with women acting as elders as he’s had Beth Moorepreach a Sunday morning service at his own church.1 The fact is, Giglio is set to be one of the “voices” for Phil Pringle’s C3 Church Presence Conference 2014 (C3 2014) this coming April 22-25.
As you can see, Louis Giglio is set to be on the platform at C3 2014 along with WF preachers like Pringle, Brian Houston, and Kong Hee:
However, we’re really not surprised because this isn’t the first time Giglio has shared the platform with WF preachers; he was already at Houston’s infamous annual Hillsong Conference back in 2012:
Evangelist Louie Giglio, speaking during the last day of the Hillsong Conference in Sydney Friday, shared about how he was lifted by God’s grace from a more than two-month struggle with the physical and emotional symptoms of stress and depression. (source)
Looks like that message would fit in just fine at a self help-style WF conference. Another time we’ll look further at Brian Houston; however, for our purposes here, you should know that Houston is the ring leader of the nefarious WF Hillsong Church, Australia.
In fact, Houston’s lead pastor along with his wife pastrix Bobbie; and two years ago we even saw Beth Moore To Speak For Hillsong Church. Houston’s also growing in stature with the burgeoning Evangelical Ecumenical Magisterium (EEM) as well.
This is evidenced e.g. in this tweet from EEM leader Mark Driscoll back on May 5 of 2012:
You may also recall that EEM junior member Judah Smith regularly preaches for Brian Houston’s HC conferences. And you need to know that now Houston’s even got the kind of clout necessary within the apostatizing visible church to land two of the biggest names in Christendom for HC’s 2013 conference.
Now consider that Phil Pringle has been able to land both Brian Houston and Louis Giglio; and so it seems that Pringle himself is now moving more into the mainstream. 2012 appears a busy one for this cross pollination of theology; and sure enough, Pringle’s move would begin that year as well.
It happened when he brought in highly influential EEM prophet-pastor Steven Furtick to his C3 2012 conference:
What I am trying to do here is to help you see that there’s a real convergence of evangelicalism with the biggest names in the Word Faith movement; Giglio standing with such as these will now serve to further align his Passion/268 Jesus Generation movement with their own WF movements.
We should also find it of interest to note that Hillsong United, which originated at Houston’s HC, is slated to entertain the young at Giglio’s upcoming Passion 2014; and in addition, former Hillsong pastrixChristine Caine will also once again share the podium with Louis Giglio there at Passion.3
Then there was the disturbing idolatry of CHC Youth Worship Of Kong Hee And His CHC? Therein I informed you that Hee is founder of the largest church in Singapore, City Harvest Church, where he is pastor along with his wife pastrix Ho Yeow Sun, also known in the pop music world as Sun Ho.
Below Kong Hee compares himself to Jesus Christ and shares some direct revelation where Hee claims God actually thanks him for going through his trial and even apologizes to Hee that, like Jesus, he has to bear it alone:
Here’s the bottom line: Louis Giglio has considerable credibility within evangelicalism, New Calvinism, and with the young, restless, and reformed. Yet it’s this kind of spiritual lunacy in the Lord’s Name that he decides to lend his credibility to; and now that I have dared to be critical of Phil Pringle, let me quickly close.
For you see, I guess I’d better be afraid…be very afraid,,,because apparently, according to Pringle, God might actually kill me for opposing his spiritually bankrupt WF fables.4 But this is what the Lord says to Pringle et al:
2 false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. (2 Peter 2:1-3)
Source: Ken Silva, Louis Giglio Stands With Phil Pringle, Brian Houston, And Kong Hee At C3 Church, Apprising Ministries, http://apprising.org/2014/01/09/louis-giglio-stands-with-phil-pringle-brian-houston-and-kong-hee-at-c3-church/, 09/01/2014. (Accessed 12/01/2014.)
“When we have no room for the Word of God in our lives we have no room for success.” – Phil Pringle, Faith, 2001, pg 14.
‘Pastor’ Chris Pringle tells the story of she and Phil Pringle suffered tremendously… to obtain a $3.5 million house. (It’s tough having a knife in your heart.)
EDIT: If YouTube doesn’t load to the correct location, Chris gives her story at 36:00.
If you would like to see where their $3.5 million house is and what it looks like, read our article here:
Did Chris Pringle really have an encounter with Jesus? Would you listen to her ‘Lord of the Harvest’? The Apostle Paul has this to say to people like Phil and Chris Pringle:
“And what I do I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of [Phil and Chris Pringle] who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do. [Phil and Chris Pringle] are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.” 2 Corinthians 11:12-15. (ESV)
So if Prophet Chris Pringle had Jesus speak to her, it is worth testing to see if Chris Pringle follows the true Jesus. This ‘Jesus’ of Chris Pringle revealed that he was Lord of the Harvest. Chris knew that this ‘Jesus’ was saying he was Lord of her financial harvest.
The only time we see Jesus mention the phrase ‘Lord of the Harvest’ is in Matthew 9. But to understand the context of this phrase, we need to understand that the early manuscripts did not chapter breaks. Matthew 9:35-38 and 10:1-7 reads:
And Jesus went throughout all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom and healing every disease and every affliction. When he saw the crowds, he had compassion for them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd. Then he said to his disciples, “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few; therefore pray earnestly to the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest.
And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every affliction. The names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; Simon the Cananaean, and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.
These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And proclaim as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’”
Here is the context:
“Jesus went throughout all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom.”
Jesus saw the crowds were, “harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd”.
In response to what he saw, Jesus said to his disciples, “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few; therefore pray earnestly to the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest”.
What did Jesus (the Lord of the Harvest) do? These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, “… Go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And proclaim as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’”
It is clear that Jesus is not telling his disciples he is “Lord” of their financial harvest. Jesus is only keen of harvesting souls for the kingdom. As Jesus says in Matthew 10: 8-10,
“You received without paying; give without pay. Acquire no gold nor silver nor copper for your belts, no bag for your journey, nor two tunics nor sandals nor a staff, for the laborer deserves his food.”
It is clear Jesus considers his disciples his labourers. It is clear that these labourer’s mission was to preach the gospel so that man can be saved. It is clear that Jesus did not have ‘prosperity’ on his mind when he commissioned them, he had salvation.
What Chris Pringle is peddling is classic Word of Faith heresy. Jesus’ ministry is all about saving souls. The only competent thing Chris Pringle’s Jesus can do is harvest the cash from people’s wallets.
CONCLUSION
So how should we conclude Chris Pringle’s antics? Did Chris see a demon parading as an “angel of light” and fell for its deception. Or is Chris purposely and deceitfully manipulating people to give hard earned money to the conniving money-grubby Miracle Offering?
The Breakfast Network recently reported the following:
BN Special: The man who posted the God-Kong Hee video speaks to Breakfast Network
The Youtube video clip that went viral showing City Harvest Church founder Kong Hee “speaking” to God was posted by a church member who said he did it to “expose Kong and his lies”.
In an exclusive interview with Breakfast Network, he said that the 3½-minute clip he uploaded was a recording of a sermon the senior church pastor had delivered during a religious conference in Australia in April last year. He said he had obtained the clip last year from C3 Church Watch, a group that monitors the activities of a Sydney-based church, whose founder Phil Pringle is currently an advisory pastor with City Harvest Church.
According to the member, who posted the clip on Youtube under the id “anointedforworship”, Kong had made the same remarks during a church service last year to City Harvest members as well. He said he decided to make it public only now because he wanted to “show the sublimal messages embedded in the sermon and delivered through the pulpit”.
The church member declined to be named as he is still currently worshiping at City Harvest Church. He told BN: “Just to be clear, I’m posting the video not to ‘destroy the church’ but to expose the deception within carried by certain individuals who go as far as to abuse the trust and authority given to them.
“I believe people need to be warned about deception, especially when it happens in church, to protect them.”
Since the clip was uploaded on Sunday, netizens have roundly condemned Kong’s remarks in which he compared his involvement in the ongoing court case to Jesus’ suffering. Along with five other church leaders, Kong is currently on trial for embezzling millions in church funds which he allegedly used to finance his wife’s singing career. The trial began in May and is expected to resume next month.
In the clip, which was recorded about two years after investigations into the alleged charges began in 2010, Kong also claimed that God spoke to him and apologized for putting him through the trial, and that it was necessary to “bring change to your generation”.
“For the first time in eight months, God, I heard Him cry. And he said ‘My son, Kong, thank you. Thank you for going through this’,” Kong told the unseen congregation.
“‘I need you to go through this alone, so that you and City Harvest Church can be the man and the ministry I call it to be. I’m so sorry, but you need to go through this by yourself, to bring a change to your generation.’”
So far, the clip has been viewed more than 69,000 times, with 54 Likes and nearly 2,000 viewers expressing their disapproval. A parody of the clip featuring pop group ABBA was posted by another Youtube user yesterday.
Netizens have slammed the recording as it was shared on Facebook and Twitter over the last two days. Youtube user “soulsessions” said of the clip: “What a load of bullshit”. Another user, “futurelady2k”, called it “Nonsense.”
In a report posted today, Yahoo! News said it had contacted City Harvest Church for a response but had yet to receive one. Other church members interviewed said the clip may have been misinterpreted or taken out of context.
Source: By Yen Feng, BN Special: The man who posted the God-Kong Hee video speaks to Breakfast Network, http://www.breakfastnetwork.sg/?p=6564, 30/08/2013. (Accessed 06/08/2013.)
At Presence Conference 2013, Kong Hee decided to belittle many of his “elders” in front of thousands of Christians. It appears Kong Hee only gets orders from Yonggi Cho (who is also currently under investugation for mishandling church finances) and Phil Pringle. Is this the way a ‘pastor’ should behave? Who is Kong Hee accountable too? Is he accountable to only Phil Pringle and Yonggi Cho?
Kong Hee also claimed that God spoke to him about Hebrews 13:5-6. This is what the passage actually says in it’s greater context:
“Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous. Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” So we can confidently say,
“The Lord is my helper;
I will not fear;
what can man do to me?”
Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God. Consider the outcome of their way of life, and imitate their faith. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings…” Hebrews 13:4-6
Consider Sun Ho’s sexually immoral ‘China Wine’ music video. Consider all of Kong Hee’s obsessive sermons on the topic of money. Does Kong Hee teach his members to “be content with what you have”? Isn’t it convenient for Kong Hee’s “God” to twist the scriptures to elevate the man Kong Hee? If an elder of his church came up and tried to correct Kong Hee, would Kong make fun of that elder at another church conference elsewhere around the world? As a leader of CHC, should we consider the outcome of Kong Hee’s way of life and imitate his faith?
Here is the video and the transcript.
“I came back from Korea and it really was strengthened by my time with Dr Cho and Ps Phil. Pastor Phil kept pumping faith into me. Pumping faith into me. “Come on Kong! Rise up in faith!”
You see for two years, I got to backtrack a little bit, for two years when this whole case happened, I was- I was depressed. I was down. And many of my elders and many of my leaders came to me and said, “Kong! It’s all your fault. Always preaching faith! And you must always have big visions and dreams! Why must you buy SunTec Convention Center? Why don’t you just be a nice- why can’t we be just nice group of people, have a small neighbourhood church- we have ten thousand people. Why don’t we just cruise? Why must you always preach about faith? Can you just stop preaching about faith for a while?”
So I said, “Alright. Let’s choose love.” So I start preaching about love. For two years I preach about love. Dr Cho and Ps Phil say, “Kong, enough about love [Audience laughs]. Get back to faith. Get back to faith. Get back to faith. Hallelujah! [Audience applauses] Have the spirit of faith. C’mon! Give the Lord a big hand.
So I went back to Singapore. I went back to Singapore. I said, “Guys open up your bible. Go with me to Mark 11. Jesus says, “Have faith in God”. I could see the first row. They got a little nervous.
“What is pastor doing?”
I said, “I’m going to preach about faith!” They almost freak out. “Faith! Again! FAITH!!!”
You know just before I came into the hall, the Lord spoke to me. He spoke to me a verse: Hebrews 13:5 to verse 6.
‘For He himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you”, so we may boldly say, “The Lord is my helper, I will not fear. What can man do to me?” [Crowd applauds]
So I came in. I just preached a sermon like what I just mentioned a moment ago. People in the front row they were a little nervous. But as it gets further back they seemed to be happy. Everyone’s elbowing everyone else, “Pastor is back! Pastor is back! He’s preaching faith again!” So we had a great service.
And then I got everyone to stand up. And I said, “Come lets lift up our hands and let’s begin to pray”. So they were praying. (Much of what you did earlier when Ps Chris was here.) And then the Holy Spirit said to me- He said, “Kong, do you believe what I just told you: Hebrews 13, that I would never leave you nor forsake you?”
I said, “Jesus, I do believe”.
He says, “So what does the verse say? It says, “I will never leave you nor forsake you so we may boldly say”. Kong I want you to “boldly say” it!”
I said, “I can do that! I think I can do that.” So what is the first line? It says, “The Lord is my helper”. So I was telling the people, “We are having a time of prayer. A time of worship.” And I say, “The Lord just spoke to me. He will never leave us. He will not forsake us”. And there was a huge roar.
“Woahhh! Jesus we love you! Jesus you’ll not leave us forsake us.” So I’m gonna say it! So everyone was waiting for me. I say, “The Lord is my helper!” Big roar from the back to the front, “Woaaaah!”
Front people still getting nervous. [Audience laughs] So the Holy Spirit say, “Good! Good! Continue! Say the next line.” I said, “Okay. I can say that. ‘The Lord is my helper, I will not fear’.”
“Woaaah!” [They] clapped, they were shouting, they were jumping, “We will not be afraid! Hallelujah!” And then Jesus said, ‘Why don’t you finish it’? I said, “Okay. I can do that. ‘The Lord is my helper! I will not fear! What can-‘” [Audience: “Man”]
Wait! What can- [whispers ‘man’]. I said, “Lord! This is live streaming.” I said, “This is Singapore.” I said, “There are a lot of people taking down notes right now.” I said, “If I made a statement like that, would I be misconstrued for being defiant? What happens after the service? What- the next thing- the usual thing happened the next morning- *beepu-beepu*.
“On the TV this morning, mega-church pastor Kong Hee has been called in for making the statement, ‘What can man do to me’.” [Audience laughs]
So I was struggling. I was really struggling. My wife was leading song. “He’s looking at me. Kong what’s wrong? I mean we’ve been singing and prasing. C’mon! Finish what you’ve- lets close the meeting.”
I struggled and I struggled. And I tell you that’s what faith is. When all is said and done are you bold enough to speak out what you believe? Finally, I took up every courage I have saying, “The Lord is my helper. I WILL NOT FEAR. WHAT CAN MAN DO TO ME”. And at that moment it’s like heaven broke open and just an anointing THAT hit our place. And from that day unto today the spirit of faith came upon us. [Crowd applauses] We are not the same church we used to be. Oh come on! Give the Lord a big hand!
Oh! If you want to clap somebody? Give the Lord a clap! Somebody scream! [Crowd screams] Somebody go ‘woooo’! [Crowd: Wooo!] Lets all stand on our feet right now shall we? Let’s all stand up on our feet right now. How many of you want to have some faith in this room this morning? Hallelujah!
I wonder how many of you today you need a miracle in your life. If you need a miracle, just put up your hands. Would you just hold your neighbours hands on your left on your right. Just hold your neighbours hand. Let there be no aisles today. Let’s declare this as loud as we can in Jesus name.
Everybody say with me say, “Lord Jesus Christ, [Audience: Lord Jesus Christ ] I forbid any sickness [Audience: I forbid any sickness ] to dwell in my body [Audience: to dwell in my body]. By your stripes I’m healed [Audience: By your stripes I’m healed]. I’m blessed in my finances [Audience: I’m blessed in my finances]. The money will come [Audience: The money will come]. The business will come! [Audience: The business will come!] I will prosper in all that I do! [Audience: I will prosper in all that I do!] In Jesus name I pray- [Audience: In Jesus name I pray-]
If you believe that give the Lord a clap.” – Kong Hee, Presence Conference, Day 1, Session 1: 01:25:10, 2013.
When key church conferences or events are weeks away, Phil Pringle executes his teachings in rather peculiar ways. To the average person it sounds like what they are hearing in a Sunday service or bible study is biblical teaching.
Unfortunately this is not the case. It is becoming more evident that C3 members are being seduced by innovative marketing ploys for Phil Pringle’s conferences and events. People need to understand that Phil Pringle can often have a rather different agenda when he is preaching. It is of our opinion that his marketing ploys are becoming more manipulative.
Consider some of these statements he has made in his book, ‘You The Leader’:
“People can become anything under the right conditions.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 267.
“I don’t approach Sundays with an attitude of, “What message shall I preach?” but rather, “What do we want to achieve in our church at this time?” That desired end result determines what and how I preach. Then, within the particular message, I ask myself, “What am I trying to achieve here? What one thing am I attempting to say? What do I want these people to have or do at the end of this time?’
Then I follow the plan.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, pg. 234.
“What we preach is what we get. We are farmers sowing seed. If we are unhappy with the harvest we’re reaping, we should sow different seed. If we want different results, we preach different messages.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 215.
It is unsettling to know that a pastor might be using his position and sermon time to manipulate people. This is what we have recorded Phil Pringle doing in the past.
You may be thinking Phil Pringle went through an unusual phase in his ministry. Not so. We have seen him behave like this for a few years now. This year we have seen Pringle misuse his power and position to market his events through his teachings. Specifically this years Presence Conference 2013 and Vision Builders 2013.
In this articles we will not give you a critique of Phil Pringle’s sermons that market people to attend Presence Conference 2013 or Vision Builders 2013. First, we invite you to look at the bizarre C3 Connect Notes study, weeks leading up to Presence Conference 2013. (Emphasis ours in underline.)
35 Don’t you have a saying, ‘It’s still four months until harvest’? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest. John 4v35 (all references NIV)
It says: “don’t you have a saying?” We all have a saying.
– We can say one thing, but God says this: we can’t go without the presence of God.
– Moses and the people set out, but they pleaded: “Please God, don’t let us go without your presence.
The presence of God defines who you are. When people meet you they don’t just experience you, they experience God.
The church is a place of the second chance – but the church is also the house of promise.
TALK ABOUT: * Are you ready for the hour we are about to step into? Are you willing give [sic] him all of your life?
Ps Greg French moved extensively in the prophetic after this message. We would like to encourage all leaders to have a special prayer and ministry time in your connect group this week. Remember you are a sufficient minister of the Holy Spirit! ‘..Our competence comes from God. 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit..’ (2 Corin 3:5-6)
Let’s see if Phil Pringle honestly used the single verse in the ‘bible study’ in context. Did he handle the words of Jesus accurately? Does God overwrite all our sayings to correct us? Let’s see what Jesus said:
“My food,” said Jesus, “is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work. Don’t you have a saying, ‘It’s still four months until harvest’? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest. Even now the one who reaps draws a wage and harvests a crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together. Thus the saying‘One sows and another reaps’ is true. I sent you to reap what you have not worked for. Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labor.” John 4:34-38. (Emphasis ours.)
So what has this verse got to do with God’s presence™? It doesn’t. But what is Pringle trying to say? That God will override our sayings to say something else?
Pringle used ONLY John 4:35 to explain that, “We can say one thing, but God says this: we can’t go without the presence”. This could be true BUT Jesus in his next breath says in AGREEMENT that, “the saying ‘One sows and another reaps’ is true“. So… what is going on?
Why did Pringle exclude this? If he kept the scripture in context wouldn’t people be able to see that God can be in agreement with our sayings?
We are assuming he wants people to think like this in the bible study:
As a reader, are you ready for the hour you are about to step into: Presence™ Conference 2013?
How is it possible to give God all your life if you do not go?
Don’t you realise that God is telling you that you can’t go without the Presence™ of God?
Can’t you see that if you say “I might not go to Presence™ Conference”, God might be telling you to do the opposite?
It’s wrong for Phil Pringle to make Jesus out to be a liar. When you read the verse in its context, the entire bible study is debunked and made pointless. This seems to indicate that Pringle is misleading his entire Connect Group network with this study to try and get people to go to his Presence Conference. Quite frankly this is despicable behaviour coming from a ‘pastor’.
But it get’s worse…
WHAT IS THE C3 VISION BUILDERS DINNER & THE C3 VISION?
Before looking at the Vision Builders marketing ploys Pringle weaves in his teachings, it is important that you understand the ‘Vision Builders’ dinner.
We’ll let C3 explain what it is.
If you do not know what the ‘Vision’ of God is to Phil Pringle, it is this. (Also watch the video via below source link.)
“Our vision for C3 Church is to see 1000 Churches planted by the year 2020 with an average attendance of 500 members.” – 2020 Vision, C3 Church Global, http://c3churchglobal.com/cms/2020-vision. (Accessed 14/06/2013.)
With this in mind, it is time to look at how Phil Pringle convinces people to sign up for the ‘Vision Builders’ dinner so they can make financial pledges to C3 Church’ building initiatives.
VISION BUILDERS MARKETING GIMMICKS
Here is what you will find advertised on the myc3church website. Ask yourself this question: Who “prepares a table” for you? God or C3?
To reduce the size of this article, we will only look at C3’s Vision Builders video and C3’s latest ‘bible study’ Connect Notes.
Here is the video.
The transcript reads:
“What a humbling thing it is to realise that God, the Creator of the universe, maker of heaven and earth, has prepared a table for you. Long before you acknowledged Him, your place had been set, the invitation extended. Taste and see that the Lord is good. It was not a place you could earn or deserve. You were lost. Dead. But now, you are found alive, caught up in his great story. And so before you is a banquet. A feast of provision. That you may play a part in the midst of darkness bringing the light.”
Like other Vision Builders dinner, Pringle encouraged people to bring their wallets to the table and make pledges to the C3 building fund. (Quick reminder: The light is Jesus, not our money.)
There is something seriously wrong with the video presentation. Do you think this advert has gone one step further than worldly marketing? How do you feel when you watch this? Who is really preparing the table? God or Pringle? Who is really asking people to give cash? God or Pringle? Who is asking you to expand in your sacrificial giving? God or Pringle?
The lines were deliberately blurred to entice and pressure C3 members to give sacrificially. But would God really want people to give financially at this event?
C3 BIBLE STUDY CONNECT GROUP NOTES
If that’s not disturbing enough, look how Phil Pringle in the last two weeks planned out the C3 Church bible study connect group notes.
You can see bible passages are being twisted in these Connect Notes when Pringle wants people to ask these questions:
TALK ABOUT:
* Have you ever had a time of stretching with God?
* Are you ever tempted to “bail out” or “dig up the seed” in waiting for God to grow something in you?
* Does it encourage you when God says you shall expand or His people will inherit?
TALK ABOUT:
* What is your part of God’s grand design? Are you looking to the Bible to affirm the plan of God? * Discuss how our church leadership and vision is always exhorting us to expand and look out. * Are you involved in the width, the length, the depth or the height of his plan? Where is God calling you? [Note Pringle’s allusion to * How are you investing in the future of His magnificent house? How can we each step up rather than only attend meetings?
These questions should be properly revealed this way:
* Have you ever had a time of stretching with Phil Pringle pressuring you to give money?
* Are you ever tempted to “bail out” or “dig up the seed” because Phil Pringle keeps telling you, “God [wants] to grow something in you”?
* Does it encourage you when Phil Pringle says you shall expand or His people will inherit?
* What is your part of Phil Pringle’s grand design? Are you looking to the Bible to affirm the plan of Pringle (or testing what He says to what God says)?
* Discuss how our church leadership and vision is always exhorting us to expand and look out.
* Are you involved in the width, the length, the depth or the height of Pringle’s financial plan? What is Pringle calling you to do?
* Discuss how you are investing in the future of Phil Pringle’s ministry? How can we each step up rather than only attend meetings?
What’s the answer to the last question? “How are you investing in the future of His magnificent house? How can we each step up rather than only attend meetings?” Answer: Go to Vision Builders.
Is this biblical? Do people realise they are being financially duped by Phil Pringle? Do they know what they are hearing is not the biblical context but a deceptive marketing scheme? How should members feel if they are being manipulated like this? Is this the way Phil Pringle should run his church?
Please pray that members get wisdom and and understanding so they do not put themselves under financial stress.
“And I share that with you because you got- you need to know that when we read the Bible – like just what we read- that was an angel leading Ezekiel deeper and deeper.
