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C3 College Classes With Mark Kelsey: Invent Your Own Theology (Part 1)

11 Saturday Feb 2012

Posted by Nailed Truth in C3 & Pringles Associations, C3 Culture, C3 Ministry, C3 Spirituallity, C3 Teaching, C3 Values

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Exec Pastor Mark Kelsey

C3 DOESN’T HAVE THEOLOGICAL/BIBLE COLLEGES

Solid theological churches with theologically trained ministers don’t generally need to have Bible Colleges with their churches. Qualified teachers should be able to educate the congregation to the best of their knowledge. Often a member can question ministers and ministers will be open for correction or will happily provide members with material to spiritually grow in. As a result, the congregation grows in the Wisdom of God.

Because C3 members generally can’t discuss in depth what is being taught on Sundays, the structures provide it’s members to discuss their teachings in their C3 bible study groups (aka Connect Groups).

Unfortunately, the content isn’t deep. C3 therefore encourages it’s members to go to their colleges to learn, if you have a passion to learn about God. However, it is important to establish that the C3 Colleges are NOT bible colleges or theological colleges. C3’s 1985 Ministry Training College Prospectus says on pg 2,

“We are not a “theological college” though we teach theology, nor even a “bible college” per se, but a ministry training college where students learn biblically how to be effective in the work force of Jesus.

You will learn how to pray, how to move in the anointing of the Holy Spirit, how to preach the word of God, how to set your faith loose, how to study the Bible and numerous other essential skills.”

View the pdf we have made here on the 1985 C3 MTC Prospectus:

Christian City Church Ministry Training College PROSPECTUS 1985

More articles will be written on this topic later.

THE EIGHTH DIMENSION

The above statement by C3 has proven to be true. Mark Kelsey is proof of this.

In the first term of 2007, I had to take a class called ‘Life In Ministry’.  School of Creative Art (SCA) students had to take this class with School of Ministry (SOM) students. Mark Kelsey, the Executive Pastor, was our lecturer. He demonstrated effectively that both Christian City Church Colleges were not theologically or biblically based colleges.

I disagreed with the course content since Mark Kelsey continually taught from this diagram for the majority of the lessons we had with him:

Where is this in the bible? The only thing I found biblical about this diagram was that in the world we need to get a revelation to get into the Kingdom of God.

While loosely applying very few verses in the bible, Mark Kelsey made this up. Each segment was called a ‘dimension’. The way you access the next ‘dimension’ was by crossing the ‘bridge’ to the next dimension, usually through works. It’s important to note that the way you progress up the pyramid to the visionary status of the head C3 Pastor Phil Pringle, is through works of commitment, submission, discipline, responsibility and authority.

Mark Kelsey also drew a snake under the diagram at one point to teach that offense can make us fall back a dimension or take us back to the beginning again. It looked as though he was teaching an Amway scheme of ‘Snakes and Ladders’.

I didn’t want to do the assessment that was in relation to this and tried to protest my way out of doing something so stupid. Some students actually discussed the peculiarity of this subject, discussing the theology and practicality of it. They were confused. Some SCA students inquired how this was biblical in class, (not the SOM students). Unfortunately, none of us found that we could approach C3 College staff to address this peculiar teaching. Since the majority of the students were under 25, none felt they could actually object the class content and the assessment we had to complete in relation to the diagram

I found the entire approach Mark Kelsey was teaching about ministry was unbiblical, religious and pointless. As a result, I purposely went out of my way to mock the assessment. I was shocked to receive an ‘A’ for my efforts.

C3 College Class Assessment

I purposely went out of my way to be proud and not humble. I exalted myself of being prophetic, counselor-like, leadership material.

To get an ‘A’ for an assessment I treated as a joke reveals Mark Kelsey’s lack of competency and understanding as a minister, pastor or teacher of God’s Word and His Church. A thorough examination and training in the letters to Timothy of the bible would have been much more beneficial to students. Instead – Mark Kelsey made up his own theology and had us submit to his teachings.

THE EIGHT CORRECTIONS

The issues with the Amway-like diagram results in people and God favouring those who are in the upper class dimensions. Scriptures teach us that we are all on the same level playing field. While God does delegate certain people for certain roles, gifts and offices, God uses all of us and has no favourites (As C3 members say, ‘God is no respecter of persons’). All Christians:

1. … still sin. (1 John 1:8)

2. … are part of Christs church, therefore included as part of the Kingdom of God. (Matthew 16:19 – Read Gills Commentary on this.) (Mark Kelsey taught we are not of the church until we chose to commit ourselves to the church).

3. … are to be humble servants like Christ and be “with humility of mind” regarding others “as more important than” ourselves (Philippians 2:3-8).

4. … are to submit to one another. (Ephesians 5:21)

5. … are to minister to God’s people and those in the world. (2 Corinthians 5:18, Galatians 6:2, Ephesians 4:29, Romans 12:10)

6. … are called to be responsible. (1 Corinthians 7, Hebrews 4:13, Colossians 3:23, )

7. … are committed to the cause and vision of Christ. (Colossians 2:8, 2 Corinthians 5:18, Hebrews 3:12, 1John 5:20, 1 John 1:2, 1 John 5:5, 1 John 5:13, 2Peter 3:9, Romans 16:27)

8. … are under the authority and pledge loyal integrity to Christ. (Ephesians 5:24, Ephesians 1:22, Ephesians 5:21, 1Peter 1:7-9, 1Peter 3:14-17, Romans 16:27, Jude 1:25, Colossians 3:13, 1 John 3:16)

Hebrews 4 addresses that all people in the church are to grow together in fulness, maturity and unity in Christ. The gifts of God are there to help bring the church to the standard of Christ.

It is disturbing that Mark Kelsey calls students up on their loyalty to gain positions and titles within a church-like structure. Cults will often call people to pledge their loyalty to their leaders and movements. Integrity is the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles and moral uprightness. Integrity is greater then loyalty.

Mark Kelsey seems to disagree with the scriptures by forcing students to submit to his made up diagrams that supposedly look biblical. Then again. He is fulfilling the C3 College mandate that they are neither a “theological college” or “bible college”. We will see another sample of C3 College inventing their own theology in another article similar to this.

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Phil Pringle’s Invisible School

10 Friday Feb 2012

Posted by Nailed Truth in C3 Culture, C3 Ministry, C3 Spirituallity, C3 Teaching, C3 Values, Pringle's Behaviour, Pringle's Methods

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Edit: One member in C3 Leadership have confirmed that the ‘school’ existed. It was stated,

“.. International School of the Church was run at C3 Church for Church planters, I actually lectured in it – it is still advertised in some of Ps Phil’s books if they were published when it was in operation.”

“… we definitely had an ISOC- just how long it ran I am not sure of.”

We speculate that it may not exist now. Many other C3 leaders do not know it ever existed.

Phil Pringle released a new book last year called ‘Hope’ in 2011. At the book is a segment about the author. Philip Andrew Pringle writes (emphasis mine),

“He [Pringle] has overseen the planting of new churches in major cities throughout the world. Today, there are more than 300 C3 Churches around the globe, which collectively make up C3 Church Global, with a combined membership of more than 75,000. In addition to its renowned teaching ministry, C3 has an internationally acclaimed, accredited education program that includes kindergarten through high school, and offers baccalaureate degrees in disciplines that include:

  • The School of Ministry, which trains ministers and develops powerful ministries.
  • The School of Creative Arts, focusing in all disciplines of the arts.
  • The Pastoral Care and Counseling College.
  • The International School of the Church, which trains pastors and teams to plant churches and take the Word of God to new levels of growth.” – Phil Pringle, Hope, About The Author, 2011.

We’ve already discussed Pringle’s false information regarding that his colleges provide “baccalaureate degrees”:

About Phil Pringle: Well The Author Is Confusing & Misleading About His Colleges

Pringle says that “baccalaureate degrees” are offered to students in his ‘International School of the Church’ (ISC). But this is a problem.

The ‘International School of the Church’ does not seem to exist. The ‘International School of the Church’ is mentioned in his book online, “Top 10 Qualities Of A Great Leader” (emphasis mine).

“Ministries of Christian City Church include: School of Creative Arts, Pastoral Care and Counseling College, the International School of the Church, Jesus Television, and Seam of Gold Recording.” – Top 10 Qualities Of A Great Leader, http://books.google.com.au/books/about/Top_10_Qualities_of_a_Great_Leader.html?id=rJDrhB-05twC&redir_esc=y, (Accessed 07/02/2012).

And in the book itself (emphasis mine),

“Christian City Church Oxford Falls has a School of Ministry, developing powerful ministries for the future; a School of Creative Arts, developing ministries in the Arts; Pastoral Care and Counselling College; the International School of the Church, which trains pastors and teams to plant churches and take the churches to new levels of growth; a business course…” – Top 10 Qualities Of A Great Leader, 2007.

It is also mentioned online here (emphasis mine),

“Ministries of Christian City Church include: School of Creative Arts, Pastoral Care and Counseling College, the International School of the Church, Jesus Television, and Seam of Gold Recording.” – Top 10 Qualities of a Great Leader, Books Express, Biographical Note, http://www.books-express.ro/book/9781577949398/Top-10-Qualities-of-a-Great-Leader.html. (Accessed 08/02/2012)

And on this website as well (emphasis mine),

“Ministries of Christian City Church include: School of Creative Arts, Pastoral Care and Counseling College, the International School of the Church, Jesus Television, and Seam of Gold Recording.” – Top 10 Qualities of a Great Leader, eCampus, Author Biography, http://www.ecampus.com/top-10-qualities-great-leader-pringle-phil/bk/9781577949398. (Accessed 08/02/2012)

It is also mentioned in this online Harrison House Spring 09 catalogue (emphasis mine),

“DR. PHIL PRINGLE is an author, songwriter, artist, and Senior Minister of one of Australia’s fastest growing churches, Christian City Church in Oxford Falls, Australia, with over 4,000 members. Dr Pringle also oversees approximately 200 churches worldwide that make up Christian City Church International. Ministries of Christian City Church include: School of Creative Arts, Pastoral Care and Counseling College, the International School of the Church, Jesus Television, and Seam of Gold Recording. Pastor Pringle has spent over 30 years as a pastor, trainer, and leader, sending out hundreds of ministers to plant churches in major cities of the world.” – Harrison House Spring09 Catalogue, 2009. (Emphasis mine)

All we came across in our 11 hour search was Pringle promoting his ‘International School of the Church’. Above is all the information we could find. We don’t know where Phil Pringle’s school exists.

THE INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL IS NOT PROMOTED AT C3 COLLEGES

I personally attended the C3 College for three years from 2007 to 2009. Not once was the ISC ever promoted. Not once did I ever hear about it, (which is unusual for C3 not to market to international students in their colleges). This ISC does not exist at C3 or on the internet.

We encourage people to search for “International School of the Church” on the web. It can’t be found.

We can only come to 2 conclusions.

1. Phil Pringle promotes himself with this made up school. Or

2. The ISC has been renamed something else.

If the second option was true, then their would be some notification through the web or at the C3 College that there was a name change. We have found no information to say this has happened. I personally asked a C3 leader in the movement if they have heard of the ISC. They haven’t.

Even a C3 College lecturer is not aware of Pringle’s ‘International School of the Church’. Therefore, we are led to believe that the “International School of the Church” does not exist.

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About Phil Pringle: Well The Author Is Confusing & Misleading About His Colleges

09 Thursday Feb 2012

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We at C3 Church Watch have already questioned if the typo in Phil Pringle’s book Top 10 Qualities of a Great Leader, was a typo or not.

“Today, Dr. Phil Pringle oversees the approximately 1,200 churches that make up Christian City Church International throughout the world, a significant proportion planted directly from Christian City Church Oxford Falls.” – About the Author DR. PHIL PRINGLE, Top 10 Qualities of a Great Leader, 2007, pg. 227.

We discussed how flippant Phil Pringle is with his church statistics in this article:

Does Phil Pringle Distort Church Statistics For Personal Gain?

We have counted that he has 243 churches. Pringle updated his profile on his website last year, stating he ‘oversees the approximately 258 churches’, while in his services promotes he has ‘nearly five hundred’ churches in his movement. A commenter on C3 Church Watch has stated, ‘He [Phil Pringle] nearly always says it’s around 500’ (see comment section in the above link).

Phil Pringle released a new book last year called ‘Hope’ in 2011. Pringle writes (emphasis mine),

“He [Pringle] has overseen the planting of new churches in major cities throughout the world. Today, there are more than 300 C3 Churches around the globe, which collectively make up C3 Church Global, with a combined membership of more than 75,000. In addition to its renowned teaching ministry, C3 has an internationally acclaimed, accredited education program that includes kindergarten through high school, and offers baccalaureate degrees in disciplines that include:

  • The School of Ministry, which trains ministers and develops powerful ministries.
  • The School of Creative Arts, focusing in all disciplines of the arts.
  • The Pastoral Care and Counseling College.
  • The International School of the Church, which trains pastors and teams to plant churches and take the Word of God to new levels of growth.” – Phil Pringle, Hope, About The Author, 2011.

This information is not true. Previous articles have revealed that C3 does NOT have over 300 churches. What is also untrue is that NONE of his colleges offer courses that supply “baccalaureate degrees”. The last degree students finished at the end of 2009 and graduated in summer school, February 2010. The graduation ceremony was in April and May. C3 Colleges no longer were running any more degree classes onsite in 2010. Why?

PERSONAL TESTIMONY

When I was involved at C3 Creative Arts College, C3 tried to establish an arts degree program. I was guaranteed that this was obtainable if I signed up for the arts degree program. They failed to get their program recognised.

However, they resulted in supplying creative arts students a theology degree program. However, when the Sydney College of Divinity investigated C3 College’s conduct on their theology degree program, they found many problems.

C3 were not to continue their theology degree program any more. I was with the last batch of students to obtain a degree from the C3 College.

PROOF C3 COLLEGES DO NOT PROVIDE DEGREE PROGRAMS

If none believe what I say, below is what the colleges offer.  Check out their college website here: http://www.c3college.com/main/. You will find that none offer “baccalaureate degrees”.

“COURSES OFFERED: ADVANCED DIPLOMA, DIPLOMA AND CERTIFICATE IV OF CREATIVE ARTS IN CHRISTIAN MINISTRY, SPECIALISING IN ACTING AND THEATRECRAFT” – C3 College, http://www.c3college.com/main/creative/acting-and-theatrecraft, (Accessed 07/02/2012).

“COURSES OFFERED: ADVANCED DIPLOMA, DIPLOMA AND CERTIFICATE IV OF CREATIVE ARTS IN CHRISTIAN MINISTRY, SPECIALISING IN CONTEMPORARY MUSIC / VOCALS AND WORSHIP LEADING” – C3 College, http://www.c3college.com/main/creative/contemporary-music-vocals-and-worship-leading, (Accessed 07/02/2012).

“COURSES OFFERED: ADVANCED DIPLOMA, DIPLOMA AND CERTIFICATE IV OF CREATIVE ARTS IN CHRISTIAN MINISTRY, SPECIALISING IN CONTEMPORARY SONGWRITING” – C3 College, http://www.c3college.com/main/creative/contemporary-song-writing, (Accessed 07/02/2012).

“COURSES OFFERED: ADVANCED DIPLOMA, DIPLOMA AND CERTIFICATE IV OF CREATIVE ARTS IN CHRISTIAN MINISTRY, SPECIALISING IN CONTEMPORARY VISUAL ARTS” – C3 College, http://www.c3college.com/main/creative/contemporary-visual-arts, (Accessed 07/02/2012).

“COURSES OFFERED: ADVANCED DIPLOMA, DIPLOMA AND CERTIFICATE IV OF CREATIVE ARTS IN CHRISTIAN MINISTRY, SPECIALISING IN CONTEMPORARY DANCE” – C3 College, http://www.c3college.com/main/creative/contemporary-dance, (Accessed 07/02/2012).

“COURSES OFFERED: ADVANCED DIPLOMA, DIPLOMA AND CERTIFICATE IV OF CREATIVE ARTS IN CHRISTIAN MINISTRY, SPECIALISING IN SCREEN PRODUCTION” – C3 College, http://www.c3college.com/main/creative/screen-production, (Accessed 07/02/2012).

C3’s Creative College reveals their Creative Arts Core Program does not offer “baccalaureate degrees”.

“Core Studies are on Tuesday and Thursdays in Certificate IV and Diploma and on Tuesdays in the Advanced Diploma, leaving the other days free for training in your chosen area of skill.”

Instead they offer,

“Core areas of study for all students over the one year full-time equivalent programme include:

Certificate IV

  • Christianity in Culture
  • Introduction to Worship
  • Personal Management
  • Industry Knowledge
  • Life in Ministry
  • Church Services and Events
  • Working in a Team
  • New Testament Survey
  • Old Testament Survey
  • The Book of Genesis
  • Bible Interpretation

Diploma

  • Models of Creativity
  • Communication & Conflict Resolution
  • Discovering Your Purpose
  • Copyright
  • Marriage and Family
  • The Book of Hebrews
  • Cross Cultural Ministry
  • School of the Holy Spirit
  • Advanced Ministry Principles
  • Survey of Christian Doctrine
  • Christian Ethics

Advanced Diploma

  • Advanced Leadership
  • Project Management
  • Training Others
  • Church Planting
  • Pastoral Theology
  • Theology and Film” – C3 College, http://www.c3college.com/main/creative/creative-arts-core-program, (Accessed 07/02/2012).

The C3 College Creative Stream (aka SCA) does not offer “baccalaureate degrees”.  The Leadership and Ministry Stream are no different. In Year 1, students get a Certificate IV in Leadership and Ministry courses.

In Year 2, students get a Diploma:

In Year 3, students get an Advanced Diploma. ‘Youth and Young Adults’ and ‘Pastoral Care’ is an elective within the Leadership and Ministry Stream. They do not offer “baccalaureate degrees”.

His online college and night schools also offer no “baccalaureate degrees”. No information can be found here at Night School (http://www.c3college.com/main/home/night-school) or C3 College Online (http://c3collegeonline.com/).

Therefore, we can conclude that Phil Pringle is misleading his readers into believing he offers quality education.

PRINGLE PURPOSELY CONFUSING READERS

It is not right for Phil Pringle to lump the educational quality of Oxford Falls Grammar School (OFGS) with his lack of quality education in his colleges:

“accredited education program that includes kindergarten through high school, and offers baccalaureate degrees in disciplines that include…”

OFGS may have students attend C3 Colleges after graduation and obtain scholarships. However, the educational quality is very different. Pringle’s 1985 Prospectus for his Ministry Training College says,

“We are not a “theological college” though we teach theology, nor even a “bible college” per se, but a ministry training college where students learn biblically how to be effective in the work force of Jesus.” – Ministry Training College Prospectus, 1985, pg 2.

An example of poor education for both colleges are as follows (more articles will be provided later):

C3 College & Dave Sumrall Teaching ‘All Sorts Of Evil’

C3 College: Misrepresenting The Gospel?

C3 has a track record of inviting some of the worst Christian teachers to speak at their colleges which they consider to be “most gifted and experienced ministers“.

CONCLUSION

If anyone has any information about the ISC, please email us at c3churchwatch@hotmail.com. We would like to look into this further if possible.

In relation to this, Pringle has misled his readers to believe…

1. That his church colleges offer “baccalaureate degrees” in:

     a) School of Ministry.

     b) School of Creative Arts “focusing in all disciplines of the arts”.

     c) The Pastoral Care and Counseling College.

     d) The International School of the Church.

2. That he oversees 300 C3 Churches when facts reveal this not to be the case.

It’s been more than a year for Pringle to know that his colleges do not run degree programs. We have constantly demonstrated that Pringle is flippant with the truth about the number of churches in his movement for his own convenience. If this is not intentional, then Pringle needs to stop failing the high standard he sets in his C3 Movement.

Pringle needs to explain why he misinforms readers about himself in his books.

If you feel lead to pray for Phil Pringle and the C3 Movement, please do. Please pray for Phil Pringle to be an accountable and responsible leader.

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