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Hiding the C3 Asheville scandal by replacing its oversight?

24 Friday Oct 2014

Posted by Nailed Truth in Uncategorized

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asheville, c3, c3 church, c3 church asheville, C3 ChurchAsheville, C3 Hub, Chris Rosebrough, Christian City Church, Fightin For the Faith, Instagram, Jurgen, Jurgen Matthesius, Matthesius, Phil Pringle, Pringle, Rosebrough

To gain the background of the C3 Asheville scandal, please read these articles:

C3 Asheville Scandal – C3 Pastor Facing Prison (Part 1)
C3 Asheville Scandal – C3 Pastor “Pleads Guilty In Bank Fraud Case” (Part 2)
C3 Asheville Scandal – Sweetmans Do Nothing Against Fraudulent C3 Pastor? (Part 3)

C3 Asheville Scandal – Four “People… Have Pleaded Guilty” Including “[C3] Minister… Nicholas Dimitris” (Part 4)
C3 Asheville Scandal – C3 ‘Pastor’ Nick Dimitris: The Liar (Part 5)
C3 Asheville Scandal – Massive Financial Judgment Against C3 Asheville Pastor Nick Dimitris (Part 6)
C3 Asheville Scandal – While Dean’s Playing Slick, Nick’s In The Knick (Part 7)
C3 Asheville Scandal – The Wolf & The Ostrich (Part 8)

It appears Phil Pringle and C3 has once again proven that they can sweep any scandal under the ever-expanding C3 rug.

Jurgen Matthesius put the following up on his Instagram account,

@philpringle & @chrisapringle honoring@deansweetman & @jillsweetman for 15 years of amazing leadership! #c3americas2014

Source: Jurgmeister, Instagram, http://instagram.com/p/sLuOOjCZcY/, Accessed 02/09/2014.

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‘C3 Church Hub’ also commented on this event,

| LEGACY | Tonight we honoured @deansweetman &@jillsweetman for 14 years as the Americas Overseers for C3. We are excited to have @lornetebbutt &@kellytebbutt as the overseers for Canada and@jurgmeister & @leannematthesius as the overseers for USA. The future is bright in the Americas! #2020vision #c3churchhub #c3vegas2014

Source: c3churchhub, Instagram, http://instagram.com/p/sLz6fIq56z/, Accessed 02/09/2014.

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If you click on the above screengrabs, you can see photos of the farewell/’passing on the baton’ ceremony.

ABOUT DEAN SWEETMAN

The C3 ‘leadership’ facade revealed on Instagram demonstrates just how questionable the C3 ‘evangelical industrial complex’ is. Did Dean Sweetman plant churches? Yes. But did Dean Sweetman lead C3 through “15 years of amazing leadership”?

The Sweetmans have 5 churches currently in –
Lawrenceville
Milton (North Atlanta)
Siverlake (LA)
North Hollywood (LA)
Grayson (Atlanta)
But at least 11 of Dean Sweetman’s C3 church plants or “grafts” that we know of, have failed, leaving a trail of hurt and broken people in their wake, including several divorced and bankrupt pastors. These broken people were members of C3 churches in Vegas, Walton County, Flowery Branch and Asheville.

In spite of the Sweetman’s obvious bad oversight, Jurgen Matthesius honours them for “15 years of amazing leadership”.

We should ask, does this give us insight to Jurgen Matthesius’ leadership integrity for the future?

ABOUT JURGEN MATTHESIUS

Jurgen Matthesius, pastor of C3 Church San Diego is the new C3 Church Americas Overseer. And quite frankly, this is the worst thing Phil Pringle could have done.

Is he even qualified to have oversight of a large numbers of churches that fall under the C3 Americas banner? The answer is a resounding ‘no’!

For a review of Jurgen Matthesius’ preaching, listen to this critique by Chris Rosebrough from Fighting for the Faith:

Fractured Bible Stories

Click Here to Download this episode

Program segments:

• Fractured Bible Stories with Robert Hotchkin, Jurgen Matthesius and David Crank
• Sermon Review: Pursuing Your Weird by Brian Manley at Narrate Church
Email your questions or comments to: talkback@fightingforthefaith.com

Source: Chris Rosebrough, Fractured Bible Stories, Fighting for the Faith, http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2014/08/fractured-bible-stories.html, Published 28/08/2014. (Accessed 05/09/2014.)

ABOUT PHIL PRINGLE

And now onto Phil Pringle.

Rather than help restore the sheep ruined by C3 Pastor, and now convicted felon, Nick Dimitris, did Phil Pringle deliberately turn a blind eye and change the C3 Church Americas Overseer to deal with the problem? Is he hoping this action may solve the issue at C3 Asheville (now called Asheville United)?

This move actually makes us wonder just how much involvement Phil Pringle had in assisting Dean Sweetman with his handling of the C3 Asheville scandal. Did he, like Pontius Pilate, wash his hands of the matter, and let Dean take full responsibility?

Can we assume he knew full well of the C3 Asheville scandal? Otherwise why did he get involved with the ceremonial transfer of the C3 oversight? And why was Dean Sweetman’s response to the C3 Asheville scandal, so similar to Phil Pringle’s ongoing responses to the CHC/Kong Hee scandal Phil Pringle is associated with (as CHC advisory pastor)? If our assessment is right – then, like Dean Sweetman, Phil Pringle is just as responsible for not dealing with the criminal behaviour of C3 pastor Nick Dimitris much sooner.

Was Dean just imitating the methods and behaviour of his spiritual mentor, Phil Pringle?

But here’s the irony. While it appears that Phil Pringle is trying to distance the C3 movement from the C3 Asheville scandal, he is still more than happy to work with and be endorsed by his own mentor, good friend and convicted felon, David Yonggi Cho.

“Dr Phil Pringle is an honoured member of The Board of Directors for ‘Church Growth International’, and I have had the pleasure of knowing his great faith and trust in the Lord as he and his lovely wife are moving onward and upward with The Lord Jesus Christ” Dr Yonggi Cho, Chairman ‘Church Growth International’

Source: David Yonggi Cho, Phil Pringle, My C3 Church, http://www2.myc3church.net/phil-pringle, (Accessed 06/09/2014.)

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Well done, Phil Pringle and Dean Sweetman! Only great prophets and overseers like you can absolve all responsibility and issues at C3 Asheville (and CHC) but foster a culture of unquestionable loyalty to questionable men.

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Phil Pringle Endorsing Problematic Steve Furtick for Presence Conference 2012

17 Friday Feb 2012

Posted by Nailed Truth in C3 & Pringles Associations, C3 Ministry, Other, Pringle's Influences

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c3, c3 church, c3 global, C3i, ccc, Chandler, Chris Rosebrough, Code Orange, Code Orange Revival, Confessions of a Pastor, COR, Ed Young, Ed Young Jr., Fightin For the Faith, Furtick, Heresy Olympics, James MacDonald, Matt Chandler, Noble, Perry Noble, Phil Pringle, Presence, Presence Conference, Presence Conference 2012, Rosebrough, Sola Sisters, Steve Furtick, Steven Furtick, T.D.Jakes, td jakes, Young

Once again, Pringle chooses a preacher based on popularity rather than accountability. Pastor Steve Furtick is a controversial pastor that is highly abusive and very controlling. Below is the latest news on Steve Furtick and his Code Orange Revival incident. Phil Pringle is clearly oblivious to the teachers, what they taught at this meeting and the Furtick fiasco behind the scenes,

“Watchng #CodeOrangeRevival http://bit.ly/zHRTZp WOW! So look 4ward 2 Steve Furtick wit us #Presence2012 10th-13th Aprl http://bit.ly/yylQEb” – Phil Pringle, https://twitter.com/#!/philpringle/status/159429028732874752, 18/01/2012.

HAS PHIL PRINGLE LOOKED AT STEVE FURTICK’S TRACK RECORD?

Steve Furtick has continually proven to demonstrate strong intolerance towards his critics and expresses his disgust to them. His video ‘Hey Haters’ reveals his hypocrisy and immaturity. The video he made reveals how little tolerance he has towards his critics:

He has demonstrated hostility to his own congregation for being disciples and those wanting to know more about Jesus.

In the above sermon, he is noted for also saying,

“If you know Jesus, I am sorry to break it to you, this church is not for you.” – Steve Furtick, Confessions of a Pastor

Quick reminder, he is speaking at C3 Presence Conference. He also says,

“We don’t teach from Books of the Bible because it gets in the way of evangelism. We don’t offer different kinds of Bible studies because it gets in the way of evangelism. We don’t teach doctrine because it gets in the way of evangelism.

If you want to be fed God’s word or have the Bible explained to you then you are a fat lazy Christian and you need to shut up and get to work or you need to leave this church because we ONLY do evangelism.” – Steven Furtick

In saying this, Furtick is rebelling against God’s Word and is going against the great commission that Jesus himself says (emphasis mine),

“Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

While loving each other and evangelising the world are good things, we need to be careful to tightly hold onto the truth at all costs otherwise the church will be thrown by every wind and wave of doctrine (Ephesians 4). Furtick’s extreme focus on evangelism and emergent Christianity has him breach the following scriptures: John 21:15-17, Luke 10:38-42, Matthew 28:19-2, John 8:31-32, Acts 2:42, Titus 1:7-10, Titus 2:1-10, 2 Timothy 4:1-4, 1 Corinthians 1:18-25.

We have seen the toll of Furtick not remaining theologically faithful. He has endorsed some abusive leaders and heretics for his code Orange Revival 2012. We will see in his Code Orange Revival why it was labelled the Heresy Olympics.

WHAT HAPPENED AT FURTICK’S CODE ORANGE REVIVAL?

While Phil Pringle was wowed by Steve Furticks Code Orange Revival (COR), Chris Rosebrough from ‘Fighting For The Faith’ was appalled by the heresy that was present there. Rosebrough has addressed some problematic key speakers  in the past. These included speakers TD Jakes, Perry Noble, Ed Young Jr and James MacDonald just to name a few. Listen to his commentaries on the COR here amidst the Matt Chandler sensorship issue:

BREAKING NEWS: Code Orange Coverup?? **Updated**

Code Orange Revival Weekend 1 Recap

BREAKING NEWS: Elevation Employee Reveals Reason For Chandler Sermon Censorship

Is Steven Furtick the One Whom the Prophets Longed to See?

Code Orange, Revival or Deception?

Code Orange Revives Mythology

Laying Hold of Eisegetical Nonsense

The Antidote to Antichrist’s Anti-Truth

2012 Heresy Olympics Medal Ceremony

Chris Rosebrough observed the reaction of Steve Furticks body language to Matt Chandlers sermon. Rosebrough got straight to the point and addressed Steven Furtick’s bad behaviour stating,

“He’ll [Steven Furtick] tolerate any gospel except for the biblical gospel. Yeah, if that isn’t the case then why did he hack that out? Why did he hack it out? That was his first impulse and that’s exactly what he did. He was NOT happy – and you can see it in his body language, you can see it in what subsequently happened with him hacking it out. And the final thing was, well, he was caught red handed. And so he had to make the decision to put the sermon back in through the rebroadcasts at 10:12 and 12:12.” – Chris Rosebrough, Code Orange Revival Weekend 1 Recap: 17:58, http://0352182.netsolhost.com/F4F011612.mp3, 16/01/2012.

The behaviour, decisions and actions of Steve Furtick do highlight his personal issues with proper theological preaching and highlights his immaturity as a pastor.

The Sola Sisters from http://solasisters.blogspot.com.au, also looked to see what happened at the event regarding Chandler and Furtick. Below is their article.

Matt Chandler Goes To Code Orange Where He Exalts Christ, Confronts Narcissistic Man-Centered Preaching, and *poof* He’s Gone

Posted by Christine Pack

For those unaware of the latest brouhaha in Evangelicalism, let me first lay out the facts. Steven Furtick, megachurch pastor at Elevation Church in Charlotte, North Carolina, is currently hosting a revival which is running from January 11-22 and is promoted as “a 12 night worship experience to set the stage for 2012.” The event is entitled “Code Orange” to indicate, according to Elevation Church’s website, “a heightened sense of urgency….something significant is about to happen.” The line-up of speakers for Code Orange includes Craig Groeschel, Jentezen Franklin, Matt Chandler, Christine Caine, Ed Young, Israel Houghton, Perry Noble, James MacDonald, T.D. Jakes, etc.

So Matt Chandler, pastor of The Village Church in Highland, Texas, and one of the invited speakers at Code Orange, stood up at Elevation Church and delivered what turned out to be a barn burner of a sermon. In his distinctive delivery style (that is to say, humble, loving, direct and at times laugh-out-loud funny), Chandler took aim at the kind of preaching that has been so aptly termed “Narcissistic Eisegeis,” and at which Steven Furtick, and so many others in the seeker sensitive movement, excel.

“For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.” 2 Timothy 4:3-4

Narcissistic Eisegesis (“Narcigesis”) = Forcing the Bible to mean something you already want it to mean by superimposing yourself into the meaning of the passage, rather than interpreting Scripture for what it means about God, and letting the Scripture simply speak for itself. Conversely, seeking to understand Scripture for what it reveals about God is known as Exegesis, and is also sometimes referred to as the “Literal” or “Grammatical-Historical” approach to interpreting Scripture. Example: The Narcissitic Eisegesis version of David and Goliath would be about you fighting your personal “giants” (i.e., problems, difficulties, setbacks, etc.). The Exegetical approach to interpreting David and Goliath would reveal, instead, an historical account of David’s faith and God supernaturally intervening in an impossible situation for his own glory.

Matt Chandler,
Pastor of The Village Church

Now, back to Elevation Church, Code Orange, and Matt Chandler’s sermon. First of all, before the letters start, I am aware that Matt Chandler is affiliated with Acts 29, has contemplative authors on his site and has claimed audible words from God. I’m not putting a stamp of approval on any of that by posting Chandler’s sermon. The church is in a big muddle today, and I truly do think that we’re in the end times deception, such that even the elect might be deceived. But here’s a thought: maybe part of that playing itself out is that some will appear to be slipping, but when push comes to shove, will stand up and preach Jesus Christ and him crucified. The desire, of course, is for the ones who appear to be slipping to demonstrate that their feet are firmly planted on the Rock of our Salvation – Christ – and it appears to me that Matt Chandler is demonstrating just that. Because really, for Chandler to go to Elevation Church and preach as he did? To stand up before thousands and thousands of people, knowing that his message would not be well received? That could not have been easy, and it demonstrates a fear of God, rather than a fear of man. So the sermon rocked, Christ was exalted, and man was humbled. I can only speak for myself, but I personally need sermons that pierce me and break me and make me lie down on the floor, repenting and crying, and also remind me of the only hope that I have, which is not that I can be great and conquer problems but that God is great and has made a way for wretched sinners (like me) to be reconciled to himself.

But now for the controversial part. Chandler’s sermon was immediately pulled from the Code Orange rebroadcasts. This was pointed out by several Christian writers, including Chris Rosebrough of Fighting for Faith and Ken Silva of Apprising Ministries. Then, the sermon reappeared in subsequent rebroadcasts with a cryptic message from Elevation’s graphic designer about a decision being made to “reformat the content” for the purpose of focusing “the broadcast on Jesus.”

So we’ll let you be the judge. Matt Chandler’s sermon is posted above, where you can listen to it in its entirety. Was this a sermon that should have been pulled because it did not focus on Jesus?
Do you honestly think Pringle knows enough about Steve Furtick to have him speak at Presence Conference 2011? Do we really need this man to influence thousands of Christians in Sydney?

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