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C3 Presence Conference 2015 HeresyReel: Day 1 Session 4 – Phil Pringle

09 Saturday May 2015

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This is one of a series of articles covering the absurdity preached at Presence Conference 2015. We are broadcasting these HeresyReels to discourage you from accepting the messages from the clearly false teachers invited to speak at these C3 Presence Conferences  –  remember, just because they are “popular” does not mean they are legitimate.

In each snippet reel, we have blacked out sections to represent a new section. If you do not want to watch the whole thing, please read the sections we summarise below. This means you may want to progress to that section in the video to save time.

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At Presence Conference 2015, Stephen Furtick preached first on opening night. Watch him here:

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DISCLAIMER: These are notes. Feel free to discuss or correct any errors you may see in the sections below. Furthermore, it is up to C3 to publish these sessions if people are insisting that we are taking “teachers” out of context. We were shut down by these types of “churches” on YouTube for putting up entire sermons so that people could see what was said in context. However, if you browse the content in these Presence Conference sessions it should be evident that there is lot of bible twisting. So please see the overall picture before accusing us of taking one snippet out of context.

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SECTION 1: Comments about how cool churches lack religious images. Plugs his daughters “PK (Pastors Kids) Session”). Plugs C3 merchandise and is showcasing his own painted cross. (2:10) Mocks critics after gaslighting people into buying his merchandise. (However, it appears he may be mocking his own C3 Constitution which states “You shall not use or allow the pulpit to be used to: a) promote commercial ventures; b) promote political beliefs; c) do anything of a lewd, corrupt or heretical nature; d) to vent personal needs, injustices, angers or business ventures.“)

SECTION 2: *PRINGLE’S SHEEPSKIN 1* Pringle says that just like Paul he wants to know nothing more than Christ and Him crucified (CAHC). If he does not focus on CAHC, Pringle rightly says that other knowledge fogs and clouds the message. Let’s use this statement agains the rest of his message. Is this true? Does his message reflect the idea that Phil Pringle only wants to know Christ and Him crucified? How much does he reveal how much he knows about CAHC? is that his focus?

“And I found that churches and Christians so easily get distracted from the one thing that really, really matters. Because it is an insult to your intelligence to be that simple. To think that it could be just about one man in the history of the world… And I am hear tonight to point you to none other than the Lord Jesus Christ as being the answer.”

And in the same breath shuts the kingdom of God in people’s faces by not preaching Christ crucified.

SECTION 3: *PRINGLE’S SHEEPSKIN 2*

“I gotta tell you, the Holy Spirit would be offended if we put Him at the center. He has come for one reason and that is to testify and to glorify and to magnify Jesus Christ. “

SECTION 4: Narcigetes the historical account of Elizabeth meeting Mary.

“Something leaps inside of you when you meet a person who is divinely destined to assist you in your assignment. Thirty years later, John and Jesus are doing something that will change the world.”

(Pringle is defaulting to preaching not Christ but YOU when in fact that scripture is about John the Baptist pointing his first witness (his mother) to Jesus. And no – Jesus and John were not attempting to change the world but to save the world.)

[Continued] “And if that relationship had been destroyed or damaged on the way through who knows what could have happened.

And that is blasphemy.

SECTION 5: Pringle reveals that his authority is in man not God:

“I am the person that I am today, not because of me but because of thousands of people. All these volunteers here. The heroes of this conference are the volunteers.”

This is not only revealing, it is also a lie. Those “thousands of people” are mainly C3 college students who are forced to serve the Presence Conference because their courses make Presence Conference compulsary to serve in. And we know first hand that Pringle is ropable if he does not get the professional standard he wants from certain students at his Presence Conference.

“They are the people who are in the carpark. They are out there doing there things and they’ve got something that leapt on the inside of them and say, “I want to be part of a divine purpose”.

This is a lie again. Some students are passing to complete their ministry training hours assessment. It’s also a blasphemous suggestion to convince people that your conference is part of God’s “divine purpose”. This is a type of teaching cults teach.

Then Pringle is preaching about you and your dreams and how to keep your dreams alive. (He is not preaching Christ and Him crucified.)

Notice: The ‘river’ is now people “flowing in our lives”. It is no longer the Spirit of God.

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“Miracles are about to flow like a river in here in ten minutes. I would maybe have a hundred miracles on the inside of me tonight that are ready to be released. I literally feel them on the inside of me like – jumping around kinda saying, “Get to it! Get to it!”

“And if you are looking for a mira- I know this! There are couples here tonight who cannot have children. We’re going to pray for you and within twelve months, you’ll have children. You’ll have babies.”

Pringle deliberately drops pinkles:

“I’m not good at a lot of things but I’m good at that. I don’t know how to say that but I’ve got babies all over the world.”

SECTION 7: Describes unbiblical characteristics of Adam and Eve: “… human beings of God. Magnificently standing. Glorious. Clothed with light. Intelligence beyond any thought we could have. Living in sheer glory and presence of God.

SECTION 8: *PRINGLE’S SHEEPSKIN 3* Performs his recital gimmick to amp people up to get ready to receive from God. Musicians are rehearsed to psych crowds up to Pringle’s gimmick.

SECTION 9: Gets up women to pray for them to have babies. (Accidentally knocks cross off the platform.) 

SECTION 10: Randomly calls out to a middle aged woman (someone invisible person out there in the audience) to get her “very bad right hip” healed.

SECTION 11: Pringle encourages people to, “Come with me on a journey into the miraculous”.

“You’ll never find a God that performs ‘convenient miracles’ or even dignified ones.”

SECTION 12: Prophesies on a man saying “You will make a lot of money”. But God fails to communicate logically in this prophecy (see below).

Prophecy: “I see you in a room of politicians. You’re talking to them about passing laws… And in the name of Jesus, you’ll declare what he is showing you. And you will not be afraid to mention the name of Jesus. That name opens every door. That name is the door!”

“Babies. I pray for four babies in Jesus name.”

SECTION 13: Pringle parallels the woman on stage coming to himself to the women having an issue with blood coming to Jesus. It is interesting watching how Pringle wiggles out of the comparison he just made. (Would the Holy Spirit who is supposedly in Phil Pringle honestly say something so grossly out of line? Isn’t the Spirit meant to point people to Jesus – not Phil Pringle? Why is this the Phil Pringle show?)

SECTION 14: Pringle tries to rev crowd through irrational logic.

SECTION 15: Pringle says he wants people to raise their spiritual stamina and says that he wants people to see him as their own “personal spiritual trainer here”.

“There is a river in this room right here. If we just open up right here.”

What is this foggy teaching? Is he pointing people to Jesus or this people/dreamy/miracle-centered river? Or is he pointing people to the river of Phil Pringle where you can receive hundreds of miracles from his river?

SECTION 16: A woman he blows on gets overwhelmed, upset and can’t communicate why she’s crying out of control. Pringle tries to guess what on earth is wrong with her, says flimsy words and moves on.

SECTION 17: Prays over women, raises hands over her and talks about an operation she is going to receive on Monday and then declares “maybe not”. Declares healing over her. Casts out sickness and demons: “I rebuke every spirit out of this woman’s life. Get out! Loose her!”

SECTION 18: Asks young people to come up for healing if they have “problem with both [their] ankles ankles” (“more on the right one then the left one”). He says this person may have difficulty walking or running. Pringle tells them to quickly get up on the stage or he’ll move. Could the Holy Spirit be any more insensitive?

SECTION 19: Pringle gives us insight how he knows people are incredibly desperate to receive healings from incurable healings in his meetings.

“And some people have a problem with the supernatural and miracles. I don’t know why. Because it’s probably because you haven’t been sick yet with an incurable disease. It’s probably because you’re still pretty healthy. But if you’re sick, it really matters. These people have got a problem here.”

However, the people behind him have sore ankles. Harshly pushed people down with bad ankles and they seem to fall painfully fast. One girl who stays standing Pringle says to bash her ankles together to get healed and says, “You got about a twenty per cent miracle”.

So much for Pringle’s god performing “convenient miracles”.

Rosebrough reviews Pringle’s infomercial sermon: Is Phil Pringle your Ezekiel’s Angel?

09 Monday Mar 2015

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Chris Rosebrough reviews another sermon from Phil Pringle of Christian City Church (C3 Church). What’s breath-taking  about this review was how Phil Pringle took one biblical text and used it as an infomercial for his Presence Conference. And of even greater concern, we have Phil Pringle sharing his “angelic experiences” and what he heard God say about Phil Pringle’s heavenly-appointed Presence Conference. The gross manipulation did not stop there. Chris Rosebrough pointed out this creepy comment made by Phil Pringle:

Angel Pringle“And I share that with you because you got- you need to know that when we read the Bible – like just what we read- that was an angel leading Ezekiel deeper and deeper.

And there are angels who want to take you and lead you deeper and deeper. And if we can follow that- And if you can think of me maybe – just now – as that angel, measuring out 1500 metres for you to walk to get knee deep and then another 1500 – c’mon! Let’s go a little deeper.

C’mon! Let’s go all the way – for your sake. We’re not going to lead you into things that’ll hurt ya – that are bad for ya or that kind of thing. We only have your best interest and the Kingdom of God in our hearts. And one thing that we are desperate for is not just for every individual here to get blessed but our whole church to be blessed. And our whole movement around the world – C3 Global – to get touched and empowered for a whole new day, to go to a whole new level in Jesus’ name.“

Source: Phil Pringle, Awakening 2, My C3 Church, “Awakening – Part 2” – Phil Pringle, http://www2.myc3church.net/videos/awakening-%E2%80%93-part-2-phil-pringle, 60:50-61:45, 14/04/2013 PM.

Click the link below to hear the sermon review at 1:10:45 mark….

Awakening

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Program segments:

• Amanda Wells’ Prophetic “Insight” • Robert Hotchkin Preaches At Patricia Kings “Church” • Steve Munsey Buttresses Benny Hinn’s “Healing” Ministry • Sermon Review: Awakening 2 by Phil Pringle of C3

Source: Chris Rosebrough, Fighting for the Faith, http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2015/02/awakening.html, 17/02/2015. (Accessed 09/03/2015.)

Warning Of Fascist Trends Coming To C3 Global Presence Conference 2014: “Wake up Church, this is not Christianity!”

03 Monday Feb 2014

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The fascist practices and philosophies emerging from the mega-church cults like C3, CHC and Hillsong church should concern Christians everywhere. They are unafraid to use propaganda and fuhrer-prinzip methodologies. They elevate arts, experience and feelings over logic and reason. They propagate the cult of youth and use the size of their ‘volkish’ community to bully Christians into submitting to their strong leadership and movements.

Sound extreme? Are we exaggerating the phenomenon? Are we making this up? Sadly, this is all too real. They may not realise it but these movements are built on the same community-identification principles that characterised the fascist movements in Europe in the 1920’s and 1930’s. Be aware that fascism isn’t to be confused with policies. Italian Fascism and German National Socialism were primarily personality cults where the vision of the leader must be implemented … the policies tended to be indistinguishable from socialism/communism. They were populist policies that played to the masses. The real danger is not where a Brian Houston or a Phil Pringle would take their organisations. The real danger is in whoever comes after them. C3 and Hillsong have set a precedent in Australia for the vision-casting leader who must be obeyed … or else!

Louie Giglio is speaking this year at Phil Pringle’s C3 Global Presence Conference 2014. Oddly enough, it has been observed that Giglio’s ministry also has fascist trends emerging from their movement. Please warn people how dangerous this man’s ministry is. Please also warn Christians the dangers of Phil Pringle’s Presence Conference.

Fascist Trends of Passion 2014

I cannot unpack all of the complexities of ideological fascism in this blog post and how it has revived under the name of postmodernism in our day and popular culture. 2 years in the works at HBP is an upcoming film on Fascism and the Postmodern church. See our full-length interview with Dr. Gene Edward Veith,Postmodernism, Fascism and the Church.

When people think of fascism today they think of Hitler, anti-semitism, the Holocaust, genocide, racism, militarism and the Nazis. Today, the word “Fascist” has been deduced to an insulting label for vilifying political enemies, but its true nature is greatly misunderstood. While Hitler and the Axis powers were defeated militarily in WWII, fascist ideology remains alive and well today under a new name.

Popular contemporary Christianity also appears to be emerging into something new. Much like the mainstream of European prefascist theology, many mainline church denominations have been turning away from transcendence and the Scriptures in favor of a spirituality based upon immanence, cultural activism, and existentialism. Many churches that were once committed to a high view of the teachings of Jesus and His apostles are now shifting their focus toward experience, emotionalism and communalism. In many ways, Christianity may be the strongest defense against fascism, but it may also be its point of entry. (See Veith’s book Modern Fascism: The Threat to the Judeo Christian Worldview and Chris Rosebrough’s lecture Resistance is Futile: You Will Be Assimilated into the Community)

Along with Darwinism and Existentialism, Romanticism was also a key component of the counter-Enlightenment worldview of ideological fascism. Romanticism emphasized inspiration and subjectivity as a reaction against alienation and the rationalism that characterized the Enlightenment. This movement in arts and literature reasserted the value of nature by explaining it with experience and emotions as opposed to reason, intellect and rationality.Passion, not reason, was uniquely “natural.”

Fascism rejected the concept of the individual. Nature, emotion and community become the emphasis of the fascist spirituality of immanence. In order to achieve this group identity, fascism was often characterized by grandiose public rallies. Hitler is pictured surrounded by people in panoramic shots of the community. “We have a community,” says Giglio in this Passion 2014 promo.

The group becomes the living organism or organic community. What you will find emphasized on the Passion 2014 website is not teaching the observance of everything Jesus commanded but the fascist themes of immanence (“God’s presence”) and community (“united”):

TWO GATHERINGS. ONE HEARTBEAT. THE JESUS GENERATION UNITED. . . .

Last year, our US gathering drew more than 60,000 students and leaders from around the world to the Georgia Dome in Atlanta. We were blown away by God’s presence. (source)

Rather than appealing to doctrine and objective truth, there is much talk and reliance upon feelings, emotions, action and movement. In fascism and postmodernism alike, emotionalism takes the place of logic. If objective truth and morality is alienating, then subjective experience is uniting.

Fascists did not know where this progressive revolution was going, but they believed anychange or any movement was better. Hitler uses the phrase “the Movement” over two hundred times in Mein Kampf and a Nazi Party journal was entitled Die Bewegung (The Movement).1 Similarly, the Postmodern Emerging Church has no fixed destination but is about action and movement. Likewise, the Passion 2014 event is described as a “movement.” Louie Giglio says, “More than an event, Passion is a movement,” in this Passion 2014 promo video.

The themes of the Passion movement and Passion 2014 are distinctly fascist. Christian Post reports:

The Passion 2014 Atlanta Conference kicked off at Philips Arena in Atlanta Friday with over 20,000 university students attending the two-day event from around the world.

Students from over 1,200 universities and 33 countries attended this year’s Passion conference in Atlanta. This is the first of Passion’s two large-scale gatherings this year in North America for 18-25 year olds. Passion 2014 Houston will be held on February 14-15 at the Toyota Center.

Passion 2014 brings together several internationally renowned pastors, teachers and worship leaders. Joining Passion founders Louie and Shelley Giglio in Atlanta will be John Piper, Christine Caine, and Francis Chan. Grammy award winning artists and worship leaders Chris Tomlin and Matt Redman, are slated to lead worship, along with David Crowder, Kristian Stanfill, Christy Nockels and Hillsong United. (source)

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Notice the event attendance is limited to ages 18-25 year old. The English fascist James Barnes wrote, “the present Weltanschauung of fascism may be summed up in one word–youth.”2 Belgian and Romanian fascisms both originated in student movements and the youth were also predominant in fascisms in France, Spain, Italy and England.3 Calling to mind Hitler Youth and German youth culture, Jonah Goldberg writes,

Historically, fascism is of necessity and by design a form of youth movement, and all youth movements have more than a whiff of fascism about them. The exaltation of passion over reason, action over deliberation, is a naturally youthful impulse.4

Last year, the Passion 2013 was an event for young Christians. These Christian conferences that fill stadiums with thousands of people reflect the subjective experience and emotional fulfillment of fascism that comes from losing one’s identity in a larger organic mass community. Judah Smith emphasized the importance of community all throughout his sermon.

The musical performances are very emotional with an emphasis on experiencing God’s presence and the heart rather than the mind. The audience joins in a common experience, feeling and responding as one. These stunning spectacles complete with light shows and music, much like the grandiose public rituals and mass rallies of fascism, actually create community. See here where the “presence” of God, tasting, seeing, and subjective feelings/”experience” are elevated, the fascist marks of immanence over objective truth and rationality.

The consequences of these fascist ideas will unleash a monster. Events like this are raising up a generation that cannot think or reason for themselves. We are seeing a picture that mirrors that of the culture of Continental Europe just prior to WWII. Wake up Church, this is not Christianity!

Source: Elliott Nesch, Fascist Trends of Passion 2014, Holy Bible Prophecy, http://www.holybibleprophecy.org/2014/01/20/fascist-trends-of-passion-2014/, 20/01/2014. (Accessed 25/01/2014.)

And God Told Pringle That Kong Would Not Be “Behind Bars”

26 Sunday Jan 2014

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We hope that Senior District Judge See Kee Oon takes note of Mr Foong claiming God spoke to him saying, “Son, speak to the judge”.

Foong later claimed, “initially I was quite upset, but then I know where they are coming from… They are definitely very troubled”. The “troubled” that Foong mentioned were “two defendants” that “came to [his] office seeking prayer”. So God wanted Foong Daw Ching to say to the judge that those two defendants are “are definitely very troubled”?

Who does Foong Daw Ching think he is?

Isn’t this cult-like behaviour to use God to speak like this to a judge? In Foong’s mind, who is this judge to now think he has the right to have an opinion on these “two defendants” contrary to what God said to him?

And since God is speaking to Foong Daw Ching, why doesn’t he ask God to fix his faulty memory so he can help the court?

We bring this to our readers attention for this reason: CHC’s Advisory Pastor, CHC ‘Apostle’ and ‘Prophet’ gave this “Apostolic proclamation and blessing” over Kong Hee and Sun Ho back in his 2011 Presence Conference.

“In Jesus name, Father we pronounce victory. [Crowd cheers]. We pronounce conquering. We pronounce deliverance in JESUS NAME. NOT ONE NIGHT WILL THIS FAIR HEAD SPEND BEHIND BARS. LORD GOD YOUR NAME IS EXALTED. YOU WILL GLORIFY THE NAME OF JESUS to this great man and his wife and that awesome church that they have built by the power of God and in the name of Jesus…” [Read/Listen to more here]

We’ve revealed that Phil Pringle of the C3 Church movement has mislead the general Singaporean public about his past, which has led many in CHC to believe he is an “Apostle”. We have continually revealed that Pringle has uttered false prophecies proving he is a false prophet. We have continually exposed how he uses his platform, prophecies and pouts to discredit anyone who has issues with his leadership. In fact, we know that he has huge issues with people (especially his leaders) visiting our site. In his eyes (or God’s) we are “very troubled”. And Pringle’s henchmen and members continually defend what “God is doing” at C3 and dismiss those that oppose them as “troubled”. This attitude is also evident as we have now seen in CHC leadership.

Is this not the height of arrogance? Should we be surprised the world mocks the church for this ludicrousy? Should we be shocked that Jesus calls those who “prophesy”, those who claim to “hear God” and “speak on his behalf” “lawless ones”? (Matt 7:15-23.)

We hope that the court comes to realise they are not dealing with a biblical ‘elder’.  They are not dealing with ‘pastors’ of a ‘church’. They are dealing with leaders of a cult. This means Foong Daw Ching fails the biblical requirements laid out in Titus 1:5-9. Specifically, he is disqualified as an elder (see bold),

“This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. For an overseer, as God’s steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.”

A true biblical elder would NOT remain in a church like CHC that continually desecrates the name of Jesus, His gospel and His Word. As we’ve seen, the CHC leadership is not even faithful with the basic handling of God Himself and His Holy scriptures. If a cult like this can get away with mishandling the basics of the Christian faith (either deliberately or unintentionally), it is only a matter of time before they are back in the courts over another issue that is badly mishandled. The Singaporean churches and the government need to approach issues within CHC with much wisdom.

The Straits Times reports,

Auditor: God told me to speak to the judge

SINGAPORE – Court proceedings for the City Harvest trial kicked off on Thurday with a surprise request by prosecution witness Foong Daw Ching to tell the judge “something from my heart”.

Senior District Judge See Kee Oon allowed it.

Mr Foong said that while he was sleeping the night before, “this voice kept coming to me, and as a Christian, I believe this voice must be from God. He said, ‘Son, speak to the judge.'”

The 63-year-old auditor said he was “hurt” that in the past few days, the defence accused him of distancing himself from City Harvest Church. He then pointed out that two of the accused had, in fact, taken advantage of him during a recent meeting.

Mr Foong had met John Lam and Tan Ye Peng last December to discuss the case. It was revealed this week that the two church leaders filed their own notes on what Mr Foong said in case he changed his tune.

Mr Foong said they did not tell him they were taking notes. They had asked to meet him to pray together, and he agreed as he is “an elder and a Christian counsellor”.

“Two of the defendants came to my office seeking prayer, yet they took the opportunity to record, thinking that I may say something otherwise.. for some safety,” he said.

When he found out about this during the trial, “initially I was quite upset, but then I know where they are coming from… They are definitely very troubled”, he said.

Mr Foong also wanted to restate what he knew about the six accused and City Harvest, but the judge disallowed it as the defence is still cross-examining him.

Defence lawyers have sought to show that church leaders looked up to Mr Foong and trusted his advice, and that his consistent denial that he gave them detailed guidance on various transactions was “breaking their hearts”.

Tessa Wong, Auditor: God told me to speak to the judge, The Straits Times, http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/auditor-god-told-me-speak-judge, Sep 22, 2013. (Accessed 27/01/2014.)

My! What Big Stories You Have!

18 Friday Oct 2013

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“When we have no room for the Word of God in our lives we have no room for success.” – Phil Pringle, Faith, 2001, pg 14.

‘Pastor’ Chris Pringle tells the story of she and Phil Pringle suffered tremendously… to obtain a $3.5 million house. (It’s tough having a knife in your heart.)

EDIT: If YouTube doesn’t load to the correct location, Chris gives her story at 36:00.

If you would like to see what their $3.5 million house looks like, read our article here:

My! What Big Faith You Have!

IS JESUS THE LORD OF YOUR FINANCIAL HARVEST?

Did Chris Pringle really have an encounter with Jesus? Would you listen to her ‘Lord of the Harvest’? The Apostle Paul has this to say to people like Phil and Chris Pringle:

“And what I do I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of [Phil and Chris Pringle] who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do. [Phil and Chris Pringle] are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.” 2 Corinthians 11:12-15. (ESV)

So if Prophetess Chris Pringle had Jesus speak to her, it is worth testing to see if she follows the true Jesus. This ‘Jesus’ of Chris Pringle revealed that he was Lord of the Harvest. Chris knew that this ‘Jesus’ was saying he was Lord of her financial harvest.

The only time we see Jesus mention the phrase ‘Lord of the Harvest’ is in Matthew 9. But to understand the context of this phrase, we need to understand that the early manuscripts did not chapter breaks. Matthew 9:35-38 and 10:1-7 reads:

And Jesus went throughout all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom and healing every disease and every affliction. When he saw the crowds, he had compassion for them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd. Then he said to his disciples, “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few; therefore pray earnestly to the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest.

And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every affliction. The names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; Simon the Cananaean, and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.

These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And proclaim as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’”

Here is the context:

      1. “Jesus went throughout all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom.”
      2. Jesus saw the crowds were, “harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd”.
      3. In response to what he saw, Jesus said to his disciples, “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few; therefore pray earnestly to the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest”.
      4. What did Jesus (the Lord of the Harvest) do? These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, “… Go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And proclaim as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’”

It is clear that Jesus is not telling his disciples he is “Lord” of their financial harvest. Jesus is only keen of harvesting souls for the kingdom. As Jesus says in Matthew 10: 8-10,

“You received without paying; give without pay. Acquire no gold nor silver nor copper for your belts, no bag for your journey, nor two tunics nor sandals nor a staff, for the laborer deserves his food.”

It is clear Jesus considers his disciples his labourers. It is clear that these labourer’s mission was to preach the gospel so that man can be saved. It is clear that Jesus did not have ‘prosperity’ on his mind when he commissioned them, he had salvation.

What Chris Pringle is peddling is classic Word of Faith heresy. Jesus’ ministry is all about saving souls. The only competent thing Chris Pringle’s Jesus can do is harvest the cash from people’s wallets.

CONCLUSION

So how should we conclude Chris Pringle’s antics? Did Chris see a demon parading as an “angel of light” and fell for its deception. Or is Chris purposely and deceitfully manipulating people to give hard earned money to the money-grubbing Miracle Offering?

What Did Kong Hope To Achieve By Misleading CHC To Think They Would Own A Stadium?

02 Monday Sep 2013

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This year at the 2013 C3 Global Presence Conference, Kong Hee made the following comment.

“I’ve learnt one thing about Pastor Phil: he’s a prophet of God. He’s very dangerous when he tells you that this building is created for you or built for you or developed for you. Because in 1995, he said the same thing to me. He said, “The SunTec Convention Center is- developed for you”.

And then, I just checked a video a few years- uh, just recently, Pastor Phil. In the year 2000 I think. Or 2001. You spoke to our entire congregation. And you said, “You know what? You guys are going to SunTec Convention Center”. And so we did. And all the troubles began.

So it’s all your fault, Pastor!” – Kong Hee, C3 Global Presence Conference, Day 1, Session 1, 2013.

Kong has made it clear that Phil Pringle has been saying that he will own the SunTec Convention Center. So why did Kong Hee mislead his congregation into thinking CHC would be moving into stadiums? Why was he purposely deceiving people rather than stating to his congregation that he had in mind of owning the Convention Center?

Here are some CHC members recalling a specific event where Kong Hee was misleading them into thinking they were going to moving into a future stadium.

“All the figures revealed about the expenditures for “Crossover” project are mind blowing!

What irks me is that Pastor Kong preached that the Arise and Build was for building God a great house, he showed pictures of huge stadiums even just prior to the point of announcing Suntec. And so we gave our best, our bonuses, our savings, our holidays.

Now we hear from their own mouths that all the money went into the Crossover. We’ve been executive members for more than 10 years and this is the first time we hear about our BF money being used for other purposes. We had to hear it from the courts!

To set the record straight, we never knew or even agreed for such use of the BF. We were all hoodwinked. We were all lied to. This is criminal. Since they have already admitted to using our BF in this manner, not for its original intended purpose, we are now considering a class action suit to get our money back plus damages. If Eng Han can get his all back, so should we. We don’t need to wait for the trail to be over. Anyone else with us? Any lawyers here to advise?

Looking at all the finances for the Crossover, something looks fishy. The amounts seems unusually inflated even for Hollywood standards. It obviously included non crossover expenses like Kong’s travel of $700k. I can’t help wonder if the amount paid to the people to work with Sun was exactly as stated or there is a mark up, commissions and middle man fees for a invisible go between, with the money lining the pockets of Kong and his team. They are surely capable of that!”

Source: CHC Confessions, Faecbook, https://www.facebook.com/CHCConfessions/posts/660357897316924, 30/08/2013. (Accessed 02/09/2013.)

Another CHC member wrote:

City Harvest Stadium?!?

After Pastor Kong Hee shared last week, about no longer just settling for any ol’ auditorium or concert hall… I think it is in the heart-beat of every City Harvest Church member:
GIVE US THAT STADIUM!!!

Hahaha!!! Especially when Pastor showed us the pictures of all the photos… WOW! It is absolutely mind-boggling & faith-stretching… but at the same time, very exciting!

This is my absolute favourite…

Allianz Arena

The Allianz Arena in Munich… Just look at the size of that!

So it is time for us all to see the great JOY ahead of us! 🙂

Source: Posted by Sandra, City Harvest Stadium?!?, http://sanses.com/2007/10/city-harvest-stadium-2/,31/10/2007. (Accessed 02/09/2013.)

We think the video we have below is what these commentors may be referring too. (Pay special attention to Kong encouraging people to use the New Age technique of visualisation.)

CHC Member Interviewed: “I’m Posting The Video… To Expose The Deception…”

06 Tuesday Aug 2013

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 The Breakfast Network recently reported the following:

BN Special: The man who posted the God-Kong Hee video speaks to Breakfast Network
The Youtube video clip that went viral showing City Harvest Church founder Kong Hee “speaking” to God was posted by a church member who said he did it to “expose Kong and his lies”.

In an exclusive interview with Breakfast Network, he said that the 3½-minute clip he uploaded was a recording of a sermon the senior church pastor had delivered during a religious conference in Australia in April last year. He said he had obtained the clip last year from C3 Church Watch, a group that monitors the activities of a Sydney-based church, whose founder Phil Pringle is currently an advisory pastor with City Harvest Church.

According to the member, who posted the clip on Youtube under the id “anointedforworship”, Kong had made the same remarks during a church service last year to City Harvest members as well. He said he decided to make it public only now because he wanted to “show the sublimal messages embedded in the sermon and delivered through the pulpit”.

The church member declined to be named as he is still currently worshiping at City Harvest Church. He told BN: “Just to be clear, I’m posting the video not to ‘destroy the church’ but to expose the deception within carried by certain individuals who go as far as to abuse the trust and authority given to them.

“I believe people need to be warned about deception, especially when it happens in church, to protect them.”

Since the clip was uploaded on Sunday, netizens have roundly condemned Kong’s remarks in which he compared his involvement in the ongoing court case to Jesus’ suffering. Along with five other church leaders, Kong is currently on trial for embezzling millions in church funds which he allegedly used to finance his wife’s singing career. The trial began in May and is expected to resume next month.

In the clip, which was recorded about two years after investigations into the alleged charges began in 2010, Kong also claimed that God spoke to him and apologized for putting him through the trial, and that it was necessary to “bring change to your generation”.

“For the first time in eight months, God, I heard Him cry. And he said ‘My son, Kong, thank you. Thank you for going through this’,” Kong told the unseen congregation.

“‘I need you to go through this alone, so that you and City Harvest Church can be the man and the ministry I call it to be. I’m so sorry, but you need to go through this by yourself, to bring a change to your generation.’”

So far, the clip has been viewed more than 69,000 times, with 54 Likes and nearly 2,000 viewers expressing their disapproval. A parody of the clip featuring pop group ABBA was posted by another Youtube user yesterday.

Netizens have slammed the recording as it was shared on Facebook and Twitter over the last two days. Youtube user “soulsessions” said of the clip: “What a load of bullshit”. Another user, “futurelady2k”, called it “Nonsense.”

In a report posted today, Yahoo! News said it had contacted City Harvest Church for a response but had yet to receive one. Other church members interviewed said the clip may have been misinterpreted or taken out of context.

Source: By Yen Feng, BN Special: The man who posted the God-Kong Hee video speaks to Breakfast Network, http://www.breakfastnetwork.sg/?p=6564, 30/08/2013. (Accessed 06/08/2013.)

Who Is Prophet Kong Hee Accountable To If He Publicly Belittles His CHC Eldership?

29 Monday Jul 2013

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At Presence Conference 2013, Kong Hee decided to belittle many of his “elders” in front of thousands of Christians. It appears Kong Hee only gets orders from Yonggi Cho (who is also currently under investugation for mishandling church finances) and Phil Pringle. Is this the way a ‘pastor’ should behave? Who is Kong Hee accountable too? Is he accountable to only Phil Pringle and Yonggi Cho?

Kong Hee also claimed that God spoke to him about Hebrews 13:5-6. This is what the passage actually says in it’s greater context:

“Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous. Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” So we can confidently say,

“The Lord is my helper;
I will not fear;
what can man do to me?”

Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God. Consider the outcome of their way of life, and imitate their faith. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings…” Hebrews 13:4-6

Consider Sun Ho’s sexually immoral ‘China Wine’ music video. Consider all of Kong Hee’s obsessive sermons on the topic of money. Does Kong Hee teach his members to “be content with what you have”? Isn’t it convenient for Kong Hee’s “God” to twist the scriptures to elevate the man Kong Hee? If an elder of his church came up and tried to correct Kong Hee, would Kong make fun of that elder at another church conference elsewhere around the world? As a leader of CHC, should we consider the outcome of Kong Hee’s way of life and imitate his faith?

Here is the video and the transcript.

“I came back from Korea and it really was strengthened by my time with Dr Cho and Ps Phil. Pastor Phil kept pumping faith into me. Pumping faith into me. “Come on Kong! Rise up in faith!”

You see for two years, I got to backtrack a little bit, for two years when this whole case happened, I was- I was depressed. I was down. And many of my elders and many of my leaders came to me and said, “Kong! It’s all your fault. Always preaching faith! And you must always have big visions and dreams! Why must you buy SunTec Convention Center? Why don’t you just be a nice- why can’t we be just nice group of people, have a small neighbourhood church- we have ten thousand people. Why don’t we just cruise? Why must you always preach about faith? Can you just stop preaching about faith for a while?”

So I said, “Alright. Let’s choose love.” So I start preaching about love. For two years I preach about love. Dr Cho and Ps Phil say, “Kong, enough about love [Audience laughs]. Get back to faith. Get back to faith. Get back to faith. Hallelujah! [Audience applauses] Have the spirit of faith. C’mon! Give the Lord a big hand.

So I went back to Singapore. I went back to Singapore. I said, “Guys open up your bible. Go with me to Mark 11. Jesus says, “Have faith in God”.  I could see the first row. They got a little nervous.

“What is pastor doing?”

I said, “I’m going to preach about faith!” They almost freak out. “Faith! Again! FAITH!!!”

You know just before I came into the hall, the Lord spoke to me. He spoke to me a verse: Hebrews 13:5 to verse 6.

‘For He himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you”, so we may boldly say, “The Lord is my helper, I will not fear. What can man do to me?” [Crowd applauds]

So I came in. I just preached a sermon like what I just mentioned a moment ago. People in the front row they were a little nervous. But as it gets further back they seemed to be happy. Everyone’s elbowing everyone else, “Pastor is back! Pastor is back! He’s preaching  faith again!” So we had a great service.

And then I got everyone to stand up. And I said, “Come lets lift up our hands and let’s begin to pray”. So they were praying. (Much of what you did earlier when Ps Chris was here.) And then the Holy Spirit said to me- He said, “Kong, do you believe what I just told you: Hebrews 13, that I would never leave you nor forsake you?”

I said, “Jesus, I do believe”.

He says, “So what does the verse say? It says, “I will never leave you nor forsake you so we may boldly say”. Kong I want you to “boldly say” it!”

I said, “I can do that! I think I can do that.” So what is the first line? It says, “The Lord is my helper”. So I was telling the people, “We are having a time of prayer. A time of worship.” And I say, “The Lord just spoke to me. He will never leave us. He will not forsake us”. And there was a huge roar.

“Woahhh! Jesus we love you! Jesus you’ll not leave us forsake us.” So I’m gonna say it! So everyone was waiting for me. I say, “The Lord is my helper!” Big roar from the back to the front, “Woaaaah!”

Front people still getting nervous. [Audience laughs] So the Holy Spirit say, “Good! Good! Continue! Say the next line.” I said, “Okay. I can say that. ‘The Lord is my helper, I will not fear’.”

“Woaaah!” [They] clapped, they were shouting, they were jumping, “We will not be afraid! Hallelujah!” And then Jesus said, ‘Why don’t you finish it’? I said, “Okay. I can do that. ‘The Lord is my helper! I will not fear! What can-‘” [Audience: “Man”]

Wait! What can- [whispers ‘man’]. I said, “Lord! This is live streaming.” I said, “This is Singapore.” I said, “There are a lot of people taking down notes right now.” I said, “If I made a statement like that, would I be misconstrued for being defiant? What happens after the service? What- the next thing- the usual thing happened the next morning- *beepu-beepu*.

“On the TV this morning, mega-church pastor Kong Hee has been called in for making the statement, ‘What can man do to me’.” [Audience laughs]

So I was struggling. I was really struggling. My wife was leading song. “He’s looking at me. Kong what’s wrong? I mean we’ve been singing and prasing. C’mon! Finish what you’ve- lets close the meeting.”

I struggled and I struggled. And I tell you that’s what faith is. When all is said and done are you bold enough to speak out what you believe? Finally, I took up every courage I have saying, “The Lord is my helper. I WILL NOT FEAR. WHAT CAN MAN DO TO ME”. And at that moment it’s like heaven broke open and just an anointing THAT hit our place. And from that day unto today the spirit of faith came upon us. [Crowd applauses] We are not the same church we used to be. Oh come on! Give the Lord a big hand!

Oh! If you want to clap somebody? Give the Lord a clap! Somebody scream! [Crowd screams] Somebody go ‘woooo’! [Crowd: Wooo!] Lets all stand on our feet right now shall we? Let’s all stand up on our feet right now. How many of you want to have some faith in this room this morning? Hallelujah!

I wonder how many of you today you need a miracle in your life. If you need a miracle, just put up your hands. Would you just hold your neighbours hands on your left on your right. Just hold your neighbours hand. Let there be no aisles today. Let’s declare this as loud as we can in Jesus name.

Everybody say with me say, “Lord Jesus Christ, [Audience: Lord Jesus Christ ] I forbid any sickness [Audience: I forbid any sickness ] to dwell in my body [Audience: to dwell in my body]. By your stripes I’m healed [Audience: By your stripes I’m healed]. I’m blessed in my finances [Audience: I’m blessed in my finances]. The money will come [Audience: The money will come]. The business will come! [Audience: The business will come!] I will prosper in all that I do! [Audience: I will prosper in all that I do!] In Jesus name I pray- [Audience: In Jesus name I pray-]

If you believe that give the Lord a clap.” – Kong Hee, Presence Conference, Day 1, Session 1: 01:25:10, 2013.

Fighting For The Faith Weighs In On CHC Controversies

08 Saturday Jun 2013

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Chris Rosebrough from Fighting For The Faith has recently examined the bizarre and controversial nature of the Kong Hee and Sun Ho controversy.

June 07, 2013

Pastrix Sun Ho a.k.a. “Geisha”???

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Program segments:

• Sherly Brady Performs a Narcigesis of the Story of Sarah
• Cindy Jacobs and the Leviathan Spirit?
• Pastrix Sun Ho a.k.a. “Geisha”???
• Good Sermon: The Wages of Sin by Gervase Charmley

Source: Pastrix Sun Ho a.k.a. “Geisha”???, Fighting For The Faith, http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2013/06/pastrix-sun-ho-aka-geisha.html, 07/06/2013. (Accessed 08/06/2013.)

The segment starts 54 minutes in.

Kong Hee Uploads Phil Pringle Praying Over “Pastor Sun Ho”

31 Friday May 2013

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Four years ago, Kong Hee wrote an article titled “Wholesome Shallowness?“. In this article Kong Hee verbally bashed pastors who took issue with Sun Ho’s Music video, “China Wine”. He justified their behaviour by claiming that Sun Ho was not a pastor nor did she work for any religious organisation.

“In 2007, my wife Sun released a music video of the hit single, “China Wine,” . . . the video also raised quite a few eyebrows within the religious fraternity who felt it was inappropriate for a Christian to be featured in a dance video.

Although Sun is married to me, she herself was never formally ordained as a minister. She never felt gifted with a pulpit ministry. . . Yet, in spite of all her secular and creative achievements, many conservative pastors find it hard to accept Sun in any role outside of church ministry. But the reality is that she is no longer a church staff or a gospel singer. She doesn’t work for any religious organization.

As a professional artist, Sun has to take on many dramatic stage personas. This is what entertainers do. In the “China Wine” video, she happens to be acting in one such role. . . I think the struggle many pastors have is the difficulty to separate her association with me (as a pastor’ wife) and her career as a singer. I agree that if she is a “pastor” or “preacher,” perhaps the video would have been inappropriate. But Sun is not a pastor. She is an entertainer. All her music videos were not produced by the church but by her secular music label, the company that she is working for.”

We can now safely say this was not true. Kong Hee once again has let everyone know that Sun Ho is indeed a “Pastor”. We could have uploaded the footage we have of Phil Pringle praying over “Pastor” Sun Ho at Presence Conference 2013. Instead, we decided to record Kong Hee’s upload of Phil Pringle praying over “Pastor Sun Ho”.

The censorship and the deceit of Phil Pringle was staggering at Presence Conference. Phil Pringle simply presented that Kong Hee and CHC are being persecuted by the Singaporean authorities. To mislead thousands of Christians and pastors around the world without reporting the facts of Kong Hee’s charges and court case should cause a concern to Christians everywhere. The two-faced nature of this entire scandal is mindblowing.

If Christians at Presence Conference 2013 knew that Pastor Sun Ho performed her raunchy video China Wine, would they honestly be united in prayer over this issue? If they knew that Kong Hee was being charged for mishandling millions of dollars to finance her wife’s music career would they be opening up their hearts, minds and spirits to a very dodgy ministry?

Even local Singaporean news found it necessary to point out the fact that Sun Ho is no longer separating her lifestyle from her music activities. The Straits Time reported Sun Ho saying,

“I am very thankful to Jesus that I can resume my executive duties at such a crucial time for City Harvest Church”.

Kong And Sun In Paper

Executive duties? So… Is ‘da dutty China Wine’ now an executive pastor at City Harvest Church?

Do Christians and pastors honestly want to pray and support a worldly pastor that ‘evangelises’ the world as a chinese geisha (prostitute)? Do Christians want to support Kong Hee who belittles pastors and Christians who are upset with his wife? Do Christians want to honestly be in agreement with double-speaking Phil Pringle and Kong Hee?