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C3 Presence Conference 2015 HeresyReel: Day 1 Session 4 – Phil Pringle

09 Saturday May 2015

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This is one of a series of articles covering the absurdity preached at Presence Conference 2015. We are broadcasting these HeresyReels to discourage you from accepting the messages from the clearly false teachers invited to speak at these C3 Presence Conferences  –  remember, just because they are “popular” does not mean they are legitimate.

In each snippet reel, we have blacked out sections to represent a new section. If you do not want to watch the whole thing, please read the sections we summarise below. This means you may want to progress to that section in the video to save time.

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At Presence Conference 2015, Stephen Furtick preached first on opening night. Watch him here:

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DISCLAIMER: These are notes. Feel free to discuss or correct any errors you may see in the sections below. Furthermore, it is up to C3 to publish these sessions if people are insisting that we are taking “teachers” out of context. We were shut down by these types of “churches” on YouTube for putting up entire sermons so that people could see what was said in context. However, if you browse the content in these Presence Conference sessions it should be evident that there is lot of bible twisting. So please see the overall picture before accusing us of taking one snippet out of context.

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SECTION 1: Comments about how cool churches lack religious images. Plugs his daughters “PK (Pastors Kids) Session”). Plugs C3 merchandise and is showcasing his own painted cross. (2:10) Mocks critics after gaslighting people into buying his merchandise. (However, it appears he may be mocking his own C3 Constitution which states “You shall not use or allow the pulpit to be used to: a) promote commercial ventures; b) promote political beliefs; c) do anything of a lewd, corrupt or heretical nature; d) to vent personal needs, injustices, angers or business ventures.“)

SECTION 2: *PRINGLE’S SHEEPSKIN 1* Pringle says that just like Paul he wants to know nothing more than Christ and Him crucified (CAHC). If he does not focus on CAHC, Pringle rightly says that other knowledge fogs and clouds the message. Let’s use this statement agains the rest of his message. Is this true? Does his message reflect the idea that Phil Pringle only wants to know Christ and Him crucified? How much does he reveal how much he knows about CAHC? is that his focus?

“And I found that churches and Christians so easily get distracted from the one thing that really, really matters. Because it is an insult to your intelligence to be that simple. To think that it could be just about one man in the history of the world… And I am hear tonight to point you to none other than the Lord Jesus Christ as being the answer.”

And in the same breath shuts the kingdom of God in people’s faces by not preaching Christ crucified.

SECTION 3: *PRINGLE’S SHEEPSKIN 2*

“I gotta tell you, the Holy Spirit would be offended if we put Him at the center. He has come for one reason and that is to testify and to glorify and to magnify Jesus Christ. “

SECTION 4: Narcigetes the historical account of Elizabeth meeting Mary.

“Something leaps inside of you when you meet a person who is divinely destined to assist you in your assignment. Thirty years later, John and Jesus are doing something that will change the world.”

(Pringle is defaulting to preaching not Christ but YOU when in fact that scripture is about John the Baptist pointing his first witness (his mother) to Jesus. And no – Jesus and John were not attempting to change the world but to save the world.)

[Continued] “And if that relationship had been destroyed or damaged on the way through who knows what could have happened.

And that is blasphemy.

SECTION 5: Pringle reveals that his authority is in man not God:

“I am the person that I am today, not because of me but because of thousands of people. All these volunteers here. The heroes of this conference are the volunteers.”

This is not only revealing, it is also a lie. Those “thousands of people” are mainly C3 college students who are forced to serve the Presence Conference because their courses make Presence Conference compulsary to serve in. And we know first hand that Pringle is ropable if he does not get the professional standard he wants from certain students at his Presence Conference.

“They are the people who are in the carpark. They are out there doing there things and they’ve got something that leapt on the inside of them and say, “I want to be part of a divine purpose”.

This is a lie again. Some students are passing to complete their ministry training hours assessment. It’s also a blasphemous suggestion to convince people that your conference is part of God’s “divine purpose”. This is a type of teaching cults teach.

Then Pringle is preaching about you and your dreams and how to keep your dreams alive. (He is not preaching Christ and Him crucified.)

Notice: The ‘river’ is now people “flowing in our lives”. It is no longer the Spirit of God.

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“Miracles are about to flow like a river in here in ten minutes. I would maybe have a hundred miracles on the inside of me tonight that are ready to be released. I literally feel them on the inside of me like – jumping around kinda saying, “Get to it! Get to it!”

“And if you are looking for a mira- I know this! There are couples here tonight who cannot have children. We’re going to pray for you and within twelve months, you’ll have children. You’ll have babies.”

Pringle deliberately drops pinkles:

“I’m not good at a lot of things but I’m good at that. I don’t know how to say that but I’ve got babies all over the world.”

SECTION 7: Describes unbiblical characteristics of Adam and Eve: “… human beings of God. Magnificently standing. Glorious. Clothed with light. Intelligence beyond any thought we could have. Living in sheer glory and presence of God.

SECTION 8: *PRINGLE’S SHEEPSKIN 3* Performs his recital gimmick to amp people up to get ready to receive from God. Musicians are rehearsed to psych crowds up to Pringle’s gimmick.

SECTION 9: Gets up women to pray for them to have babies. (Accidentally knocks cross off the platform.) 

SECTION 10: Randomly calls out to a middle aged woman (someone invisible person out there in the audience) to get her “very bad right hip” healed.

SECTION 11: Pringle encourages people to, “Come with me on a journey into the miraculous”.

“You’ll never find a God that performs ‘convenient miracles’ or even dignified ones.”

SECTION 12: Prophesies on a man saying “You will make a lot of money”. But God fails to communicate logically in this prophecy (see below).

Prophecy: “I see you in a room of politicians. You’re talking to them about passing laws… And in the name of Jesus, you’ll declare what he is showing you. And you will not be afraid to mention the name of Jesus. That name opens every door. That name is the door!”

“Babies. I pray for four babies in Jesus name.”

SECTION 13: Pringle parallels the woman on stage coming to himself to the women having an issue with blood coming to Jesus. It is interesting watching how Pringle wiggles out of the comparison he just made. (Would the Holy Spirit who is supposedly in Phil Pringle honestly say something so grossly out of line? Isn’t the Spirit meant to point people to Jesus – not Phil Pringle? Why is this the Phil Pringle show?)

SECTION 14: Pringle tries to rev crowd through irrational logic.

SECTION 15: Pringle says he wants people to raise their spiritual stamina and says that he wants people to see him as their own “personal spiritual trainer here”.

“There is a river in this room right here. If we just open up right here.”

What is this foggy teaching? Is he pointing people to Jesus or this people/dreamy/miracle-centered river? Or is he pointing people to the river of Phil Pringle where you can receive hundreds of miracles from his river?

SECTION 16: A woman he blows on gets overwhelmed, upset and can’t communicate why she’s crying out of control. Pringle tries to guess what on earth is wrong with her, says flimsy words and moves on.

SECTION 17: Prays over women, raises hands over her and talks about an operation she is going to receive on Monday and then declares “maybe not”. Declares healing over her. Casts out sickness and demons: “I rebuke every spirit out of this woman’s life. Get out! Loose her!”

SECTION 18: Asks young people to come up for healing if they have “problem with both [their] ankles ankles” (“more on the right one then the left one”). He says this person may have difficulty walking or running. Pringle tells them to quickly get up on the stage or he’ll move. Could the Holy Spirit be any more insensitive?

SECTION 19: Pringle gives us insight how he knows people are incredibly desperate to receive healings from incurable healings in his meetings.

“And some people have a problem with the supernatural and miracles. I don’t know why. Because it’s probably because you haven’t been sick yet with an incurable disease. It’s probably because you’re still pretty healthy. But if you’re sick, it really matters. These people have got a problem here.”

However, the people behind him have sore ankles. Harshly pushed people down with bad ankles and they seem to fall painfully fast. One girl who stays standing Pringle says to bash her ankles together to get healed and says, “You got about a twenty per cent miracle”.

So much for Pringle’s god performing “convenient miracles”.

Rosebrough reviews Pringle’s infomercial sermon: Is Phil Pringle your Ezekiel’s Angel?

09 Monday Mar 2015

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Chris Rosebrough reviews another sermon from Phil Pringle of Christian City Church (C3 Church). What’s breath-taking  about this review was how Phil Pringle took one biblical text and used it as an infomercial for his Presence Conference. And of even greater concern, we have Phil Pringle sharing his “angelic experiences” and what he heard God say about Phil Pringle’s heavenly-appointed Presence Conference. The gross manipulation did not stop there. Chris Rosebrough pointed out this creepy comment made by Phil Pringle:

Angel Pringle“And I share that with you because you got- you need to know that when we read the Bible – like just what we read- that was an angel leading Ezekiel deeper and deeper.

And there are angels who want to take you and lead you deeper and deeper. And if we can follow that- And if you can think of me maybe – just now – as that angel, measuring out 1500 metres for you to walk to get knee deep and then another 1500 – c’mon! Let’s go a little deeper.

C’mon! Let’s go all the way – for your sake. We’re not going to lead you into things that’ll hurt ya – that are bad for ya or that kind of thing. We only have your best interest and the Kingdom of God in our hearts. And one thing that we are desperate for is not just for every individual here to get blessed but our whole church to be blessed. And our whole movement around the world – C3 Global – to get touched and empowered for a whole new day, to go to a whole new level in Jesus’ name.“

Source: Phil Pringle, Awakening 2, My C3 Church, “Awakening – Part 2” – Phil Pringle, http://www2.myc3church.net/videos/awakening-%E2%80%93-part-2-phil-pringle, 60:50-61:45, 14/04/2013 PM.

Click the link below to hear the sermon review at 1:10:45 mark….

Awakening

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Program segments:

• Amanda Wells’ Prophetic “Insight” • Robert Hotchkin Preaches At Patricia Kings “Church” • Steve Munsey Buttresses Benny Hinn’s “Healing” Ministry • Sermon Review: Awakening 2 by Phil Pringle of C3

Source: Chris Rosebrough, Fighting for the Faith, http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2015/02/awakening.html, 17/02/2015. (Accessed 09/03/2015.)

Is Kong Hee gaining financial support for his legal defense through honest means?

18 Friday Apr 2014

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HOW IS KONG HEE GAINING FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR HIS LEGAL DEFENSE?

Through the audio we have collected, Pringle has clearly demonstrated how Kong Hee has worked around new Singaporean legislation to solicit financial support for his lawyers and travelling expenses. Please note that the audios, videos or transcripts below may be copied and freely distributed.

Kong Hee Trial

PRINGLE MISLEADING THE GENERAL PUBLIC OVER KONG HEE

Since the investigations started back in 2010, it appears Phil Pringle has neglected to inform his church why Kong Hee is under investigation and why Kong Hee is currently in the courts. We are aware that some C3 church leaders do not know why Kong is being investigated, or why he is in court. We have found that if you ask C3 leaders or members what they know about Kong Hee’s case, they will often say that Phil Pringle is defending Kong Hee. However, they often also insist that they know nothing about Kong Hee’s situation, and that they do not feel the need to investigate the ‘pastor’ their leader is defending.

We have recordings of Phil Pringle ostensibly suppressing the serious nature of this scandal to his congregation in his church meetings. In one particular update, Pringle associated  the persecutions of Kong Hee to the persecutions of the Apostle Paul. However, the issues could not be more opposite.

It appears to be convenient for Pringle that his church and his leaders do not know what actually transpired in relation to Kong Hee and the City Harvest Church scandal. Why does it seem so necessary for Pringle to try and suppress the details of the case to the thousands of Christians around the world who attend or tune in online to his Conferences?

In 2013, Phil Pringle asked uninformed Christians attending his Global C3 Presence Conference to give sacrificially to financially support Kong Hee’s legal case. Not once was it explained to those who attended why Kong Hee was under investigation.

Here is what Phil Pringle said:

“I would like you just to take a card, an envelope if you’ve got one nearby. And if you’d like to participate in this, I’d like you to consider doing that. Whatever you can do it would be helpful, I know, to them. This will all go completely to Pastor Kong to help with his- costs. He has to pay this week $680,000 I think it is, for his legal fees. He’s covering his whole team’s fees. They have to mount a vigorous defense over three years. Those numbers weigh heavily on- on a person and they have prohibited him from asking his own congregation for any help.

He cannot use any of his own church funds. They’ve sold their – they sold the unit they were in. Others have moved to help them in other countries and I would like to think that we can be friends to these people in one of their darkest hours.” – Phil Pringle, http://www.youtube.com/watch? &v=2g-BB9BF7xk , Presence Conference 2013.

This is not the first time Pringle has failed to inform thousands of Christians about the details of ongoing investigations of Kong Hee and his associates from City Harvest Church. At the Presence Conference 2011, Phil Pringle prophesied over Kong Hee and then encouraged all the churches gathered to financially support Kong Hee. While encouraging people to give, take note of what Pringle says:

“Then, I think it was even more for him. I can’t remember the figures. But I know that for- they had to raise seven million dollars for members of staff and others to travel. That’s just that area. If you’ve ever been to Singapore, you know how expensive this place is. To fight the case he has had to employ a legal firm. And I know what the bills are. They are nearly a million dollars each time they come. Between half a million and a million dollars each time those bills come. His church is not allowed to pay one cent of his personal cost that he is incurring in this battle. He has to find it himself.

He’s sold his house. He has scratched together everything he can. One of the things that I’m doing is going there. I’ve made a commitment to be there once every two weeks. Normally it ends up being once every three weeks because of a variety of commitments that I’ve already got and doing things. But when I’m gone, he’s able to travel. And when I’m there, he’s able to travel and preach and find support amongst Asia and other churches.

Uh- I know that he was finding it hard to put some money together to get a cup of Starbucks at one stage. And uh- it’s a challenge. There’s been new legislation passed on the use of commercial spaces in Singapore since this case has come. So the religio- the restriction on his church is severe, ah, in that area [inaudible] after their purchase, go into co-ownership with ah, SunTec. And we’re in there. I will be speaking there in a couple days time. I will be on Friday to speak there happily.” – Phil Pringle, http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=uwNignarJCg, Presence Conference 2011.

From the above quotes, what can we ascertain from Pringle’s own words?

1. CHC has to “raise seven million dollars for members of staff and others to travel”. Why?

2. Pringle knows that for Kong Hee “To fight the case he has had to employ a legal firm” that cost “nearly a million dollars each time they come”.

3. Pringle acknowledges that “There’s been new legislation passed on the use of commercial spaces in Singapore since this case has come. So the… restriction on his church is severe “.

4. Pringle concludes that the financial issues Kong Hee faces, ” have prohibited him from asking his own congregation for any help” and that he “cannot use any of his own church funds”.

5. Pringle notes that, “Others have moved to help them in other countries” and that he would like people at the Presence Conference to financially “be friends to these people in one of their darkest hours”.

What “moved others” from “other countries” to support Kong Hee? According to Pringle, it is because:

1. He has “made a commitment to be [at CHC] once every two weeks”. And when Pringle is at CHC, he says Kong Hee is “able to travel and preach and find support amongst Asia and other churches”.

Last year Pringle also stated:

“I was in Singapore last week ah- folks with our good friends Kong and Sun Hee, although they are very rarely there when I am speaking because it gives them a chance to get out amongst the Asian community or various parts around the world and share in churches their burden ‘n what they’re facing and keep support happening and maintain a healthier relationship and communion with the wider body. And so that’s part of the reason why I am able to go there and uh- and they’ve just had ah- one really interesting breakthrough in this last week where the Commission of Charities (that’s the organisation overseeing charities in Singapore) has exonerated Sun from all ah- all charges against her so-“

Source: Phil Pringle, “Awakening — Part 1″ – Phil Pringle, http://www2.myc3church.net/videos/awakening-%E2%80%93-part-1-phil-pringle, Sunday 14th April 2013. (Accessed 15/04/2013.)

Once again Pringle reinforces that:

1. When he is over at Kong Hee’s church it “gives them a chance to get out amongst the Asian community or various parts around the world and share in churches their burden ‘n what they’re facing and keep support happening and maintain a healthier relationship and communion with the wider body”.

The audio provided here clearly demonstrates that Phil Pringle has been allowing Kong Hee to use his C3 Presence Conference to solicit support in bearing his financial “burden” through by giving their “support”.

AN EXAMPLE OF KONG SHARING HIS “BURDEN” AND GETTING “SUPPORT”

To confirm that Kong Hee is gaining “support” from churches outside of Singapore, we can examine him “sharing his burden” and gaining “support” from those who attended Phil Pringle’s Presence Conferences.

In 2012, Kong Hee prayed the following on the first night at Presence Conference 2012 (not the opening night):

“Father I just pray even right now from the front to the back, from the left to the right, that tonight you move in a great way. Lord you know that it’s been a tiring time for the last twenty three months. For every step of the way, you’ve been with me, you’ve been with us. And Lord for all that C3 has poured into City Harvest Church, I pray that you multiply back to them, every church –every leader, thirty fold, sixty fold, a hundred fold for your glory we pray. Amen.” – Kong Hee, Presence Conference 2012, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeIYljvQ0G0: 18:11, Day 1.

In this prayer, Kong Hee acknowledges that “C3 has poured into City Harvest Church”. By ‘poured’ he means ‘financially poured’. If you are not familiar with the term “thirty fold, sixty fold, a hundred fold”, it is Word of Faith terminology that usually means financial multiplication. The idea is that if you give financially, God will multiply your returns supernaturally. The unusual thing about this prayer is that Kong Hee said C3 poured money into City Harvest Church. But it was Pringle in 2011 that asked everyone at his Conference to give cash directly to Kong Hee and Sun Ho:

“Alrighty. Can I ask you to find your seats again? Is that alright? If you can just return to your seats. I want to let you know about a couple of things.

I’m wondering if- thank you Kari. I’m wondering if i can do something that ah- we don’t do here normally. (And I’ve only got about five minutes because the buses are leaving at ten o’clock.)

I’m wondering, as I was sitting there just wrestling with a thought, because I really ah, appreciate everybody here and their sacrifice in getting here. But I’m feeling like I just would like us to show love in a very real and a practical way for Kong and Sun.

So I’m just going to ask this question. If you would like to help them financially then we’re going to pass the container one more time here. I don’t want you to feel that you have to. I don’t want you to feel that there’s any great drive for this on you at all.

But I just feel that maybe some of you who would like to do this. We normally don’t receive offerings for preachers because it’s a very big conference and it’s a- and we build it into our overall thinking and budget to look after our speakers. But right now, if you need a card and you want to help these guys, just raise your hand.

You need to understand that they- I’m- I’m not quite sure I can say this, are they- are they- they’re gone? Okay. Umm…” – Presence Conference 2011.

Something is amiss with the content of Kong Hee’s prayer. Wasn’t Kong Hee supposed to receive the support directly? In 2011, Phil Pringle specifically asked people to give money directly to fund Kong Hee’s legal battles. It would appear that in 2012 Kong Hee’s prayer was acknowledging that he indeed received this personal financial support, while using his church as a safeguard to hide this fact.

It was at this same conference we also see Kong Hee share his “burden” in more detail.

This sermon not only had the above prayer, but is also is the very sermon that has caused controversy in Singapore where Kong Hee claimed that God apologised to him. This is why we believe some people are outraged with the latest information – they perceive that Kong Hee is distorting the severity of the case for his personal and financial gain. Here again is what Kong Hee said on the first night of Presence Conference 2012:

“And [God the Father] said, ‘My son, I’m so sorry that you need to go through this alone. But you need to die and you need to go through this to be the Saviour of the world!’ And God the Father had broken and He wept as He turned His face, when His son took the sin of the whole world.

I was saying all this and I’m hearing myself behind the pulpit- and I froze. I could not utter another word. And I sobbed and I shook. Because those were my exact sentiments.

“Father, Father! Why? My God! My God! Why have you forsaken me and thrown me to the dogs?”

And for the first time in eight months, I heard the voice. It is not the voice of a strict angry judge that only want me to perform and build a big church and nothing I do is ever good enough for him. No. It’s not a voice of angry judge. It’s not the voice of a slave driver. That just wants to take and take and wring me dry. But it was a voice of a tender, loving, broken-hearted Father.

For the first time in eight months, God – I heard Him crying. And He said, “My son, Kong, thank you! Thank you for going through this. I need you to go through this alone so that you and City Harvest Church can be the man and the ministry I call it to be. I’m so sorry. But you need to go through with this by yourself, to bring a change to your generation”.

Oh come on! Give the Lord a big hand tonight!

I hear God saying for the first time in eight months, “I love you! I love you! I love you!” Waves upon waves of God’s love- the love of the Father, just, saturated me. All I could say was, “Abba! Abba!! AABBAAAA!!! Daddy! ABBA!!!” And I knew, everything was going to be, alright.

Everything was going to be alright.” – Kong Hee, http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=FKVSXfjhB14, Presence Conference 2012, Night Service, 11/04/2012.

As you can see, you are hearing a very one-sided and propaganda-like presentation of Kong Hee’s situation.

So we are seeing that what Pringle has said about Kong Hee appears be true. Phil Pringle’s Presence Conference was a place Kong Hee felt safe enough to “share… their burden ‘n what they’re facing and keep support happening”. And guess what? Kong can say whatever he wants to whoever he wants… and get away with it. How would Singapore know what his agenda is when he speaks at churches in other countries? Who can keep him accountable for what he says around the world, away from the Singaporean judicial system?

THE FRAUDULENT BEHAVIOUR CONTINUES

In light of the legal investigations underway at the times and the court case, it is scandalous of Pringle to invite Kong Hee to speak at Presence Conference from 2010 to 2013, . Pringle persisted in giving Kong Hee the floor to present his propaganda-like stories, designed to raise financial support for his legal expenses, yet disguised as sermons. Not once did Phil Pringle or Kong Hee give an accurate account as to why Kong Hee was under investigation or why Kong Hee is currently in court. Why is the media failing to expose Phil Pringle and Kong Hee’s fraudulent behaviour in financially misleading thousands of people at these events?

Last year at City Harvest Church, Phil Pringle made a video showing a number of pastors who chose to lend their support to Kong Hee. Kong Hee spoke at Ed Young’s church in 2011.

We’ve also covered Kong Hee speaking recently at Victory Life Centre, providing a very one-sided story of his case back in Singapore:

The Kong job continues (What is Victory Life Centre trying to hide?)

Kong also spoke recently at Ed Young’s C3 2013 Conference:

Kong Hee, Singapore Megachurch Pastor Arrested for Fraud, Visits Ed Young’s C3 2013

Did Kong Hee get love offerings from these churches after spreading more propaganda about his plight against the Singaporean government? Why are pastors like John Bevere, Mark Conner, Casey Treat, David Yonggi Cho and many more allowing Kong Hee to mislead their churches about his case? Were they misled and groomed to financially support Kong Hee’s lawyers as we saw at Presence Conference? Are these the churches that Pringle was alluding to when he said that “others have moved to help them in other countries”?

Leaders like John Bevere, Yonggi Cho, Casey Treat and Ed Young have already been exposed as false Christian teachers. Is it any wonder they would support someone like Kong Hee? Are we seeing a banding of false teachers, each being only accountable to their inner circle rather than the body of Christ?

This scandal needs to be addressed by the universal body of Christ. How far are men like Phil Pringle and Kong Hee allowed to go with this ungodly, manipulative behaviour before the true church starts dealing with such wolves?

CHC Member Interviewed: “I’m Posting The Video… To Expose The Deception…”

06 Tuesday Aug 2013

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 The Breakfast Network recently reported the following:

BN Special: The man who posted the God-Kong Hee video speaks to Breakfast Network
The Youtube video clip that went viral showing City Harvest Church founder Kong Hee “speaking” to God was posted by a church member who said he did it to “expose Kong and his lies”.

In an exclusive interview with Breakfast Network, he said that the 3½-minute clip he uploaded was a recording of a sermon the senior church pastor had delivered during a religious conference in Australia in April last year. He said he had obtained the clip last year from C3 Church Watch, a group that monitors the activities of a Sydney-based church, whose founder Phil Pringle is currently an advisory pastor with City Harvest Church.

According to the member, who posted the clip on Youtube under the id “anointedforworship”, Kong had made the same remarks during a church service last year to City Harvest members as well. He said he decided to make it public only now because he wanted to “show the sublimal messages embedded in the sermon and delivered through the pulpit”.

The church member declined to be named as he is still currently worshiping at City Harvest Church. He told BN: “Just to be clear, I’m posting the video not to ‘destroy the church’ but to expose the deception within carried by certain individuals who go as far as to abuse the trust and authority given to them.

“I believe people need to be warned about deception, especially when it happens in church, to protect them.”

Since the clip was uploaded on Sunday, netizens have roundly condemned Kong’s remarks in which he compared his involvement in the ongoing court case to Jesus’ suffering. Along with five other church leaders, Kong is currently on trial for embezzling millions in church funds which he allegedly used to finance his wife’s singing career. The trial began in May and is expected to resume next month.

In the clip, which was recorded about two years after investigations into the alleged charges began in 2010, Kong also claimed that God spoke to him and apologized for putting him through the trial, and that it was necessary to “bring change to your generation”.

“For the first time in eight months, God, I heard Him cry. And he said ‘My son, Kong, thank you. Thank you for going through this’,” Kong told the unseen congregation.

“‘I need you to go through this alone, so that you and City Harvest Church can be the man and the ministry I call it to be. I’m so sorry, but you need to go through this by yourself, to bring a change to your generation.’”

So far, the clip has been viewed more than 69,000 times, with 54 Likes and nearly 2,000 viewers expressing their disapproval. A parody of the clip featuring pop group ABBA was posted by another Youtube user yesterday.

Netizens have slammed the recording as it was shared on Facebook and Twitter over the last two days. Youtube user “soulsessions” said of the clip: “What a load of bullshit”. Another user, “futurelady2k”, called it “Nonsense.”

In a report posted today, Yahoo! News said it had contacted City Harvest Church for a response but had yet to receive one. Other church members interviewed said the clip may have been misinterpreted or taken out of context.

Source: By Yen Feng, BN Special: The man who posted the God-Kong Hee video speaks to Breakfast Network, http://www.breakfastnetwork.sg/?p=6564, 30/08/2013. (Accessed 06/08/2013.)

Beyond Words… Pringle Sinks To New Depths At Global Presence Conference 2013

03 Monday Jun 2013

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At his Global Presence Conference 2013, Phil Pringle got thousands of Christians to financially support Kong Hee’s trial back in Singapore. Pringle did not inform those present what the allegations against Kong Hee and his staff were about.

Below is the video and transcript. Here are some of our observations what Pringle said:

  • Although Pringle did not want to encourage Christians to financially support Kong Hee’s defense lawyers “under any compulsion or pressure” Phil Pringle laid the pressure on people to give.
  • He manipulated people into giving by censoring the central facts of Kong Hee’s trial and parading him as an innocent and righteous blood-stained martyr in a pagan world. He did this by comparing Kong Hee’s circumstances to John Bunyan’s and the early church Apostles circumstances.
  • Using cat-fight and division-like tactics, Pringle used defamatory commentary against Christians who are questioning the integrity of Kong Hee, Sun Ho and himself. After slagging off Christians as ‘enemies’, he called for the church to be unified again around Kong Hee and Sun Ho without explaining why they were being charged. (For someone who thinks that Christians “are getting a little numb” to criticisms now, Pringle makes sure to attack them publicly.)
  • Pringle twists the Apostle Paul’s words so Christians would close their eyes, ears and minds to the truth. When Pringle said, “Don’t be moved as by as a letter as though from us”, he was referring to 2 Thessalonians 2:2. This is why there IS division. Paul wanted the church to avoid men like Pringle that would twist his words.

The above is not an exhaustive analysis of what Pringle said. We encourage readers to examine and discuss the claims we have made above. We are looking at doing a thorough analysis of Pringle’s special offering message at another time. In the mean time, here is Phil Pringle’s message:

“Oh Jesus! Your Presence™ is heaven to us.

You know I- I want to do a couple more things tonight before we finish. If I can have the lights go up a bit.

Uh- I’m hesitant to do this but I just feel we should. And I don’t want you to feel under any compulsion or pressure or anything like this. And I’ve only ever done this once before in a Presence Conference as to add another offering but I know the costs that are involved in Kong Hee making his defense. It’s not small.

It’s not even six figures. It’s seven and it’s multiples of that for the legal defense and for seven people are charged. not just Kong himself. Happily, two weeks ago, Sun was completely exonerated from all charges against her. [Crowds Applause]

You can be seated. Thank you. Just for a second. I know it’s half past time but we’re cool. It’s ANZAC day.

I would like you just to take a card, an envelope if you’ve got one nearby. And if you’d like to participate in this, I’d like you to consider doing that. Whatever you can do it would be helpful, I know, to them. This will all go completely to Pastor Kong to help with his- costs. He has to pay this week $680,000 I think it is, for his legal fees. He’s covering his whole team’s fees. They have to mount a vigorous defense over three years. Those numbers weigh heavily on- on a person and they have prohibited him from asking his own congregation for any help.

He can not use any of his own church funds. They’ve sold there- they sold the unit they were in. Others have moved to help them in other countries and I would like to think that we can be friends to these people in one of their darkest hours.

We do not face this kind of situation. It’s hard to even imagine it or feel it. But I’ve been on the front page of newspapers. And I’ve been on the six o’clock. And I’ve been on a Current Affair when Mr Hinch was around even then. And I was there. “Shame! Shame!”

And uh- and uh- and it’s- it’s a terrible, terrible feeling. But I- you gotta know that the reason we- this- this- none of this comes cheaply. And I’m not talking cash. Nothing of worth is achieved without some opposition. And you can tell the value of a thing you’re trying to achieve by the level of opposition that you’re getting.

And so- there’s a price for the anointing. There’s a price for the growth of the kingdom of God. And when we’re called to come up with that price- whatever it is- there’s not a disciple or an apostle that didn’t go through some immense contradiction in life. To achieve the things, the scriptures that we read, are penned in blood. There are martyrs all through the centuries and persecuted people. John Bunyan was thrown in prison. I think it was eleven times before he wrote ‘Pilgrim’s Progress’. Finally he wrote it.

He figured, “This is why I’m in here”. Hehe! I’m not sure if he ever went back in there but cos he was preaching so ferociously. They just kept throwing him in.

And I think it’s an awesome thing. If one member in the body has suffered. If other members bear the pain as well, a little- and so I would like to do this right now.

One of the things that’s happened- it’s one of the brightest pieces of light in the last three years in this situation- that recently Sun was exonerated because there was insufficient evidence, they said. So there was a public outcry, “Why then in the first place was there any suspension of her office?”

And that was one of the questions asked. And uh- it continues, you know. But that is th- that is a beginning. That is a bright piece of light for- and the press- the last press release I read was uh- halfway positive- and halfway negative. But it uh- it wasn’t as nearly as DAMNING as the others had been.

Let’s pray together and ask God to help us with our giving here to bless our brother. And if you are unable to, pray. If you can, do. Go ahead and let’s uh- be a blessing to Pastor Kong and Sun and the great City Harvest Church. One of the greatest churches in the world without any shadow of a doubt. A church that is changing the ratio of Christian populations in certain countries.

Heavenly father, help us stand with this man and woman you have chosen to serve you and have given you everything. Laid down their lives in so many ways. And Lord we pray as we stand with them here tonight for the blessing of God to rest on our giving, in Jesus name. And every body said, “Amen”. [Camera shot on Kong Hee and Sun Ho praying] Thank you very much. Hallelujah!

You know uh- I knew when we saw the 2014 line-up of speakers for next year, I thought uh, “Pastor Kong is not there. He’s here every year. So I need to ask him”.

[Kong Hee nods ‘yes’, stands up and salutes Pringle to receive applause] Will you at least do one session for us next year? Please! You know. You must do one session for us. [Crowd applauses.]

And I thought, “I want to do that before the end of the night” because exactly what Son said, “Next year when we are here”. That’s one of the greatest statements of faith you’ve heard in this conference. I don’t expect you to fully understand that but because they are facing two trials. One in may and one in August. In Singapore you will see lots of negative stuff. You will read lots of blogs by Christians as well that are terrible, negative, attacking, all kinds of things and we live in that kind of age.

But I think people are getting a little numb to it now. I saw on some comments on Facebook today about this conference. I’m thinking, “Oh! PLEASE! You know! Get over it in Jesus name! Amen! Get a life! Do something! Win some people to Jesus! You know like- our worst critics and enemies are within our own deal, for goodness sake. Can’t we get it together and discover the things that unite us are far more the things that divide us in Jesus name. Amen!

We’re here to build the church, not tear it down. I’m not gonna get into cat fights with anybody. Amen! I’ll just ignore it, move on. Thank you Jesus. “Try the other cheek!” Amen!

It’s all good. Don’t go out there and be moved by these things. Paul had it all the time. Don’t be moved as by as a letter as though from us. People would fake his signature and write letters about the resurrection being over and criticising him. Ridiculous! It’s always been around.

But things like Joey Bonofacio was saying this afternoon, God allows things to shake us. To shake the things that can be shaken so that we’ll lose them and so that the things that cannot be shaken will remain and get stronger. Amen!

That’s why you get shaken. [Crowds applause] Woah!

But be immovable. Be unshakable. Don’t be shaken in mind or troubled in heart by those sort of things. Stand strong. Know what’s right and do that in Jesus name. Amen!”

Why C3 Is Failing And Making Christianity Look Stoopid

14 Friday Sep 2012

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This is the backlash Christianity gets from unbelievers when the church allows false teachers peddle false doctrine and monetary scams. Comments like this only prove that C3 does not care about upholding the true ministry and message of Christianity. Yet C3 insists they are effectively wining the City for Jesus.

From AtheistFoundation: http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/forums/showthread.php?t=4945

“Christian City Church “Presence” conference April 2010

Hi, Firstly my names Phil and I’m a new member here. Greetings all.

I went to the above mentioned “conference” last night with some (unforunately religious) freinds and I feel so overwhelmed by the nonsense that I just have to tell someone about it.

Held in several (very large) arenas at Sydney’s (very expensive) exhibition centre, this event had it all including:

– “Miracle” healings (among others, someone with Kidney failure was supposedly healed).

– “The Offering” (basically the traditional church collection plate multiplied by about 200 but with the plates replaced with deep storage containers and the convenience of wireless credit card and eftpos facilities and forms on each seat for direct debit or cheque offerings).

– Prayer (with fancy mood lighting and humming, hypnotic style background music to get you in the spirit).

– Musical features (apparently gets you closer to god with everyone clapping and waving their arms around to “touch the lord”).

The main thing that made me feel sick was the way the “Offering” was staged. They started off with some short video clips about where “some” of the money goes. These included a mother of four who was raising a son with mental health problems who required her constant care. This son was two years older than any of her other children, so I couldn’t help wondering why she continued to have three more children?

There was also one on raising money for medical equipment for pre-mature babys.
I did ask my freinds why they didn’t just do some miracle healings as a solution to both these issues but didn’t get any straight answers.

Then when the collection “plate” for my row (there’s one per row) went past, I couldn’t help peering in and, despite having only passed five people so far, there were already three $50 notes, 1 $20 and a bunch of gold coins!

Throughout this, the pastor on stage kept saying you will feel the “power” from “giving to the lord”. Again I asked my freinds why we should give up our money whilst their pastor drove a $300,000 car and his visiting conference speakers stayed in 5 star Hotels but got the usual hollow answers.

AHHHHHHHHHH!!! I just want to scream. They had about 15,000 or more people through there. How can so many people be so stupid? I felt like I was in a mental asylum!”

NOTE: SCREEN GRAB WAS TAKEN ON THE 14/09/2012.

What Is Sun Ho’s Position At CHC?

10 Tuesday Jul 2012

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[Edit 29/08/2015: Broken original images repaired.]

We have recorded Kong Hee stating that “Sun is not a pastor“. But we have recorded Sun Hee say ‘I know that I represent City Harvest Church‘, when expressing her gratitude of Phil Pringle’s involvement with their affairs. She said this at Phil Pringle’s C3 Presence Conference 2012. So is Sun Hee a pastor not? What is her position in all this?

Ian.OnTheRedDot shines a bit of light on Sun’s position in City Harvest Church,

Is She Pastor Ho Yeow Sun?

Is Ho Yeow Sun a pastor? If you are familiar with City Harvest Church, you probably would not have missed the controversy that surrounded her when she entered the secular music industry; a controversy based on arguments that it was inappropriate for a pastor to do so. I’ve read that the church leaders have in recent years sought to distance her from the tag ‘pastor’. Personally, I have encountered this possible policy a few years back when I noticed that the church bulletin started addressing her differently.

That to me was rather disappointing – disappointing because of an article published by the magazine Harvest Times.

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I found this magazine when i was packing for the moving of my house. The last scan shows that when she first started her career, there was the deliberate positioning to associate her as a music/singing pastor.

(From: Is She Pastor Ho Yeow Sun?, Ian On The Red Dot, http://ian.onthereddot.com/2008/10/19/is-she-pastor-ho-yeow-sun/, 19/10/2008. (Accessed: 03/07/2012.))

While a reader commented, “Although yeah her husband is the pastor and she did help out in church, I think the label Pastor Sun was totally media created,” (Spankalot, 20-Oct-08 at 9:23 am), the writer of the article stated:

“the magazine was published by the church. So the pastor tag was definitely not media created… the magazine is an old one… long before the controversy started…  I’m disappointed because I used to support her and what she was doing based on the premise that it was a pastor who was entering the secular music industry to make a difference there and not be part of it. Now that the pastor tag has been dropped, it seems the original reason has been lost.” – iantimothy, 12:31, 21/10/2008.

Looks like the Sun came out!

City Harvest Church Charged On Allegedly Cheating the “church of over $50 million”

28 Thursday Jun 2012

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Leonard Lim from the Straits Times reported the court hearing on Wednesday, the 27th of June:

“City Harvest Church’s Kong Hee and four others were charged on Wednesday with allegedly siphoning church money, amid fresh revelations that they conspired to cheat the church of over $50 million.

It emerged on Wednesday that $26.6 million was allegedly used to cover up an initial $24 million which they had taken from the church’s building fund and put into sham investments.

These investments in turn were actually being used to finance the music career of Kong’s wife Ho Yeow Sun…

On Wednesday, court documents showed that this alleged conspiracy was carried out through bond investments in two companies…

The prosecution revealed on Wednesday – to a courtroom packed with nearly 200 City Harvest members and supporters – that a second series of transactions was allegedly devised to misappropriate a further $26.6 million.

The prosecution said: ‘These further monies were circulated… to create the false appearance that the purported sham bond investments had been redeemed, when in fact the ‘redemption’ had been financed using these further monies misappropriated from church funds.’

This ’round-tripping’ meant that more of City Harvest’s building fund cash was used to repay the sums owed to itself.

The $26.6 million cover-up bid came about after the church’s auditor had raised questions about the purported bond investments…

Like Kong, who is represented by Edwin Tong of Allen & Gledhill, church management board member John Lam Leng Hung, 44, faces three similar charges.

The others charged – Kong’s deputy Tan Ye Peng, 39; church finance manager Sharon Tan Shao Yuen, 36; and investment manager Chew Eng Han, 52 – were slapped with more charges.

Chew and Tan Ye Peng each face 10 charges – six for criminal breach of trust and four for falsifying accounts.

Sharon Tan was charged with four counts of falsifying accounts and three for committing criminal breach of trust as an agent.

The first offence draws a maximum of 10 years’ jail, and or a fine. The second, which Kong’s charges come under, is punishable with a life sentence, or jail of up to 20 years and a fine…

The total sum of $50.6 million that the five conspired to cheat the church of makes the City Harvest case the biggest financial scandal involving a registered charity. It eclipses the $12 million that the National Kidney Foundation sued Mr T. T. Durai and three others for, and the $50,000 unauthorised loan Ren Ci hospital’s Ming Yi was jailed for.” – Leonard Lim, The Straits Times, http://www.straitstimes.com/The-Big-Story/The-Big-Story-1/Story/STIStory_815914.html, City Harvest case: Allegedly total of $50m misused, Published on Jun 28, 2012. (Accessed: 28/06/2012.)

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26 Tuesday Jun 2012

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OFFICIAL STATEMENTS IN REGARDS TO KONG HEE AND CITY HARVEST CHURCH

The Singapore Government, Ministry of Home Affairs have made the following statements online:

Police has earlier sent a press statement on CAD investigations into persons for criminal breach of trust and false accounting.  Below are Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Home Affair’s comments on the case:
  • I would like to stress that the charges filed by CAD are against 5 individuals from the City Harvest Church (CHC) regarding the use of Church funds. They are not filed against CHC itself.  The CHC is free to continue its church services and activities.
  • CAD carries out investigations when it receives information that a criminal offence may have been committed. CAD had previously investigated the National Kidney Foundation and Ren Ci.
  • As the matter is now before the courts, we should let the law take its course and avoid speculation or making pre-judgements that may unnecessarily stir up emotions.

(Ministry of Home Affairs, Singapore Government, Press Release, http://www.mha.gov.sg/news_details.aspx?nid=MjUxNA%3D%3D-HksHHlX%2F45U%3D, 26/06/2012. Accessed 27/06/2012.)

The Singapore Government also released a ‘Press Statement By The Singapore Police‘:

Press Statement By The Singapore Police – (From: http://www.spf.gov.sg/mic/2012/120626_chc.htm)

Furthermore, the Singapore Government released a ‘Press statement by Commissioner of Charities’:

Press statement by Commissioner of Charities – (From: http://app1.mcys.gov.sg/PressRoom/InquiryfoundmisconductandmismanagementinCHC.aspx)

Kong Hee’s City Harvest Church issued the following statement,

A STATEMENT FROM CITY HARVEST CHURCH

Dear Church Family,

This morning, Pastor Kong Hee, Pastor Tan Ye Peng, John Lam, Chew Eng Han and Sharon Tan were informed to attend court tomorrow.

There is no case that is being brought against the Church.

The CHC Advisory Committee, comprising Dr Phil Pringle, founder and Senior Minister of Christian City Church in Sydney and Dr A R Bernard, founder and CEO of Christian Cultural Centre in New York, will continue to provide spiritual leadership. Both pastors were appointed advisory senior pastors over CHC.

The Church Management Board continues to provide guidance on the running of the church.

Church operations and cell group meetings will continue as usual, including all weekend services at Singapore Expo and Jurong West.

In the meantime, do keep the church, our pastors, leaders and their families in prayer.

Yours faithfully,
Rev Aries Zulkarnain
Executive Pastor
City Harvest Church

(Source: http://www.chc.org.sg/_eng/church/church_StatementFromCHC-26-June-2012.php. Accessed 26/06/2012.)

(Source: http://www.chc.org.sg/_eng/index.php. Accessed 26/06/2012.)

NOTE: SCREEN GRABS TAKEN BEFORE THE 28/06/2012.

It’s worth noting that that City Harvest Church’s statement is misleading. It is not true that, “Pastor Kong Hee, Pastor Tan Ye Peng, John Lam, Chew Eng Han and Sharon Tan were informed to attend court tomorrow” that morning. They were ARRESTED that morning. That’s quite a convenient thing they left out of their statement, don’t you think?

This statement can also be found on City Harvest Church’s Facebook wall. 

(A STATEMENT FROM CITY HARVEST CHURCH, by City Harvest Church (Official), http://www.facebook.com/notes/city-harvest-church-official/a-statement-from-city-harvest-church/10151029263651220, Tuesday, 26/06/2012. (Accessed 27/06/2012.))

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