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Prophet Pringle’s God-Given 2020 Vision Lie (Part 4)

21 Wednesday May 2014

Posted by Nailed Truth in C3 Culture, Pringle's Behaviour, Pringle's Beliefs, Pringle's Doctrine/Gospel, Pringle's Language, Pringle's Laws, Pringle's Methods

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Phil Pringle says in his book ‘You the Leader’,

“Warren Bennis, as quoted in In Search of Excellence, calls the leader a “social architect.” When a leader is a God-person, a God-seeker, vision is planted deep inside. God often speaks in pictures to God-seekers, especially to leaders. Pictures are the visual language of the Holy Spirit to reveal God’s blueprints for what He wants to build.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 34.

Keep the above in mind as you watch this 2020 Vision campaign video.

Sorry – this is the 2020 Vision campaign video.

Here is the transcript.

TRANSCRIPT

“In the beginning, God gives us vision. This vision is to build the church worldwide. Building the church is God’s top priority in this generation. You and I are called to bring people to Christ, to make disciples and to release those people into ministry within our churches and beyond. And by doing this, we will fulfill the heavenly vision.”

VISION BUILDS FAITH

“Vision from God always boosts faith from the inside of your soul. As soon as we hear the magnitude of what God is calling us to do, we find faith rising on the inside that this is possible. Just like Joshua knew he could take the land of Canaan, so we know that we can build the church around the world.”

FAITH BUILDS INTENTION

“Every vision is just a fantasy without a plan. God has given us a strategy and as we follow that pathway, we will find ourselves expanding right around the world. We will raise up thousands of leaders, connect group leaders, worship leaders, assistant leaders, leaders of churches. People who will work to build the house of God and fulfill this dream God has put in our hearts.”

INTENTION BRINGS ACTION

“Faith without action is dead. Just believing that this vision is going to happen wont make it happen. This vision calls for action. It calls for people to step out. It calls for sacrifice. It calls for stretching. It calls for raising ourselves up to a level we’ve never been before. This action has taken us from seventy one churches in the year two thousand to over three hundred today. It’s taken us from five nations to thirty five nations. And today, we have influence in two hundred cities around the world.

ACTION BRINGS MOMENTUM

This momentum turns a small snowball into a massive avalanche. It’s the power of compounding effort. You and I are involved in a gathering momentum of the great power of God.

AND THE MOMENTUM OF GOD

IS UNSTOPPABLE

Because of this momentum, we are seeing six hundred people around the globe come to Christ every week in C3 churches. Because of this momentum, we’re seeing nearly thirty thousand come to Christ every year. Because of this momentum, each week seventy five thousand people are gathering to worship God. God in heaven is with us. It’s his mighty plan to build his church on the earth.

Together you and I are going to see this amazing thing come to pass. You are part of the history making group of people that are changing planet earth as we fulfill the 2020 Vision.”

CRITIQUE

It is of our opinion Pringle is purposely blurring the lines with the great commission and His 2020 Vision to get people to commit themselves to his movement and not to the true commission of Jesus Christ. If the 2020 Vision was the ‘vision’ that God gave Christians in Matthew 28 this is perfectly fine. Jesus can give us the faith to go out into the world and make disciples in His name. But is this what Pringle is reinforcing?

Not at all. Pringle opens up with the following claim: “In the beginning, God gives us vision”. Already we are off to a bad start. Where on earth does the bible teach this?

Pringle adds his own unbiblical theology into his New Age doctrine on vision: “Vision from God always boosts faith from the inside of your soul. As soon as we hear the magnitude of what God is calling us to do, we find faith rising on the inside that this is possible”.

Where on earth did he get this from? His liver shivers? Notice also his allusion to him being a ‘Joshua’ in this video when he says, “Just like Joshua knew he could take the land of Canaan, so we know that we can build the church around the world.””.

But who gave Joshua the strategy to “take the land of Canaan”? God.
So who supposedly gave Pringle the “strategy” to “build the church around the world”? God.

Is Phil Pringle your Joshua?

This is nothing but subliminal advertising again. While the C3 Media flash snippets of Pringle’s 2020 Vision (“1000 churches”, “500 members”), Pringle claims that “God has given us a strategy”. Wasn’t the biblical Great Commission strategy enough?

This indicates that God has given a vision to Pringle that surpasses that of Jesus’ great commission. Why can’t C3 simply follow Jesus’ commission to “go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you”?

That’s right! Phil Pringle is the Messiah! How can we forget this?

And what is this God-given strategy? Pringle says that if Christians are to “follow [the strategy’s] pathway, we will find ourselves expanding right around the world”. What a claim!

Whatever happens do not question the churches strategies. To do so is to challenge God. Not Pringle. Not C3 leadership. Not C3 church. But God.

Pringle then goes on to purposely misappropriate and reword the scripture in James 2 to his advantage. He reworded the scripture “faith without works is dead” to “faith without action is dead”. He then used this verse to convince his listeners to get on board with his 2020 Vision. A pastor should NOT use the scriptures for his gain like this. Pringle used this scripture to justify people to submit to his divine authority through the infallible 2020 vision God supposedly gave him.

For Pringle to claim God gave him a divine vision and strategy to fulfill but has the audacity to twist his God’s Word like this is satanic. This was not an accident. This was scripted. This was a deliberate tactic to con people to side with his vision.

Using Nazi ideas – the volk

Furthermore, God can’t fulfill His vision without your help! You must help God! Pringle says, “Just believing that this vision is going to happen wont make it happen. This vision calls for action. It calls for people to step out. It calls for sacrifice. It calls for stretching. It calls for raising ourselves up to a level we’ve never been to before.”

Behind all this vision talk is a very Hitler-esque push. Pringle is elevating and attributing a human ‘power’ or a ‘force’ to God. According to Pringle this, “momentum [that] turns a small snowball into a massive avalanche” is the “great power of God”. No. This is volkism. A Nazi philosophy. In Hitler’s work “Mein Kampf” (1923), he let us understand some key points what the ‘volk’ was and how the ‘volk’ worked. Here is a good summary of the volk:

In his book ‘Mein Kampf’ (‘My Struggle’) published in 1923, Hitler set out quite clearly his political ideas. They can be summarised as follows:

  • … Mankind’s natural unit is the Volk, or people, of which the German Volk is the greatest.
  • The state only exists to serve the Volk, and both morality and truth are to be subservient to this principle.
  • The Volk must be headed by a Fuhrer, or leader, who must have absolute authority.

Hitler says about the leader of the volk,

“In that way an eternal ideal, which has everlasting significance as a guiding star to mankind, must be adapted to the exigencies of human frailty so that its practical effect may not be frustrated at the very outset through those shortcomings which are general to mankind. The exponent of truth must here go hand in hand with him who has a practical knowledge of the soul of the people, so that from the realm of eternal verities and ideals what is suited to the capacities of human nature may be selected and given practical form.”

So are we really seeing a move of God Pringle? Or are we seeing you behave like a “social architect”, to construct a volk for your own personal interests? Isn’t God communicating to you the “language of the Holy Spirit to reveal [His] blueprints for what He wants to build”? Or are you playing with peoples ideals to manipulate them to further your agendas? Jesus Christ said,

“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.”

What then does Jesus tell us to do?

“Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”

We are seeing the reverse with the 2020 vision. God supposedly has bent the knee to Pringle and given Phil the authority in heaven and earth through the “2020 Vision” to make people and churches join his volk (“the great power of God”).

Pringle is not saying the “power of God’ is emphasised through the preaching of the gospel which proclaims that Jesus is The Power and The Authority of God personified. Instead Pringle is pushing the idea that thy volk is truth and power, insisting that you be “part of the history making group of people that are changing planet earth as we fulfill the 2020 Vision”.

Can you see what is taking the focus now? Not Christ and his great commission. The focus is now on Pringle, his 2020 vision and those who bend the knee to it in his movement. Pringle’s battle cry is for you to be part of a history making crew that are changing the world because they are fulfilling the 2020 Vision.

So it should be established that Pringle is using clever marketing gimmicks and lies to deceive his congregation into accepting his fuhrer’s vision. This is man is making his own church with out God’s Spirit. Pringle is teaching the power of God is emphasised through the volk under his “god-given” vision and “god-given” strategy.

A Demonic Faith

 

The scriptures make it clear that it is God alone that gives us the faith to believe through Christ. Not so with Pringle. Pringle says,

VISION BUILDS FAITH

“Vision from God always boosts faith from the inside of your soul. As soon as we hear the magnitude of what God is calling us to do, we find faith rising on the inside that this is possible.”

However, the writer of Hebrews doesn’t tell us to look to visions to build faith. Nor does the writer tell us that visions “from God always boosts faith from the inside of your soul”. Nor does the writer say that when “we hear the magnitude of what God is calling us to do, we find faith rising on the inside that this is possible”. Instead, we read this:

“Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.” Hebrews 12:1-2

Whatever gave this vision and teaching to Phil Pringle is not of God. Phil Pringle has replaced God with himself, speaking his own CEO vision to condition people and control them for his own agenda. Let us be clear: when Phil Pringle is speaking the vision to his congregation, they are NOT hearing “the magnitude of what God is calling [them] to do”. They are not “faith rising on the inside”. Instead, scriptures CLEARLY say this:

“So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” Romans 10:17

This vision is nothing but a “weight” which members at C3 should “also lay aside”. Hopefully we have made it clear that this is Pringle’s vision – not God’s. This vision is nothing but a godly facade hiding the fact that:

    • Pringle is calling YOU to action.
    • Pringle is calling YOU to step out.
    • Pringle is calling YOU to sacrifice whatever it takes to accomplish his desires.

This is very different to what we see Luke observing in the early church.

” … the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved” – Acts 2:47

As Paul said to the church in Galatians:

“Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.”

The answer? Phil Pringle.

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Prophet Pringle’s God-Given 2020 Vision Lie (Part 3)

20 Wednesday Nov 2013

Posted by Nailed Truth in Pringl'es Books, Pringle's Beliefs, Pringle's Blog, Pringle's Doctrine/Gospel, Pringle's Methods

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C. Peter Wagner, dream, faith, goals, vision, Vision 202

In our first article, we established that Phil Pringle has promoted emphatically that his God-given 2020 Vision is to have “1000 churches planted by the year 2020 with an average attendance of 500 members”.

Prophet Pringle’s God-Given 2020 Vision Lie (Part 1)

In our second article, we proved that even if Pringle is telling the truth, he is rebelling against the infallible God-given 2020 Vision and redefining it to suit his own selfish purposes.

Prophet Pringle’s God-Given 2020 Vision Lie (Part 2)

So what on earth does Pringle mean by ‘vision’? Where does it come from? Who gives it? How does it work? What is it’s purpose? How should people react or behave around someone with ‘vision’? Is it a Christian teaching?

In this article, we will provide teachings of Phil Pringle’s irrational ‘vision’ doctrine. This article will continue to grow as we collect more information on Pringle’s ‘vision’ doctrine. We hope this post can help you begin to understand how ingrained this un-Christian ‘vision’ is with C3 church growth and the man Phil Pringle.

Similar to Pringle’s doctrine on faith, his doctrine on vision can also be associated with paganism. If anything, his ‘vision’ doctrine sounds more like spell casting or spell binding rituals to bind people to fulfill his personal desires. You will not find Phil Pringle’s bizarre ‘vision’ doctrine found anywhere in the bible.

IS PHIL PRINGLE ‘THE ONE’?

Here are quotes from Phil Pringle’s books, blogs and sermons.

BOOK: FAITH

“I know that there are some people who are perpetually negative. I sincerely believe that if you want to fly with the eagles you cannot afford to walk with the turkeys. I will walk away from those people when they start to attack the vision.” – Phil Pringle, Faith, 2001, pg 75.

“There is a screen within our mind upon which three projections are jostling for prime time… But then there is God. He has a projector with a preset, wonderful destiny as the main feature. As we enter the Spirit through praise and worship, God will form His vision within our thinking. We pray the prayer of faith. The vision of the answer comes to mind and we see it, in living colour. Jesus himself gained faith from the Father through visions. He declared that He did nothing that He did not first see His Father doing. If Jesus could see His Father do it, He had no doubt that He could. Once the vision of the fulfillment of your dream has been planted in your mind, bring it in to your prayer life.” – Phil Pringle, Faith, 2001, pg 102.

“Once the vision of the fulfillment of your dream has been planted in your mind, bring it in to your prayer life. Each time you pray the picture to mind and meditate on it. Pray over it. See it happening. Destroy all the images of failure. Replace them with the image of success.” – Phil Pringle, Faith, 2001, pg 102-103.

“Right now in my life I spend much time dreaming over my visions of faith. I know this works. I would be a fool to ignore it. Remember, one of the mightiest keys in the Kingdom of Heaven is faith. Vision is a major part of faith, for we walk by faith and not by sight. Faith is directly contrasted to natural eye sight.” – Phil Pringle, Faith, 2001, pg 103.

BOOK: YOU THE LEADER

“Warren Bennis, as quoted in In Search of Excellence, calls the leader a “social architect.” When a leader is a God-person, a God-seeker, vision is planted deep inside. God often speaks in pictures to God-seekers, especially to leaders. Pictures are the visual language of the Holy Spirit to reveal God’s blueprints for what He wants to build.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 34.

“Vision is the gift of faith in action. We see this principle lived out in the realm of church leadership quite frequently. C. Peter Wagner concludes that among all the leaders of growing churches that were studied by what is now known as the Fuller Theological Seminary, there is at least one commonality- the gift of faith. He writes,

A study of the largest churches in America has led to the conviction that the faith of the pastors was one of the main contributing reasons for the church’s growth. The spiritual gift of faith was a common denominator found in the pastors of the largest churches.

George Barna also conducted extensive research on church life in the last decade. He states, “My work with churches has led me to the conclusion that the single most important element in having an effective and life-changing ministry is to capture God’s vision for your ministry.”” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 35.

“No matter what the realm of leadership – the home, the workplace, the church, or the community – the vision is crucial. Leaders must funnel their faith into action so that life-changing results.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 35.

“Leadership is clear vision. Without eyes, or without light to aid those eyes, we grope in the dark, unsure of our steps, cautious, afraid, and moving slowly. This is not a leader. A leader is bold and can see the future. “Seeing clearly” is imperative for the leader.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 35-36.

“Faith is what God works through to effect the visions He has given us. He speaks to us, and then, with the faith we have, we believe what He says. Faith is the conception of what is possible before it is seen: “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, for the evidence of things not seen” (Hebrews 11:1). By faith we believe in the impossible becoming possible.

This is what leadership is all about. Leaders see what no one else does. In Ephesians 3:20 NASB – “Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly beyond all that we ask or think…” – the Greek word for “think” is noieo, which means “to exercise the mind or intellect in comprehending, heeding, considering, pondering, perceiving, thinking, understanding, observing, seeing, conceiving.” Leaders actually conceive a reality within themselves before the event happens. This is what a vision really is. It is not just a hope, a wish, or a desire. It is a knowledge that a certain thing is going to take place because of a number of factors:

•    God has spoken a strategy that works.
•    The strategy has been adopted.
•    Realistic plans have been made.
•    The team can see it happening.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 35-36.

“When we meditate in the manner described in Scripture, we take our minds into the realm of conception and the place of perception of the purposes of God. Great leaders of the bible, such as Joshua and David, thought deeply and continuously about subjects that were invisible to them until they became realities perceived by their spirits. We read in Joshua 1:8 and throughout the Psalms that they meditated on the Word of God until it became a reality within them, not just a theology. They meditated upon visions of the future until they knew that what they were seeing was more than just imagination.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 36-37.

“This same conceiving process is what God employs in church growth. We supernaturally see our churches growing; we sense the growth within our spirits. Growth is a reality we experience before we actually have it.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 37.

“Good leaders hold positive, views of the future. We believe God fulfills our dreams, and our dreams are enlarged. Our desires exceed what we currently have and where we currently are.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 37.

“We ask God to hear our prayers. As we read, meditate, study, and speak the incredible promises of God (2 Peter 1:4), our faith grows. God speaks to us at our level of faith (Acts 14:9-10), and we find ourselves believing what He has said (Romans 10:17). His truth becomes a reality within us until we can see it (Hebrews 11:1). Our organization is larger. It has grown. We speak it because it is real. We are not pretending. We know something that did not come to our consciousness by way of the natural senses.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 37.

“Another faculty has released this knowledge: our spirit. It is God’s Word in our spirit. It creates a reality that registers in our spirit. We live by this spiritual knowledge and walk in its light.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 38.

“Goal setting is another integral part of achieving any dream. It is what takes a supernatural vision into the material realm where we can see it being accomplished.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005pg 40.

“Goal setting is another integral part of achieving any dream. It is what takes a supernatural vision into the material realm where we can see it being accomplished.

C. Peter Wagner has stated,
For reasons I do not fully understand, some power is released through setting positive goals that otherwise remain dormant. But although I cannot explain it as well as I wish it could, it is a biblical principle that God seems to honor. Goal setting is the modern biblical equivalent to faith, without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6). Faith is the substance of things hoped for. Things hoped for are, of course, future. Putting substance on the future is what happens in a faith projection (goal-setting) exercise. ” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 40.

“Dr. David Yonngi Cho, who pastors the world’s largest church, says of his church’s remarkable growth. “The number one requirement for having a real church growth- unlimited church growth- is to set goals.”” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 40.

“Remember, Those who have the gift of faith are growth-oriented, goal-oriented, optimistic, and confident. – C. Peter Wagner.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 42.

“Vision could be just as well described as “vibration.” The leader feels the vision as a vibration. He or she then imparts the feeling to others, who accept the vision and run with their leader to make it happen. The leader has seen something that ignites fire in their souls.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 43.

“A vision is something worth living for, and it is something worth dying for. In fact, if it is not worth dying for, it is not worth living for. Brave, godly martyrs throughout history have proven time and again that what we as Christians live for is worth dying for.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 43.

“The leader feels the pulse of a burning passion and communicates that heat at every opportunity. He or she lives the dream, breathes the vision, sleeps the mission, and eats the goals every day. The leader shares those goals all the time with everyone. It is a vibration the entire organization can feel.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 44.

“When you have to set down the rules all the time, you know people have not caught the dream. People who have caught the vision instinctively know what is appropriate and what is required. They don’t care what it takes; they live to make the dream reality. At the risk of sounding unrealistically romantic, I have to say that unless the hearts of the team members beat with the pulse of the leader’s dream, it’s never going to fly.”  – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 44.

“The leader is the bell ringer, the trumpet blower, the drum beater, the vibration maker, and the vision caster… A great leader imparts the burden, inspires commitment, and sets the pace for achievement of God’s purpose.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 45.

“A leader always has one major message, and this weaves into everything he or she does. It remains the primary focus. A leader is to some degree a  prophet, a person with a message. Great leader [sic] see things that others don’t. They preach it until others can see it as well. Their message supports the mission. A leader is a preacher, a person who communicates the fire of the mission. Not all preachers are leaders, but all great leaders will be preachers of one sort or another.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 204.

“The team members we choose need to be able to fight for us and for our vision. The people we choose must have the ability to fight and win. They need to have proven themselves in spiritual battles, and they need to have triumphed. They need to be overcomers. They need to display consistently positive attitudes. These people do not just attend, support, or watch, but they must fight-for us! They shouldn’t fight only for their own victories. They need to fight for the church. They need to defend the pastor when he’s criticized and fight for the church’s  reputation, spiritual health, and finances. They need to be genuine soldiers for God.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 265.

“Abraham’s method is far preferable to getting someone from elsewhere. If people do come from outside, give them time to be “baptised” into the church, so they “own” the vision like everybody else. To become true sons and daughters of the church they need to drink the milk (accept the teaching), imbibe the spirit (accept the attitude of the church), and accept the name (be proud of belonging to your congregation).” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 269. 

“The people we choose must display real unity with and affinity for the vision of the senior minister and the church. In the process of selecting people for roles in the church, we ask their opinion of the leadership, the rest of the team, and the church in general. We are not looking for yes-man, but if a person has problems with the senior minister and the church, then obviously he or she will cause problems on the team and in the church.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 289.

“Whoever buys into the vision God has for the congregation develops an affinity for all that is going on.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 289.

“The leader must constantly reinforce and restate the vision.

Though the team may have heard it many times before, restating the vision keeps everyone focused on the right things. Whatever the leader speaks on, the vision is woven into the topic so that every subject is viewed with the philosophy and priorities of the ministry in mind.” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 292.

“I will build my church. –Jesus of Nazareth

Jesus has a vision. He has a job to be done. He has determined to build His church. He calls men and women to work with Him to accomplish this dream. In the army of people He has enlisted are a creed called leaders.

Jesus raises up people as servants to Himself and as leaders of His people in order to fulfill His dream. He raises this army to lead His flock. He raises leaders to carry the plan of salvation to the world.

God has lofty reasons for raising leaders. Jesus has declared that He will build His church. The rock of manifest revelation is what Jesus builds His church upon. 

Manifest revelation is the flash of light from heaven that pierces the souls of men and women. This is light, the life of God Himself. It is like a piece of God to us. It is food for our spirits. It is what faith is because it is clear knowing-not just thinking or hoping. It is a deep inner knowledge from heaven above.

God’s great leaders lead by revelation. Leaders must receive revelation from the Lord and take their people in that direction. It is vital that we understand what we are to preach, what we are to do, and what kind of organization we are to build through revelation from the Lord.

We must be motivated by the spiritual passion Jesus places within us. We need to build on the revelation God has given us, on our strengths, on who we are in Christ. 

Good ideas are not good enough. They need to be God ideas. Just because someone else’s methods work does not mean they will work for us. God plants a unique set of gifts within each of us as leaders, enabling us to do a particular work for Him in a particular way. If we deny those, opting for something else that appeals to us, we forsake the means by which God wants to give us success (1Timothy 4:14).” – Phil Pringle, You The Leader, 2005, pg 305.

BOOK: MOVING IN THE SPIRIT

“Visions from the prophets are given to motivate their hearers to action.

One of the most sensational things on earth is a vision from God. Vision ignites fire in our spirit. It births the ‘prayer of faith’. It is imperative we see in the Spirit so we understand the will of God.” – Phil Pringle, Moving In The Spirit, pg 59.

“Visions possess greater significance than just entertainment! Visions have power.” – Phil Pringle, Moving In The Spirit, pg 66.

“The gift of faith is identified by unnatural boldness in prayer and preaching. It deals with others.

It is visionary. It views the future with absolute assurance and hope.
It thinks positively. It hates negativity.
It feeds on who we are in Christ and also our potential in Him.
It speaks to other people, to situations and often to itself.
Faith dreams and meditates on the finished results of prayer. It does not ponder anxieties.
It lifts others by injecting faith into their lives. It imparts the ability to believe and trust God.” – Phil Pringle, Moving In The Spirit, 1994, pg 90.

BOOK: TOP 10 QUALITIES OF A GREAT LEADER

“Whatever I want to achieve, I simply focus everyone on that point by using every means I have. The effective leader points people in the direction they are meant to be going. Without direction people wonder aimlessly. This is the point of leadership. We are meant to take people somewhere.

Often, it will be somewhere they don’t want to go, so the skill that convinces followers of the journey comes through communicating the vision, the goals, and the strategy to get there. If I am raising money for a building project, I preach on it. I also ask people to tell their stories of the benefits they have received through giving. We create up-market brochures and magazines that send the signal that we are serious about raising serious amounts of money. We regularly reinforce the message to our leaders. Our people must be refocused regularly. Everyone gets distracted. When we are distracted, our resources, energy, time, relationships, and money go to the distraction.

Leaders’ constant tasks are continually to bring our primary purpose to the forefront. Leaders’ pride can prevent us from repeating ourselves, casting the vision again and again. Yet this is the fuel of the organization. People are fired up by the vision. It reminds them why they are doing what they do, why they are going the extra mile, why they are making the sacrifices.” – Phil Pringle, Top 10 Qualities of a Great Leader, 2007, pg 76.

PHIL PRINGLE’S BLOG

“Isaiah 60:4-5 “Lift up your eyes all around, and see: They all gatehr together, they come to you: Your sons shall come from afar, And your daughters shall be nursed at your side. Then you shall see and become radiant.”

“Many times God urges us to lift up our eyes – Upgrade our vision, see further, broader, bigger. Not negative & downcast but positive & uplifting. Not self-oriented but others oriented.

I thought I had already ‘seen’ in verse 4. The point is we ‘see’ before we ‘see’. What do you see in your future. Dream your dream everyday. Your imagination is part of the creative process in your life.

Can you see sons & daughters coming from distant places? Can you see clients, customers, friends, great people coming into your life?

The point is – what we ‘see’ is what is going to happen.” – Phil Pringle, http://philpringle.com/2009/09/13/lift-up-your-eyes/, 13/09/09.

PHIL PRINGLE’S SERMONS

“Ken(?) and John called me the arch bishop the other night. But it’s sort of like that to present to you the over-arching culture and vision of where we’re going. And I really enjoy doing that.” – Phil Pringle, http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/8802074: (05:51-6:02), C3 Atlanta, 8:45am Sermon: ‘?’, 08/08/10.

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Prophet Pringle’s God-Given 2020 Vision Lie (Part 2)

27 Sunday Oct 2013

Posted by Nailed Truth in Pringle's Behaviour, Pringle's Beliefs, Pringle's Doctrine/Gospel, Pringle's Methods

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For a very long period of time we have seen Pringle play word games and use deceptive means to convince people that his prophetic 2020 Vision from God is being fulfilled. The reason why we are tackling this issue now is because of recent footage we managed to find online.
In our first article we established that Pringle had received a ‘God-give’ vision to PLANT 1000 churches by the year 2020.

If you have not read our previous article, Prophet Pringle’s God-Given 2020 Vision Lie (Part 1), do so now.
 
In this article we will examine how Phil Pringle is purposely going out of his way to convince his members that his church is PLANTING churches daily to ‘fulfill’ the 2020 vision.

IS PHIL PRINGLE YOUR HABAKKUK?

In the past, we critiqued a giving sermon that had Pringle twist the definition of ‘church plant’. We were being overtly cautious at the time because we believed our critics would accuse us falsely of making up the transcript or find some minor fault with us if we accused Phil Pringle of being highly deceptive.

C3 Giving Sermon Transcript: Just Another Manic Sunday

“Let Me Just Talk To You Out Of A Scripture” – Pringle’s Use of John 3:16

In our “Let Me Just Talk To You Out Of A Scripture…” article, we think it is important to reiterate the following information:

In his message Phil Pringle does not seem to know basic arithmetic:

56 people + 36 wanting to plant a church + 16 churches rebranded + 2 church plants ≠ 120 Church Plants

We are almost forced to believe that Dr. Phil Pringle doesn’t have a basic knowledge of church missions and biblical terminology. Pringle is calling ‘church planting’ a “group of pastors” to be “thirty six churches” and “a guy in Bulgaria who has sixteen churches” who possibly “wants to hook” into the C3 movement…

Pringle continues to make dishonest and unsupported claims suggesting that his organisation is responsible for one church being planted every day in Jesus’ name. Pringle says, “I know you were doubting out there but it’s okay. I have my moments too. And so you and I believing together- we’ll start to see ten churches a day being planted and growing”…

Pringle begins to mix his phrases through his address so that it becomes difficult to know what Pringle actually means…

… previously in his message to garner funding he only talked about the number of churches that were being added to his movement, not how many people “will come to Christ all around the world today”. We can rightly conclude he is still talking about the 120 churches he was talking about previously because he confirmed that these churches were coming into the C3 Movement, “right now in Jesus’ name. That’s just in four weeks time”.

Pringle continues, “That’s just in the existing churches. Now once these new ones are coming in. And they come into Christ, they become disciples, they become empowered and they become ministries themselves”

It is important to ask whether more accurately these alleged thousands being saved from his aforementioned C3 church ‘plants’ are not rather those people in existing churches being rebranded into the C3 fold. This is flawed thinking to confuse such people who join the C3 banner with salvation into Christ. The conclusions we come too after such dialogue is not good.

If Pringle is saying churches who join C3 “come into Christ, …become disciples,” “become empowered” and “become ministries themselves”, that would make C3 a cult. That is, if Pringle believes their movement is the only true church with the right teachings and formulas for salvation then he himself has set his movement to be a cult…

The sermon that we critiqued was given on the 24th of October, 2010. We managed to get video footage of Phil Pringle later that week repeating the same false material to his staff and C3 college students.

First we want to show a video snippet that features Pringle at the start of his sermon portraying himself as a type of Habakkuk. In this snippet, Pringle stresses that leaders shouldn’t have a vision but a ‘God Vision’. As he is the leader, Pringle attempts to establish at the beginning of this sermon that he is a ‘leader’ leading by ‘example’ with his ‘God Vision’. Pringle is the Habbakuk of C3. He is the watchman and knows the future where the movement is heading. He has the vision to go forward. (Heaven forbid you question his infallible God-given direction.)

Here is the video. Below is the transcript.

“I just want to touch on a few things here today for all of us. As students and staff. Number one, is uh- vision: the importance of it. And how much we need that if we’re gonna change this world. We won’t achieve anything without a vision. But it needs to be a God vision. Okay?

Just having a vision is really not the answer. And so in all the business manuals and coaching, training, you’ll hear about how important vision is. But that’s just a vision people are dreaming up in their own mind. We need to have a God vision inside of us.” – Phil Pringle, 00:16, C3 Church Sydney and C3 College combined staff and students meeting 27 October 2010, http://vimeo.com/16260821, October 27, 2010 6:30 PM.

Later on, he recaps what he said earlier on Sunday (which is the transcript you read here). Transcript is below.

“Empowering saints is giving. Is delegation. It’s getting people to do things for God.  And- and uh, (hm-hm!), so we- we want to release people all the time to get stuff done. And I think it’s awesome! Every- I mean, every week, just about, we see a brand new musician up on the stage. And uh- to get people preaching in chapel. All these things.  But the ultimate goal is that we will get people to plant churches and grow churches all around the world.

In the last- uh- (I haven’t- I haven’t done a really detailed study on this though). Well let me- let me explain this. And I mentioned it on Sunday but for those who didn’t hear, I’ll say it again.

In Bali, (which was what? Four weeks ago? Four weeks ago? I think it was. One month? Yeah. [Crowd laughs] Thanks! Thanks Jake! It wasn’t four weeks. It was a month ago), and ah- In Bali, we had our South- East Asia conference, okay.

So a guy comes out. He says, “I’m joining the movement with my churches”. I said, “How many churches have you got?” He said, “Forty eight 48”. In a place called Myanmar [Burma]. So I said, “Okay”. And I really wanted to clear this up. I said, “It’s not just you joining? You’re actually- all these guys are coming?”

“Yep.”

Then another guy from Indonesia, (Philippines, sorry!), he was joining with eight churches. And then we were celebrating planting two churches at that time. All up that’s fifty eight churches. Right there, okay, four weeks ago. Then, another one of our overseers, has just come back from Indonesia. And he says, uh, he’s just having, he’s got thirty six churches just on their way in as well. That’s- ah- how many’s that? Ninety- ninety- four! Ninety four churches, okay?

Then, ah, in- in Africa, East Africa, the uh, the guys over there said they got about a hundred pastors and leaders. And there were thirty churches in Tanzania, Congo, bla-bla-bla, somewhere else. I thought, “I don’t know if they’re brand new or half new or whatever”. So I thought, “Oh! Just count half of them”. So that’s like a hundred and- that’s a hundred and ten. Hundred and nine actually.

Then Simon told me that he’s talking to a guy in Bulgaria. Ah- who is a really good guy. He’s got sixteen churches. And he is also hooking up. He’s got a big church, one of the biggest in Bulgaria. It’s about six hundred. That’s a big church in that part of the world. So that’s one hundred and twenty. One hundred and twenty churches in one month. That adds up to a growth rate of around about four churches a day. Okay? You know, like- I s- I- I know! I know! So, what are you doing here?

You’re getting ready to look after these churches. You’re getting ready to grow these churches.” – Phil Pringle, 24:16, C3 Church Sydney and C3 College combined staff and students meeting 27 October 2010, http://vimeo.com/16260821, Uploaded October 27, 2010 6:30 PM.

SO WHAT? WHAT ARE WE SEEING?

Let us believe Phil Pringle for a moment. Let us establish for a second that the 2020 Vision IS from God. Pringle has emphatically stated that this 2020 ‘God Vision’ or ‘God-given vision’ is to PLANT 1000 churches. But what are we seeing? We are seeing a man trying to convince his various audiences that the 2020 Vision is being fulfilled for the glory of God. 

But were 120 churches PLANTED in his movement over one month? No.

If Pringle was following the ‘God Given’ 2020 vision, he would be planting churches and not rebranding, converting or assimilating churches into his movement. If he is not planting church, isn’t Pringle opposing the ‘God Given’ 2020 Vision?

What else are we seeing? Let’s say that those 120 church joined the C3 movement. What does this mean?

It means that a third of his churches were established in ONE MONTH. If any person examined his claim in ratio to the current number of churches in his movement a few months later, they’d know that Pringle was lying to them. Where are these church ‘plants’ today?

This actually raises more questions. Is the C3 Church Movement mainly made up of church plants or rebranded churches? If the C3 Church movement fills up with redbranded churches, does this mean that the movement itself is failing God and His 2020 Vision?

We are about to discover that the C3 movement is mainly filled with rebranded churches.

ARE CHURCHES REALLY BEING PLANTED OR REBRANDED?

Whenever a C3 Church plant is about to be undertaken in the C3 Church movement, the news is often huge. For example, leading up to it’s establishment, Phil Pringle and other leaders were monotonously advertising, Facebooking and twittering the C3 Hong Kong church plant. If churches were being planted everyday, Pringle and his leadership would be plastering the news everywhere. However, they don’t.

We would like to conclude that the majority of C3 churches are not church plants but takeovers. To say that churches are being rebranded is not accurate. A takeover is more appropriate since C3 specifically targets churches and assimilates them into it’s collective.

What should be evident in the above transcripts is how C3 uses their conferences to target and market to churches to join their movement. In the name of ‘relevancy’, a C3 conference can easily make local churches feel inadequate, boring and irrelevant. Who cares about the local church and cultural sensitivity when C3 is the answer to your church’s problem! (Who could resist the enticing relevant music, the flashy lights, and the manufactured presence of God?)

Consider again what Pringle said in the above transcripts.

“In Bali, we had our South- East Asia conference, okay.

So a guy comes out. He says, “I’m joining the movement with my churches”. I said, “How many churches have you got?” He said, “Forty eight 48”. In a place called Myanmar [Burma]…

Then another guy from Indonesia, (Philippines, sorry!), he was joining with eight churches. And then we were celebrating planting two churches at that time. All up that’s fifty eight churches…”

“And then Simon came back from the European conference and he met a guy in Bulgaria who has sixteen churches. And he wants to hook in as well.”

May we remind you again what Pringle said how he wanted people to see his Presence Conference:

“We really want  to become more cross-denominational, not parochial about just being C3… And it’s so important that we just, you know, spill the banks, go over, lower the wall, let the water run through the city and be a blessing. And not out there just to drag people into- you know- and to get people into and- many people will get involved in what we’re doing and that’s good. But I don’t want that to be the only motivation that we have. I think that if we have the motivation to be a blessing beyond us, that would be a really good- a really good idea.” – Phil Pringle, C3 Leaders Meeting With Phil Pringle – May 2011, Youtube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgTdtB-ha0s, Uploaded by CCCOF on May 5, 2011.

So we can rule out the fact that this ‘vision’ is about ‘planting churches’. We’ve now established this to be false. While we can argue that C3 does rebrand churches, it doesn’t accurately describe the malicious scheming and marketing attempts they use to target vulnerable churches through their conferences around the world. If what is said in the transcripts is true, then one third of all C3 Churches are takeovers. However, C3 appears to inform us that they have taken over more churches than they have planted.

If people are still not convinced that the 2020 Vision is a lie, this next bit of information should convince you.

THW 20/20 VISION FAILING IN VISION

We wrote an article back in December of 2011. In it we had screen grabs and older information on the location of C3 Churches around the world .

C3 Reports It Has Roughly 243 Churches Globally

Now the date is the 27th of October 2013. All the screengrabs you see and read below are recorded on this date.

If people visit the c3churchglobal.com website, click ‘CHURCHES’ and you will come across to this page (http://c3churchglobal.com/church):

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You will be taken to this map. You will notice links at the bottom of the right hand corner: “VIEW: ALL | PLANTS”. This wasn’t available two years ago. This is recently added. If you click ‘ALL’ you will see this map:

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So why does the C3 Church Global have a link to PLANTS? When you click the ‘PLANTS’ link, you will see the following map:

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Going by the newer information what are we looking at? There are only seven church plants in America? Five church plants in Europe? Three church plants in Europe? Four church plants in Asia? Four in the South East Asia Pacific rim? Four in Australia? About nine in New Zealand and a few around Fiji?

With the information given, that is about fourty churches in total that C3 Church considers ‘Church Plants’. Yet the C3 movement brags of planting anywhere between 240 to 400 churches worldwide? And what are the churches in blue? Church takeovers?

If this information is true, than Phil Pringle has failed spectacularly to fulfill his 2020 Vision. If God did give Pringle the 2020 Vision, then we have the C3churchglobal website exposing Pringle for the false prophet that he is.

NOTE: We would like to ask for your help next article. If you can help us find churches that C3 has taken over, please email us links, screen grabs, testimonies or other forms of evidence. Our email is c3churchwatch@hotmail.com.

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Prophet Pringle’s God-Given 2020 Vision Lie (Part 1)

22 Tuesday Oct 2013

Posted by Nailed Truth in C3 Culture, C3 Ministry, Pringle's Beliefs, Pringle's Issues/Events, Pringle's Language, Pringle's Laws, Pringle's Methods, Pringle's Outcomes, Pringle's Prophecies

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Around the world for almost ten years, Phil Pringle has been promoting his 20/20 Vision. While we do not believe this vision is from God, we think it is necessary to see if Phil Pringle is indeed fulfilling the vision that ‘God’ gave him.

In this article we wish to document Pringle’s emphasis of PLANTING churches by the year 2020. We apologise to readers in advance if what is stressed in this article becomes monotonous. Hopefully, you’ll understand what we’re trying to establish in articles to come.

PLANTING 1000 CHURCHES BY THE YEAR 2020?

CHC’s propaganda paper, City News reports (emphasis ours):

C3 Church International, a global movement of over 240 churches was founded by Phil Pringle.

Pringle and his wife, Christine, started C3 Church in 1980 in Sydney, Australia, today, one of the most exciting and influential churches in the Asia Pacific region. Pringle’s 2020 vision is to plant 1,000 churches in 15 regions by the year 2020. This has resulted in a global movement of vibrant churches, which have been birthed as a result of his leadership and vision. Today, Pringle maintains an uncompromised passion to see cities changed by a contemporary, relevant and anointed church.

Source: Annabelle Low, Planted In Hong Kong, City News, http://www.citynews.sg/2011/04/planted-in-hong-kong/, Updated on 14 April 2011. (Accessed 10/01/2012.) (Emphasis added.)

In another article, the CHC propaganda agent reports that the 2020 Vision is “to see 1,000 churches planted by the year 2020”.

“From Aug. 23 to 26, 1,800 pastors, itinerant ministers and full-time church employees from 22 nations gathered at the Sunway Pyramid Convention Centre in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia for the tri-annual C3 Church Global Conference.

Last held in Hawaii in 2005 with an attendance of 1,100 people, the conference is part of the C3 Church movement started by Phil and Christine Pringle, senior ministers at C3 Church Oxford Falls, in Sydney, Australia. Its vision, termed “Vision 2020” is to see 1,000 churches planted by the year 2020 with an average attendance of 500 members.

Through Vision 2020, the C3 movement has grown from 71 churches in 2000 to over 300 today; from five nations in 2000 to 35 nations today, riding on an escalating momentum of revival around the world.”

(Source: Yong Yung Shin, Go Into All The World, http://www.citynews.sg/2011/09/go-into-all-the-world/, Published on 22 September 2011 at 3:36 pm. (Accessed 10/02/2012.)

C3 Raleigh says,

About C3 International

In 1980, a young couple from New Zealand arrived in Sydney with their family and the vision to start a church.

Ps. Phil and Chris Pringle held their first service with just 12 people attending, but by the mid 1980’s it had grown to over 500 people. They began to start other churches and soon independent churches also joined. As the number grew, the collection of churches became known as the Christian City Church movement (now called C3 Church).

Initially C3 began planting churches around Sydney but then expanded across Australia and then the world. Currently, C3 Church has over 230 churches worldwide – in Australia, New Zealand, the Pacific Region, Asia, Africa, Europe and North & South America.

The 2020 Vision is to plant and grow 1000 churches and C3 understands that to achieve this it must connect people to God, connect people to people and empower people for effective, joyful service.

Our History

C3 Church in Raleigh is a part of C3 Church International, a global movement of churches started by Ps. Phil and Christine Pringle, with a vision to build 1,000 vibrant local churches with an average membership of 500 by the year 2020.

We believe in faith, hope and love, a bright, colorful, positive and encouraging church atmosphere
a church that the unchurched are attracted to, filled with music, light, supernatural happenings,
vision, purpose, loving people, and great preaching.

We are irreverent, risky, fun, conservative, serious and holy.
We love people. We love each other. We really love God, and He loves us.

To learn about other C3 Churches, visit www.c3iglobal.org.

Source: Our History, http://c3raleigh.ning.com/page/our-history. (Accessed 10/01/2012.)

The above blurb helps us identify what C3 means by ‘plant’ when they say that Phil and Chris Pringle had “a vision to build 1,000 vibrant local churches”. The concept that is being articulated is similar to a seed. You plant a seed in the ground and it grows or builds up over time. Likewise, Pringle’s ‘vision’ gives people the idea that C3 plants a few people in a particular location and over time it grows or builds up to be a church. This concept is important for our readers to grasp.

Similar information is recorded on the C3 Winchcombe website:

“C3 Church Winchcombe is a part of C3 Church Global, an international movement of churches started by Ps. Phil and Christine Pringle, with a vision to build 1,000 vibrant local churches with an average membership of 500 by the year 2020.” – Let’s Introduce Ourselves, http://www.c3winchcombe.org.uk/about.html, Accessed 10/01/2012.

We can conclude that there is a template for other C3 churches to use on their websites, communicating that the Pringle’s want to plant and build 1,000 churches by the year 2020.

If we now go to the c3iglobal website we read the following,

“Our vision for C3 Church is to see 1000 Churches planted by the year 2020 with an average attendance of 500 members.” – 2020 Vision, C3 Church Global, http://c3churchglobal.com/cms/2020-vision. (Accessed 14/06/2013.)

Phil Pringle says in his personal bio on his very own C3 Church Oxford Falls website,

“My wife, Chris and I, with the kids and some good friends came to Sydney in 1980 to start a church. We had 13 people at our first service but the congregation grew rapidly and we moved buildings, bought land and built a school. We began planting churches around Sydney, then Australia, then the world; we now have close to 300 congregations in our movement. Our 2020 Vision is to plant and grow 1000 churches and we’re on target to meet this.” – About Phil & Chris Pringle, http://www2.myc3church.net/category/about-phil-chris-pringle, Accessed 30/07/2013. (Emphasis added.)

The C3ChurchGlobal website states:

“C3 Church is a place for life development. Our aim is to maximize people’s potential and help them live their best life.

Our vision is that the Church glows with the Glory of God, that men and women become disciples of Christ, and that they encounter the Presence of the Holy Spirit—they find LIFE!

This is an exciting time for C3 Church. We have a global view and perspective. We know who we are and where we’re going. Jesus said, “I will build my church.” The one Kingdom that will endure and has endured is the Kingdom of Jesus Christ. Our true north is the salvation of lost people.

We will continue to plant churches all over the world so God can be found and lives transformed for eternity. By the year 2020, we will see 1000 C3 Churches in cities all over the world.

This is our movement of awesome churches—C3 Church” – Our Story, About C3 Church, http://c3churchglobal.com/about-c3church, Accessed 30/07/2013. (Emphasis added.)

There is a lot of stuff that is wrong in the above statement which we will hopefully address in another article. However, it is emphasised again that Pringle wants to 1000 C3 Churches all over the world. His 2020 Vision is about PLANTING churches. Not rebranding churches, not converting a person who feels they have a church inside them.

Pringle has centered his C3 movement identity around the vision God gave him of ‘planting’ 1000 C3 Churches. If this is the vision God gave Pringle, you would expect Pringle to remain faithful to it right? Our next article will demonstrate that Pringle has been purposely deceptive about his 2020 Vision campaign.

We will end with what Phil Pringle says on his official Facebook page:

About

The official page for Phil Pringle.This page will not ask for any form of donation.If you receive a solicitation, pls contact rebekah.faith@myc3church.net

Biography

Phil Pringle is the Founder and President of C3 Church International, a global movement of over 240 churches, and the Senior Minister of C3 Church in Sydney Australia. Phil and his wife, Christine, started C3 Church in 1980 and it is now one of the fastest growing, exciting and powerful churches in Australia. An entire global movement of vibrant churches has been birthed as a result of Phil’s lead…ership and vision as he maintains an uncompromised passion to see cities changed by a contemporary, relevant and anointed church. Phil’s dynamic and relevant preaching has made him a much sought after speaker in both Christian and secular contexts, particularly in the areas of faith, leadership, ministry of the Holy Spirit, church building and kingdom principles of finance and giving.

My wife, Chris and I, with the kids and some good friends came to Sydney from New Zealand in 1980 to start a church. We had 13 people at our first service but the congregation grew rapidly and we moved buildings, bought land and built a school. We began planting churches around Sydney, then Australia, then the world; we now have close to 300 congregations in our movement. Our 2020 Vision is to plant and grow 1000 churches and we’re on target to meet this!

We’ve started C3 College for Ministry, Creative Arts and Counselling, as well as a television program and Oxford Falls Grammar School, all on around 25 acres at Oxford Falls.

I’ve always been passionate about the arts playing a major role in church to make her contemporary and relevant to the current world. Our Creative Arts stream has developed and graduated thousands of musicians, worship leaders, song writers, graphic artists, dancers, actors and film makers. I myself paint and exhibit around the world. I also love to write, so I’ve mixed these two elements together in books like Inspired to Pray, But God and 24 Hours That Saved The World – The Gospel of John in Art. My other books include Faith, Moving in the Spirit, Leadership Excellence, Financial Excellence, Leadership Files and You the Leader.

My great love is the local church. I believe she is the hope of our world today. When she functions in the power of the Holy Spirit and lives on the Word she will thrive. See you in Church!

Source: Phil Pringle: About, Facebook, https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Phil-Pringle/181344135208983?id=181344135208983&sk=info, (Accessed 21/10/2013.) (Emphasis added.)

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Kong Hee Making Up His Own Theology

07 Friday Jun 2013

Posted by Nailed Truth in C3 & Pringles Associations

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This audio from Kong Hee in Presence Conference 2010 demonstrates how Kong Hee is nothing but a false teacher. Pull out your bibles and compare what Kong Hee says in the name of God to the Word of God. See if Kong Hee makes any logical sense as he progresses in his teaching on ‘trumpets’. Is he consistent? Is Kong Hee preaching about God or something else? Who is glorified in all this?

Before we start, we wish to alert readers to these comments made by Kong Hee at the beginning of the audio:

“You know pastor Phil Pringle, Apostle, the Bishop ( J. John calls him the bishop)- to me he is the Apostle, he’s my friend, he’s the friend of God. I’ve known Pastor Phil and Pastor Chris for eighteen years. And yet we talk about City Harvest Church.

You can’t talk about City Harvest Church without talking about C3. Or Christian City Church. You know Pastor Phil has been there for me; praying with me; encouraging me; discipling me; telling me how to do the work of the ministry; taught me how to collect an offering; how to give an altar call; how to build a church; build a team. So Pastor Phil, from the depth of my heart, for Sun and myself, we wouldn’t be where we are today without you and Pastor Chris. Let’s give Pastor Phil and Pastor Chris a big clap.” 00:24

To read further how Kong Hee regards his mentor, read here:

Kong Hee To Phil Pringle: “You created this mess! You’ve Got To Come And Help Us Fix It”

Below this sermon [?] are snippets of the transcript where we would like to point out further corrections or articles. These are worth reading.

“I heard that the [C3] church started out of Dee Why.” 01:35

Kong Hee believes that Phil Pringle is an ‘apostle’ and heard that his church ‘started’ out of Dee Why. It is deceitful of Phil Pringle to feed this illusion to Kong Hee that he is an ‘Apostle’ and started/planted a church at Dee Why. Phil Pringle attempted to start a church in Roseville. He was unsuccesful. Instead, Pringle caused a church split when he took over Paul Collins church at the Dee Why Surf Club in Sydney. Read the chapter from John Barclay’s book ‘Arise’ where Barclay records the history of Christin City Church.

The History of Phil Pringle & The C3 Movement

Kong says,

“Even this week he [Phil Pringle] blessed me with a wonderful pen. I understand that there are only two of these in the whole earth. In the whole world. This is the ‘Phil Pringle’ pen. Better than Mt Blanc. Better than Watermark. You know it’s so anointed. You know I was carrying it and I felt the power of God. I tell you I was trembling over. I just put this on… Where are the catchers?

I’m just going to carry it near my heart so the anointing of God can pulsate- OK…” [03:16]

The bible says that one of the attributes of a false teacher is that “through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you” (2 Peter 2:3). Here, Kong Hee is no different. While it sounds like he is joking, he like Pastrix Chris Pringle and Senior Pastor Mark Kelsey, promote that people can buy Pringle’s anointed merchandise.

Phil Takes A Power Nap While Chris Gets A Dour Slap

You Too Can BUY Phil Pringle’s ‘Godly’ Anointing!

C3 Brisbane Encouraged To Bid On The Lord’s Supper ….. And The Pastors Pants?

Kong also promotes his own merchandise.

“Praise the Lord! Well, this afternoon I just realised while I was here, I bought along products but I didn’t even talk about it. So my guys was telling me and- so I just want to make known to you that today in the next few hours there’s some material.” [03:50]

Finally, the visions Kong receives towards the end are 100% false. Hell was MADE to punish the devil and his agents. However, the vision that Kong Hee received is against the Holy Spirit’s revealed truth about hell.

Oddly enough, Kong Hee supposedly quoted a demon that reported to Satan that pornography and lust were spreading throughout the world. Due to Kong Hee’s of his wife’s “China Wine” music video, how are they not promoting the work of this demon? Something to think about.

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C3 College & Dave Sumrall Teaching ‘All Sorts Of Evil’

01 Wednesday Feb 2012

Posted by Nailed Truth in C3 & Pringles Associations, C3 Culture, C3 Ministry, C3 Scripture Handling, C3 Teaching, C3 Values, Pringle's Behaviour, Pringle's Beliefs, Pringle's Doctrine/Gospel, Pringle's Laws, Pringle's Methods

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“If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. But godliness actually is a means of great gain when accompanied by contentment. For we have brought nothing into the world, so we cannot take anything out of it either. If we have food and covering, with these we shall be content. But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. ” 1Timothy 6:3-10

Tanya Levin wrote the following about Phil Pringle (emphasis mine),

“Pastor Phil Pringle had been impressed by American Howard Cargill’s fundraising presentation to his congregation at Christian City Church and recommended that Brian meet with Cargill. `You don’t make money out of offerings, Brian,’ Phil is reported to have said, `you make it from bible colleges.’ Educational institutions, any buildings that are deemed for education, are the ones that get the biggest tax breaks.” – Tanya Levin, People in Glass Houses – An Insiders Story of a Life In & Out of Hillsong, Money Changes Everything, 2007, pg 99.

Pringle has found another way to capitalise from his bible colleges. He advertises his college as follows (emphasis mine),

“Leadership andMinistry C3 College is not for the faint hearted ‚Äö√Ñ√¨ it is for those who want to enter more deeply into the adventure of a lifetime ‚Äö√Ñ√¨ the radical life that is following Jesus.The Leadership & Ministry stream is designed to equip you for local church ministry, as well as ministry in the market place and you will be trained by world recognised practitioners in the body of Christ. At C3 College you will have inspiring leadership training, informative and practical Bible teaching and receive skills for living your best life!” – C3 College, http://www.c3college.com/main/, (Accessed 07/02/2011).

Principal Pat Antcliff that oversees the C3 Colleges misinforms the public saying in 2009 (emphasis mine),

“Lives that make a difference can’t be lived like everyone else. People who want to be fruitful in the service of God, need to be prepared. At C3 College that is what we’re passionate about, that is what we do!

We teach students the knowledge and skill they need to serve God with excellence. Our trainers are current, fruitful practitioners in leadership, creative ministry, youth ministry, children’s ministry, pastoral care and other key areas of local church.

Our specialist ministry and leadership skills are built on a firm foundation of biblical and theological understanding and Spirit empowerment – but our training doesn’t stop here. Lives that make a difference have strong character and well formed Kingdom motivations, attitudes and convictions.

The mentoring and discipleship that happen at C3 College build these areas of a person’s life. Thousands of our graduates around the world are living extraordinary lives serving God. Anything worthwhile has a price tag – However, the rewards for paying the price to prepare yourself to serve God are eternal.” – Pat Antcliff, About C3 College, http://web.archive.org/web/20110128141514/http://www.myc3church.net/node/46, 25/11/2010. (Accessed 07/02/2012)

In June 2010, guest speaker David Sumrall (a world recognised practitioner) taught C3 College students about money. It is clear that Sumrall’s motive was to groom the students to sacrificially finance Phil Pringle’s Vision Builders event. Pat Antcliff, the principal of the School of Ministry, was present in this meeting and did not speak against David Sumrall teaching (37:06).

Read how Sumrall unashamedly twists scripture and uses behavioural methods to convince students to give sacrificially to Pringle’s church.

“How many students were here yesterday? Are you still saved? Of all  the meetings that are gonna take place about the Vision Builders this week this is probably  this probably the most important meeting.

You’re the leaders of the church. You’re the staff . You’re the students. You set the tone. What happens here is going to determine the hearts of the people later on this week. I cannot possibly emphasise to you enough that what happens here this morning is going to completely determine the outcome what happens the rest of this week.

As the leaders go so the people go. Look to the person next to you and say ‘I’m a leader’. Bible school students I taught you yesterday that if pastors want to develop a prosperous church what are the things that has to happen is that the pastor has to be generous. This is where it begins with you as a student. As a student you say ‘I don’t have much money so why should I give’. Because this is where you begin to learn generosity. This is where you begin to practice generosity. This is where you begin to understand spiritual laws of reproduction that everything reproduces after its own kind. This is where the tone is set.

I like to dig and study in the bible and sometimes I get going after little rabbit trails that take me months to play with in my own devotions. One time I just started going after generational offerings.

And I got a little time today so I can relax – is that alright?

I started going after generational offerings. I told you a little about one yesterday in Romans chapter fifteen. That as Paul closed out an entire section of ministry  of his life , he was saying ‘Alright I am done with this entire section of the world. When I’m finished with this offering,  I’m headed to Spain’.  He spent the last several years of his life just raising an offering from all of the Gentile churches to go to the poor Christians in the church of Jerusalem – to bring healing between the Jew and the Gentile churches  – a generational offering.

And he went out to the church of Corinth. And I talked to you yesterday – that the church he had most trouble with was the church in Corinth because the church in Corinth never supported him. Their hearts had never followed their money to his leadership.  And so when he is raising this generational offering, of all the other churches, he had to take the most time trying to teach the church in Corinth about giving – because they were the worst givers. Because he had never allowed them to support him and – probably a right decision. But he said you know, ‘Was this so wrong that I did that I sin when I did not allow you to support me’. But he said, ‘I’m still not going to let you’. And then you read on a little bit farther, (as I showed you in the scriptures yesterday in second Corinthians) , the reason! He said ‘Even now when I send to you Timothy you think ‘clever fellow that he is, he sent Timothy to exploit us’.

You know there are people who have such terrible attitudes. And the reason they have these attitudes is the pastor has never led them in giving… Are we still here?”

So he looks at the church in Corinth and he makes a very interesting statement.  It’s one of those verses you honestly wish was not in the bible. I’m very serious. Second Corinthians chapter eight. Begin with verse eight.  He said ‘I am not commanding you’ – and I am not commanding you today to give an offering. It should not be given under compulsion.

‘I am not commanding you but I want to test the sincerity of your love by comparing it with the earnestness of others – for or because you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. That though he was rich, for your sakes he became poor – so that you through his poverty might become rich’. He said ‘Hey! Look at the love of Jesus! Look at the sincerity of His love. He gave up everything to bring blessing to your life. He says “So now I’m looking at you church of Corinth. We’re trying to raise this last offering. I’m never going to be with you  again. I’m never going to influence you again.

I’m leaving this entire section of the world and I’m going to go Spain. This is my last hurrah. And I’m trying to make peace with your future so that the Judeazers will no longer come and torment you. I’m trying to let you see that your heart needs to follow your money to the people that gave spiritual birth to you.  And I’m trying to let them receive this offering. And ‘A gift given in secret soothe in anger and healing ’. So this is the last ‘hurrah’. Please. I am not commanding you. But let me test the sincerity of your love.”

I would look at you as leaders of the church. Of all people, you know the depth of this vision. You know the sincerity of this vision. Of all people in this church you live with it every day. But sometimes, sometimes staff begin to take things for granted. Sometimes with staff you allow a few little problems. Maybe your supervisor got upset with you because you were late for work two weeks ago and they got after you. You allow little human things to interfere with the sincerity of your love.

I looked at a deacon one time and we just finished pledges to take the church completely out of debt.  And I started with my board.  I asked each of them to write down an amount and pass it up to the head of the board table.  I said ‘It starts with us’. One man says ‘I’m not going to do it’.  And I said ‘I know where your heart is. Thank you’.  I said ‘I’m not commanding you. I just tested the sincerity of your love’. See if you look at peoples giving, you can see their future. Their money goes long before their body goes. Are we still here?

This is why Paul says ‘I am testing the sincerity of your love’. Now again, we don’t like this verse. We don’t even like this concept because it makes us very uncomfortable. But it is a true test. Our giving is the true test of the sincerity of our love. Not just for God, not just for our leaders, but for the entire work of God. Are we still here?

Another ‘generational seed’ – and then I’m gonna get into a special kind of a seed. Another generational seed was David at the very end of his life. And I talked with you a little about that the other day – this man of stewardship. At the end of his life, David and his generation was – I-I kind’a liked David’s generation . I always look at myself more like a David than a Solomon. David was the generation that broke the territory. The first man since Joshua to take new territory. The only man that ever pushed Israel back to the borders of the full promises. These weren’t the politest groups of people. Ok? These were the warriors. These were the men that shed blood. These were the men that sacrificed. These were the men that paid the price so that the next generation could enjoy blessing. At the end of their life, they showed again the sincerity of their love.

At the end of their life, at the end of their term as they turned it over to the next generation… David and the men that built the nation with him sowed what I would call a ‘generational seed’.  People talk about how Solomon built Israel and made it such a wealthy place.  Nah! I would not take any credit away from him but I would also say ‘Maybe don’t take any credit away from a ‘generational seed’. Because David and his men at the end of their lives, gave the largest offering in the history of Israel – broke the back of poverty off of that nation for a next generation – tested the sincerity of their love.

Another seed that’s fascinating to study is what I teach my people especially my people that are living hand to mouth – I call the ‘seed of daily provision’.  When our people just get born again and they are coming out of poverty, they’re selling vegetables at the side of the street or they’re selling little hamburgers off the little shop in front… We have one lady who started selling little hamburgers. She has never graduated from college. She has nothing. Just started selling little hamburgers . Two for one. Twenty five pesos – two for one. She is now selling three thousand hamburgers a day. Now she is becoming a wealthy woman. But she got hold of a little principle. – the ‘seed of daily provision’. This is based on the widow of Zaraphat. Every day she gave her first to God. Everybody say ‘Give first’. [Audience: Give first]

Some of you that are working and you doing daily wages, I would just sow a seed everyday first. And watch what God does for you. But the seed I want to talk to you today about – and it’s a wonderful seed. I call it the seed of wealth. Now people but stumble at the word but hold steady. Genesis chapter twenty six. Lets begin with verse one.

Now there was a famine in the land–besides the earlier famine of Abraham’s time–and Isaac went to Abimelech king of the Philistines in Gerar. The LORD appeared to Isaac and said, “Do not go down to Egypt; live in the land where I tell you to live. Stay in this land for a while, and I will be with you and will bless you. For to you and your descendants I will give all these lands and will confirm the oath I swore to your father Abraham. I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws.” So Isaac stayed in Gerar.

When the men of that place asked him about his wife, he said, “She is my sister,” because he was afraid to say, “She is my wife.” He thought, “The men of this place might kill me on account of Rebekah, because she is beautiful.” … When Isaac had been there a long time, Abimelech king of the Philistines looked down from a window and saw Isaac caressing his wife Rebekah. So Abimelech summoned Isaac and said, “She is really your wife! Why did you say, ‘She is my sister’?” Isaac answered him, “Because I thought I might lose my life on account of her.”

Then Abimelech said, “What is this you have done to us? One of the men might well have slept with your wife, and you would have brought guilt on us.” So Abimelech gave orders to all the people: “Anyone who molests this man or his wife shall surely be put to death.” Isaac planted crops in that land – and now this is interesting! This only happens now! He made the promise up here in verses one to three. Verse eight, he’s been there a loooong time. He’s been there what? He’s been there a long time during a famine. Now maybe you’ll begin to understand why later on we’ll read  ‘He became rich’. All of the wealth of Abraham was lost in this long time.

Isaac planted crops in that land and in that same year – now there’s no more ‘long time; – and in that same year reaped a hundredfold, because the LORD blessed him. The man became rich, and his wealth continued to grow until he became very wealthy. He had so many flocks and herds and servants that the Philistines envied him (welcome to life). So all the wells that his father’s servants had dug in the time of his father Abraham, the Philistines stopped up, filling them with earth.

Isn’t it amazing when people envy you they try to destroy your wealth. We’ll get into that in a little bit.  “Abimelech said to Isaac, “Move away from us; you have become too powerful for us.” So Isaac moved away from there and encamped in the Valley of Gerar and settled there. Isaac reopened the wells that had been dug in the time of his father Abraham, which the Philistines had stopped up after Abraham died, and he gave them the same names his father had given them. Isaac’s servants dug in the valley and discovered a well of fresh water there. But the herdsmen of Gerar quarreled with Isaac’s herdsmen and said, “The water is ours!” So he named the well Esek, because they disputed with him. Then they dug another well, but they quarreled over that one also; so he named it Sitnah. He moved on from there and dug another well, and no one quarreled over it. He named it Rehoboth, saying, “Now the LORD has given us room and we will flourish – we will flourish in the land.”

Let me walk you through very quickly ‘the seed of wealth’. In just a little while you’re going to be asked to show the sincerity of your love. You’re going to be asked to commit to sow a seed. But I also want you to understand that this is not just a test of the sincerity of your love. This is a determination of your future as I talked to you yesterday. When you sow a seed you are not throwing money away – you are sowing a seed. That’s why in my church I don’t even like to use the word ‘offering’ because in people’s religious minds it’s just throwing money away. And the unbeliever relative’s say ‘Why are you giving all that money to the church? You’re throwing money down a rat-hole.’

I tried to stop using the concept and the word ‘offering’ in my vocabulary and keep referring to it as  a seed so the people can understand that everything they are doing is working on their future. Who’s future? Now I want to talk to you about a seed of wealth for your future. In verses seven to ten we find a seed of wealth being sown. But the seed of wealth was only sowed – well lets go back up to verse three – a seed of wealth was only sown from a life of obedience. It was sown from a what? We already showed you earlier that Abraham obeyed. Look at verse three. God said

“Stay in this land for a while, and I will be with you and will bless you. For to you and your descendants I will give all these lands and will confirm the oath I swore to your father Abraham.”

Verse six “So Isaac stayed in Gerar”. You are not going to sow a seed and get blessing if you are not going to live an obedient life. Now there are Christians that want to come along and teach you that the law of the seed violates almost every other scriptural law – but it doesn’t work that way. The law of the seed, the law of sowing and reaping works in conjunction with all the other biblical principles.

Isaiah 1:19 If you are willing and obedient, you will eat the best from the land.

If you’re willing and what? [audience: obedient]. There has to be a principle of obedience in your life. Now when you look at Isaac, forgive me. He got as close as he could to disobeying and still obeyed. He was in the land of Gerar. In today’s world you’ call it the Gaza Strip. He was as close to Egypt as he could get and still be in the promised land. He was (forgive me), as close to disobedience as you could get – and still be in the Promised Land. But he was still in obedience!

Now I’ll show you later that that bought some more troubles for him. And you’ll find that when you get as close to disobedience as you can get and still not disobey, there’s always going to be people that will help try to push you over. So I’ve tried to live my life as far away from the edge as possible so that when people push I don’t fall over. We read you earlier how these guys were trying to push you out of the land. It always happens when you get as close as you can and still obey. So please, I am not recommending that you live in the land of Gaza – that you live in the land of Gerar. I’d recommend that you get as far – get up in Telaviv. Get as far as you can away from Egypt.

But here he was – and he understood a principle: “My father was blessed because He obeyed. I’m going to stay in this land. I’m going to obey. I may be a close to the edge as possible but I am going to obey.” Everybody say obey. [Audience: obey!]

So the first thing – if you’re going to sow a seed of wealth, take a good look at your life and make sure that there is no rebellion and there’s no disobedience in your life – that you are living where God wants you to live. [Puts hands to ears to hear audience’s response]

I can’t hear you. [Audience: Amen!]

Secondly – it is a seed that is sown from a family at peace. It is a seed that is sown from a family at peace. The bible teaches us that where you find strife you find every evil thing. Where you find strife you don’t blessing. Where you find strife you find every evil thing. Now I want you to notice he was not a family at peace. Now he did not have peace in his family for two reasons.

Number one – he had not peace in his family because he was living with a temporary attitude. And a temporary attitude messes up your relationships. “What do you mean ‘a temporary atiitude’?”

Nobody who has a permanent attitude of “This is where I stay”, walks around and lies about his relationship with his wife. Nobody said “This is my sister”, when it’s really your wife – if you think you’re going to have any long term relationship here. People only lie and exaggerate in temporary situations. How many people know what I am talking about?

I think that Isaac got focused on a few words: “Stay in this land for awhile”. I think he stayed in Gaza, as close to Egypt as possible because God – he focused on the second half of the sentence rather than the first half of the sentence. He focused on “for a while” and not “stay in the land”. And then he was afraid of these people. And because he was afraid of these people AND he had a temporary attitude, he lied about his wife. Now how many ladies are here? Will you raise your hands? How many married ladies in here – will you raise your hands?

How will you feel, in a strange country, in a strange place, and your husband said “Listen, I am not going to act like I married you”? In other words ladies, you’re on your own. “I’m not going to protect you. I am not going to act like a husband to you. Sweetheart, you’re on your own. You’re going to fend off all those advances on your own. I put no protection. I do not put my name on you.

Now let me ask you a question. What kind of relationship you think he had with her for a while?

I can just imagine coming home at night. “Hey sweetheart give me a kiss.” “Yeah! You want to own me now huh? When you’re out there in the market you don’t know me! When you come home, oh yeah!”

Do you think there was any peace in their house? Mm-mm! (Suggests no.)

No peace – I promise you. Single guys – you do not understand this yet. But as a married man, if you act like “She’s not mine”, that rips a woman’s insides apart. Makes her completely insecure. Makes her feekl completely afraid. So here he is. His temporary attitude – his fear of the people of the land and it has done nothing. These attitudes have done nothing but bring strife into his own family. Now you begin to understand verse eight – when Isaac had been there a long time.

I personally believe that in that long time, living in a famine, Abraham – all of Abraham’s wealth – that had been passed by inheritance to Isaac, was lost. Because in a few moments, I will show you in this way he became rich. He what? [Audience: became rich]

That means wealth started. That means something had been lost. That family strife delayed blessing in his life. God said “You stay in the land and I will bless you”. It was a long time before any blessing happened. Why? Strife! The temporary attitude! The fear that brought strife within his family. Only when that thing got fixed; only when the king exposed it – and I believe that was the grace of God that made it very uncomfortable for Isaac. But it was the grace of God that he got caught cos of his life. Finally the king said “That’s not your sister, that’s your wife!”

“Yeah it really is.”

“Why did you lie to us?”

“I was afraid.”

“NO BODY TOUCH HIM ANY MORE!”

And now, he’s very confident and secure. “Come hear sweetie, I’ll hold you in my arm.” Now it probably took him a few weeks probably even a few months to get her feeling good again. [Laughter] I don’t imagine that happened instantly. At least it wouldn’t with my wife. I would have some penalties to pay for awhile on that one. And every guy hear who is married understands exactly what I mean. I mean you don’t just don’t walk back up and “- Hi sweetie! Come here! You’re mine now!” “Rmm – when’s the next time you’re gonna walk away from me? Hmm?”

But when that peace was finally there, when the fear was no longer there, when he finally got over his fear of the people and his temporary attitude, then he planted the seed.

So when you ask “Why was there the delay?” – he had to get the strife out of his family. So if you’re going to sow a seed of wealth, you have to sow it from a life of obedience and you have to sow it from a family at peace. From a family at what? [Audience: Peace]

Thirdly, the seed that is sown is a reallocated asset. Verse twelve: “Isaac planted crops in that land”. Now again, Isaac had been raised his entire life to be a herdsmen. He was not a farmer. To plant crops, ties him to the land. He’s no longer thinking “God, how quick can I leave? You said “I only had to stay here for a while. God, how quick can I leave? You said “I only had to stay here for a while”. Now he’s finally putting down roots, literally. He’s planting a crop. He’s saying “My contemporary attitude is over”.

Now some of you: you can’t prosper because you won’t STICK some place. “When’s God gonna lead me out? When’s God gonna lead me out? When’s God gonna lead me out?”

I looked at one of my assistant pastors one time and he said “Pastor, why doesn’t God prosper me? All the other pastors on staff are prospering”. I said “Because you’re a TUMBLEWEED! You’re always talking about going someplace else!”. … … Are we still here?

I said “Why don’t you just understand God told you to be HERE? Settle in HERE!”. Are we still here? That one was free.

But in addition to getting over the temporary attitude, putting down roots so-to-speak, he had to do something he had never done before. The grain he would have had, he would have used to feed his family and to feed his flocks and herds. He had not been a farmer. It had never been in their family history, to be a farmer. They were herdsman. They constantly moved around. He had to do something he had never done before, (and that’s a whole ‘nother study), and he had to be willing to reallocate an asset that he had set aside for something else, literally for consumption. And instead of consuming an asset, sow an asset. Everybody say “instead of consuming… [Audience: Instead of consuming] … sow” [Audience: Sow].

Now forgive me but some of you here as you lead the way today, you’re going to  some seeds that are going to be a re-allocation of assets.

You’ve saved money to buy an I-Pad. Some of you students, you’ve been saving your money to buy an I-Pad. There’s none for sale anyway, I tried all day yesterday to buy one. I’ve been to 3 Apple stores. Don’t worry about it.

Some of you saved money to buy an I-Pad. You’re gonna sow it. Notice how quiet it just got in here? Some of you, you’ve been saving money for a new car. You’re gonna re-allocate that asset and sow it. Some of you families, you’ve been saving money to buy a house. You’re gonna take that money and sow it.

And it’s gonna take a step of faith for you because it’s something you’ve never done before. But a seed of wealth is not a seed that is just …. “Ahhh… doesn’t mean anything to me”. It’s a seed that is a re-allocation of a consumption.

Fourth thing. A seed of wealth is a seed that is going to bring a harvest of wealth and of envy. Verses twelve and thirteen: “Isaac planted crops in that year and in that same year reaped a hundredfold, because the Lord blessed him. The man became rich, and his wealth continued to grow until he became – very wealthy”. We’ve talked about that. Verse fourteen: “He had so many flocks and herds and servants that the Philistines – envied him. Now envy is a funny word.

Envy is a bad attitude that seeks to destroy what you have. How many of you would like God to bless you – and make you rich? [Sumrall puts up his hand with audience.] Wave your hand at me. Are you sure? [Long pause]

Are you sure? You know what I noticed in my life? When my wife and I were poor and struggling and we had nothing, nobody bothered us. Nobody bothered me! I laughed at my wife and said to her, “Sweetheart. When we drove ten year old cars and we wore old clothes and we had nothing and you know – we were struggling for everything? Nobody bothered us! Now that there’s a harvest season in our life, it is AMAZING!” And you want to look at people and go “You know, you sure didn’t think about me for twenty years when I had nothing. Now that we have a nice car and are buying a house…”, you know, went out and bought my wife a gold watch for our twenty-fifth anniversary, (I figured any woman who could put up with me for twenty five years ought a have a gold watch!).

So I saved my money and bought her a solid gold – gold bracelet, everything – ahhmm… what was it – Franck Muller Conquistador in rose gold, cos red’s her favourite colour. She wore that watch the first day! – Board member walked up – “Pastor SUMRALL! Is your wife wearing a gold watch?” I said “Yeah! I brought it for her twenty-fifth anniversary. Isn’t it beautiful?”

“Well I just don’t think it’s appropriate.”

I said, “Well she’s not your wife, so don’t worry about it”. [audience laughs and applauses]

Now you’re going to have to understand. You sit here now and go “Yeah! I’m going to sow a seed of wealth!” But you’re going to have to understand, with that harvest of riches that God will bless you with, there comes envy. And envy will not be a quiet thing. They will work to destroy what you have. Now for sake of time I won’t go through it all, but how many times have they plugged up the wells? Now when you plug up the wells, and a guy owns flocks and herds – what happens to the flocks and herds when there is no water? They DIE!

So they weren’t just trying to take something away from him, they were trying to destroy everything he had. Now you’re going to have to understand that some Christisn’s out there… [gets theatrically frustrated and places bible frustratingly on forehead – audience laughs] … that when they see you blessed…

[Sumrall preaches really loud] Now they don’t know the price you pay. They don’t know the obedience. They don’t know the work of having a family at peace. They don’t know the sacrifice of sowing and a reallocated asset. They don’t care about any of that because they are not willing to do any of that. But when you do it and God brings you your harvest, and it’s not just a harvest that comes one time, you CONTINUE to grow richer. See, a seed of wealth is a seed that keeps growing. It keeps what? [Audience: Growing!]

It’s not like a ‘one time harvest’, it’s like… you… you get a harvest of something that continues to expand and – (my goodness! That’s a whole ‘nother study that I don’t dare get into today!)… it’s an expanding harvest. It’s like getting a-a little thing of bread and you stick a bunch of yeast to it and it just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger! That’s the kind-a harvest you get when you sow this ‘seed of wealth’.

But there’s always somebody trying to pop your bread. There’s always somebody trying to destroy what you’ve got and you have to be willing to face that. Now the thing that they will do, is they will try to push you into the place of disobedience. They kept stopping up the wells, trying to make him move away from the land. Where is water when you are in Gaza? Where is the closest water? Egypt.

This is why you don’t want to get too close to [long pause] disobedience. Because when the time of envy happens, the pressure that will come against your life is a pressure that will destroy your prosperity and now you don’t want to move because of fear – now you want to move because of frustration.

“How do I continue to take care of everything God’s given me when these people are trying to destroy everything? I’m just gonna get out of here!”

And they try to push you in to the place of disobedience. And once you get into the place of disobedience, what happens to the blessings? They stop.

So I want to encourage you today – as you the seed, move to the place of obedience and move as fr into the place of obedience as possible. As far in as possible. Because when the envy comes – and it will come, I promise you – and I wish I can take that away from you and say “Oh no! No! No! It’ll never!” – it will  come! They will do everything they can to drive you away from the place God told you to be and bring blessing. They will drive you to the place of obed- uh, disobedience.

Obedience… family peace… sow the seed and understand verses twelve and thirteen – that his wealth continued to grow. It is going to be a seed – and I don’t know how to explain how it happens cos it happens in every person’s life differently. I can show you people in my church – people your pasters met: George (and Marie M?). They started with us years and years ago, long then we all walked and remembered. They never graduated college. And in the Philippines, if you haven’t graduated from college you’re basically going to be a [undecipherable] driver or a bus driver for the rest of your life, or a janitor. You have not future. They never graduated college.

They started a little export business making (I don’t know what you call them – knick-knacks – something that I don’t particularly have an affection for. [Audience: Laughs] Ok… It just takes up space and you have to hire a maid to dust them you know.) But they make knick-knacks and they make Christmas tree decorations – that kind of stuff. They just started making this little stuff that didn’t look like anything. And now today they supply Target, Maisees, Saxfifth Avenue, Bombay, (I think it’s called Combombay(?) or something like that). But the biggest companies in the United States – Walmart – they’re supplying them!

Companies come to them and say “Listen! We want to have it manufactured in China. But we want you to make the samples. So we’ll pay you ten times the normal price and you make an entire container of samples for us that we’ll use for quality control. I said “George, you need to go start a factory in China”. [Sumrall pulls a mopey face in response to own advice]

He’s brought a mountain now. He opened a restaurant for his son who is a professional chef and now they’re franchising it. Everything they touched just – it’s wealth that continues to grow. But I’ve watched that family.  I’ve watched the life of obedience they’ve lived. I’ve watched the family peace that they’ve had. And I’ve watched every time we stood up and said: “We’ve got a vision to fulfill”.

I’ve watched them give the biggest seed they’ve ever sown in their lives and said “Pastor, what a privilege to be able to give into God’s vision. I’ve watched other people that have forgotten how they got where they are today. Owch! They got where they are because that’s how they started. But after sowing into the vision for seven years or ten years… it becomes so… ho-humm! [Sumrall pulls droopy-mocking face. Long pause.] Are we still here?

And they say “Why doesn’t God bless me like he used to bless me?”. Because you’re not acting like you did when He blessed you. It starts with us. Would you stand with me please.

[Music set up on stage starts.] Did you learn something? [Pause.] Would you join your hands together? In just a moment, you’re going to have an opportunity to make a commitment. You’ve heard all the cliché words: “Let it be the biggest commitment that you’ve ever made in your life – yadi-yadi-yadi-ya.”

But you know what? They’re all true because they are all about your future. (Pause.) Look at the person next to you and say “They’re all true…” [Audience: They’re all true…] … Because they’re all about my future [Audience: Because they’re all about my future.] You know, just because you heard something a thousand times doesn’t make it untrue. Truth is truth! [Piano music starts in background. Ryan Smith is still setting up guitar and mic.]

I got up this morning. First thing I did was text my wife, “Kiss me baby”. Now don’t you tell anybody I said that [laughter] because my wife would be embarrassed, OK? But it’s ‘our little thing’. As many times as I text her “Kiss me baby!” it’ll make her smile, and I just think about kissing her. Just because I’ve said it ten thousand times doesn’t make it not true. Just because a truth has been said to you a hundred times doesn’t make it not true. Never get ho-hum with truth because that’s when you start going into a different direction. I want you to follow me in a simple prayer: –  I almost started talking in Tagalog. Look I’m sorry, I had to catch myself. Say this with me:

Father. [audience repeats]. In Jesus name [audience repeats] I recognize my place [audience repeats] as a leader [audience repeats] in this house [audience repeats]. I recognize the spiritual principles [audience repeats] and the laws that work [audience repeats]. I ask you today: [audience repeats] let the sincerity of my heart [audience repeats] be shown to you [audience repeats] that I am committed to your vision [audience repeats]. I am committed [audience repeats] to changing lives [audience repeats], that what we talk about here today, [audience repeats] is not just money [audience repeats] it’s something that’s going to change a life [audience repeats]. It’ s something that’s going to bring people to heaven [audience repeats], people I’ll never see until that day [audience repeats]. Let the sincerity of my heart [audience repeats] be proven today Lord [audience repeats] as I sow this seed [audience repeats] in Jesus name… [audience repeats] …” – David Sumrall, Combined Students & Staff Meeting Of C3 Colleges, http://www.c3churchglobal.com/video/dave-sumrall-teaching-at, C3 Oxford Falls, 16/6/2010.

NOTE: ALL SCREEN GRABS WERE TAKEN BEFORE THE 02/01/2012.

EDIT – 07/02/2012: More screen grabs added (07/02/2012). This was to quote Pat Antcliff and the C3 College Website.

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Where Is Jesus When You Need Him?

12 Thursday Jan 2012

Posted by Nailed Truth in C3 & Pringles Associations, C3 Teaching, Pringle's Behaviour, Pringle's Beliefs, Pringle's Business, Pringle's Issues/Events, Pringle's Laws, Pringle's Methods

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We read in the bible that Jesus is against those who turn God’s Temple/House into a place of business (emphasis mine).

“And He made a scourge of cords, and drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen; and He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables; and to those who were selling the doves He said, “Take these things away; stop making My Father’s house a place of business.” John 2:15-16

At 1:02 minutes in:

“We want you to invite as many of your business guys. We’d like to create this huge business – people’s network around the globe in C3 churches. So that we can work together because it’s a global market place.

And if we can work together – business people and guys in the ministry to acheive this great vision God has given us, that will be phenomenal.

So we’re going to have a lot of input on the marketplace ministry…” – Phil Pringle, Ps Phil Pringle: Courage (AM), http://www2.myc3church.net/videos/ps-phil-pringle-courage-am, Live Kuala Lumpur Promo (AM), 19/07/2011.

Here is a quote and video we captured of Pringle promoting his Kuala Lumpur Conference event. He is using sex to advertise his event as well as attracting wealthy business men (Christian or not) to attend his conference.

In the above video, Phil Pringle wants the rich in his movement to support his 2020 Vision that he says is a ‘great vision God has given us’. It is unbiblical to favour the rich so he can further his ‘vision’. (You will see that this vision of God is a lie later.)

Only those with money can attend this conference in the first place. Because of his behaviour and actions, the bible condemns Phil Pringle of:

1. carrying an attitude of personal favoritism to the rich for his event

2. being unloving 

3. sinning.

“My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. For if a man comes into your assembly with a gold ring and dressed in fine clothes, and there also comes in a poor man in dirty clothes, and you pay special attention to the one who is wearing the fine clothes, and say, “You sit here in a good place,” and you say to the poor man, “You stand over there, or sit down by my footstool,” have you not made distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil motives? Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him? But you have dishonored the poor man. Is it not the rich who oppress you and personally drag you into court? Do they not blaspheme the fair name by which you have been called?

If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.” – James 2:1-9

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